General Debate 23 July 2010

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Johnboy

Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.

Johnboy. 🙂
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July 23, 2010 9:47am
jcuknz

Thankyou for waiting David .. I slept in this morning 🙂
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July 23, 2010 9:47am
jcuknz

Damn Johnboy beat me 🙁
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July 23, 2010 9:48am
Johnboy

Sinner!! 🙂
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July 23, 2010 9:49am
Murray

I see Sir Peter Jackson is going to make Lucy Lawless’s shitlist with his uber carbon footprint flying hotel.
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July 23, 2010 9:56am
Pete George

Sexual orientation affected by bad experience rather than taught?

Sexual orientation link to past: study
New Zealanders who identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual, or who have had a same-sex encounter or relationship, tend to come from more disturbed backgrounds, a University of Otago researcher has found.

People who had experienced sexual abuse as children were three times more likely to identity themselves as homosexual or bisexual than those who had not experienced abuse, she said. Also, the more adverse events someone experienced in childhood, the more likely they were to belong to one of the “non-exclusively heterosexual” groups.

Associations between adverse events and sexuality group were found for sexual assault, rape, violence to the child and for witnessing violence in the home.
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July 23, 2010 9:57am
Falafulu Fisi

An excellent article from Brian Fallow (NZ Herald). It is a must read for those who are cheerleading (umm! David Farrar, Clare Curran, and the likes) for the government’s effort to build ultra-fast broadband networks.

Brian quoted:
There are spillover benefits to the economy or society at large which warrant subsidising them on the scale envisaged.

It cries out, in short, for rigorous cost/benefit analysis, but that is nowhere to be found.

All we get are lofty assertions about how vital broadband is to economic growth, productivity and international competitiveness.

Here is the full article:

Do we even need ultra-fast broadband?

I see this issue that has been pushed or lobbied by people who are not really doing anything data intensive or compute intensive, but just push the issue since they feel that they’re in the know or somehow it will be good for the economy or may be it will solve their own personal problems. Solving a small portion of the populations’ personal technological problems is not to be equated with market demands. That’s simply not economics, that is irresponsible.
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July 23, 2010 10:06am
gazzmaniac

You are quite right, if there was the big market for ultrafast broadband then the telcos would be building the infrastructure, not lobbying the government to build it for them.
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July 23, 2010 10:09am
Pete George

The Dems will go backwards in the mid-term elections later this year, the only question is how much. It’s a moot point as to how much they can pin blame on the GOP for leaving them such a financial mess.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, released in late June, found that Americans are angry at both the Republican and Democratic parties for the economy, but they continue to blame the GOP slightly more than the Democrats for the country’s current economic woes.

Fifty-three percent said they are angry at both parties; only 7 percent are angry only at the Democrats and 9 percent are angry only at Republicans.

But that’s not necessarily good news for the Democrats, since an anti-incumbent mood tends to hurt the party with more incumbents.

Can Obama sell Democrats’ legislative victories?

An uphill task even for the best of Presidents, so it’ll be interesting to see how much Obama can save.
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July 23, 2010 10:10am
MikeNZ

It’s a media beat up.
Just a wicked plot by academics to provide evidence of what counsellors already know.

Nice Trolling Pete. No comment or opinion from you again.
I guess you’re waiting for others so you can look all caring an informative whilst asking “questions”.
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July 23, 2010 10:12am
MikeNZ

Meanwhile
Hezbullah is ready for war, now they just need to get UNFIL out of the way.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?msg=commentsaved&n=hezbollah-sows-anti-french-sentiments-in-lebanon-2010-07-20

They’ve used the Hudna (temporary ceasefire to rebuild like this.
http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/07/08/intelligence-maps-how-hezbollah-uses-lebanese-villages-as-military-bases-7-july-2010/

And a lovely reconstruction of the Gaza Flotilla debacle.
http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin/2010/07/mavi-marmara-timeline.html
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July 23, 2010 10:13am
MikeNZ

What a crock of shit!
Hasn’t this guy heard about personal responsibility and consequences.
He’s clearly a liberal progressive educated moron.
It almost makes you ashamed of our education system that we can produce someone as clueless as this.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/3948913/Cutting-off-net-pirates-could-be-fatal
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July 23, 2010 10:15am
Pete George

MikeTroll, what do you call your post that immediately follows your criticism? What is your opinion of Hezbullah? What are your comments on the Gaza Flotilla? Don’t answer, it’s a bit obvious, every day, every week, every month.

At least I vary topics I introduce. You can choose to add to them or ignore them.
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July 23, 2010 10:17am
MikeNZ

Thanks Fala
I had assumed (wrongly of course) that it was the Government wanting to control the process so we wouldn’t get stiffed by the Telcos any more 🙂
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July 23, 2010 10:19am
Murray

Who the fuck are YOU calling troll petey.
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July 23, 2010 10:25am
krazykiwi

More evidence of the naivety of the economic left:

The next big task of financial reform: dismantling Fannie and Freddie

DIAGNOSIS is often much simpler than treatment. The failures of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, America’s housing-finance giants, are glaringly obvious. The two firms, which own or guarantee more than half of the country’s $10.7 trillion of mortgages, are awash in red ink. The Congressional Budget Office reckoned in August 2009 that the twosome’s cost to taxpayers could go as high as $400 billion. With housing showing renewed weakness, that number may rise.

Although everybody agrees on the need to overhaul Fannie and Freddie, nobody is rushing to do much about it. America’s thumping financial-reform bill, which was signed into law by Barack Obama on July 21st, found room in its 2,319 pages to create “Offices of Minority and Women Inclusion” in various federal agencies, but did nothing on Fannie and Freddie.

Disgraceful.
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July 23, 2010 10:30am
Johnboy

“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye?”

Matthew 7:4/Johnboy.
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July 23, 2010 10:30am
jinpy

MikeNZ,

Video 3, how do you know all of it’s real?
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July 23, 2010 10:31am
MikeNZ

Pete
You really behave like a wanker some days, why don’t you read all the comments explaining the links.
If you don’t like being called out, don’t do it?
Troller

How about this one then, just another liberal wishy washy media story line
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660630
Personally why should the Police have to wait for someone to pull the trigger before responding.
If you point a firearm at someone you should expect to be shot.
You only point a firearm if you are going to use it, Duh!
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July 23, 2010 10:34am
MikeNZ

Jnpy
of course it isn’t, it was made by operatives of Mossad’s global media and disinformation unit.
But it’s nicely done isn’t it 🙂
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July 23, 2010 10:35am
MikeNZ

Johnboy
I need a crane some days, don’t know about others 🙂
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July 23, 2010 10:36am
Pete George

Murray, note Johnboy’s quote. Mike accused my, I pointed out his own habits. But yeah, accusing someone of being a troll is a bit meaningless here. It’s just a lazy name for disagreement.
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July 23, 2010 10:37am
MikeNZ

KrazyKiwi

good link.
I listened to that Liar Obama yet again blaming the previous administration for the USA’s financial state yesterday.
What a plonker.
He cleverly forgets that it was the Dems who forced the market to load money to people who didn’t qualify and would never be able to pay back over time by legislation and aiding their corrupt mates at Freddy and Fanny.
They set up the USA for this and the people are starting to get it.
I almost believe the conspiracy nuts that it was the Bilderbergers or whatever to break the nation so they could take over, I mean the democratic Party can’t be that dumb surely?.
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July 23, 2010 10:42am
Johnboy

Just filling in till Kris gets here guys. Hope that’s alright. 🙂
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July 23, 2010 10:42am
MikeNZ

Ohh Petey boy
Are we upset, come to mumma, did the bad boys really say that to you.
Stop your trolling big boy at least make an effort.
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July 23, 2010 10:44am
jinpy

MikeNZ,
just like TV…
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July 23, 2010 10:47am
Pete George

Video 3, how do you know all of it’s real?

Or just as pertinent, how do you know it is complete.

ANDREW BREITBART MAKING EXCUSES AS FAST AS HE CAN

Breitbart posted a video of an edited part of an interview of Shirley Sherrod claiming it was racist:

The former Georgia director of rural development was compelled to resign Monday after a brief video surfaced showing her telling a story to an NAACP audience about how she once withheld support to a white farmer. Vilsack said he, not the White House, urged her to resign. The NAACP also initially condemned her.

What the clip did not show was the rest of the story, in which Sherrod said she eventually grew close to the white farmer and helped him and his wife save their farm. She explained that the story, set 24 years ago, was meant to show how she learned to look beyond the issue of race.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/22/sherrod-says-inclined-turn-outreach-job-usda/

In the meantime Sherrod has lost her job due to threatened exposure by Glen Beck over the fallout video. O’Reilly, Beck and others are backtracking, denying complicity and apologising for giving the smear legs.

The moral (that probably won’t be learned by most people) is to be skeptical of any news, especially smear news. There are a lot of deviants out there.
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July 23, 2010 10:51am
Pete George

Mike, do you post anything here apart from:
– trying to solicit votes for a tiny minority party?
– trying to trash anything that doesn’t adhere to a narrow minority religious view?

Your preaching and leeching is a bit hypocritical.
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July 23, 2010 11:04am
cha

Righteous Among the Nations of the World.

Jerzy Bielecki is in the news.
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July 23, 2010 11:05am
jcuknz

Falafulu Fisi … the mad lemming like rush to extinction …http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html?th&emc=th … aided on many groups by human laziness as they simply press the reply button and repeat the reply to the reply to the reply ad infinitum. With broad band permitting them to do it quicker.
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July 23, 2010 11:07am
MikeNZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660588

The New Zealand Mental Health Survey by the University of Otago in Christchurch has found that people identifying themselves as gay, lesbian, bisexual or having had same-sex encounters are more likely to have experienced events such as sexual assault and violence in the home as children.

Go ask the counsellors and they say “we’ve known this for years, imprinting is imprinting”.

But we still get the old canard from Rainbow Wellington.
“Most of the research I have seen suggests that you are, in fact, born into a particular orientation.”

However the academic says in the article.

Study researcher, Associate Professor Elisabeth Wells, said the more adverse events experienced in childhood, the more likely someone was to belong to one of the groups other than heterosexual.

That makes sense to me as the original consensus (before the homosexual lobby got stuck into the APA in the USA in the 1970’s and changed the DSM through emotional terror) was that it was an immature imprinting of sexuality and could be counseled.

These links are worth reading if you are sincerely interested.
http://www.narth.com/docs/TheTrojanCouchSatinover.pdf
http://www.narth.com/docs/nothardwired.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
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July 23, 2010 11:07am
Pete George

The research highlights how little has been known, and is still unknown, about the causes of homosexual inclination. To make judgements based on 2-3000 year old writings is dangerous – ostracising and condemning homosexuals or anyone at risk of homosexual behaviour may be more likely to push them to further.

Put another way, unchristianness may beget unchristianness.
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July 23, 2010 11:15am
MikeNZ

So Pete now it’s attack the man.
Thank you for confirming that I did hit home on the trolling with you.
So Stop It!
How about apologise for it?
No, progressives don’t do apologies do they.

As for ACT – You clearly don’t wash your ears in the morning do you?
I am on record that I would be a natural National supporter but I don’t trust them to stay true to NZ and it’s people but would go Labour Lite and continue dragging us down.
Hence I voted my party vote for ACT as they were the only party who could hand hold National to do what was right.
Sadly I have been proved correct.

Mores the point if you search Kiwiblog you’ll find that part of me would vote Green on energy but not their nutty social stuff, Labour for some stuff, National for some stuff and ACT for others.

Sadly we can’t vote for the issues but parties at present, though DPF did do a post or link on being able to recall your vote in the term which I found thought provoking.

I am of the opinion that the bigger the Govt the Smaller the citizen – Dennis Prager
So don’t like National just continuing on in Labour’s vein.
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July 23, 2010 11:17am
MikeNZ

Pete you are such a pillock aren’t you.
All those links are in the last few years.
Duh!

now who’s on his hobby horse?
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July 23, 2010 11:18am
MikeNZ

Pete George (5,996) Says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am

I wasn’t on to this one, Funny how OB1 canned her without finding out all the story?
Does that show him and his people as shallow and insulting, What do you think the MSM will say?

Did she really say that she “helped her own people” and didn’t others?
Isn’t that what humans do?
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July 23, 2010 11:22am
Pete George

Has something hit home Mike?

I don’t feel that I have anything to apologise for. I don’t know who I should have to apologise to. DPF? There’s no indication that is necessary.

So Stop It!

Stop what? You need to be more specific. Do you want me to stop posting here? Or to not post when you want your posts to get more attention? Or are there certain topics you don’t want me to post about? Stop posting on things you disagree with? Should only certain styles of prose be acceptable here? You started this niggle. “Trolling” is meaningless. Say what it is you really mean.

I’ve got no idea what you are on about at 11:18.
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July 23, 2010 11:24am
RightNow

Justin Marshall the other day was reported as saying the cost of living in NZ is ‘really expensive’.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659963

Why? First, we have big government. That’s most of the problem, the public servants have to be paid, and that money can only come from the private sector, and they have to increase the cost of goods and services to foot the bill.
Then we have rising minimum wage levels which, while they ensure income levels for a lot of workers, add to the cost of goods and services.
Soon we’ll be having an increase in GST, as well as additional costs due to the ETS.

Simply put, a high cost of living is unavoidable with our generous welfare state, extensive bureaucracy etc. And it’s only going to get worse (especially with two socialist parties as our main government choices).
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July 23, 2010 11:25am
MikeNZ

Cha
Thanks for that link, it’s a good reminder that we have it so good compared to others experiences.
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July 23, 2010 11:30am
RightNow

Pete: “The moral (that probably won’t be learned by most people) is to be skeptical of any news”

I’m in total agreement. I don’t think any mainstream news is trustworthy, from the liberal media to the conservative, journalism has reached some very low depths, with no sign they’re going to stop digging. The Journolist expose will hopefully bring some sunlight to the ‘profession’. Even in NZ we’ve seen some pretty shonky behaviour.
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July 23, 2010 11:31am
krazykiwi

@RightNow 11:25 – Bullseye. We have >80% of the popular vote committed to socialism and, more importantly, the politicians are addicted to its factional vote-buying power.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage
— Source.
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July 23, 2010 11:34am
Put it away

Pete are you really that dim that you can’t understand Mike’s 11:18 or are you just trolling ? He posts a bunch of links to scientific research about the causes of homosexuality, you reply about “judgement based on 2-3000 year old writings is dangerous –”, he points out that “All those links are in the last few years.”

Which part was too complicated for you Pete ?
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July 23, 2010 11:36am
RightNow

krazy, I’m of the opinion that the US has already reached their tipping point of over inflated government with vested interests.

I was interested with this opinion piece that the real conflict between the Tea party and the NAACP is actually because NAACP wants bigger government (with more positive discrimination, and clearly more government funding) while the Tea party wants to shrink government.
“The NAACP and its numerous allies have for decades led the charge to expand government power, including intruding into areas once considered absolutely off-limits to local government, let alone Washington. Tea Partiers are not libertarians, but they’ve had enough with government power run amok.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/what_the_naacptea_party_battle.html
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July 23, 2010 11:53am
Pete George

I wasn’t referring to those links PIA, I haven’t had time or inclination to read through all those links from Mike’s database yet. I was talking in general terms.

But I did read this:

NARTH MISSION STATEMENT

We respect the right of all individuals to choose their own destiny. NARTH is a professional, scientific organization that offers hope to those who struggle with unwanted homosexuality. As an organization, we disseminate educational information, conduct and collect scientific research, promote effective therapeutic treatment, and provide referrals to those who seek our assistance.

NARTH upholds the rights of individuals with unwanted homosexual attraction to receive effective psychological care and the right of professionals to offer that care. We welcome the participation of all individuals who will join us in the pursuit of these goals.

7. On the Causes of Homosexuality
There is no such thing as a “gay gene” and there is no evidence to support the idea that homosexuality is simply genetic.

What We Offer

NARTH’s primary goal is to make effective psychological therapy available to all homosexual men and women who seek change.

NARTH seem convinced rather than open minded on one position on the cause of homosexuality.

And their aim seems to be to convert the sinners.
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July 23, 2010 11:57am
cha

Bad day at work for this bloke. Moral of the story, don’t piss the elephant off.
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July 23, 2010 11:59am
Pete George

More on NARTH

National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), formerly National Association for Research and Treatment of Homosexuality, is a non-profit organization that offers conversion therapy and other regimens intended to change the sexual orientation of individuals who experience unwanted sexual attraction to members of the same sex. NARTH’s leaders describe their organization as “dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality.

In a legal brief submitted to the supreme court of the state of California, the American Psychological Association, California Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated that no major mental health professional organization has sanctioned efforts to change sexual orientation and many have adopted policy statements cautioning the profession and the public about treatments that purport to change sexual orientation.

The American Psychological Association and the Royal College of Psychiatrists expressed concerns that the positions espoused by NARTH are not supported by the science and create an environment in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish.

(Wikipedia)
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July 23, 2010 12:05pm
MikeNZ

Sorry Pete, Can’t let that stand.
You have cherry picked one thing that supports your world view, probably because you have just skimmed looking for ammo.

Read the links I gave and follow their links into the source docs if you choose.
I would warn you it is a tortuous process as there is a ton of articles and papers running back decades and from different levels of academia and psychiatry/psychology/medicine.

The first link shows the history of the political/lsocio war the homosexual lobby has run in and through both the APA’s into the ordinary world of us lessor beings.

Key word is unwanted homosexuality in your cherry pick, but I guessed you missed that.
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July 23, 2010 12:12pm
jinpy

Still a majority of homosexuals are not abused, so there’s still room for a homosexual to be born. It doesn’t follow that because some homosexuals are abused (and more often than in the general population) that this causes all homosexuality.
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July 23, 2010 12:12pm
Pete George

No Mike, I highlighted my cherry pick:

The American Psychological Association and the Royal College of Psychiatrists expressed concerns that the positions espoused by NARTH are not supported by the science and create an environment in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish.

I’ll have a look at the links, but NARTH seem to be a Christian backed organisation who think the abomination of homosexuality can be cured. So my 2-3000 yr old document basis may stand anyway.
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July 23, 2010 12:17pm
MikeNZ

Krazy
Thanks for the quote I’d not read it before and what an interesting site that sourcelink is.
http://www.lorencollins.net/freecomic/

I’m not a comic buff apart from the old Look and Learn (The Trigan Empire) when I find them on Trademe.

It was a social convention when I was a kid (London 60’s) to send you to play with a friend who had measles or chicken pox and we had to take comic as a gift.
I remember I loved reading my sisters Judy as well as my brothers and my Victors, Dandy etc.

What have been the big NZ comics here?
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July 23, 2010 12:23pm
RightNow

The UN Secretariat, she says, is “drifting into irrelevance”. http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/07/take-your-pick.html

Not fast enough.

“It is a corrupt, ineffective and thoroughly unaccountable organisation. Anyone who thinks we could or should do business with it is either barking mad, stupid or corrupt, ineffective and thoroughly unaccountable.”

Who does that remind me of?
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July 23, 2010 12:24pm
dad4justice

Who does Helen work for? Hi Peter xx
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July 23, 2010 12:37pm
Caleb

PeteG is the new PhilU
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July 23, 2010 12:38pm
Pete George

Caleb, do you think homosexuality can be cured? Say, like alcoholism?
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July 23, 2010 12:58pm
MikeNZ

Just a nice little question Caleb.
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July 23, 2010 1:10pm
tom hunter

I don’t know how many of you have ever seen the original Talking Heads video of Same As It Ever Was, but you just have to check out this brilliant riff on Obama:

And You May Ask Yourself: How Did I Get Here?
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July 23, 2010 1:17pm
Redbaiter

“The moral (that probably won’t be learned by most people) is to be skeptical of any news, especially smear news. There are a lot of deviants out there.”

Especially anything posted by Pete George, who’s almost 100% wrong in everything he posts, (including and especially the subject post) and like most of the extreme left, is always willing to smear other posters without a shred of evidence.

Don’t talk to me about morals you odious creep. You and your lot forgot what the word meant more than half a century ago.
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July 23, 2010 1:27pm
Nefarious

Caleb, do you think homosexuality can be cured? Say, like alcoholism?

From what I hear it is terminal. All the beef injections in the world didn’t save Freddy Mercury.
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July 23, 2010 1:34pm
RightNow

Paraphrasing that popular old saying:
It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and NIWA has to hold a bake sale to buy a supercomputer
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July 23, 2010 1:36pm
Rex Widerstrom

tom hunter:

That’s a brilliant video! We need more pointed political satire in NZ. I don’t care whether it’s politically biased, like The Daily Show, or just attacks everyone, like The Chaser. But when our idea of “funny political discourse” is immature sniggering about “a lady with a moustache!” it’s clear there’s a gap in the market.

I seem to recall there was a guy doing amusing animations before the last election (though with a left wing bias so heavy that it weighed against the humour value) but even that seems to have disappeared.
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July 23, 2010 1:54pm
krazykiwi

I agree with Rex. Thanks tom … great stuff!
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July 23, 2010 2:29pm
krazykiwi

@RightNow 1:36 – that great day will be during the next ice age that their supercomputer didn’t predict, and when hell has frozen over.
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July 23, 2010 2:36pm
tom hunter

Rex

What’s also impressive about such things is that it was done with some piece of software (probably not Flash, looks tto good for that), plus singing tracks – all of it probably done on a single computer (Garageband+toon generator+iMovie on a Mac?). I know there’s a GOP group behind it, but the point is that they did not need Pixar to do this.

There’s going to be a lot more of this as the technology skills move forward – even my 13 year old is having a crack at doing this sort of stuff.

It really is part of the whole Army Of Davids thing – but in politics.
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July 23, 2010 2:37pm
k.jones

Pete – you’re made of stronger stuff than most. heaps o freaks here today
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July 23, 2010 3:03pm
Rex Widerstrom

Ugh, Flash. Adobe should be strung up for peddling that piece of crap as a cross-platform multimedia delivery panacea. It’s impossible to learn (and I spend a lot of my time editing digital video!), full of security holes, and is an ugly piece of bloatware.

I agree tom, probably done on a Mac, but by people who know what they’re doing (the audio mix is superb, for instance) and with either very talented volunteers or at least some paid input (I’m thinking particularly of the vocals, which sound professional… unless they’ve been AutoTuned 😀 )

That video is very clever, but satire doesn’t have to rely on technology. After all the most famous Chaser skit required only a couple of black limos and an Arab costume that would have looked tacky on one of the three wise men in a school nativity play.

And an Army of Davids? I’m not sure we’re ready for Key to clone Farrar quite yet. Besides, I think the secret underground VRWC lab is busy keeping McCully alive. I mean was there ever a time that guy wasn’t in Parliament? I think if you look closely you’ll see he’s in the background of a portrait of Seddon.
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July 23, 2010 3:10pm
tom hunter

And an Army of Davids?….

Heh – I did not even make that connection when I placed the link – but that’s probably just an example of the workings of the VRWC chip that DPF planted in my brain – at birth 😉
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July 23, 2010 3:28pm
RightNow

I thought DPF was expelled from the VRWC.
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July 23, 2010 3:32pm
tom hunter

It’s a ruse – I’m still receiving the signals!
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July 23, 2010 3:48pm
Falafulu Fisi

Tom said…
I know there’s a GOP group behind it, but the point is that they did not need Pixar to do this.

That’s an excellent animation from that link. Pixar pioneered the use of wavelet technology in mid to late 1990s in the production of animated films as Bug’s Life and Toy Story, but today, it is common place in its use. Here is a brief on using wavelets in animated films by Pixar:

WAVELETS: SEEING THE FOREST AND THE TREES

I am sure that the producer/s of the animation in the song get access to wavelet-based animation tool or perhaps they develop it themselves.
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July 23, 2010 3:55pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Still waiting for Redbaiter to comment on FOX “we don’t report news we make it up” News and Andrew Breitbart.
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July 23, 2010 5:10pm
Manolo

Some of these MPs, including the Speaker, do not have the balls to express a personal opinion. They are just puppets toeing the party line. Cowards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCP5go8KYco&feature=player_embedded#!
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July 23, 2010 5:10pm
Pete George

Especially anything posted by Pete George, who’s almost 100% wrong in everything he posts, (including and especially the subject post) and like most of the extreme left, is always willing to smear other posters without a shred of evidence.

He whimpers without a shred of evidence. As usual.

The evidence against NARTH seems quite strong.
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July 23, 2010 5:27pm
Redbaiter

“He whimpers without a shred of evidence. As usual.”

Where was the evidence behind your allegation, along with a few other similarly gutless and amoral Progressives, that I was a dole bludger? That you made this allegation is all the evidence I need, and its all the evidence any objective person would need. Just like almost every other leftist here, you can’t argue on the issues, so cowardly smears are your preferred strategy.
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July 23, 2010 5:49pm
Pete George

you can’t argue on the issues, so cowardly smears are your preferred strategy.

Jeez, back to this, I thought things had become a bit more positive, but back to type.

It is presumably a deliberate strategy to accuse of exactly what you are doing yourself. Your attempts are that vague I can’t even tell what you are trying to refer to. Maybe you don’t even know, it’s just blanket smears. Ok, taken as such. Yawn.

Aahhh, just realised, DPF is away so you think you can take over his blog. Haha.
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July 23, 2010 6:01pm
Redbaiter

“you think you can take over his blog”

Six thousands posts in such a short time and I’m taking it over?? Get a fucking life.
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July 23, 2010 6:25pm
Pete George

Checking one of Mike’s “science”links on causes of homosexuality:

http://www.narth.com/docs/nothardwired.html claims
“Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired,” Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project

However this is what Dr Collins has to say about it:

It troubles me greatly to learn that anything I have written would cause anguish for you or others who are seeking answers to the basis of homosexuality. The words quoted by NARTH all come from the Appendix to my book “The Language of God” (pp. 260-263), but have been juxtaposed in a way that suggests a somewhat different conclusion that I intended. I would urge anyone who is concerned about the meaning to refer back to the original text.

The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable.

Major Geneticist Francis Collins Responds to NARTH Article
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July 23, 2010 6:27pm
tom hunter

More humor to end the day, but to enjoy the following you have to be aware of this quote from the cozy little email interchange that was all these journalists on the Journolist. The following is from one Spencer Ackerman, advising his other “reporter” mates about how to steer the narrative away from Obama and pastor of 20 years – Reverend Wright:

…..In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window……

I’ll leave it to Iowahawk’s tweets: as he imagines several movie taglines that could be made from this, with a few of my favourites quoted:

Ackerman is ACTIONMAN in… PLATE GLASS OF FURY

Ackerman is out for revenge in PLATE GLASSASSIN III: This Time It’s Political

Ackerman doubles the pain in… DOUBLE PANE

Spencer Ackerman is… LICENSED TO SNARK

Ackerman is out for metaphoric blood in… ENTER THE DOUCHEBAG

And my personal fave:

Nobody crosses Ackerman… nobody: BRING ME THE HEAD OF MICHAEL BARONE
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July 23, 2010 6:32pm
Pete George

Another of Mikes links: http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

Quite lengthy, but from what I see in it this one sounds mostly reasonable – it seems to be saying there are multiple complex reasons behind any behaviours including homosexuality. It sums up:

As we have seen, there is no evidence that homosexuality is simply “genetic”–and none of the research itself claims there is.

I haven’t seen any scientist claim solely genetics – I don’t think any behaviour is solely genetics.

I also agree with the comment on media highlighting one factor which distorts – I’ve just seen that happening on TV3 on the latest research – the item highlights abuse as a causal factor, but the researchers stress that most homosexuals were not abused as described in the headlines.
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July 23, 2010 6:35pm
Johnboy

So Petty George. The truth is out of the closet at last.

Pink by politics and even pinker by sexuality.

You are a faggot and you are trying to take over this blog on behalf of poofters everywhere while Davy is off on his hols.

Thank God that the right wing forces of good are aware of your dastardly plan.

Begone evil arse bandit else you feel the red hot poker of the Black Monks of Narth up your fundamental.

[DPF: And that is 50 demerits. And thst is getting off lightly]
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July 23, 2010 6:40pm
Johnboy

Love the PolitiZoid videos by they way TH. 🙂

Many happy hours of viewing ahead of me while the wife is watching the Living Channel.

Thank you for the link.
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July 23, 2010 6:44pm
Rex Widerstrom

Change of topic from teh homoz for a moment if we may…

Julia Gillard proposes tackling climate change by way of a “citizens’ assembly” consisting of scientists and ordinary people who’d double check the scientist’s predictions and be aware of the real world effects of any proposals to sign up to an ETS etc.

A citizens’ assembly being, of course, a favourite method of Green Parties worldwide (including here in NZ) of working towards consensus on issues. They’re something which, with some reservations, I support.

So faced with this consultative and democratic idea to allow ordinary people to have some input into laws that will affect their livelihoods as well as the planet on which they (and not just scientists and greenies) live, how do environmental groups react?

By being “appalled”.

I should note for the record the Australian Greens haven’t (so far) come out in opposition to the idea, and that the nannyists consist of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Australian Conservation Foundation, political group Get Up!, Australian Youth Climate Coalition, Nature Conservation Council and Climate Action Network Australia.

Hopefully Australians who actually believe their opinions count for something now know where not to send their donations.
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July 23, 2010 7:13pm
Pete George

Johnboy:
a) you have absolutely no way of knowing that
b) you are totally wrong
c) you are the one abusing decency and DPF’s absence with the tone and content of your accusations
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July 23, 2010 7:22pm
Pete George

Julia Gillard proposes tackling climate change by way of a “citizens’ assembly” consisting of scientists and ordinary people who’d double check the scientist’s predictions and be aware of the real world effects of any proposals to sign up to an ETS etc.

Good, I hope she follows through with that. It will call the bullshit on both sides of the argument, and should help the debate here too. And sounds like it has already called out some green bullshit.
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July 23, 2010 7:24pm
Kris K

Johnboy, Johnboy, Johnboy – when will you learn?
Demerit virginity must seem like a distant memory by now …

I know it’s hard to ignore Petey, but you really must try harder – I’ve almost perfected the technique, although occassionally I revert to my ‘old nature’. I usually pray for forgiveness when I do slip, and then I return to the “narrow way” where I can get on with more important things.

My condolences.
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July 23, 2010 7:45pm
Shunda barunda

I feel fat again.
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July 23, 2010 7:56pm
Haiku Dave

bow down before the
het-ro-sex-shall spaghetti
monster or you die!
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July 23, 2010 8:24pm
Shunda barunda

Will it cure my feelings of fatness?
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July 23, 2010 8:47pm
Hurf Durf

I’ll give Gizzard credit – she’s a shrewd chick. Abbott will probably lose this one, unfortunately. I wonder what Krudd must be thinking right now?

It hasn’t stopped the Dems realising it’s a load of shit and dropping it like a stone though.

What a shame. Snort.
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July 23, 2010 9:22pm
Put it away

Newsflash – homosexuality linked to boxing. Turns out most homosexuals have been pumelled all round the ring.
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July 23, 2010 9:22pm
Johnboy

No worries Kris.

Its pretty obvious that certain people round here wouldn’t recognise someone taking the piss if they slipped and fell over in the puddle.

They are obviously not too familiar with Blackadder2 and the Bishop of Bath and Wells. 🙂

I will just have to get used to altering my natural sense of humour when commenting here to make it acceptable to the censor.
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July 23, 2010 9:44pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

johnboy, thou shoudst knowest that there is no more protected beast on this blog than the gay homosexual and his host.
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July 23, 2010 10:05pm
reid

Besides, I think the secret underground VRWC lab is busy keeping McCully alive. I mean was there ever a time that guy wasn’t in Parliament? I think if you look closely you’ll see he’s in the background of a portrait of Seddon.

Interesting observation Rex. Which given his influence over Key + the influence over Key which others also share who also have similar life experience e.g. Power: i.e. nothing outside of Parliament, makes me wonder if the Nats’ inexplicable mis-moves re: ETS, mining, smacking, world-cup et al, aren’t perhaps sheeted back to them and them alone. Life in Parliament is in a bubble. Real life: i.e. us, don’t exist.

We complained all the time about Liarbore’s lack of real-life experience. You could say exactly the same about most of the Nats most senior MPs.
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July 23, 2010 10:26pm
Sonny Blount

Still waiting for Redbaiter to comment on FOX “we don’t report news we make it up” News and Andrew Breitbart.

Why do you include FOX news? Make sure you get your facts correct Robert.
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July 24, 2010 1:17am
Redbaiter

“Make sure you get your facts correct Robert.”

He’s never got his facts right. He’s a fucken progressive media sucking idiot which is why I’m not bothered with his shit.

But on this issue, the so called Conservative media in the US are so many cowards. They should never have backed down on this. Breitbart was right, and so is Rush Limbaugh, and long or short video it makes fuck all difference. The woman is a racist. The NAACP is racist. They’re fascist too, asking that the government shut down FOX news and Breitbart. Just fucking communist divisive scum and they need to be confronted every time and never ever apologised to.

Backing down to this bunch of clowns and racists and fascists? What a joke. Just before this they forced the banning of one of those talking christmas cards because they mistook the phrase “black holes” for “black hoes”. Just divisive racist dumbarses not worth spit.
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July 24, 2010 2:05am
Pete George

I detect more the a little hypocrisy. Does the disparagement of journalistic standards only apply when it suits your agenda?

I understand why Breitbart has Jonathan Chait, among others, up in arms about conservative pseudo-journalism. But what I find disheartening about this Andrew Breitbart business isn’t what it says so much about conservative journalism as about the sorry state of journalism period. Not the way it’s practiced (or malpracticed) by any one group or individual, but how the very notion of journalism as a real profession, with even minimal standards of conduct and ethics, has evaporated.

Breitbart’s decision to run with the video was without question appalling. But there have always been madmen, charlatans, and assholes in this business. Arguably more outrageous is that, even having been exposed as either a total scumbag or a fool, he will almost certainly suffer no serious or lasting repercussions.

Breitbart isn’t employed by an institution in a position to fire him. He operates with absolutely no oversight and no accountability.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/76493/the-end-andrew-breitbart

The internet has strengths – one is to enable much wider scrutiny of public matters and of the media. And it has weaknesses – for example, it’s too easy for cowboys to hit and run. Maybe that should read Cowardboys.
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July 24, 2010 7:03am
Pete George

Limbaugh seems to be putting himself out on a very weak limb on the Breitbart video release.

I’m surprised to see this commentator presumably included in “the so called Conservative media in the US are so many cowards. ”

When we finally did it address it on this program, I took her side. Unlike what The New York Times said today, I only took her side after the transcript was available. No, no — I asked for the transcript to be released and people be allowed to see it.

It was unfair to have a woman tell a story of something that happened 24 years ago and not include her telling of the pivot point.

I don’t know much about this woman. What I do know is that digging into a person’s past to show how bad they are without showing their pivot point — if they have one, if they have one — is inexcusable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,597545,00.html

Why is this story important here? We are in an era of media where it is very easy to get sucked into hit jobs by the unaccountable, they are being deliberately inaccurate, hoping to do damage – using an over eager media not wanting to miss the next scandal – before truth and reason comes out.
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July 24, 2010 7:21am
krazykiwi

Think I posted this book reference a few days ago. I’ve found a Google Books version, with preview of the first 70 pages.

The Great Depression Ahead- How to Prosper in the Debt Crisis of 2010-2012

This chap uses demographic and historic consumption/innovation cycles to predict trends. He stood virtually alone predicting the 90’s boom, the Japanese slide and the Global Financial Crisis.

What’s ahead for property and stock investments thru until 2018? Read, critique and learn!
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