General Debate 5 July 2010

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krazykiwi

..eh..?..

[A tribute 1st comment]
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July 5, 2010 8:05am
Inventory2

@ krazykiwi

That’s not nice. If you’re going to mock Poor Phil, get it right – it’s

..eh?..
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July 5, 2010 8:09am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Both of you need slapping!
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July 5, 2010 8:13am
krazykiwi

@IV2 – Noted!

@SHGT – Not while I have my strength.

Meanwhile, I believe Mankind Causes Global Warming! 😀
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July 5, 2010 8:17am
Lee C

Am I in a minority of one? Am I the only one who thinks the ETS (Eternal Taxation Scam)was a crock of shit?
Where are the people? Has everyone on the so-called ‘right’ of the blogosphere become a cheerleader for John Key and National? Pathetic. Like sheep. line up for increased fuel, food and goods costs on top of the ACC and rise in GST simply on the grounda that we are still releived that he is not Helen Clark? I put this rort up there with the EFA. A similar rammed process which sacrificed peoples’ rights on the altar of ‘higher political principle’ which turned out to be no such thing. In fact it turned out to be rotten to the core.
thnxLee – MWT http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2010/07/eternal-taxation-scam-ets.html
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July 5, 2010 8:26am
Brian Smaller

Lee C – I agree with you.
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July 5, 2010 8:27am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

I also agree with you Lee C. National, who previously had my vote, have now lost my support as of July 1st. Nice work John / Nick.
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July 5, 2010 8:31am
dad4justice

This right blogosphere blogger is appalled that Nutional has made ETS another burden for the kiwi public. I WILL NEVER VOTE for you gutless, wimpish, lying sods EVER AGAIN !!! Stuff you Key. You are a disgrace and a kiwi sell out.
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July 5, 2010 8:36am
Colonel Masters

@Lee C

Add another one to the list! I’ve told my local list MP that I won’t be renewing party membership nor voting National in the next election.

Trouble is: what’s the alternative? ACT will just see them returned. At this rate I am worried I will end up voting Winston!
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July 5, 2010 8:41am
andrei

I think Lee that the right is just gobsmacked at this outright theft and Nationals betrayal of everything we believe in out of short sighted cynical self interest.

An appalling government. End of story.
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July 5, 2010 8:42am
krazykiwi

A few thoughts about the ETS.

1. Key has used his majority, and left’s very successful demonisation of ACT to his advantage. He knows only the most vocal ETS objectors are likely move into the arms of the coalition partner ACT, so no net loss.

2. Every good scam has several layers of plausibility. This one has quite a few: The threat of economic isolation of we don’t. ETS credits for coalition supporters. Promoting and pinging our eco-guilt. Kudos for Key & Smith in the global UN trough. The one I want to know about is any pecuniary advantage for Key and Smith.

3. The history of the most ardent political supporters of emissions-type trading shows there’s money to be made for the smart. Key is good at making a buck. And Smith is, as of 4 weeks ago, off the hook in terms of a $14.7m defamation claim brought by a timber company. Does anyone else believe these guys want the ETS because they care about the planet? Anyone?

National have lost my vote. Perhaps more disturbingly, this episode underscores for me the complete failure of democracy in our country. When successive governments can do whatever they like, and to hell with the people who placed them in office then it’s time for a new system, or time to leave.. or time to ignore it and tune in to the lotto draw.
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July 5, 2010 8:53am
Inventory2

Colonel Masters nails it – what’s the alternative? I can’t bring myself to vote for Act. Labour, the Progressives, the Greens and NZ First all voted for Labour’s version of the ETS, which was far more punitive that National’s version. The Maori Party or Peter Dunne – ahhhhh; no!

And anyone wishing to jump ship from National should think very carefully before supporting Winston Peters. It was NZ First’s votes which enabled Labour’s ETS to pass in the days leading up to the 2008 election. Winston will doubtless want to rewrite history yet again, but this is one issue on which he must not be allowed to gain traction.
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July 5, 2010 8:58am
krazykiwi

@IV2 – Hmmm, are you a victim of the left’s demonisation of ACT? Have you looked at ACT’s 20-Point Plan. Which of these actions points would be bad for NZ in your opinion? I like the thinking in here, and while ACT is far from perfect the type of country I want for my kids and grandkids is looking less and less likely under the RGB Socialists [That’s Red Green Blue Socialists!]

As for Winston, has he paid back the $158,000 he stole from us?
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July 5, 2010 9:06am
mattyroo

IV2, What is so wrong with ACT that you cannot bring yourself to vote for them?

I suspect that you have fallen into the Left footed-Lesbian-Liberal’s trap with the demonisation of ACT.
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July 5, 2010 9:12am
krazykiwi

@mattyroo – I think you’ll find that liberal lesbians have hooves rather than feet 🙂
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July 5, 2010 9:14am
kaya

No apologies for posting this again. For anyone who hasn’t read this, here is the John Key I voted for:

“I want to start off with a broad-ranging discussion, if I may, around the Kyoto Protocol and the absolutely nonsensical road that this Government is taking New Zealand down. I know we have a Prime Minister who is very confident, and all the rest of it, but maybe she would like to step out of her office on the 9th floor and realise which planet she is on. She is on the same planet, she may be surprised to learn, as India, China—And Mugabe, yes—and a lot of other countries out there that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol. And why would they not, because they have absolutely no requirements on them, whatsoever. Yet here we are down in New Zealand, a very little country with about 0.2 percent of the world’s emissions, putting a self-imposed straitjacket on our businesses, and waving a huge flag that says: “Foreign investment, don’t come anywhere near us. Australia is over there—the West Island. Go over there to pour your dollars in.” To the Chinese we are saying: “Come in and buy as much coal as you like from our West Coast. We’ll sell it to you and you can burn it without a carbon charge—but, by the way, to those back here in Aotearoa New Zealand we will be slapping on a carbon charge and you won’t be able to operate.”

This is a complete and utter hoax, if I may say so. The impact of the Kyoto Protocol, even if one believes in global warming—and I am somewhat suspicious of it—is that we will see billions and billions of dollars poured into fixing something that we are not even sure is a problem.

Let us have a look at the Government’s response to the Kyoto Protocol. Our friends in Australia said they do not want a bar of it. They do not want to know anything about it; neither do our friends in America. I saw George W Bush, the President of the United States of America…….. saying that America would not be ratifying the Kyoto Protocol, because it is not good for jobs and it is not good for the American economy. I understood that. I got it. Then I saw John Howard, the Prime Minister of Australia, addressing the Australian people and saying the same thing—that it is not good for jobs and it is not good for the economy. So when I turned to New Zealand TV and found out that we not only would be ratifying the Kyoto Protocol but in fact would be the first country in the world—that is right—to be blazing a trail to put on a carbon tax, I was somewhat astounded……..

What are we doing to the consumers and businesses of New Zealand? We are putting a tax on them…..
So my prediction is that that will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. The public are sick and tired of paying additional taxes for all sorts of crazy ideas.”

Key’s astounding new take on this makes Paul of Damacus look like a skeptic.
As far as I know, no one in the media has asked and gotten an answer to a very simple question: “Mr Key, what have you read or heard that has caused such a dramatic change of heart and would you kindly tell the rest of us what it is?”

It makes me want to put my foil hat on because the only explanation that makes sense is that for some reason, an external power has us by the nuts and is directing much of our policy? This is truly baffling.
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July 5, 2010 9:27am
Inventory2

@ krazykiwi – thanks for that link. There’s some interesting stuff there, some of which the National/Act/MP government has already started to implement. What troubles me with Act though is the depth of its party list. If David Garret is the best Act can serve up at #5, what talent lurks lower on the list? And who will be their finance spokesperson going forward, given that Sir Roger Douglas is even older than Jim Anderton, and will be almost 74 when the country goes to the polls next year? To all intents and purposes, Act is Douglas and Douglas is Act. Is there a succession plan.
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July 5, 2010 9:35am
mawm

Mmmmm….The air has a particuarly clean and fragrant smell this morning!

I agree with the majority of comments above re the ETS scam………Key and Smith have lost my vote! However Act will only get it once it has got rid of Douglas.
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July 5, 2010 9:37am
Michaels

D4J, I’m with you however what are the alternatives?
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July 5, 2010 9:38am
Yvette

“Am I in a minority of one? Am I the only one who thinks the ETS (Eternal Taxation Scam)was a crock of shit?”

I have endeavoured to understand the Government’s ETS.
I have communicated with the Minister’s Office {Hon Dr Nick Smith] asking to inform me of an official website which will explain the New Zealand Emissions trading System.
A reply said Please find the information you are looking for here:
http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/emissions-trading-scheme/

So, regarding electricity –
I understand the trading ‘currency’ – NZUs – must be purchased from the Government.

“Who are the participants in the scheme for the energy sector?
Participants are those who import or mine coal and import or mine natural gas, plus petrol refineries and stationary energy producers who use geothermal fluid, used oil, waste oil, used tyres , waste or biofuels for electricity generation or industrial heat.”

So those who supply fuels [coal, gas, oil, and waste oil and tyres, geothermal fluid, waste or biofuels] for electricity generation purchase NZUs.
The NZUs for the period 1 July 2010 to 31 December 2010 are due by 31 May 2011 –

[“When will energy sector participants have to start surrendering NZUs?
The energy sector has obligations to surrender NZUs from 1 July 2010. The first due date they must surrender NZUs by is 31 May 2011 for the period 1 July 2010 to 31 December 2010.”]

My understanding of this, then, is that those who supply the fuels to the generators pay the NZUs.
They will therefore charge a higher price for their fuels to the generators. Who will then charge the power users – the public.

So this is a chain recovery of prices for which Mercury Energy has announced a 3.3% price increase from the day of the scheme’s inception. However, Mercury Energy is the retail arm of Mighty River Power, which generates more than 90 per cent of its power from renewable sources.
So the 3.3% increase is for the 10% of Mercury power generated from fossil fuels used since July 1 2010.

How have they calculated this increase? And does the ‘very persuasive Gerry Brownlee have the answer?
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July 5, 2010 9:41am
backster

The stupid scam subsidises forestors to plant and grow trees and then taxes them to harvest them which will make the end product uneconomic especially in competition of overseas producers not burdened with such stupidity.Sheep and Cattle farmers will be uneconomic from the start and will stop producing food and instead plant wood for the subsidy which they will receive as long as they don’t harvest it.
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July 5, 2010 9:44am
Pete George

What troubles me with Act though is the depth of its party list. If David Garret is the best Act can serve up at #5, what talent lurks lower on the list? And who will be their finance spokesperson going forward, given that Sir Roger Douglas is even older than Jim Anderton…

A major challenge for Act. Having a nice 20 point plan that most people can agree with is fine when you are at best a minority part of government. Having enough candidates capable of doing the Plan justice if they actually got in to a position of major power without stuffing other things up is a pertinent question.
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July 5, 2010 9:46am
bhudson

@Krazy – “When successive governments can do whatever they like, and to hell with the people who placed them in office then it’s time for a new system”

Our governments have always been like that. We elect 3 year dictatorships. Pray we never give them 4 years at a time.

Also a good reason not to return to FPP. MMP isn’t perfect by any stretch, but I would rather have some ameliorating factors on the government of the day than a return to a two party dictatorial system. (Incidentally I can’t see that National ETS move was a sop to the MP – we would have been on the receiving end of that thieving nonsense if they had been elected under FPP.)

As for ACT. I don’t vote for them because it is alway a potential waste. How often have they been reliant on Epsom to get any representation at all?

As for Douglas, he is the reason I might vote for ACT. Do you people not remember ’84 – ’87? Painful? Sure. But he single handedly saved our country from bankruptcy by making us grow up economically and stand on our own two feet. And a pragmatist.
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July 5, 2010 9:50am
andrei

Having enough candidates capable of doing the Plan justice if they actually got in to a position of major power without stuffing other things up is a pertinent question.

Oh my – there is a depth of talent in the current current Parliament?

The ETS provides a classic example of how worthless our MPS are and of how they represent themselves and their cronies at the expense of us and our children.
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July 5, 2010 9:55am
voice of reason

This is ridiculous – and proof positive that journos in this country are stupid.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10656392
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July 5, 2010 10:11am
Inventory2

From the Only in America file:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/land-of-free.html
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July 5, 2010 10:12am
Lee C

Great response people – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/ if you want to continue with this discussion about the Eternal Taxation Scam. I’m going to be running with this one all the day to the election. My prediction on this is that National’s majority in the house will be severely impacted – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2010/07/goff-for-prime-minister.html – This has given Goff the lifeline he much needed.
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July 5, 2010 10:21am
OTGO

I first voted ACT when I heard Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble speak at an AKL town hall meeting soon after ACT was formed. They were very convincing and seemed to me to be years ahead in their social and economic thinking. I came away thinking that ACT would be the party that would keep National from making a left turn, which they have. So from that point of view ACT have been a failure. The unionised media have destroyed Hide so whats left? Stephen Franks maybe?
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July 5, 2010 10:25am
Pete George

Oh my – there is a depth of talent in the current current Parliament?

That’s another issue. But if you look at some from Act’s fantasy- to jump to enough seats in one election – that is a huge risk that the electorate is unlikely to take.

I’m all for a stronger Act (and the other parties) but 5 seat increases per election seem enough – IF they can come up with a decent list and IF they can get a balance of electorate seats which seems to be beyond them at the moment.
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July 5, 2010 10:27am
Manolo

The anti-American president continues to slip in the polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
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July 5, 2010 10:34am
Manolo

“Trouble is: what’s the alternative? ACT will just see them returned. At this rate I am worried I will end up voting Winston!”

You can alwas vote Libertarianz. 🙂
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July 5, 2010 10:37am
Redbaiter

Yesteday I followed a blog link and ended up in dinosaur media territory at an article by “Herald Business and Media” writer John Drinnan. The page was the usual left wing drivel you find at such places, that piss off left wing slanted crap posing as objective comment, and that you read and then forget instantly seeing it is about as useful today as cave painting instructions.

In fact its always so nowhere, the only time it ever manages to create an impression is when it pisses you off more than usual, as this piece did.

Here was Joe Atkinson complaining that mainstream media audiences were falling off. The media is “heading to hell in a handbasket” Joe reckons. He’s organising a lecture series aimed at this problem, but he doesn’t need any input from media companies.

“Media companies only care about the bottom-line profit … Good journalism is an externality to the market – why would we consult them?” declares Joe. He said that among the lectures would be a discussion about other options for funding journalism. “The solution to the problem is not in a market system probably – or at least not in an unregulated market system like we have at the moment.”

Now Mr. Drinnan just printed all this dross and let it stand. I don’t know if he ever thought about challenging Joe on this worthless commie shit. More likely he couldn’t see past this perspective himself.

Joe needs to explain just how FOX news is going to hell in a hand basket. Its market share increases to grow, and its so successful there’s soon going to be a Canadian version. Same business model. Because its a model that works.

The business model in NZ doesn’t work because its designed by elitist liberals/ progressives who insist on injecting their political viewpoints into every damn story article or opinion piece. At the expense of all other viewpoints, and just like John Drinnan has done in the article that is the subject of this rant.

The man in the street doesn’t need it. As you seem not to understand this Joe and John- this is your fucking market. If you constantly write stuff that pisses off the man in the street, naturally the business model will fail.

The man in the street is completely turned off by having liberal/ Progressive politics (disguised as objective reporting) continually shoved down his throat. That’s your problem, and its an analysis supported by the fact that FOX televison in the US is not suffering any kind of downturn but in fact is gathering viewers at an accelerating rate.

FOX’s success proves Joe Atkinson’s viewpoint wrong. Joe’s angle is nothing but a pathetic attempt to get government grants to continue to shove political views on people THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR.

Your article pissed me off Mr. Drinnan. I don’t buy the Herald because almost every article pisses me off in the same way. I don’t watch TV One or TV Three for the same reason. I don’t spend a dollar advertising either, because I want you cheating bastards to go broke.

The longer you push this bullshit that you’re objective, while you continually spin every story to the left, the more people you’re going to piss off. You want to target your business model at sundry left wing academics, cronyist corrupt politicians and shiny arsed overpaid bureaucrats, then do it. Just don’t come whining to the taxpayer for support because you’re too fucking stupid and politically biased to remedy a defect that sticks out like dogs balls to everyone else.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655864&pnum=0
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July 5, 2010 10:42am
Inventory2

@ Lee – why would people jump back to Goff and Labour? Labour rushed through an Emissions Trading Scheme in the last days of the last Parliament, and under urgency. Labour’s plan would have been far more punitive than the watered-down version that National passed, which I still oppose. David Parker, Charles Chauvel, Sue Moroney and Ruth Dyson spoke for the then-government in the Third Reading debate; all are still members of Labour’s caucus. Jeanette Fitzsimons and Peter Brown (NZ First) also sopke in favour. Here’s how the vote went

A party vote was called for on the question, That the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Bill and the Electricity (Renewable Preference) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.
Ayes 63 New Zealand Labour 49; New Zealand First 7; Green Party 6; Progressive 1.
Noes 57 New Zealand National 47; Māori Party 4; United Future 2; ACT New Zealand 2; Independents: Copeland, Field.

IMHO Labour has no mandate to benefit from any support that National bleeds over this. This piece from Brian Fallow at the time outlines the likely increases from Labour’s scheme, but in summary they were around an 8% rise in the price of electricity and around a 6% price rise for fuel.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10531184&pnum=0
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July 5, 2010 10:52am
Pete George

Joe needs to explain just how FOX news is going to hell in a hand basket.

Fox cater successfully for a large market. That doesn’t mean they providing good news coverage. That was one of the points made in that article, the audience is moving away from good news/journalism and towards entertainment and titillation.

Fox’s business success suggests they are at least as good as at that as anyone else.
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July 5, 2010 11:03am
bhudson

“The solution to the problem is not in a market system probably – or at least not in an unregulated market system like we have at the moment.” [Joe Atkinson]

Have to agree with Redbaiter here. An “unregulated market system” here means state controlled media and state controlled messaging. It’s bad enough that the NZ MSM is full of left wing, hang wringing, ‘sack cloth and ashes’ types under the current commercial model. To have it regulated that they are only type allowed would be the end of any genuine ‘news’ at all.

A lifetime of singing Labour/Green Party songs. Would we have to dress like Kim Jong Il also?
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July 5, 2010 11:10am
Fletch

I also, don’t know who I would vote for in an election. I have always voted National but I don’t think I can anymore. And Labour is the socialist / communist arm; so too, the Greens. Not sure I know too much about ACT, but I didn’t like the Super City.
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July 5, 2010 11:12am
Redbaiter

“the audience is moving away from good news/journalism and towards entertainment and titillation.”

Nope, the audience is moving away from left wing slanted propaganda presented as news. As usual Mr. George, you dully present the left wing interpretation which is what was challenged. You’re not adding anything to the argument by merely repeating that assertion.

As usual Mr. George you try and argue that you’re smart because you’re a communist, and everybody else is dumb because they’re not. Exactly the mindset that is causing the mainstream media to loose audience. FOX do not present that arrogance. That is why people watch them and not ABC, MSNBC, or CNN.
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July 5, 2010 11:21am
bhudson

Personally I think “the audience is moving away from good news/journalism and towards entertainment and titillation” is more due to left leaning elements – keep the masses subdued with mindless entertainment so that they are not awake to what is really happening.

Certainly in NZ the rise of ‘reality’ television occurred under the left’s watch.

“[Reality TV] is the opiate of the masses”
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July 5, 2010 11:29am
Redbaiter

The essence of course is that the media is controlled by left wing political agents rather than honest up front media people. If you look at the page I referenced above, almost everybody on it apart from Leighton Smith (a very rare reference indeed) is an extreme leftist- From Paul Holmes to Carol Herschfeld to John Campbell to Ian Fraser, and of course it contains the usual pejorative reference to Rupert Murdoch. Leftists are ruining the media and not only because they are politically biased but also because they have no business sense.
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July 5, 2010 11:29am
Redbaiter

FOX News does not have reality shows or titallation. It leads its competitors (MSNBC etc) by sometimes as much as four to one in audience share.
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July 5, 2010 11:31am
Redbaiter

” I also, don’t know who I would vote for in an election. ”

Sounds like this country is crying out for a new CONSERVATIVE party.
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July 5, 2010 11:32am
Sonny Blount

Fox cater successfully for a large market. That doesn’t mean they providing good news coverage. That was one of the points made in that article, the audience is moving away from good news/journalism and towards entertainment and titillation.

Fox’s business success suggests they are at least as good as at that as anyone else.

Do you actually watch Fox news Pete or do you just take as fact other peoples opinions (as with climate change).

Watch Special Report at 8pm and tell me who in New Zealand we have that comes close to Charles Krauthammer?
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July 5, 2010 11:52am
Pete George

I watch Fox from time to time, more than any of the other international news channels. I sometimes agree with Krauthammer – he also has columns in Washington Post.

They can be good for some news coverage, often my preference.
Some of their commentators can be good – and some a bit out there.
Some of their shows are aimed at political titillation for nuts.
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July 5, 2010 11:59am
Redbaiter

There is a bombshell waiting to explode in US politics media, and its the list of four hundred mainsteam media “journalists” who are on the Democrat party talking points list.

Yes folks. Here is the definitive proof that as Redbaiter and so many others have been claiming for years, the mainstream media is controlled by the Democrats.

This is a list that goes out to 400 agents and outlines the media reaction required and 400 liars and cheats and subversive scum go along with whatever plan the democrats have to pervert the truth.

——————————-

I’ve had $100,000 burning in my pocket for the last three months and I’d really like to spend it on a worthy cause. So how about this: in the interests of journalistic transparency, and to offer the American public a unique insight in the workings of the Democrat-Media Complex, I’m offering $100,000 for the full “JournoList” archive, source fully protected. Now there’s an offer somebody can’t refuse.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2546950/posts
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July 5, 2010 12:04pm
Sonny Blount

Some of their shows cater for nuts.

You mean one of their shows.

Fox is not just Glenn Beck . The same as TVNZ is not just Te Karare, or TV2 is not just Creflo Dollar.

He has only been there for a little over a year so has not been a key part of their success over the last 15 years. While I find him tiring and don’t think he’ll last, some of his many shots hit and he has pushed several major stories that have had national impact.
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July 5, 2010 12:07pm
Redbaiter

“Some of their shows are aimed at political titillation for nuts.”

OK. Let’s argue this typical disgraceful and cowardly and dishonest smear. Made so casually by one of Kiwiblog’s chief cowards and smearers on the left. Here’s your big chance Mr. George. Easy to make a slimy gutless assertion like that. Let’s see you back it up with some rational argument.

For a start off, lets have the name of the shows, and then let’s have an example of the “nuts”, and then we can perhaps debate whether your claim is fair comment or just another cowardly slur.
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July 5, 2010 12:08pm
Sonny Blount

Why we all need Fox News:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RedEyeRecap#p/search/1/6IElE7dflRM

And why Fox needs to bring Red Eye back in Australasia
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July 5, 2010 12:18pm
Sonny Blount

Fox News has never had to retract any fact they have presented since they began.
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July 5, 2010 12:23pm
Pete George

Fox is careful to separate news from opinion.

It’s not just Glenn Beck. Hannity. Some of their commenters are a bit out there. I like quite O’Reilly but he takes some things to far.

Some good examples from FoxNews right now:

Steele Scrambles to Contain Fallout From War Remark as GOP Criticism Mounts
“…claiming Afghanistan is a “war of Obama’s choosing,” which the United States never really “wanted to engage in.”

Conservative commentators and GOP lawmakers were virtually united in condemning the party chairman for the remarks”

Democratic Party Targets GOP Gaffes Over Wall Street, ‘Big Oil’
The Democratic Party is trying to get political mileage out of two recent Republican gaffes, releasing a new TV ad hammering House Minority Leader John Boehner and Texas Rep. Joe Barton for allegedly sticking up for Wall Street and “Big Oil.”

Republican Sen. Jim DeMint on Sunday chided his South Carolina colleague Lindsey Graham for describing the Tea Party movement as a directionless fad that is ultimately “unsustainable.”

– examples showing that Fox have coverage critical of the GOP
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July 5, 2010 12:58pm
Redbaiter

The coward as usual fails to front up. Proving that all Pete George is here for is to engage in cowardly smears of anything or anybody that doesn’t fit into his extreme left political paradigm.
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July 5, 2010 1:00pm
Pete George

I’ve already name some of the shows, and an example of the nuts shows himself.
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July 5, 2010 1:03pm
Redbaiter

You’re just a spineless coward Pete. All you have ever been, all you ever will be, and the proof is in your constant failure to even try and follow up your assertions with any rational argument. You’re only here to supply a constant stream of cowardly smears against anyone who doesn’t buy into your sick collectivist nightmare.
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July 5, 2010 1:07pm
Pete George

Can you follow up any of your assertions with any proof or rational argument? Surprise us. Or is that frowned on in your warfare tactics handbook?
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July 5, 2010 1:22pm
Redbaiter

Like I’m going to waste any more time on you you disgusting wanker.
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July 5, 2010 1:32pm
MikeNZ

krazykiwi (5843) Says:
July 5th, 2010 at 8:53 am

ACT is a counterpoint to National/labourlite.
If they had had the seats JK would never have continued with the ETS.
that’s why I recommend ACT as your party vote.
It is the ONLY option if you want National to move more right towards the center.
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July 5, 2010 1:32pm
Pete George

That’s what you keep saying RB. You assert many things – rarely with proof or rational argument. I don’t mind if you don’t waste any more time on me. Enjoy your retirement. And I’ll keep on enjoying some of Fox.
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July 5, 2010 1:49pm
John Boscawen

Yvette your comments at 9.41 regarding Mercury Energy sum up the situation perfectly.

The ETS is designed to increase electricity prices and to create windfall profits for all those who generate electricity from renewable sources.

Mighty River Power generates 90% of its electricity from hydro stations on the Waikato River and geothermal in the mid North Island. Its 100% owned subsidiary Mercury Energy has just increased electricity prices by 3.3%.

In its letter of notification, Mercury put its price rice down solely to the ETS and said it was based on the fact that the electricity industry ‘as a whole’ would need to account and pay for its submissions.

In effect, Mercury is saying while we will have little additional cost, our competitors will and because they will be forced to put up their prices, we will be able to do the same and make windfall profits. This is the reference to costs incurred by the industry ‘as a whole’.

While the National Party have ruled out price gouging they won’t be rulling out price increases of 5% or less. That’s exactly what the ETS is designed to provide!
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July 5, 2010 2:52pm
John Boscawen

Treasury have forecast that prices will rise by 5%. Don’t take any comfort from the fact that Mercury’s initial increase is only 3.3%.

The market will be set by Genesis which generates 75% of its electricity from the gas and coal-fired Huntly Power Station.

Genesis has announced it will not be increasing prices immediately, but when its 1 million tonne stockpile of coal runs out you can expect the wholesale price of electricity to rise by 1 cent per unit, and retail prices by 5%. At this stage, expect a further increase from Mercury as it moves to do what the ETS intends – make more money from renewable!

At that time, expect Meridien to increase its prices by 5%, if it hasn’t already done so.

However, the people to feel really sorry for are those living in Southland. They heat their homes with coal. It’s risen by on average 30% (Solid Energy quoted me 18-42% depending on the mine location). So all those living in Southland who heat their homes with coal can pay 30% more this winter to pay massive subsidies to the Japanese owners of Southland Forests. When I had a meeting in Gore a month ago, locals were very unimpressed. It’s lucky the Clutha Southland MP Bill English, has such a big majority. I would be concerned however for National’s party vote.
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July 5, 2010 2:59pm
Colonel Masters

What a peculiar industry. If I manufactured widgets and increased prices, I would see sales go directly to my competitors. It would be very unusual for them to increase their prices to match mine.

I suppose we have Max Bradford to thank for this?
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July 5, 2010 3:19pm
AlphaKiwi

Some people here are worried that if they give their vote to ACT, then they would just be helping National back in. That is probably true, but the higher the popular vote for ACT, the more seats they’d have, the better chance they’d have to leverage in some of their policies. Hell, look what the Maori Party have been able to do and they’re not even in government!
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July 5, 2010 3:28pm
Pete George

Discussing ETS alongside our power market is a bit depressing. All artificially created markets are not created equal, but it doesn’t give a lot of confidence in the chances of working successfully.
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July 5, 2010 3:30pm
Redbaiter

Something I missed from a couple of weeks ago-

“New Zealand’s top broadcasting bureaucrat is tuning out of the sector to be Climate Change Ambassador. Jo Tyndall is director of the broadcasting unit at the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and has been a key backroom player in the TV game.”
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July 5, 2010 3:52pm
Redbaiter

Did this story get a mention on Kiwiblog??

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Kiwiblog has increased unique users 43 per cent in the past two years – a much bigger increase than that recorded for Public Address.

Figures released by Nielsen Online research for June 24 show the National Party friendly blog increased from 33,548 in May 2008 to 48,067 for the same date in 2010.

The liberal and Labour friendly community Public Address increased from 16,471 to 18,545, an increase of 13 per cent.

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Funny that. People must like what they read here much more than what they read on Public Address.

Given that according to the commies frequenting this place, we’re all right wing lunatics completely disconnected from mainstream opinion, you’d think it would be the other way around.
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July 5, 2010 3:57pm
Pete George

We can’t be “all right wing lunatics” if there are also commies frequenting the place. Not all right wingers are lunatics anyway.

And having a strong National Party connection there is quite a bit of comment around the centre as well. Mainstream opinion seems to still favour National, according to the polls.
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July 5, 2010 4:08pm
Yvette

“The ETS operates by imposing a cost, or tax, on emissions of carbon dioxide given off from the burning of coal and gas to produce electricity. It will drive up the cost of producing electricity from these sources. However, because of the way our electricity market works, all generators will get the benefit of being able to charge the higher wholesale price of electricity. Generators will be able to increase their price whether they incur the carbon cost or not and will make windfall profits as a result. The government doesn’t want you to know this but I assure you it is true and that is why I am telling you.
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“ACT forecasts that the total windfall gains to the government from its three generators – Mighty River Power, Genesis Energy and Meridian – will be in excess of $150 million per annum from July 1. Worse still, the government does not want to acknowledge to you the consumers that it is making these windfall profits. Regardless of whether these profits are returned as taxation, dividends or retained in the generating companies themselves, the government continues to downplay its gains from the ETS. It repeatedly says in Parliament that its revenue from the ETS will be around $350 million per annum, when it is likely to be well in excess of $500 million pa from July 1.”

-John Boscawen MP, ACT New Zealand
Speech to North Shore Grey Power Annual General Meeting, 1:00pm Friday, May 28 2010
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July 5, 2010 4:14pm
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

I see that the censoring of comments on John Key’s facebook page has started. In a post today on the Prime Ministers visit to South Korea a number of facebook users mentioned the ETS. They have now been deleted. Gee, who does that remind you of?
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July 5, 2010 4:50pm
Banana Llama

What the hell?!

http://www.movies-links.tv/index.html

Another.

http://www.tvshack.net/index.html

Looks like uncle sam is opening a can of woopass.
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July 5, 2010 5:15pm
Redbaiter

Interesting comments on Andrew Breitbarts “Journolist” news item.

Wouldn’t be surprised if such a list exists in NZ too. In fact, its probably a strategy the left have been using in almost every western country.

The craft of Journalism is corrupted beyond any redemption.
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July 5, 2010 5:36pm
side show bob

Are all the clowns in Wellington smoking P?. I hear they are now talking about a compulsory saving scheme. For fucks sake are they totally devoured from reality? ETS, ACC, GST, PAYE, RATES, VECHILE RESTRIATION, PROVISONAL TAX, TERMINAL TAX, FRINGE BENEFIT TAX, FUEL TAX, FOOD PRICES, MORTGAGES, RENTS, etc, etc. I truly wish some of these government fucks would go and find a good railway line to play on.
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July 5, 2010 5:40pm
Redbaiter

Why we do not need government-

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One couple and their teapot

Newspapers across the Ditch and further abroad recently reported the story of an elderly man in Sydney who is touted with having saved hundreds of lives, because of his unique and courageous actions. Don Ritchie and his wife live opposite “the Gap,” a cliff that is Sydney’s most notorious suicide spot.

For nearly fifty years, when Don has seen people stand at the edge of the cliff he has hurried over to them from his home, and invited them inside for a cup of tea and a chat. Hundreds have taken him up on the offer, and those cups of tea have been turning points for many who have paused and reconsidered their decision. They have walked away with a renewed desire to give life a chance.

Many have returned to thank the Ritchies for their generosity. One woman writes to them regularly and hanging on their wall is an artwork another woman painted and sent to them, months after they rescued her.

The council under whose jurisdiction “the Gap” falls, is currently looking into fencing options to close the cliff face off to would-be jumpers. While this may stop people from jumping at this particular spot, it is likely to move rather than solve the problem. Contrasted with this measure, the actions of Don Ritchie and his wife meet the very real need displayed almost weekly on that cliff face—the need for human connection, support and love. In 2006, Don was awarded a Medal of the Order of Australia for his services.

Maxim Institute.
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July 5, 2010 5:52pm
Inventory2

@ Sideshow Bob – it’s Sam Knowles, the departing Kiwibank CEO who is talking about compulsory savings. Now that Kiwibank is getting into the KiwiSaver market, he wants KiwiSaver to be compulsory, and the rate of deductions and employer contributions to go up to 10%. That’s absolute pie-in-the-sky stuff. There might just be a wee issue about conflict of interest in what he is proposing.
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July 5, 2010 6:04pm
side show bob

Thanks Inventory2, my apologies to the clowns in Wellington, looks like Mr Knowles is on P. Where do they find these people????????????
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July 5, 2010 6:26pm
Inventory2

Well SSB, he’s running Jim Anderton’s bank, so that could be a clue 😉
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July 5, 2010 6:35pm
Pete George

and the rate of deductions and employer contributions to go up to 10%. That’s absolute pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Australia is a compulsory 9%, so we would need that at least to catch up with them.
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July 5, 2010 6:46pm
krazykiwi

Tour De France .. huge crash in last 2kms. Absolutely crazy allowing spectators to press inwards leaving a tiny road width where wheel-to-wheel athletes are travelling at 55km/h after >240kms of cycling. Grrrrr.
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July 5, 2010 6:53pm
Rex Widerstrom

Redbaiter says:

Why we do not need government…

I agree, “we know best” politicians know nothing about chamging human behaviour… they’ll always opt for some sort of regulation because it’s a monument to their power.

Tailored intervention is always going to work better than erecting barriers which people who are determined enough will find ways over and around. And we can’t claim to be a civilised society if we sit by and let people throw their lives away.

Of course I say the same thing about crime and get told I’m wrong by lefties and righties, so maybe fencing The Gap and locking away more and more people, and just generally threatening people and ordering them about in an attempt to change their behaviour, is the way the majority want society to go…
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