General Debate 11 August 2010

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Murray

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August 11, 2010 8:10am
Inventory2

That’s deep and meaningful Murray!
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August 11, 2010 8:25am
Murray

Its ultimate in fact.
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August 11, 2010 8:32am
Kris K

Murray 8:10 am,

42

When I was at uni (early 80s), and a lecturer asked a question to which no one had an answer, someone would always yell out “42” – always got a laugh, and a bemused smile from the lecturer.

If the answer is “42”, what was the question …
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August 11, 2010 8:35am
Pete George

It’s as good an answer as anything to “Why are we here?”
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August 11, 2010 8:39am
Kris K

Looks like the Chinese have been “cutting” extra product into our milk powder again …

China claims breast-making milk from NZ

Published: 10:26PM Tuesday August 10, 2010
Source: NZPA/ONE News

A Chinese infant formula company says its milk powder, facing claims it has caused infant girls to grow breasts, is imported from New Zealand.

Xinhua news agency reports that China’s Health Ministry has instructed food safety authorities in Hubei Province to investigate the claims about hormones in the milk powder.

Parents and doctors in Hubei were reported earlier this month voicing fears that milk powder, produced by Synutra International Inc, a dairy company set up in east China’s Shandong Province, had caused at least three infant girls to develop prematurely.

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August 11, 2010 8:40am
Manolo

How many years will Labour remain in Opposition? 42. 🙂
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August 11, 2010 8:41am
david

KrisK … and therein lies the single biggest reason why we need to be extremely cautious about allowing foreigners access to Brand NZ as exporters. If you check out Company registers throughout Asia you will find companies with names such as “New Zealand Milk Marketing Board” registered to locals. Frightening really.
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August 11, 2010 8:48am
hj

Three interlocking crises are striking Russia simultaneously: the highest recorded temperatures Russia has seen in 130 years of recordkeeping; the most widespread drought in more than three decades; and massive wildfires that have stretched across seven regions, including Moscow.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100809_drought_fire_and_grain_russia?utm_source=GWeekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=100810&utm_content=GIRtitle&elq=fe668d67d17a49aa91181f4374f30b86
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August 11, 2010 9:12am
Kris K

david 8:48 am,

KrisK … and therein lies the single biggest reason why we need to be extremely cautious about allowing foreigners access to Brand NZ as exporters. If you check out Company registers throughout Asia you will find companies with names such as “New Zealand Milk Marketing Board” registered to locals. Frightening really.

Absolutely agree, David.
Additionally, I have always felt uncomfortable about selling ‘base product’, such as milk powder, to the likes of China. This is the second example where “New Zealand” milk has been labelled as the offending culprit in a Chinese manufacturing related fiasco. And even if/when we are cleared of any involvement/responsibility in this latest issue, what damage will have been done to our dairy export industry in the mean time? – perception is everything.

I believe we should only provide finished product to the likes of China – they tell us what they want, we manufacture, package, and ship the final product only. This sort of thing is really going to bite us in the arse – and where will NZ be with a stuffed dairy industry? Last one out turn the lights off …
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August 11, 2010 9:14am
Kris K

hj 9:12 am,

Three interlocking crises are striking Russia simultaneously: the highest recorded temperatures Russia has seen in 130 years of recordkeeping; the most widespread drought in more than three decades; and massive wildfires that have stretched across seven regions, including Moscow.

They attribute the record floods and rains in Pakistan to the same weather system – something about high atmosphere jet streams over that region of the northern hemisphere. All pretty much unprecedented.
[I’m sure I have a Bible verse for that somewhere]
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August 11, 2010 9:23am
Inventory2

Kris K said

[I’m sure I have a Bible verse for that somewhere]

Kris – just for once, could you skip the Bible quote. I’m asking you as a brother in Christ 🙂
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August 11, 2010 9:35am
Pete George

I believe we should only provide finished product to the likes of China

Exports to China are substantially what keeps us afloat, if we only provided finished products we would hardly provide anything and would be in big(ger) financial trouble.

On disasters – 700 killed in Chinese landslides. 14 million affected by Pakistan floods.

So it ain’t so bad here.
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August 11, 2010 9:36am
Murray

What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
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August 11, 2010 9:41am
Grant Michael McKenna

Kris, I’ve got bible quotes! http://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/search/bible/mediatype/all/?sort=price-asc
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August 11, 2010 9:41am
Kris K

Inventory2 9:35 am,

Kris – just for once, could you skip the Bible quote. I’m asking you as a brother in Christ

Aw shucks, and I was just getting warmed up, IV2. 😉

Murray 9:41 am,

What do you get if you multiply six by nine?

42 + 12?
(The meaning of life PLUS the 12 disciples?) – Sorry IV2, couldn’t resist. 😉
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August 11, 2010 9:51am
F E Smith

How many roads must a man walk down?
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August 11, 2010 9:53am
Don the Kiwi

“What do you get if you multiply six by nine?”

42 ????? 🙁
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August 11, 2010 9:53am
malcolm

An excellent article on spoilt children etc, arising from the “Forum on the Family” event.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/4002178/Learn-to-say-no-to-spoilt-kids

A few good quotes:

– “The rights of children had increased to a point where parents no longer felt they could say no, felt guilty if they criticised a child rather than constantly lavishing praise, and pandered to what the child was interested in rather than his or her best interests.”

– “So now when modern parents say no they almost say it with a sense of apology in their voice.”

– “Spend more time with and less money on your children.”

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And now, reason number 276 why the Families Commission is a waste of money:

“Families commissioner Christine Rankin, who was at the forum, said she totally agreed with Sigman, …… Rankin said New Zealand parents had fallen into the trap of losing respect from their children but in their defence they often did not have the information to make good decisions.”

Lucky for us that we have the Families Commission to fill the information vacuum.
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August 11, 2010 9:58am
Pete George

Capitalism is as much at fault as socialism.

Kids are sucked in by the advertising, parents are sucked in by the kids, taking the easy route as they are too “busy” to spend more time.
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August 11, 2010 10:02am
malcolm

Don’t let them watch telly, Pete. It’s mostly rubbish, interspersed with advertising designed to turn your kids into in-house advertisements for Mcdonalds etc.

A older colleague of my wife used to bemoan that no matter what he tried, he just couldn’t get his teenage daughter to stop racking her credit card up to the limit. Poor man, he was just forced to pay bill each month. That was in the US. He had three teenage kids and each had a TV and computer in their rooms and him and his wife also had separate TV rooms. He was an actuary so not short of a bob. Poor man, apparently his kids hardly talked to him.
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August 11, 2010 10:15am
Redbaiter

“Capitalism is as much at fault as socialism.”

The commie moron begins another day of groundless assertions on Kiwiblog.
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August 11, 2010 10:19am
Kris K

malcolm 9:58 am

An excellent article on spoilt children etc arising from the “Forum on the Family” event.

Further to this – there was a very interesting interview on RadioNZ, Nine to Noon between Kathryn Ryan and Aric Sigman back on Tuesday 03-08-10:

Feature guest – Aric Sigman
Aric Sigman is a psychologist, writer, researcher and father of four who believes parents today are far too indulgent of their children, and have to regain control. (duration: 31′11″)

Link to mp3 file:
http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20100803-1005-Feature_guest_-_Aric_Sigman-048.mp3

It’s about 11 meg, so if you want to download (56k modem) then right mouse and “save target as”, otherwise it will just stream directly.
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August 11, 2010 10:21am
Murray

Don you have just unlocked the essence of the problem, if 42 was the ulitimate answer to the issue of live the universe and everything and the question turns out to be what do you get if you multiply 6 by 9 then what does that say about the universe?

It actually makes a lot of sense really.
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August 11, 2010 10:22am
jcuknz

Now for some good news …. over the past five years Portugal has developed her wind power resources to aconsiderable level without braeking the budget …. chiefly becuase she now longer needs to import the fuels wasted in generating electricity. She is also about to build a network of electric car charging outlets.
Portugal gives herself a clean make-over http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/science/earth/10portugal.html?_r=1&hpw
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August 11, 2010 10:25am
malcolm

Thanks Kris, I’ll have a listen later.

But what were you doing listening to National? Redbaiter will put you on his Red list.
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August 11, 2010 10:27am
Murray

Gathering intel on the enemy malcom.
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August 11, 2010 10:29am
Pete George

who believes parents today are far too indulgent of their children, and have to regain control.

Regain control of themselves or their kids? Probably both.

Haven’t you heard, kids deserve it, parents deserve it, and the world deserves it. The money-go-round treadmill. The temple is full of money lenders – is another hissy fit due?
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August 11, 2010 10:29am
malcolm

Or just the dulcet tones of Kathryn Ryan.
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August 11, 2010 10:32am
Kris K

malcolm 10:27 am,

Thanks Kris, I’ll have a listen later.

But what were you doing listening to National? Redbaiter will put you on his Red list.

The interviewee was in no way a liberal progressive – I bet many in our socialist halls of power had their skin crawling at what this guy had to say on child rearing. I’m sure Red would agree with most/all of what he said – I know I did.

Even RadioNZ get it right occassionally. What’s that saying, “Even a stopped clock is right twice a day”. 😉
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August 11, 2010 10:39am
Jibbering Gibbon

If 42 is the answer, are you thinking 42 or is the 42 thinking you?
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August 11, 2010 10:41am
malcolm

Jcuknz, that’s interesting article about Portugal. A few years back I did some work in the UK on the long-run energy cost for wave-power* generation, based on some real machines which were being tested. Subsequently the Portuguese were the first to sign a contract with one of the companies (Pelamis – neat machine, totally uneconomic) but it subsequently came unstuck. Lucky for the Portuguese.

*not to be confused with tidal power with is a different kettle of fish altogether.
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August 11, 2010 10:41am
RRM

Sick and tired of NZ welfarism?

In Germany, wild boar are ever-so-slightly radioactive due to contamination from chernobyl, so you if you shoot one you aren’t allowed to sell the meat.

However the taxpayer will pay you compensation for the fact that you aren’t allowed to sell the meat – this totalled almost £400,000 in 2009.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/08/07/germany-terrorised-by-swarms-of-radioactive-boar/
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August 11, 2010 10:45am
RightNow

Hissy fit coming… http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4011691/Giant-iceberg-could-pose-threat-to-oil-shipping

So a big chunk of ice breaks off a glacier in Greenland and “Already it is being used as a powerful emblem in the global warming debate”

“scientists say this is the biggest in the northern hemisphere since 1962.”

If this one was caused by man made global warming, what was the 1962 one caused by?

Of course the big fly in the ointment is that this type of event happens when glaciers GROW. It tells you the ice is thick, otherwise it would still just be little chunks breaking off. This event is contrary to CAGW theory.

Also in the article:
” In June the Arctic sea ice cover was at the lowest level for that month since records began in 1979, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.” – and they fail to mention that it made a recovery in July and is now tracking above 2005 levels. http://climateinsiders.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/icecover_2010.png
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August 11, 2010 10:49am
Murray

42 just “is” Jibbering.
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August 11, 2010 10:49am
malcolm

Even RadioNZ get it right occassionally.

What? Personally, I just like the cut of Kathryn Ryan’s jib.
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August 11, 2010 10:53am
Murray

Whoa dude family blog mentioning womens jibs is right out there on the edge regardless of how she trims it.
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August 11, 2010 10:56am
malcolm

Get your mind out of the gutter, Murray. She’s a fine woman.
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August 11, 2010 11:00am
Murray

I’m a bad person malcom, I’ve learned to live with it and the sooner everyone else does too the better for all. 🙂
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August 11, 2010 11:05am
malcolm

I think you’ve coined a new meaning for that idiom. If that one already existed then I’m sure it would be on Urban Dictionary. My honour is intact:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cut%20of%20your%20jib
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August 11, 2010 11:13am
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

Problems starting to bite home for National.

Pansy Wong’s husband and Jenny Shipley seem to have links to at least one of those not looking Persil clean in the Chinese Crafar farms bid (link below).

And looks like the SFO swoop on Allan Hubbard may have found nothing (link below).

The Chinese farms bid:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10665100

The Hubbard SFO swoop:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10665155
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August 11, 2010 11:17am
Don the Kiwi

42.

Deep is calling to deep by the roar of your cataracts,
all your waves and breakers have rolled over me. v.7 😉
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August 11, 2010 11:24am
RightNow

Another (large) nail in the CAGW coffin. The empirical evidence contradicts the models (i.e. what the alarmists predicted would happen is not happening).

The model trends are out by up to 400% for temps in the lower and mid troposphere. To put that in simpler terms, when the alarmists predict 6 deg C temp rises by 2100 the reality is going to be closer to 1.5 deg C.

Graph here:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/hot-spot/mckitrick-models-observations-rss-msu-uah-radiosondes-flat.jpg

Article (including how the alarmists tried to suppress the information) here:
http://climateaudit.org/2010/08/09/mckitrick-et-al-2010-accepted-by-atmos-sci-lett/#more-11745
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August 11, 2010 2:02pm
lastmanstanding

Looks like the Hubbard Affair was a case of premature ejaculation. As I posted at the time I had dealings with the old boy in the early to mid 90s and found him a gentleman and very straight forward to deal with.

At the time I and others felt the regulators Sec Com SFO were struggling to find a target given they had either lost cases in the case of the SFO or not even bothered to take up cases in the case of Dipstick at Sec Com.

Word on the street was that Simon P was getting very angry as some of us where pointing this out.

So with reminises of the Alan Thomas Affair the word went out to find a target and terminate with extreme prejudice.

After the Finance Company shambles which are still ongoing Note Fran asking why Allied hasnt been placed in Stat Management given it was a half dead carcass evenr before it shallowed the totally dead Hanover.

You gotta laugh at how the legislators and regulators cant get the baddies no matter how the bad the baddies are yet they went after Ole Alan H with the full force all guns blazing.

Dipsticks.
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August 11, 2010 2:31pm
Repton

The model trends are out by up to 400% for temps in the lower and mid troposphere. To put that in simpler terms, when the alarmists predict 6 deg C temp rises by 2100 the reality is going to be closer to 1.5 deg C.

I may have missed something, but according to the IPCC situation “A1” (which is probably where we are) predicts a rise of between 1.4 and 6.4 degrees by 2100. 1.5 is obviously within this range, so what was your point again?
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August 11, 2010 3:01pm
Jimbob

What do you call a person who sits in his glass office all day gazing at computer screens in the morning, looking out the window in the afternoon and then makes up a theory s/he has on where the economy is going. Earns hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from a salary and the only clothes they have is a suit. Yes an “economist”. The garbage that these people peddle is a disgrace. And as for the guy at the Reserve Bank, well I am sure he is from another planet. The USA is about to implode from a mountain of debt, and the Fed can not stop it as the economists’ believe. So what do economists say? Yes raise interest rates because everything is fine in NZ, you see. Duh.
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August 11, 2010 4:49pm
RightNow

Repton – rewrite that prediction range to between 0.35 and 1.6 degrees by 2100 and you’ll see my point.
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August 11, 2010 5:14pm
JiveKitty

Something interesting for you, Kris K: http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/08/09/muslims-against-terrorism/
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August 11, 2010 5:38pm
JiveKitty

@Jimbob: If you’re referring to the RBNZ, their mandate is for inflation targeting. That is all.
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August 11, 2010 5:41pm
Kris K

JiveKitty 5:38 pm,

Something interesting for you, Kris K: http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/08/09/muslims-against-terrorism/

Thanks, Jive.
The author of the article seems to share many of my same concerns. Such as the majority of Muslims, by their silence, give tacit approval to Islamic terrorism.
And while it is encouraging that Muslim clerics, like Dr Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, condemn Islamic terrorism, he seems to be a lone voice in the wilderness.
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August 11, 2010 6:16pm
Pete George

by their silence, give tacit approval

Based on that most people must give “tacit approval” to most crappy things. Ridiculous.
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August 11, 2010 7:00pm
Tauhei Notts

Lastmanstanding at 2.31 p.m.
I have had business dealings in the past with Allan Hubbard and Eric Watson.
And the wrong one of those two is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office.
It defies belief.
I just get the impression that Figjam will come out of all of this smelling like excrement, unless he gets a regiment of highly paid public relations bullshitters to come to his assistance.
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