General Debate 22 July 2010

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Don the Kiwi

What!!????

Who………me ?
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July 22, 2010 8:05am
Don the Kiwi

Its a shitty wet old day here in Tauranga, but I’ve still gotta go to work.
Just as well I’ve got an insdie job for the next few days.
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July 22, 2010 8:06am
dad4justice

Talking about the weather, we had an inch in two days on the Cantab farm. Shit I must move back to the Coast for the dry spells? Water level is that frigging high my lawn mower just floated away down the roaring creek. Where do you buy life jackets? 🙂
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July 22, 2010 8:18am
SouthernRight

hang on to that inch or two in Cantab before those greedy Fonterra and Chinese funded dairy milk nazis use it to fill their pockets with money and your rivers with sh**
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July 22, 2010 8:24am
Murray

d4j you are LYING!!!! Niwa has a brand new super computer that says gorebull warming is real… so there.
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July 22, 2010 8:26am
dad4justice

Indeed one needs a mortgage to buy a block of cheese nowadays. Thanks Fonterra Mr Wong Type Rip Off Creeps!!!!! Where have all the fucking sheep gone John Boy Wee? Hey kiwi why not try growing some braincells? Yeah right, duhland,
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July 22, 2010 8:26am
alex Masterley

Wet up here in the north too!
As if we needed any more.
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July 22, 2010 8:37am
Pete George

Synlait tried to raise capital on the local stock market but wasn’t supported, hence the need to get foreign capital. If we want growth we have to be prepared to invest ourselves or accept increasing levels of foreign ownership.
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July 22, 2010 8:44am
Captain Neurotic

The Capital is depressingly wet also…

….eh…?
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July 22, 2010 8:45am
MikeNZ

One man got pinged for pointing a firearm at cops who attended a possible burglar call at his house as he thought they were intruders.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3943072/Firearm-the-wrong-choice-judge-tells-homeowner

“Mr Graves chose a firearm. The primary purpose of firearms is to kill at a distance.

“If there is a moral in this then it is `don’t resort to using a weapon’.

“Mr Graves would not have been convicted if he had chosen a baseball bat.”

Outside court Graves said he was unhappy with the decision.

“The judgment says a man can no longer consider his house his castle.

“I told the police it was my house and I could do what I liked in it.”

I’m interested in why would Mr Graves had not been convicted if he had used a baseball bat?
At what point did he know they were police?
Why was he convicted of assault unless he committed that?

It appears all the info isn’t here mores the pity.
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July 22, 2010 8:52am
MikeNZ

Depressingly wet Captain?, it is pissing down.
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July 22, 2010 8:52am
Falafulu Fisi

Pete said…
Synlait tried to raise capital on the local stock market but wasn’t supported, hence the need to get foreign capital. If we want growth we have to be prepared to invest ourselves or accept increasing levels of foreign ownership.

That’s what capitalism is about Pete. You should rise and fall on your own. Take a bet and invest your own money and if it hits gold, then you’re sweet, but if it went wrong, then you lose your investment. You’re all over the place Pete. You doubted capitalism on the other thread on Food Price Speculations last week, now you’re implying that investors shouldn’t speculate the risk but just throw in their money by good faith into Synlait so as to avoid foreign ownership, in which a sane investor wouldn’t invest his/her hard earned dollar simply for that purpose? Don’t you see your self-contradiction here? Or is it the contradiction of socialist ideologies that you so cling tight too, thus ignoring reality? Which one?
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July 22, 2010 9:00am
Brian Smaller

I am all for some rain and mild weather – that means some winter grass growth.
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July 22, 2010 9:01am
Murray

The The primary purpose of an air pistol is not to kill. A baseball bat is more dangerous when used on a human.

The judges reasoning is flawed with factual inaccuracies and I would appeal based on his summing up. If he’d phrased his decision better I would have a problem with it, the guy was a dick to take aim at a cop with a laser sight after they’d identified themselves and he was lucky not to get blown away.

In other countries he couldn’t have expected to live long enough to be charged.
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July 22, 2010 9:11am
Pete George

Falafulu Fisi, I don’t know how you read that into it. Try again, but this time don’t start with the premise that I’m a socialist.

People in NZ complain about (a) lack of growth, and they complain about (b) foreign ownership. If they want (a) then more local investment is necessary, or they have to accept some of (b). That’s nothing to do with socialism.
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July 22, 2010 9:13am
tom hunter

Pete George from yesterday’s GD, but filed this morning:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/07/general_debate_21_july_2010.html#comment-720886

Your point Tom?
Do you prefer everyone keeps up the partisan rancour? Is that better for the US? Political selfishness is more important than country?

My point is that in regard to the recent past – concerning the Democrats partisan treatment of Republican Supreme Court nominees, Mr Durbin’s comparisons of his own country to the regimes of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, and finally the partisan rancour of Dana Millbank – people who trumpet the wonders of bipartisanship in this era of Democrat control of the Senate, Congress and the White House are either profoundly ignorant or deliberately partisan themselves underneath the cloak of being a “moderate”.
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July 22, 2010 9:19am
MikeNZ

Tom
lets just say the dems (and their supporters) are shanks and be done with it. 🙂
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July 22, 2010 9:21am
mawm

Pete George – the volume of the calls for keeping our businesses and industries in local hands, and for local investment, seems to be in an inverse proportion to the ability/willingness of the person making it to do so.
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July 22, 2010 9:30am
Pete George

Tom, you first criticised the source and the writer – it was verbatim quotes of a public speech in the senate, reported in the same words by hundreds of news outlets.

And now you suggest that a glimmer of bipartisan hope should be stamped on because of all the crap – from both sides – in the past.

Dick Durbin acknowledged past stupidity – “During the course of his statement I reflected on some of the things that I have said and how I’ve voted in the past and thought that perhaps his statement suggested there was a better course for many of us to consider in the future.”

You didn’t answer my question, I’ll try again:
Do you prefer everyone keeps up the partisan rancour? Is that better for the US? Political selfishness and arrogance is more important than country?
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July 22, 2010 9:30am
Captain Neurotic

MikeNZ – You’re right, I understated a little!
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July 22, 2010 9:33am
Inventory2

Would you buy a pie from this man?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/would-you-buy.html
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July 22, 2010 9:35am
Murray

Its ok, the bulk of his customers are used to D’s Inv.

Squalid little dive for druken slappers and idiots who are stuck in town when the bars close. He displays pictures of his customers on his window if they expose themselves for him.

Real high class operation.
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July 22, 2010 9:38am
Inventory2

I thought that as soon as I saw that he also sells party pills Murray. Is that the old Central Service Station by The Square?
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July 22, 2010 9:43am
tom hunter

Pete

I would think my answer is implied – but strongly implied – in my response to your ever present questions.

But if you need me to be explicit then I will put it this way – I’ll be more receptive to these calls for bipartisanship from the likes of Mr Durbin and Mr Millbank when they are made in a situation where Republicans control the WH, and possibly the Senate and Congress as well. Would you like some information about how Durbin and Millbank reacted in such situations?

My reading of the recent past is that there will be fat chance of sweet reasonableness in such a situation. CSPAN has it’s video’s of the Bork and Thomas nominations as well as those of Alito and Roberts – perhaps instead of stamping your foot about having your questions answered you should take a trip down memory lane and then come back to talk about whether your fond hopes can still be justified.
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July 22, 2010 9:44am
Murray

Thats him.
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July 22, 2010 9:47am
jcuknz

If people don’t want overseas investors to come in to ‘progress’ our country then they should provide the capital themselves … one solution is to be making bigger deductions via Kiwisaver such as 10% instead of the ridiculous 2% introduced by the Nats. It was also a foolish comment by John Key that we don’t change our rules because of what other countries do. If the Chinese do not permit overseas ownership of their land then it makes sense for us to reciprocate the compliment … instead of always trying the lead the world in freindship and enlightenment. We should be bloddy minded from time to time, instead of stupid minded.
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July 22, 2010 9:48am
Pete George

I’ll be more receptive to these calls for bipartisanship from the likes of Mr Durbin and Mr Millbank when they are made in a situation where Republicans control the WH, and possibly the Senate and Congress as well.

That implies to me that winning at any cost is more important to you than the good of the people and country. Last century arrogance. Supreme rule or won’t play ball – in fact keep trying to puncture the ball.

The GOP would have a much more credible voice on it if they have shown they can do it in opposition too. You know, setting an example, like Lindsey Graham.
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July 22, 2010 9:56am
bearhunter

Murray & IV2: At 3am after several skinfuls in the Celtic, he’s a lifesaver. It’s either his pies of a Golden Takeaways fishburger…
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July 22, 2010 9:59am
Inventory2

Golden Takeways; now you’re talking. That used to be a favourite after a night on the slops at the Empire in its pre-Cobb and Co days 🙂

Sheesh; that ages me!
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July 22, 2010 10:09am
Murray

Don’t lie bear, you’re just there to see if some drunken student will show you her tits in exchange for a ride home.
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July 22, 2010 10:17am
bearhunter

The Empire???? Dear Lord, where desperate men would go to try to pick up the floor-sweepings if they’d crashed and burned at every other bar…
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July 22, 2010 10:17am
bearhunter

@ Murray: OK, you got me. But the pies were good too…
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July 22, 2010 10:19am
side show bob

So the clowns at NIWA have a new supercomputer. I bet the poor thing lives on the edge, shit one politically incorrect answer and it’s off reading number plates on the southern motorway.
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July 22, 2010 10:24am
Nefarious

Murray, if someone broke into your house and when you confronted them in darkness they identified themselves as a police officer would that be good enough for you to drop your guard and put the jug on?

Get fucking real, the pigs have no right to enter the guys property. Like a lot of the soft charges the useless wankers lay, this one is just another injustice. Assault? My arse.
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July 22, 2010 10:28am
103PapPap

Interesting article in today’s New York Times about the socialist President introducing national standards in schools across the USA. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/education/21standards.html?hpw
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July 22, 2010 10:30am
Murray

Nefarious having delt with fairly large numbers of both cops and crims in fact it would go a long way towards me NOT pointing a weapon at someone who could articulate himself in English.

Arsehole crims tend to use languge like “pigs” and call the police “useless wankers” which tends to give them away.

Anyone with any experience in the field will tell you that the mannerisms of the police tend more towards the civilised end of the scale and are easily picked out compared to the bottom feedign scum whose first reaction when you bust them where they are not suposed to be is to get abusive and either run or attack.

Get fucking real yourself, and do try to read up on some elementary property laws and rights of entry, they had probably cause with the broken window and the complaint from the neighbour.
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July 22, 2010 10:33am
Redbaiter

” Niwa has a brand new super computer that says gorebull warming is real… so there.”

Probably programmed by the same people who programmed National. Just put a post up at CR about that actually.
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July 22, 2010 10:36am
Redbaiter

“You know, setting an example, like Lindsey Graham.”

The only example Graham sets in one of treachery. Quite an accurate alternative term for what the elft call “bi-partisanship” actually, especially seeing as a large part of the ideology Progressives subscribe to is unconstitutional.

True bipartisan action by true patriots would see 90% of Democrats and Republicans swing from the lamp posts.
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July 22, 2010 10:39am
tom hunter

The GOP would have a much more credible voice on it if they have shown they can do it in opposition too. You know, setting an example, like Lindsey Graham.

The GOP was in opposition in the House for 40 years, from 1954 to 1994. During that time they were usually in opposition in the Senate as well (I think there were only a couple of majority periods, and those for only a couple of years).

During that time they took the traditional attitude that Graham alluded to, that people nominated by a President should be subject to questions about whether they are qualified to be on the Supreme Court, but not be turned into proxies for a fight in cultural or ideological wars.

That crap started with Edward Kennedy’s speech on nominee Bork, and it has descended from that point on. What Millbank is really asking for is that the two sides play by different rules. What has finally become clear is that the Republicans are not going to play that game any longer and it is perhaps that which is penetrating the skull of Mr Durbin rather than the Graham’s appeal. Of course it could also be this, as pointed out by Ed Whelan in NRO:

Gee, I wonder whether the arch-partisan Durbin—who not only voted against both Roberts and Alito but also voted to filibuster the Alito nomination—was just pandering to Graham. That’s a tough call, don’t you think?

As goes Durbin so goes Millbank.

….it was verbatim quotes of a public speech in the senate, reported in the same words by hundreds of news outlets.

What you quoted was that. What Millbank did in the article you linked to was this sort of crap:

Lindsey Graham is all of 5-foot-7 with his shoes on, but these days he towers above his Senate Republican colleagues.
…..
Graham’s penetrating indictment of the tribal logic that has overtaken his colleagues.
….
Lindsey Graham and his fellow Republicans have different definitions of doing the right thing
….

Etc, etc. Very cute, and very typical of Millbank. Use an appeal for bipartisanship as a chance to do some partisan bashing. You do realise that Millbank is using his praise of Graham as a stalking horse to implicitly condemn the “tribal logic” of well-known hardline, right-wing extremist Republicans such as Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and John McCain – or did his honeyed words so soothe you when you linked to the article that such a thought passed you by? Let’s go to NRO again:

It’s touching that Milbank is so smitten by Graham that he now gives the impression that he thinks that Graham’s position of deference is correct. But I’ve uncovered no signs that Milbank had that view when the nominees were John Roberts and Samuel Alito. And I’d be willing to bet that he won’t hold it the next time there’s a Supreme Court nominee who’s perceived to be conservative.

I’d be willing to bet that too.
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July 22, 2010 10:44am
Nefarious

As the law stands they may have had a legal right of entry, sure come in and check I’m ok and then leave. But to then charge someone who was defending their property with an air pistol? It is a fucking joke.

Arsehole crims? Good to see that you are on top form with the usual redneck shit. You’re a fucking embarassment, the philu of the right wing and you go on the attack against me for my choice of language yet dont seem to fully comprehend the issue.

This guy has been charged and convicted for fuck all, not being a crim, not physically assaulting a police officer (is that better you pretentious, prejudice fat fuck?) and not posing any risk to the public.

But I guess he should be locked up for life and so should I because obviously with my lack of respect for the police force I am unsuitable for society?
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July 22, 2010 10:51am
Pete George

What Millbank is really asking for is that the two sides play by different rules.

Seems to be your approach too. Self-righteousness/bad-lefteousness.

Graham isn’t on his own.

GOP’s Lugar to support Kagan for Supreme Court

Mr. Lugar said he carefully followed Ms. Kagan’s confirmation hearing testimony and the debate about her nomination, including recommendations from his constituents, and concluded that she clearly is qualified to serve on the high court.

I prefer to applaud current positives rather than dwell on past negatives.
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July 22, 2010 10:58am
Murray

You don’t have the sligtest clue of what the law is but you want to make legal judgements based on your ignorance and you think calling the police “pigs” is clever. You’ve read what i worte in which I argued the judge was wrong and you abuse me for evidently being in a grement with you. You take issue with me calling crims arseholes. Interesting.

Consequently I’m a “fucking embarasment” and a typical redneck”.

Well if havinga respect for the law, making informed comment and thinking professional criminals are arseholes makes me a redneck then I say we could you a few more rednecks. You don’t need me to make you look like a dick, you’re doing a great job of that all on your own.
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July 22, 2010 11:02am
MikeNZ

Ok heres the Mid East for some light refreshment.
But a good question too?

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1422/palestinians-in-arab-world

When was the last time the United Nations Security Council met to condemn an Arab government for its mistreatment of Palestinians?

How come groups and individuals on university campuses in the US and Canada that call themselves “pro-Palestinian” remain silent when Jordan revokes the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians?

The plight of Palestinians living in Arab countries in general, and Lebanon in particular, is one that is often ignored by the mainstream media in West
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July 22, 2010 11:16am
tom hunter

Seems to be your approach too. Self-righteousness/bad-lefteousness.

While your approach was to link to Millbank’s article and wrap it between approving comments such as:

Talking of ostracising anyone with opposing views – a glimmer of hope in the Senate?
…
It may be a forlorn hope, or it might be the start of a turning of the tide against partisan anti-countryism

… while at the same time condemning my approach, which you now think may be the same as Millbanks.

Okay. Given that you now think my attitude is of the same low standard as Millbank’s (and presumably Durbin’s) I would like to assume that in your future appeals to bi-partisanship you’ll not be picking Dana Millbank, the Washington Post and Dick Durbin as exemplars of who Graham is appealing to.

But I’m not betting on that either.
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July 22, 2010 11:20am
RightNow

Obama pushing to legislate pay equity:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-07-20-payequity20_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

I expect this will have an outcome not unlike the abolishment of youth rates here in NZ: that women will suddenly find it’s a lot harder to get the job they want, as employers will be worried about possible lawsuits.
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July 22, 2010 11:21am
Nefarious

Where did I state that my opinion was based on legality? Common fucking sense. The “police’s” primary role is to protect the community, not apply the law to the nth degree and instill fear into society. Fear of being unable to protect yourself from others or fear of falling foul of some ridiculous enforcer, judge dredd style.

You think labelling those who have criminal convictions “arsehole scum” and “bottom feeding scum” is acceptable and make a judgement about my character based on my choice of vernacular when questioning whether, you, in that particular situation, would accept based on a statement yelled in darkness that the intruder was in fact a police officer and disarm?

I abuse you for your self important “i’ve been there and done that more than any of you” attitude and pathetic macho posturing on issues of law enforcement, crime and punishment. You are a prejudiced idiot.

the guy was a dick to take aim at a cop with a laser sight after they’d identified themselves and he was lucky not to get blown away.

In other countries he couldn’t have expected to live long enough to be charged.

Perfect example. Would you support that? Private citizens being shot in their own home by overzealous cops?

Do you support the fact the guy was charged and put through the whole court process, including emotional and financial impact on him and his family, the resultant conviction and the cost to the taxpayer to procure a prosecution? Even though you state the judge was wrong to convict?

You state you have respect for the law? Do you mean to say that you uphold ALL laws, even the ridiculous ones that you disagree with? ……TUI
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July 22, 2010 11:32am
MikeNZ

Nef and Murray
I have gone into houses on just the same circumstances with weapon drawn in uniform and plain clothes and have had people point firearms at me.
In all cases but one as soon as they had seen my uniform (with both of us shouting out and peeking round the corner) they put them away and we then “cleared the house” with them to make sure they we safe.
They did not take my word for it that I was a cop until they could see me and rightly so, that is common sense.

We did not lay charges against them and never would have, I think the judge erred.
but then we don’t know everything as the report is incomplete.

I once collared a burglar that a previous patrol had just missed (they were about to have a cup of tea with the tenants in the kitchen) who was hiding in the bath (lying down) with the shower curtain pulled across. red faces all round…..

I made a great friend with one guy who was trying to get back into his place having left the keys inside, that he had his little daughter in a pushchair whilst he was climbing through the window as I drove past made it easier to decide what was what in that case 🙂

Sadly 90% of our burglar alarm call outs were false alarms but had to be treated as in progress and on windy wet nights there could be many.
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July 22, 2010 11:46am
Nefarious

Good on you Mike, that is common sense.

I just don’t understand how the tenants failed to notice a burglar in that bath for 2 days?
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July 22, 2010 11:49am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

103PapPap 10:30am – Interesting article in today’s New York Times about the socialist President introducing national standards in schools across the USA.

Critics of New Zealand Standards say –
The Government is rushing to implement the Standards without any evidence that they will raise achievement. National standard regimes in other countries have failed and are being abandoned. New Zealand children are already achieving very well compared to other countries.

So, if the USA are only introducing them, what are the countries where they have been already tried, failed, and are being abandoned.?
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July 22, 2010 12:09pm
Fot

Bruce Emery is kept in prison despite being eligible for parole, meanwhile, Baily Kurariki commits crime after crime and remains free.
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July 22, 2010 12:16pm
RKBee

$10.000.000 Super computer to predict the weather…. what happened to looking out the window.

Is that a policeman… no son that’s a revenue officer.
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July 22, 2010 12:17pm
Yvette

Re: the Taupo judgement –
“Mr Graves chose a firearm. The primary purpose of firearms is to kill at a distance.
“If there is a moral in this then it is `don’t resort to using a weapon’.
“Mr Graves would not have been convicted if he had chosen a baseball bat.”

Since Mr Graves, being inside, couldn’t use the firearm at a distance [Judge’s words], it then was a weapon of secondary use, whatever that is. And everyone knows a secondary use of a baseball bat is as a weapon.
Is anyone else confused?
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July 22, 2010 12:18pm
Jimbob

The Dems are toast. All the GOP has to do is shut up and put up their candidate in 2012. And yes the US economy is toast also. So what what do you think Dr. Bollard will do? Raise interest rates. Gee we are in good hands.
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July 22, 2010 12:23pm
MikeNZ

Sorry Nef
we responded to the same call and arrived about 5 mins after the other van, they were making them a cuppa to (three lovely lasses).
I asked the other crew if they’d checked the wardrobes etc which they hadn’t being distracted by the lassies!
So I went to look in the bathroom on the way to the nearest bedroom.
talk about red faces, but the biscuits were nice and we let them have the collar (and the paperwork) 😉
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July 22, 2010 12:24pm
RightNow

I’m confused by it Yvette. And concerned that our rights to defend ourselves are being constantly eroded while police are directed to revenue gathering, investigating smacking complaints, and policing protests by thugs.
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July 22, 2010 12:25pm
MikeNZ

Yvette
I’m not, this is a continuing case of the judiciary and Police abrogating our rights to self defense.
Stephen Franks has written very comprehensively on this issue.

When I first got to NZ a business owner way down South had had his insurance canceled because of the many burglaries he’d had.
The alarm went off so he went down to the business and apprehended two people on site and because he had his hunting rifle with him was able to frog march them up to the nick to hand them over to the police.

He was charged with pointing a firearm!
I realised then we had come to stupid no common sense liberal land and nothing has changed that view, even meeting and talking to Greg O’Conner about the issue either.
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July 22, 2010 12:29pm
MikeNZ

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=182046

Daniel Pipes makes a good case against Turkey over Cyprus.
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July 22, 2010 12:38pm
MikeNZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660453

FOT
This does seem daft doesn’t it?
Emery can’t have parole but Bailey can continue to commit crime whilst out on parole.
Funny world.
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July 22, 2010 12:46pm
si_rangi

Back to Golden Takeaways, their fish burgers were a thing to behold, actually you needed both hands to hold one they were so big, three pieces of fish…there was nothing better to sober you up on your way home from the Fitz (and in my day, the late night venue of choice, bootleggers). From what I can recall, I never finished one, and my recall is quite bad becuase you had to be drunk to attempt one.
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July 22, 2010 12:49pm
Pete George

Emery has served about 18 months of a four year three month sentence. He killed someone. He wants out because he is “under stress and depressed”.

Bailey Kurariki agreed to serve his whole 7 year sentence, he didn’t kill anyone himself, he was convicted of manslaughter for his involvement as a lookout when someone was killed.

Where is the problem?
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July 22, 2010 12:57pm
RKBee

Don’t blame the Police they don’t make the laws… but they do have to cover their arses… from all angles..
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July 22, 2010 1:00pm
Banana Llama

“If there is a moral in this then it is `don’t resort to using a weapon’

What the hell? just roll over and stick your legs in the Air?
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July 22, 2010 1:02pm
MikeNZ

Si_rangi
In my hometown the blotting paper was Tangs takeaways.
A Chinese dish followed by the most delicious deep fried battered banana with syrup.
Oh the memories.
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July 22, 2010 1:03pm
RightNow

RKBee – I wouldn’t blame the front line police, I realise the situation they’re in. I think the problem is the direction given to police by their administration and the government. Clearly the attitude of the judiciary is also questionable.

Almost a decade ago I was arrested for assault. I had witnessed two guys beating the snot out of another guy, and pulled one of them off him. He slithered off down the road just as the police turned up, and since he’d ripped my shirt when I pulled him off I decided to assist the police and pointed him out to them. I went with them when they went to apprehend him and his cohort, and agreed to give my details and be a witness. The police arrested this guy first, and he was sitting on the footpath handcuffed. His mate was putting up a struggle while two cops were trying to arrest him. This was close to where the first guy was sitting, and I saw this guy reach out his leg to try and trip up one of the cops. Without thinking I reached my leg out and kicked him in the nuts. Next thing I know I was arrested, bundled in the back of the cop car and taken to the station. I don’t actually blame the cop, he obviously has a job to do and had witnessed me kicking the guy when he was handcuffed, sitting on the ground. I know the police who processed me were sympathetic to my situation, as they had me processed and out of the station within an hour and were very pleasant to me. Ultimately I ended up in court, and the judge also displayed some sympathy to my situation. Although I didn’t avoid the conviction I was given no penalty provided I kept out of the courts for 6 months. The conviction no longer appears on my record (as per the results of a pre-employment check for criminal convictions) so it’s no problem for me now.
What is has reinforced to me though, is that police really don’t like the public to do anything more than give information. I’ve taken this incident as a very useful lesson that unless I’m under a direct threat I should stay out of it.
However, in my opinion, if anyone came into my house uninvited I’d be very much attack first, find out who they are later. While I don’t have firearms or air rifles in my house I could certainly find something to make a useful weapon.

One thing that also concerns me about the case of this guy in Taupo – the air rifle wasn’t loaded.
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July 22, 2010 1:20pm
RightNow

On another note, the graph at this link shows four things: three climate modelling scenarios from Hansen et al., and the actual observed temps.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/dhm1353/Climate%20Change/HansenvUAH.png

Empirical evidence trumps models, unless you’re on the climate gravy train
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cru_doe_funding.png
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July 22, 2010 1:30pm
Inventory2

Fot said

Bruce Emery is kept in prison despite being eligible for parole, meanwhile, Baily Kurariki commits crime after crime and remains free.

Not quite Fot. Bruce Emery is eligible to apply for parole. The Parole Board is under no obligation to grant his application. We’re quick to criticise the Parole Board when they release people before we judge that they have paid their debt to society, and even quicker to condemn them when someone released on parole reoffends. I think they’ve got this one pretty much right, and I note that they have called for a psychological report before Emery applies again.
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July 22, 2010 1:47pm
cabbage

I2: Agreed.

Fact is, Emery has been judged to be effectively in the same state of mind that he was when he offended. Part of his defence for his offending was his state of mind.

Parole board got it right. IMO.
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July 22, 2010 3:29pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

Two items of interest for those who support Bro. John Kee’s warmth towards
Chinese colonisation of Auckland:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660480

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10660495
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July 22, 2010 3:46pm
Rex Widerstrom

How odd that when McVicar’s poster boy is found not to have rehabilitated in jail and is refused parole, no one in the media (to the best of my knowledge) rushes round to McVicar to ask him what he thinks.

Whenever any other offender is asking to be let out, there’s the obligatory phlegm from the SST about how “scum” never change, “danger to society” blah blah blah and when the Parole Board opts to keep them in McVicar is crowing that he’s been proven right.

Was his phone off the hook? Or doesn’t Emery’s continued self-justification whilst mewling about his “stress and depression” (because of course every other prisoner is happy and carefree) fit the storyline the MSM tries to ram down our throats every day?
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July 22, 2010 4:01pm
starboard

your never ending bugle blowing for scumbags never ceases to amaze me Rex.
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July 22, 2010 5:17pm
Nefarious

Aren’t you going to answer my questions Murray?

Or are you down at the library with phool?
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July 22, 2010 5:26pm
dad4justice

Meanwhile in that cesspit parliament they talk about a hill up North and more shit going down with the bros!
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July 22, 2010 6:12pm
Viking2

Arab Sabbar Kashur found guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jewish woman

* From: AFP
* July 22, 2010 1:50AM

Orthodox Jews praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. Relationships between Arabs and Jews are rare / AFP Source: AFP

* Arab jailed for rape by deception
* Brands Israeli court’s verdict racist
* Woman said he lied about his ethnicity

AN ARAB man has been jailed on a rape charge after an Israeli court ruled he had duped a Jewish woman into consensual sex by lying about his ethnicity.

The Jerusalem District Court sentenced Sabbar Kashur, 30, to 18 months behind bars on Monday, after finding that he had had sex with the woman by posing as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship.

When the woman found out he was not a Jew, she filed a police complaint that led to charges of rape and indecent assault. In a plea deal, Kashur later agreed to the charge of rape by deception, the liberal Haaretz daily newspaper said.

“If she hadn’t thought the accuser was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated,” Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict.

Kashur, who is married and has two small children, called the verdict racist.

“If I were Jewish, they wouldn’t even have questioned me. That’s not called rape,” Haaretz quoted him as saying.

“She agreed to everything that happened.”

The newspaper noted that the Israeli High Court set a precedent for the charge of rape by deception in 2008 when it rejected an appeal against a rape conviction by a man who impersonated an housing ministry official, promising women he would get them an apartment if they slept with him.

Haaretz quoted Elkana Laist of the public defender’s office as saying yesterday that the Jerusalem court had gone too far in its application of that High Court ruling, “opening the door to a rape conviction every time a person lies regarding details of his identity.”

The argument that obtaining sex by false pretences is a form of rape has been used in several countries, including the United States.

Israel’s Arab community numbers 1.3 million, about 20 per cent of the population. It includes the descendants of the 160,000 Palestinians who remained in Israel after the 1948 war and establishment of the Jewish state.

Relations between the two communities have always been controversial as Israel describes itself as both a Jewish and a democratic state, with rights for all its citizens.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/arab-sabbar-kashur-found-guilty-of-rape-after-consensual-sex-with-jewish-woman/story-e6frfkyi-1225895349629#ixzz0uOUixade

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John Dark Posted at 3:01 AM Today

Well, one night stands should therefore drop by about 99% from now on as there can’t be that many pilots in the world. How completely ludicrous – it’s just a thin veneer of attempted justification for judicial discrimination.

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John Dark Posted at 3:02 AM Today

Just goes to show even Jews and Arabs can’t tell each other apart. Maybe they should take a hint from this and learn to get along a bit better?

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July 22, 2010 7:41pm
Hurf Durf

Kkkorporate media!

Speaking of which, I watched Campbell Live today for the first time in buggered if I remember (late 2008?). It featured some teacher who got sacked by a school, a sympathetic story on those fuckwit long-boarders who pissed around on the motorway (and should have wound up spread around the axles of a lorry) and the Harry Potter theme park. You know, real pertinent issues that affect everyone’s lives delivered in a way that doesn’t seek to make the audience empathise with them. Real objective journalism.

Oh wait.
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July 22, 2010 7:52pm
Redbaiter

“Arab Sabbar Kashur found guilty of rape”

You post messages from other commenters before you’d write a word of your own?? What a moron loser.
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July 22, 2010 8:01pm
Pete George

On NatRad this afternoon Brian Edwards made some accurate and scathing comments about TV1 and TV3 “news”. It seems those are commonly impressions of the magazine shows, what demographic actually takes them seriously?

Related to other recent Edwards comments, Duncan Garner comes across as full of self importance and opinionated on the TV3 show, thinks he is the news rather than reporting it sort of thing, but for the first time I watched him interviewing on The Nation and he is a lot better at that.
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July 22, 2010 8:02pm
Chicken Little

Speaking of moron losers……………….

I’m still waiting for DPFs confirmation of your deposit, my little bitch.

I’m guessing sickness or invalids benefit now, more than likely invalids – as in, loooong term.

I guess I could go to CR to check it all out ( heh, yes I’ve been enjoying your desperate spruking for attention ) but it’s well known they’re all just loser commies over there so I’ll just sit here and wait for you to front up like a REAL man.

xxx

CL
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July 22, 2010 8:26pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter, still waitiing to hear your condemnation of Andrew Breitbart and FUX News making up shit.
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July 22, 2010 8:36pm
Hurf Durf

I’m still laughing at the over-reaction of the Barky regime, Robbie. Nine months to decide Afghan policy, two months to do anything about the Gulf spill, three days to sack MacChrystal, three hours to sack Sherrod. They’ve really got their priorities straight.
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July 22, 2010 9:22pm
kaya

Falafulu Fisi (557) Says:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am

Pete said…
Synlait tried to raise capital on the local stock market but wasn’t supported, hence the need to get foreign capital. If we want growth we have to be prepared to invest ourselves or accept increasing levels of foreign ownership.

The most scary part is where the foreign capital comes from, ie which printing press, and how long is it actually going to be a valid currency. Land will always be land but “money” can be anything and usually is. There are a few trillion dollars floating round the world (well most of it in China) that came off various printing presses (computers) that is being used to buy up assets worldwide. The monetary system is developing the characteristics of a very bad religion. Ya gotta have faith…..
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