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Yvette

Firs …
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July 3, 2010 8:19am
Yvette

.. t!
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July 3, 2010 8:20am
Inventory2

Tres bien Yvette 🙂
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July 3, 2010 8:28am
Viking2

HMMMM. Controversial debate Yvette.
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July 3, 2010 8:54am
Viking2

Todays socialist news.

PM admits ‘concern’ about sale of Crafar farms
By JOHN HARTEVELT – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 03/07/2010

Tribe gets another shot at land claim
$100k for taekwon-do comp J
.. Minister to face schools’ rebellion

Prime Minister John Key has broken his silence over the controversial bid by a Chinese consortium to buy the Crafar farms,

Prime Minister John Key has opened a section of the national cycleway network in Ohakune but had no time to enjoy riding the 16-kilometre track.
house prices to fall: Westpac

Bank boss: Make saving compulsory

By ROELAND VAN DEN BERGH – BusinessDay
Last updated 05:00 03/07/2010

Kiwibank is calling for compulsory KiwiSaver membership, a tightening of rules around disclosure by KiwiSaver providers, and more incentives for savings.

PM bothered about sacking incompetent local body. Ecan gone.
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July 3, 2010 9:01am
Viking2

Oh and

Bay MPs set for $65k boost
03 Jul 2010

The Bay of Plenty’s four elected MPs are set to earn an extra $65,000 a year between them as they prepare for a 10 per cent pay rise.
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July 3, 2010 9:03am
Viking2

Now here is the good news. Major banks confirm that the National Govts. are bad for property ownership.

House prices are down 3 per cent on levels in 2007 and are set to fall further, according to a Westpac Bank report.

House prices are forecast to fall 2 per cent this year and next, hit by rising interest rates, coming income tax cuts and slowing population growth, Westpac said.

House prices have come down from “grossly overvalued” levels in 2007 to “slightly” overvalued, according to Westpac’s estimates, with an inflation adjusted or “real” drop of 12 per cent in house prices.

There was a 50 per cent slump in inflation-adjusted house prices in the 1970s, with smaller real falls in the early and late 1990s.

Each of those 3 down periods were the responsibility of National Govts.
70′ exodus to Aussie.
90’s exodus to Aussie after a Bolger boost to Asian immigration.
Are we going to see this happen again? Most likely when we refuse to acknowledge The Aussies leadership in minor matters like wages and opportunity.
Worked there in the 60’s and earned less than here in NZ, National destroyed that advantage for Kiwi’s staying at home.
The worst is that they seemingly refuse to believe that we should be better paid then the Aussies and despite signing up to ACT’s goal of beating Aussie by 2025 they are simply siting on their hands doing nothing but prolonging socialism.

The only job creation scheme in town are roads and jails.
Bankrupt idea’s.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3881056/Westpac-predicts-house-prices-decline
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July 3, 2010 9:16am
Viking2

More socialist behavoir by the Socialist minders.
Home Brewers watchout.

Home brewer, 80, sold alcohol to police
By DIANE JOYCE – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 03/07/2010

An 80-year-old man who made home-brew whisky and bourbon in his garage has been targeted in a police sting.

Edwin Wilson appeared in Hastings District Court this week, entering no plea to seven charges relating to selling liquor without a licence. He allegedly sold bottles of spirits to an undercover policewoman in April.

His Hastings garage has been stripped of alcohol-producing paraphernalia and his house searched.

Mr Wilson said he made whisky and bourbon for himself.

What are they going to do. Put him in jail. and anyway who cares that the breweries and the state don’t collect the money.
Nail the scumbags trhat stole his booze and the scmbags that threatened him.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3881121/Home-brewer-80-sold-alcohol-to-police
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July 3, 2010 9:21am
Viking2

Intelligent Debate.

Education Minister Anne Tolley yesterday told hundreds of principals to be quiet, go back to school and do as they’re told, and that national standards were staying.

Now stuff me. I thought that kind of language was the preserve of school teachers. In fact I know it has been for the last 55 years. Where did National Get this woman?
Hopeless. and she is paid how much?

Inspired Leadership. NOT.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3881254/Principals-get-a-telling-off
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July 3, 2010 9:25am
Viking2

On a more interesting note. This is worth a read. Oil everywhere. Stunning numbers.

‘Super-giant’ oilfields redraw energy map
4:00 AM Saturday Jul 3, 2010

The Rumaila field near Basra is expected to produce 1.85 million barrels a day and is in the centre of the Iraqi oil rush.

The map of the world’s main energy suppliers is about to change as Iraq’s forecast oil output quadruples over the next 10 years.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10656231
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July 3, 2010 9:33am
Viking2

The lighter side of crime.
Seems we can’t even do that right.

Mexican gang shootout kills 21
4:31 PM Friday Jul 2, 2010

A massive gun battle between rival drug and migrant trafficking gangs near the US border Thursday left 21 people dead and at least six others wounded, prosecutors said.

Contrast that with our puny effort.

Arrest over Wairoa gang fight
8:36 AM Saturday Jul 3, 2010

Police have made the first arrest over a violent gang confrontation in Wairoa, in northern Hawke’s Bay and more arrests are expected.

A Black Power gang member who was shot in the face on Thursday night remains in hospital in Hastings.

Police arrested a Mongrel Mob member aged in his 40s, at his home in Wairoa last night.
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July 3, 2010 9:41am
Viking2

This from a disillusioned Canadian voter:

Quote:
For those of you who have never travelled to the west, or southwest, cattle guards are horizontal steel rails placed at fence openings, in dug-out places in the roads adjacent to highways (sometimes across highways), to prevent cattle from crossing over that area. For some reason the cattle will not step on the “guards,” probably because they fear getting their feet caught between the rails.

A few months ago, British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell received and was reading a report that there were over 100,000 cattle guards in BC. BC ranchers had protested his proposed changes in grazing policies, so he ordered the Agriculture Minister to fire half of the “cattle” guards immediately!!

Before the Minister could respond and presumably try to straighten him out, Leader of the Opposition Carol James, intervened with a request that.. Before any “cattle” guards were fired, they must be given six months of retraining.

Your government at work!!!
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July 3, 2010 9:47am
Inventory2

Flippin’ heck Viking – nine consecutive posts. That’s Philip Ure territory 😉
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July 3, 2010 10:14am
bhudson

Super-giant oilfield in Iraq? The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. Just wait for all the claims that the US knew this all along (no doubt thanks to their superman x-Ray oils detection glasses.)

They will find the smoking gun on the grassy knoll!
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July 3, 2010 10:21am
Pete George

It is odd that suddenly there are supposedly huge mineral reserves in Afghanistan and huge oil reserves in Iraq. It could of course just be US presence and resources are enabling the discoveries. Or hyping them.
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July 3, 2010 10:35am
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

In today’s Christchurch Press, John Hartevelt writes that about 100,000 additional Asians will join the NZ population every five years over the next two decades – that’s an additional 400,000. Good on Hartevelt and the Press for discussing a subject which usually seems tabu.

Our population trend is fine if that’s what NZ voters want, but I don’t recall them ever being consulted. I like Chinese. They are generally hard working, ambitious, law abiding and family oriented. But that’s not the point. The changing population make-up raises questions on who decides such important issues.

1. Why is National so bent on ethnically re-engineering NZ? (Labour follows the same policy of course.) The immigration industry led by former politicians was founded under National. National recently lowered the bar for business-migration entry so that probably now 200 million middle-class citizens of China could meet it comfortably.

2. Are National (and Labour MPs) hypnotised because China is the new economic super power? And is it really? For millennia it was the world’s biggest economy, which didn’t stop Genghis’s horsemen and the Manchu later from galloping in to take over. And we heard the same hype a decade or two ago about Japan, which has now stalled.

3. As India climbs to power will our ethnic policy then be to swing towards that subcontinent? Brazil and Russia are also part of the surging BRIC nations. Can we look forward to surges of Brazilians and Russians?

4. Does National’s China love stem from the repeated assertion that NZ is part of Asia geographically? Yet Beijing is closer to Paris than it is to Auckland, and Shanghai is closer to California than it is to NZ. Tokyo-London flights are shorter than Tokyo-Auckland flights.

5. Does centrist politicians’ sucking up to China and Asian generally open the way for Laws (or similar) to roar into Parliament as a new Right wing party?

6. Above all, why haven’t the ethnic changes been put before voters over the last decade or two? Do the successive Beehive swarms think we are too bigoted, too thick, and too irrational to decide our national future? Or are they scared we wouldn’t agree with their ethnic plans?

Meanwhile, Bro. Key leaves today for a 10-day visit to China (plus Korea and Vietnam).
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July 3, 2010 10:39am
kaya

Good to see the Football World Cup getting real with two excellent games overnight. The Ghana v Uruguay game in particular was brilliant. The drama at the end was heart stopping!!
For those non football fans who took an interest because of NZ’s courageous efforts, now you got to see the real “beautiful” game. The NZ games were soccer at the bottom end of the scale, a bit like the dour old days of rugby with 3-3 draws not being unusual.
Now the world cup is interesting!!
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July 3, 2010 10:46am
Jack5

Lucy:

Re your 10.35 post.

I posteda good link on this (thanks to Arts and Letters Daily) on Wednesday.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/06/16/afghan-mineral-bonanza-is-bogus/
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July 3, 2010 10:48am
kaya

The world economic “recovery” slowly unraveling?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10656248

So what next? More quantitative easing? More taxpayers’ money thrown away to try and prop up the failures? Very interesting times ahead but only one thing is certain, the bullshit being spun by economists is being exposed for the lie it is.

The only thing the trillions spent by the US treasury have achieved has been to briefly create an illusion of normality in the world financial markets. Reality is slowly overtaking the hype (as it always does) and the markets are being exposed for the casino that they are. Hang onto your seats.
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July 3, 2010 11:14am
Viking2

I2.
Just the rest of yous were too tired (think beneficiary) to get up and do sometyhing productive to waken the sheep.

PG, have always been there but in no go territory. Its takes money to develop these resources and no one will invest that kind of $ without some degree of certainty.

Jack5; If you live in the BOP we already have half of India here. Mostly Fijian but still lots of Mainland. Taken over large chunks of the kiwifuit industry. Only ones building houses here in any quantity. They know how to make good use of money.
Lots of Sihks amoung them. Good right wing thinkers. Don’t like bludgers.

Lots in our health system as well. Dr’s that is. Seem to prefer that independent bastion of health. SX.
Indian dentists as well.
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July 3, 2010 11:15am
Viking2

Schools/Parliaments out. The snouts are out.

Tauranga MP overseas
03 Jul 2010

Tauranga MP Simon Bridges is in the United Kingdom until July 19 with his wife Natalie who has family there.
Simon says he will take the opportunity to meet with a number of Conservative Members of Parliament at Westminster, particularly in relation to policy.

Tauranga MP Simon Bridges

Simon will attend a Tauranga Boys College Old Boys function in London with principal Robert Mangan and old boys from across Europe as well.
Simon will all be going to Poland for three days where Natalie has family.
As chair of the Poland-New Zealand Parliament Friendship Group, Simon will meet with members of Poland’s lower and upper houses of Parliament who have an interest in New Zealand.

What a crock of self serving shit.
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July 3, 2010 11:22am
stephen

the bullshit being spun by economists is being exposed for the lie it is.

The Econ-Borg is back!? Nooooooooooo!
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July 3, 2010 11:27am
Viking2

Question.
How many Parliamentary Friendship Groups lurk in the corridors of power at the Hive?

This appears to be the current way of avoiding paying your own way to holiday.

Probably not new.
We need to ask the Polish about Government.

JAFL.
Slightly different from a JAFFA, but same deal.
Just another fucking lefty.
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July 3, 2010 1:07pm
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&objectid=10655754

Not sure if this has affected any workers here. This moronic bill has certainly affected me since it was introduced. Workers doing shifts of 5 or more hours have to take an unpaid 30minute break, so people who were working a 5 hour shift when the law came into effect either had to work 30 minutes a day more, or take in effect, a 10% pay cut. Some employees at my work had to choose the latter, as they were working a 9-2 shift to drop off and collect kids from school.

More short sighted government bullshit, more stupid regulations, more nanny state. Thankfully National look like they are to make it more flexible. And what does that champion of the workers, smackhead Fenton have to say?

Labour MP Darien Fenton argued existing legislation adequately addressed flexibility issues, and also took into account health and safety issues, which risked being compromised if there were changes.

Tell that to the hard working solo mums out there who are getting a 10% paycut, you fucking idiot.
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July 3, 2010 1:18pm
Redbaiter

The ideas of the left are gradually falling out of favour in the US. Criticism of Obama is growing too, so the petty tyrants who run leftist web sites are flat out issuing new regulations and guidelines to try and limit that criticism. Socialism is just fascism in disguise, and the attempts of these stupid people, who say they want free and open debate, but limit that debate with ridiculous curbs on freedom of expression, are just more examples that prove the underlying obsession with control that all leftists suffer from.

The referenced article is focused on sites in the US, but Kiwiblog readers know that same thing happens here in NZ. Leftist sites like the Standard and Red Alert (for two examples) are all run by the same desperate tiny minded control freak fascist bastards, who will not allow any comment that doesn’t in the first place, acknowledge socialism as a working system of government.

Leftists are fascists. Its remarkable they have been able to get away with not being recognised as such for so long. I guess their control of the media has had a lot to do with that.

Click HERE to read the article.

Have a good laff at the futility of these wankers as reality bears down on them with an ever increasing impetus.
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July 3, 2010 1:37pm
MikeNZ

It wouldn’t be GD without some Middle east so here goes.

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/29/living-in-fear/print/
one reason operation cast lead happened and will again if need be, notwithstanding the blockade of Gaza.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-214863-102-turkey-warns-israel-of-extending-current-ban-to-commercial-flights.html
Turkey needs to be held accountable for sending an armed group to Israeli territory to break a legal blockade.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=296317
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100701/wl_mideast_afp/lebanonunprotest_20100701144814
Do I expect the UN to do so against an Islamist orientated state?
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July 3, 2010 1:47pm
Viking2

You don’t have to be a statistician to figure out that somewhere between 25% and 30% of the voters are stupid beyond redemption
Hardcore Politically Stupid People
By Alan Caruba Thursday, July 1, 2010

If you harbor the suspicion that a lot of voters are not bright enough to understand the issues, the candidates, or anything about those who hold public office, you are right.

Considering the critical issues affecting the security, economy, and the future of the nation, it is clear that we are being ruled by a cabal in Congress who vote the Democrat Party line without regard for anything other than political self-interest.

They got there, however, because of a solid core of voters who consistently demonstrate what dim bulbs they are.

Assuming some of these morons read the newspaper or got their news from the Internet sites of what is called the mainstream media, a 2004 Pew Research Center poll found that five times more journalists described themselves as politically “liberal” than those who said they were conservative.

That same year, a poll by the University of Connecticut found that journalists backed John Kerry over George W. Bush by a margin of two-to-one. Not much has changed since, except that daily newspapers keep going out of business; more than 120 dailies shut down in 2009.

Journalists keep asking themselves why???

Perhaps slobbering over Barack Obama and getting him elected might have contributed to a general sense of dissatisfaction among people whose I.Q. is higher than room temperature.

More; http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/24912
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July 3, 2010 1:54pm
grumpyoldhori

Want private prisons ?
Want the chance of this happening ?
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/23/pennsylvania.corrupt.judges/index.html
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July 3, 2010 1:56pm
Pete George

Have a good laff at the futility of these wankers as reality bears down on them with an ever increasing impetus.

I will. 🙂

Like the futility of “the same desperate tiny minded control freak fascist bastards” here who try to abuse and shout down anyone they don’t want to comment?
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July 3, 2010 1:57pm
Redbaiter

Pete its a measure of your detachment from reality that you think other commenters can “shout” here, or prevent others from posting. Neither action is possible. Never mind. I’m sure you’ll soon come up with another fabricated means to portray the left and their sympathisers as victims of “abuse” and bullying. Anything but admit the reality that when it comes to oppression, there are 100 million citizens murdered last century whose rotting bones are monuments to the liberalism of the left.
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July 3, 2010 2:07pm
Pete George

Praise the right! Praise the right! Praise those that never sin.
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July 3, 2010 2:09pm
MikeNZ

Red
I think you are being too kind, the figure was over 100 million but what is another 50-60 killed by the left and their policies/ideology between friends 🙂
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July 3, 2010 2:16pm
grumpyoldhori

MikeNZ being a yank you would know nothing of the Anzacs and Gallipoli, the Turks are one bunch not to be fucked around with.
The Turks will just keep on turning the screws until Israel apologises for the killings and pays compensation.

Professional bunch the Israeli special forces ? stealing cards so they can purchase ipods, just a bunch of petty thiefs.

And guess what, there is fuck all the USA can do to stop the Turks putting the screws on.
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July 3, 2010 2:20pm
Redbaiter

Anyone else noticed in big nosed Julia Gillard the same insufferable smugness that was so apparent in tooth fairy Helen Klark? Why are all these commie bitches so smug?

What’s wrong with their fucking brains that they think that the socialist totalitarian fascism they stand for is something that they should feel smug about?? Smiling like gormless fucking half wits. How can they be so unaware of the fact that they send a chill down the spine of so many that are observing them?

They’ve both got big fat arses as well.
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July 3, 2010 2:37pm
Pete George

There seems to be a growing chorus in Auckland of “where the fuck are some decent mayoral candidates?”
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July 3, 2010 2:51pm
Redbaiter

Why don’t you stand Pete? You could give them a list of ten or more questions as your policies.
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July 3, 2010 2:56pm
Pete George

Who’s the inquisitor?

Anyone else noticed in big nosed Julia Gillard the same insufferable smugness that was so apparent in tooth fairy Helen Klark?
Why are all these commie bitches so smug?
What’s wrong with their fucking brains that they think that the socialist totalitarian fascism they stand for is something that they should feel smug about??
How can they be so unaware of the fact that they send a chill down the spine of so many that are observing them?
Why don’t you stand Pete?

I don’t live in Auckland and don’t want to live in Auckland for a start. And I don’t want to be a mayor.
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July 3, 2010 3:02pm
Redbaiter

Rhetorical questions Pete. Is there ever going to be a message posted here by you that isn’t a demonstration of totally and utterly fucked comprehension skills?? (that’s rhetorical too)
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July 3, 2010 3:18pm
nickb

Why don’t you stand Pete? You could give them a list of ten or more questions as your policies.

I LOL’ed hard RB
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July 3, 2010 3:19pm
Pete George

A good mayor should be a leader and manager who asks the right questions (not rhetorical ones, that’s for dictators), listens to and acts on what the people need and want.
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July 3, 2010 3:25pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for that infantile definition Pete. You’ve gone from fascist to facile.
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July 3, 2010 3:58pm
Manolo

“Why are all these commie bitches so smug?”

In my opinion, the main reason is their detachment from reality. The majority of them are political science graduates and social activists who have never had a job in the real world, and whose pink/red-tinted glasses will never allow a dissenting view.

It applies to the male gender, as well. Point in case, the Messiah, the anti-American president.
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July 3, 2010 4:08pm
Redbaiter

“It applies to the male gender, as well. Point in case, the Messiah, the anti-American president.”

Or Rudd. Except he’s not quite so smug today.
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July 3, 2010 4:45pm
Manolo

An example for those longing for a greater degreee of state interference in our lives: http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/02/transparency-report/
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July 3, 2010 4:53pm
starboard

There seems to be a growing chorus in Auckland of “where the fuck are some decent mayoral candidates…

..same chorus being sung here in chc…pretty slim pickings…spend bob or neanderton…oh woe is me…
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July 3, 2010 4:56pm
kaya

Ron Pauls’s proposed bill to audit the Federal Reserve was defeated. He talks about it here.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-07-01/audit-the-fed-update-its-over-for-now/

The Federal Reserve should have been audited. An organsation as powerful as this should not be above reproach, Control of the money system is the ultimate power.

There is a good look at it at the whole monetary system on the Mises website. “Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve”

http://mises.org/daily/2870
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July 3, 2010 6:35pm
Viking2

Quiet day in GD. think we should start a religion debate or move the abortion debate here.

Mind you DPF knew what to do to avoid blogging with a sad head and all.
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July 3, 2010 7:04pm
Luc Hansen

Where’s FE Smith tonight?

I’m happy to engage him on the topic of Israel’s genocide of Palestinians.

By any definition other than actual physical extermination, the cap fits, I’m afraid, FE.

And for all those here who advocate that Palestinians should move to other Arab states, that also fits one of the definitions of genocide – destroying the ethnicity of a group.

Even the current siege of Gaza by Israel fulfills a requirement of the definition of genocide.

It’s hard to believe that a group that survived genocide is visiting the same on another group, but the facts are that this is, in fact, the case.
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July 3, 2010 7:20pm
Johnboy

He is probably busy watching re-runs of this Luc.

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/american-nick-bergs-beheading-warning-graphic-images/

Fuc off you piece of shit. 🙂
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July 3, 2010 7:30pm
Luc Hansen

Replying to MikeNZ @ July 3rd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

The first link is about Sderot. This is the history of Sederot:

Sderot Built on Ashes of Ethnically Cleansed and defaced Najd:

Sderot was settled by Jews in 1951. According to Walid Khalidi in All That Remains, it along with the settlement of Or ha-Ner, founded in 1957, were established on the village lands of Najd, which means “elevated plain” in Arabic.

Najd’s Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. According to UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.

Today, according to Khalidi, “some old trees grow” on the site of the village. It is “overgrown with cactuses and Christ’s thorn and sycamore trees and contans the crumbled walls of unidentified buildings….”

There were 82 houses in Najd. Children went to school in Simsim, two kilometers away. According to Palestine Remembered the village has been completely “defaced.”

In 1596 Najd’s population was 215.

In 1838, Edward Robinson, an American biblical scholar “observed the villagers winnowing barley by throwing it into the air against the wind with wooden forks” [Robinson (1841) III: 260 as quoted in Khalidi 128].

Najd’s villagers were mainly farmers and engaged in animal husbandry. “Fields of grain and fruit trees surrounded Najd on all sides.”

Najd is fourteen kilometers from Gaza. Palestinian Arabs own 12,669 dunums in Najd although Israel refuses to honor their rights to their personal property, and refuses them their inalienable right to return home. In 1945 Jews owned 495 dunums of land in Najd and public lands consisted of 412 dunums.

Najd is one of 418 ethnically cleansed villages by Zionist Jews.

And as far as the terror faced by the children of Sderot from the rockets, look at the results of Israel’s brutality on Arab children here (scroll down the page).

The simple fact is that both sides in this conflict are guilty of brutality, but the root cause of the conflict remains the forced dispossession of Palestinians from their ancestral lands by European colonisers – the Ashkenazi Jews who still dominate the political landscape of the land formerly known as Palestine.
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July 3, 2010 8:01pm
Luc Hansen

Nice work Johnboy. You are as simple as your name suggests, aren’t you, to confuse Palestine with Iraq? And how do you think Iraqis feel about over a million deaths as a result of the (latest) western invasion of their country?
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July 3, 2010 8:04pm
Luc Hansen

MikeNZ then perpetrates the already discredited Israel lie of armed terrorists on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. Watch this smuggled film that absolutely puts the lie to statements like this:

http://www.culturesofresistance.org/gaza-freedom-flotilla

You can watch the full one hour version that also shows the mood on board the Mavi Marmara just prior to the surprise attack by the Israelis or the 15 mins “highlights”.

And while you are in the movie watching mood, here is an interview with two senior and respected SMH journalists on board one of the flotilla boats and who give the lie to the Israeli canard of no violence perpetrated by the IDF on other boats in the flotilla:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/9/framing_the_narrative_israeli_commandos_seizes

But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your racism, OK?
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July 3, 2010 8:18pm
Hurf Durf

Animals righters are probably the most contemptuous of all Progs. Witness:

Behind their wicked smears, which have left Pauline and Nick Koupparis feeling ‘harangued and besieged’, is the mentality of the lynch mob.

And their wild theories are as bizarre as they are offensive.

Some have said the family dog attacked the children and that Mr and Mrs Koupparis covered it up so the animal would not have to be put down.

The couple do not have a dog.

Others claimed the family used the case as propaganda to bring back fox hunting. The couple have no links to hunting.

Most offensively of all, some claimed on internet chat forums that the children were the victims of abuse, not an urban fox.

Then there were those who objected to the backlash against urban foxes which the story generated.

One veiled threat reads: ‘Save a fox, kill a baby.’ Apparently, it was a sick joke, alluding to the fact a number of foxes in the neighbourhood were trapped and put down in the wake of the attack on the Koupparis girls.

The implication being that the life of a fox is worth as much or more than that of a child to these fanatics.

The venomous posting resulted in the family being given police protection.

Ah, the Prog mind. The word ‘vermin’ doesn’t really cover it, does it?
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July 3, 2010 8:33pm
Hurf Durf

I love it when left-wing racists like Luc call other people racist simply because they believe their own racism is more “enlightened,” rather than be contemptible of all racism.

The Prog mind.
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July 3, 2010 8:37pm
krazykiwi

Remember that the October GST rise is applied on top of the ETS.

Keys in everyone’s pockets. (pun intended!)
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July 3, 2010 8:55pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, please explain how I am racist when I support equal human rights for all people. And I support especially the rights of dispossessed indigenous peoples all over the world in their quest for justice.

Do you think that if you were older, you would have been one of those supporting the racist regime in SA?
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July 3, 2010 8:57pm
Redbaiter

“Do you think that if you were older, you would have been one of those supporting the racist regime in SA?”

You support the racist regime that controls SA today and murders white farmers all over the country. WTF are you talking about? Stinking hypocrite.
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July 3, 2010 9:06pm
krazykiwi

Luc, how much of the land now known as Israel, wasn’t sold to European and other settlers by absentee Arab landlords? 2%, 3%? And when the last chunk was given back in return for peace what happened?

If I owned the flat you lived in and I evicted you by selling it to another person, who should you be pissed off with? Me or the new owner?

The arguably lazy Palestinian tenement farmers were evicted by their Arab brothers.

But none of this matters to you.

Israelis are evil. Palestinians are enlightened. Such is your myopia.
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July 3, 2010 9:08pm
Redbaiter

“And how do you think Iraqis feel about over a million deaths as a result of the (latest) western invasion of their country?”

What million deaths?

.. and I saw them celebrating their chance to vote. Hardly unhappy.

Obviously totalitarian anti-democratic scum like you would prefer the dictator Saddam Hussein to be reinstated.
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July 3, 2010 9:09pm
side show bob

“where is F E Smith tonight” probably washing his/her hair. Dateless and desperate again Luc ??
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July 3, 2010 9:09pm
nickb

If only Luc’s father had sprayed him into the nearest sock.
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July 3, 2010 9:10pm
side show bob

Sorry nickb, Luc is a genetic experiment , these experiments were instigated by the Liarbore government, the program was called “the perfect voter”.
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July 3, 2010 9:23pm
Hurf Durf

RB, don’t be daft. Luc is strongly egalitarian. For example, he viciously opposed the government of Ian Smith in Rhodesia which gave all (except violent Soviet-backed thugs) the right to vote and had the largest black middle class in sub-Saharan Africa and wept for joy when Robert Mugabe came along, stole several elections, put a rival tribe to the sword and started kicking white people off land they owned for generations.
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July 3, 2010 9:27pm
Leonidas

Anyone else wanna crack open a beer, or a glass of wine if you’re that way inclined?

Ding, Dong, the Fail-Ure’s Gone!
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July 3, 2010 9:38pm
krazykiwi

@Leonidas – Would love to. However already nearing the end of a nice snifter of Hennessy, and Mrs Krazykiwi has made her intentions well known. I’m outta here.
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July 3, 2010 9:45pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, it’s a perverse view of history that informs the view that the white Rhodesian/Zimbabwe farmers had their land stolen off them by the ancestral occupier of the land, the occupiers since the beginning of the human species, in fact, as we are all from Africa, and who had been dispossessed by a mere generations old passing empire.

What people do with freedom when they attain it is their business, not ours, and you can rest assured it will be different to what would have occurred if we had left them alone.
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July 3, 2010 10:28pm
big bruv

“Ding, Dong, the Fail-Ure’s Gone!”

Really?…for how long?
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July 3, 2010 10:34pm
Redbaiter

‘What people do with freedom when they attain it is their business, not ours,’

The amoral progressive so easily endorses mass murder.
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July 3, 2010 10:38pm
Luc Hansen

Krazykiwi

You have been paying far too much attention to that hasbara disseminator, Kiwi in America (KIA, an unfortunate acronym, surely).

And your characterisation of Palestinian farmers as lazy confirms how racism informs your view.

Absentee landownership was an entirely accepted practice in Palestine, and the tenant farmers were traditionally left in place when ownership changed. Except when the European jews bought the land. That land was sold to Jews is not in dispute, but to claim it was any more than around 98% by 1948 is simply false – I can’t recall the exact figure offhand but I think you will find it was more like 10%.

I do not believe, as you suggest, that all Israelis are evil. I would certainly apply that term to the current ruling elite, but generally I think non-Arab Israelis are as much victims of events as are Palestinians.

I suggest you do some research on http://www.palestineremembered.com that goes into some detail the population makeup and land ownership of Palestinian towns and villages in 1948, and when it was taken over by the Zionists.
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July 3, 2010 10:43pm
Hurf Durf

in fact, as we are all from Africa, and who had been dispossessed by a mere generations old passing empire.

So does that mean I can go to Egypt and carve myself a piece of sweet, fertile Nile land knowing full well that some long-expired Egyptian (probably Coptic) ancestral occupier once tended it? Justice for all, you would say, and I feel aggrieved. As Jacob Zuma sang – give me my machine gun!

The amoral progressive so easily endorses mass murder.

At least we now know that Luc was a strong supporter of letting Croats and Serbs slaughter Bosniaks – it’s their freedom, after all.
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July 3, 2010 10:51pm
Luc Hansen

Redbaiter, you are so tiresome that I really try not to bother, but hear this:

the mass murder you refer to is a direct result of initial colonisation, and one of the tragic results of decolonisation is often internal warfare, especially between the collaborators and the “others” who were excluded during the colonisation period.

In Iraq, it’s the Sunnis who were the collaborators, and who oppressed the majority Shias. The Sunnis were targeted when the Shias were freed from oppression.

Similar situation in Sri Lanka, where the Tamils have paid the ultimate price for collaboration with the British in the ongoing savage, almost genocidal repression.

As Ghandi said to the British, “What happens after you leave is none of your business. Just pack up and go.”
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July 3, 2010 10:54pm
Banana Llama

Phill is gone for a month or longer.
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July 3, 2010 10:54pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, one thing is for sure, you won’t even lie straight in your grave.

You do realise that the Bosnians targeted by the Serbs were Muslims, don’t you, who converted from Christianity after the Ottoman victory in Kosovo 600 odd years ago?

One justification of the slaughter of Muslims in the 1990s was revenge for that defeat by the Turks. If you don’t think an actual defeat 600 years ago justifies attempted genocide, and I agree, why do you support the same actions in Palestine where the “defeat” 2000 years ago is mere myth?
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July 3, 2010 11:01pm
Redbaiter

“Redbaiter, you are so tiresome that I really try not to bother, but hear this:”

No thanks. Your an amoral progressive who endorses racism mass murder, totalitarianism, communist dictatorships, the murder of innocents and you’re also IMHO a compulsive liar and writer of propaganda. You’ve got nothing to say in this forum worth shit.

“the mass murder you refer to is a direct result of initial colonisation”

Its a result of barbaric racism and the dysfunctional lawlessness that amoral leftist scum like you worked so hard to bring about in your quest to ensure communists controlled Africa.
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July 3, 2010 11:06pm
Redbaiter

“Really?…for how long?”

Don’t worry Bruv, there are plenty of other low IQ leftist morons around you can test yourself against.
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July 3, 2010 11:10pm
Luc Hansen

RB

You are not a test, just an ordeal, like an ADD child.
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July 3, 2010 11:17pm
Hurf Durf

You do realise that the Bosnians targeted by the Serbs were Muslims, don’t you, who converted from Christianity after the Ottoman victory in Kosovo 600 odd years ago?

Perfectly aware, and perfectly aware of the supreme irony of the logical paradox you employ that gives people a pass to slaughter other people simply because some other people ruled them, using your almost pathological obsession with the oppressed as a weapon against you.

why do you support the same actions in Palestine where the “defeat” 2000 years ago is mere myth?

Prove that current Israeli policy is based around revenge and you may – just may – have a point. Hard mode: do not use HuffPo, Raw Story and various OH YAY THE RESISTANCE websites.

Sixty years, a continually growing population and several failed attempts at giving “the oppressed” self-governance. That’s a pretty piss-poor genocide.
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July 3, 2010 11:28pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, I don’t give anyone a pass on slaughter. You continually twist words into unintended inferences.

Sixty years, a continually growing population and several failed attempts at giving “the oppressed” self-governance. That’s a pretty piss-poor genocide.

That’s a pretty piss-poor take on reality.

Your self-governance is actually accepting being condemned to a life less than complete. That is, permanent occupation.

Current Israel policy is not based on revenge because there is nothing to avenge – the biblical stories are myth, usurped to justify the last great western naked colonialist project.

Current Israeli policy is based on continuing the dispossession and oppression of the indigenous people of Palestine in favour of European colonisers with no more connection to the land than I, raised a Catholic in New Zealand, have.

It’s obscenity even for me, now an atheist, to read the byline: Nazareth, Israel. Nazareth is in Palestine, stoopid.

Anyway, the project is doomed to fail, almost certainly in the first half of this century.

Indigenous people don’t leave.
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July 4, 2010 12:07am
Hurf Durf

Current Israel policy is not based on revenge because there is nothing to avenge

Wow, avoiding your own trap by brazenly ignoring your own equivocation of Israeli policy and Serbian expansionism, which you made only minutes ago. Incredible. I wasn’t expecting that.

in favour of European colonisers with no more connection to the land than I, raised a Catholic in New Zealand, have.

Somehow, I don’t think so. Though it’s interesting to note that you were raised Catholic – indoctrinated with that guilt, were you? Sackcloth and all? Well, we’re all prisoners of our childhood, I suppose.

Indigenous people don’t leave.

And considering the Israelis have had sixty years to kick out the Pals – and have no intention to do so, in spite of the lies and slander of the “anti-Zionists” – shows how cretinous and ill-conceived your line of thinking is. You’re so desperate for your precious guilt assuaging that can only come with the “victory of the oppressed” you become short-sighted at the cost to millions of people. We’ve seen what Hamas et al have done with “collaborators” – imagine what they would do with Israelis, given half the chance and enabled by people like you. The thought probably gives you a stiffy, doesn’t it?

So that statement apply to Europeans, by any chance?
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July 4, 2010 12:17am
Redbaiter

“with no more connection to the land than I”

Sorry. Don’t understand this term? What is this “connection” stuff? Some people born in a country have this “connection” and others also born there don’t? Others not born there do? How’s all that work?
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July 4, 2010 12:20am
Luc Hansen

What equivocation? We have a disconnect somewhere s regards the meaning of words.

What do you mean by

Somehow, I don’t think so.

Let’s restart from there.

What do you mean?
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July 4, 2010 12:24am
Redbaiter

You’re hopeless Luc. You just talk hare brained Progressive crap.
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July 4, 2010 12:36am
MikeNZ

Luc Hansen (1625) Says:
July 4th, 2010 at 12:07 am

Hurf, I don’t give anyone a pass on slaughter. You continually twist words into unintended inferences.

Rubbish LUC, that’s all you’ve ever done with your twisted words support for those who wish to drive the jews into the sea.
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July 4, 2010 2:04pm
Tauhei Notts

Viking2 at 9.47 a.m. Saturday.
I hope you do not mind but I have taken the liberty of plagiarising your brilliant post in a letter to the editor of our local fish and chip wrapper.
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