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Yvette

Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
– Ronald Reagan

Watch for the Government’s blow-job later today. It will leave you wondering if you really enjoyed it or not, and why we should have to pay for it.
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July 20, 2010 8:01am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

In before Yvette

Edit…..DOH!!
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July 20, 2010 8:01am
Yvette

And . . . although on BREAKFAST, [as in ‘dog’s breakfast’], Espliner says today’s Government mining back-down “doesn’t come much bigger”, Henry tells the nation it is “colossal”, it will be forgotten by the general public in three days and won’t cause a blip even in the next Political Party Poll. It should be good training for the Government rescinding the ETS.
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July 20, 2010 8:01am
starboard

fir..
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July 20, 2010 8:02am
big bruv

Just when you think that this gutless government has changed it stripes it goes right back into full blown socialist mode.

Forget EVER catching Australia, that will never happen, it seems that we are happy to leave wealth in the ground because a few unwashed Greens might kick up a fuss about mining.

It seems that National are happy for us to remain a low wage, high taxed emerging third world nation, meanwhile, our best and brightest youth will flood across the Tasman where they will not be forced to carry the burden of lazy dole bludgers and DPB slappers.

We really are stuffed.
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July 20, 2010 8:12am
Murray

Someone tell espiner that he didn’t make it happen.

These dick “journalists” are far too emotionally invested in their so called reporting.
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July 20, 2010 8:12am
big bruv

Yvette

Do not hold your breath, the Nat’s have no intention of backing down on the ETS, next years promised revue will be nothing more than a confirmation that they plan to carry on with the bullshit tax.

Meanwhile, the rest of us subsidise the farming sector.
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July 20, 2010 8:14am
mattyroo

VOTE LABOUR!

We have to get rid of this gutless prick John Key, the bloke has only two things on his mind, watching the polls and pandering to the racist bastards that are the Maori.

Whilst I would love to see a strong ACT, it isn’t going to happen this time, so the only way to fix this is to kick Key and his sickening acolytes to the kerb, by voting labour.
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July 20, 2010 8:18am
Inventory2

Agreed Murray – Espiner seems to think that he has to invent the news, not comment on it.
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July 20, 2010 8:19am
Pete George

TV3 were claiming Garner was behind it. I suppose all the usual cliches sound more dramatic than
“Government floats idea, assesses public opinion and adjusts policies”.

And this is not going to be the end of the world, at best it was a long term plan beginning with exploration, so it is hardly going to reverse the country’s fortunes.

A good day to skip TV news, they will be gushing more than a gulf oil leak.
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July 20, 2010 8:23am
flipper

All the “back down” comment on mining is BS.

Long ago, when Ralph Hanan as Minister of Justice, wanted to get rid of the “six o’clock swill” he knew he had devise a cunning plan.
His words to me at the time were:” I’ll have to put up an alternative proposition that everyone one can vote against if I’m going to get rid of the swill”.

Out of the “blue”, and with no electorate pressure, Hanan and Holyoake put two disparate questions to a referendum:

1. Increase pub closing hours to 10pm ?
and
2. Increase the Parliamentary term from 3 to 4 years?

We all know which achieved a substantial majority.

So the Conservation Dept mining debate is similar.
What is forgotten is that several hundred thousand hectares of largely useless land were transferred to conservation when Lands and Survey was wound uip.

No conservation values in that land.

But then, if the facts dont fit the TV script there is a SIMPLE answer – Dont state them!
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July 20, 2010 8:32am
mattyroo

Look at this fuckwit from the UN: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659949

Would someone tell these idiots we don’t have any indigenous people, the savages that are the maori ate them all.
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July 20, 2010 8:58am
starboard

Justin Marshall, 36, agreed with rugby correspondent Peter Bills that New Zealand was an expensive country – and not just for visitors.
Bills – sounding a caution ahead of next year’s Rugby World Cup – said the prices of everyday articles had “horrified” him and Kiwis were “victims of massive overcharging”.
He said New Zealand was becoming “one giant rip-off”.
Marshall, an 81-test All Black who is now a Sky TV rugby comments man, said his rugby friends had also warned him that the cost of living had become higher in New Zealand than in Britain.
“All of my mates who had come home kept saying to me that I needed to be aware that the expense of living in New Zealand is something you really have to take into account … It really has become an expensive country to live in.”

He said his weekly grocery spend in Britain was between £150 and £200 ($323-$431) to feed his family of five.

Here, the bill is $400 to $500 a week.

“I’ve really noticed it with things like cheese, milk and bread and butter … When I was in the UK I bought a leg of imported New Zealand lamb for 17 quid [$36.60]. I bought the same thing here and it was close to $40.

“Even when you take the exchange rate into account, it still costs more to buy our own meat here.”

New Zealand Beef & Lamb chief executive Rod Slater said Marshall was “pretty much on the mark” and said prices for export lamb in Britain, our biggest market, were generally “on a par” with prices here.

Mr Slater said this parity was partly because of New Zealanders paying GST on food whereas consumers in Britain did not. “So that’s 12.5 per cent right there.

…wait til the ETS kicks in and the GST increase…NZ’s fucked…Oh..but we have nice scenary…ppffftt !!!
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July 20, 2010 9:01am
Pete George

He said his weekly grocery spend in Britain was between £150 and £200 ($323-$431) to feed his family of five.

Here, the bill is $400 to $500 a week.

That’s a hell of a big grocery bill. I wonder what sort of things he buys for those dollars.
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July 20, 2010 9:05am
big bruv

Under Klark and Labour the right or centre right had no victories, we did not expect them, that is the way it goes, when the pinko’s are in power they fuck over the productive sector and financially rape the middle class so they can bribe low life with our money.

So why the hell does Key keep offering the left anything?, why does he keep appeasing these parasites and why is he determined to see us as become a south west pacific backwater, one that is rapidly approaching third world nations status.

It is clear that National are not ambitious for NZ, it is clear that we as a nation still think that it is up to others to look after us, the tragic thing about all this is that situation is not going to change.
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July 20, 2010 9:05am
starboard

…not for 5 people it aint…
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July 20, 2010 9:06am
PaulD

mattyroo 8.58 “Would someone tell these idiots we don’t have any indigenous people, the savages that are the maori ate them all.”

Would someone tell that idiot that there were no indigenous people before the Maori.
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July 20, 2010 9:09am
Lucia Maria

Pete, I easily spend $500 a week for groceries.
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July 20, 2010 9:11am
mjwilknz

Yvette, haven’t the Nats already done one back flip on the ETS? They were against it when it was introduced by Labour, but have come out resoundingly in favour of it since. Maybe we can’t expect another back-flip any time soon, he says disappointedly.

[DPF: Actually National said in 2008 they did back there being an ETS, but that they would amend the ETS to reduce its impact on consumers and businesses – which is exactly what they did do]
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July 20, 2010 9:11am
stephen

They were against it when it was introduced by Labour, but have come out resoundingly in favour of it since

Weren’t they just against Labour’s ETS, not an ETS in principle? May depend how far back we’re going here.
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July 20, 2010 9:14am
dime

Pete George – doesn’t sound a lot to me. im a bachelor and i spend $150 a week.

Then again i buy quality.. would be a lot cheaper if i lived on garbage food.. pies, chips etc etc
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July 20, 2010 9:17am
mattyroo

I agree with Marshall and Bills. NZ is very expensive, it doesn’t bother me, but the reputation surely isn’t good for NZ.

As someone who travels extensively, I find NZ one of the dearest places to be, and I live here, which means it generally should be cheaper, as I should be able to hunt out the cheaper places. Being in the oil industry, most of the places I travel to are high on the list of the worlds most expensive cities, as they are flush with cashed up oil workers, who have money to burn – But rarely am I left with a feeling of being ripped off in many of these places, yet regularly feel that I have been ripped off in NZ.

Eating in a restaurant in the viaduct for instance, is one of the least gratifying experiences one can have. Compared with somewhere overseas of a similar standard, the food is generally dearer and of questionable quality, the staff are generally disgusting human beings, both in appearance and manners, the setting is usually cheap and nasty and overly pretentious.

Hotels here are disgustingly over-priced for the quality, try and find a decent hotel in Wellington. I usually stay in the Langham in Honkers for about $400 a night, you won’t find anywhere in W’gtn of that quality, yet you will find many charging that price. And it’s Wellignton for fucks sake!
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July 20, 2010 9:19am
F E Smith

Regardless of whether Mattyroo’s statement is correct or not, the Auckland Herald article raises one issue: why do we even give this guy the time of day? No reference to the individual occupant of the position, but the organisation he works for has shown itself one of the worst offenders in the area of helping indigenous or deprived peoples around the world. The UN displays a mix of incompetence and corruption on a grand scale, and has been complicit in some of the worst atrocities of the last 60 years.

Seriously, any organisation that has Libya leading it’s human rights body has to be a waste if space, surely?
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July 20, 2010 9:25am
starboard

My wife and I can live in Bangkok for one month including accommodation ( condo 20th floor with pool ) eats , grog and transport for around 1000 kiwi..and thats comfortably.
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July 20, 2010 9:31am
MikeNZ

mattyroo (338) Says:
July 20th, 2010 at 8:18 am

by al means give your constituancy vote to a labour candidate but give your PARTY VOTE to ACT.
You know it makes sense as National need hand holding.

and we need Labour like a hole in the head.
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July 20, 2010 9:33am
MikeNZ

Matty
In Wellington, try Ortega Fish bar (marjerie banks st) at the back of the Embassy theater.
Great value.

Matterhorn (Cuba St) and Hippopotamus (Museum Hotel) though expensive very good eats.
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July 20, 2010 9:36am
mattyroo

Semantics PaulD, Whilst the Moriori may or may not have been “Maori”, they were here before the “current crop” and were driven away and eaten off the mainland by the later arrivals.

If the early Europeans had shot all the Maori, as they did in Tasmania, would that have made them indigenous?
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July 20, 2010 9:36am
MikeNZ

http://www.meforum.org/2688/nagla-imam

As for her personal situation, approximately two weeks ago, state security arrested and took Nagla to a government building in Cairo. There, a top official twisted the crucifix she was wearing, tightening the chain around her neck, while saying “the cross will be the death of you.” The official then proceeded to beat her — giving her a black eye, a bruised body, and broken teeth. Before releasing her, he said, “Stay in your house, till you are carried out to your grave,” adding that, if she does not return to Islam, “people” will be dispatched to “take care of her.”

Nabil concluded by saying that Nagla and her two young children are trapped indoors — their entire Muslim family having turned their backs on them — and besieged by the mob, which bangs on the doors and windows and has cut off (no doubt, thanks to the government) all electricity to the house, leaving Nagla and her children in the dark (see here for a video where a battered Nagla sings a psalm with her children).

and these people are moderate Islam with a peace deal with Israel.
Welcome to the world of Dhimmitude, the real one not the rubbish the lefty treftys assert.
Remember it is the duty and right of all Muslims everywhere to pray for Sharia where they live.
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July 20, 2010 9:40am
MikeNZ

Matty
he’s here as part of the campaign at the UN to dissolve National sovereignty’s in favour of a global governance that Helen is working on.
It’s simple, if you are a citizen you are equal to every other citizen and all racist laws and by laws should be repealed along with the racist seats in parliament.
Another National policy plank that has gone by the wayside with ‘dealer key”.
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July 20, 2010 9:42am
mjwilknz

Thanks DPF and stephen, I stand corrected. Perhaps a proper ETS back-flip will become more politically palatable when NZers wake up and realise few other countries have introduced anything like our one. Does anyone see a discernible trend in that direction?
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July 20, 2010 9:51am
big bruv

MikeNZ

It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for that bauble loving wanker Hide, get rid of him and you will have my support.

The mining issue is one where Hide should have told Key “if you back down on this then we (ACT) are gone”, however, I suspect that Key has done a deal with Baubles Hide and agreed not to stand a candidate in Epsom if ACT remain the lap dog of this gutless government.
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July 20, 2010 9:59am
mattyroo

There won’t be a backflip on the ETS mjwilknz. The screaming loons from the left are not likely to protest this, so no reason for Key to turn to jelly and backflip.

And us on the right are too busy working hard to earn an income, to get organised enough to protest against Jelly Key and his spineless backflips.

All the while we get screwed by the government, so the useless can keep on screwing and popping out kids, to claim ever increasing benefits. Yet, no real wealth is ever created to maintain this largesse. And whenever an idea is raised, we have the contemptible Robyn Malcolm and her ilk screaming about it, and at the same time, they want more money for the useless beneficiaries.

Fuck National.
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July 20, 2010 10:09am
mjwilknz

mattyroo, whether people are left wing or right, it seems quite dangerous that our country currently has an inadequate opposition. We can only hope that Labour hurry up and get things together; unlike others on here, I have absolutely no desire to vote for them until they do, though.

RE: your earlier comments about NZ costing more, I think this is true, but only for certain products. My chef brother recently came back for a holiday from Perth. The first restaurant we went into, he had a close look at the menu and commented that a fish meal cost half of what it did in Perth! Basically, if a product is imported all the way to NZ, then of course it’s going to cost more.
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July 20, 2010 10:17am
Right of way is Way of Right

Was mining schedule 4 conservation land on the manifesto at the last election? If so, then in accordance with democratic principles, the government should be OBLIGATED to continue. At a time when we are borrowing a Billion a month just to keep up, the economic salvation of our country sits below our feet.

However, if not, then it should be clearly stated as a policy platform at the next election. Billions of dollars going begging because Sue Bradford and John Minto threw a hissy fit!

Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, and just issue mining permits anyway, JUST LIKE THE LABOUR PARTY DID!
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July 20, 2010 10:28am
Kris K

MikeNZ 9:40 am,

http://www.meforum.org/2688/nagla-imam

[…]

and these people are moderate Islam with a peace deal with Israel.
Welcome to the world of Dhimmitude, the real one not the rubbish the lefty treftys assert.
Remember it is the duty and right of all Muslims everywhere to pray for Sharia where they live.

Indeed, Mike.
Moderate Muslims ONLY exist in the minds of socialist Leftards and those too lazy to consider the evidence before them.

And if we don’t guard against uncontrolled Muslim immigration here in New Zealand then we’ll likely end up with a similar state of affairs as outlined below:

Muslim Enclaves U.S.A.

Posted By Ryan Mauro On July 9, 2010 @ 12:40 am In FrontPage | 152 Comments

It seems almost unthinkable, but Islamist groups are, as we speak, hard at work creating Muslim states-within-states in the U.S. Indeed, this process has been unfolding for a long time across the Western world, through the creation of isolated Muslim enclaves [1] in both rural and urban areas, as well as through the designation of “no-go zones [2]” where governments admit to having little authority over Muslims living there, essentially leaving them to function as autonomous regions.

Daniel Pipes has tracked [1] numerous examples since 2004 of Muslim groups working to create communities based solely on Islam and run by Sharia law. As discussed [3] by David Kennedy Houck in 2006, “Although such concepts are antithetical to a free society, U.S. democracy allows the internal enclave to function beyond the established boundaries of our constitutional framework.”

For example, one such community, Gwynn Oak, has been created [4] in Baltimore, Maryland, consisting of Muslim immigrants and African-American converts. The project is led by John Yahya Cason, director of the Islamic Education and Community Development Initiative. Cason explained that the neighborhood is a response to the problem that “Muslim communities are ruled by Western societal tenets, many of which clash with Islamic norms.” In his opinion, there is a need for communities with “the totality of the essential components of Muslim social, economic, and political structure.” As such, the Gwynn Oak enclave follows specific moral rules based on Islam and people there speak Arabic. On September 13, 2009, the construction of its three-story mosque began [5]. Approximately 400 Muslims now live in the vicinity.

Another example involves the Islamic Center for Human Excellence, which receives funding from the United Arab Emirates. In August 2004, it was granted permission [3] to build a Muslim neighborhood in Little Rock, Arkansas, complete with a mosque, school, and 22 homes; it would not allow the presence of alcohol. The goal was for Muslims to find an area to escape the alleged crime and depravity of American life, although the imam behind the effort said that non-Muslims are welcome to join.

Far more radical groups than these are now taking the lead in promoting and creating Islamic enclaves on U.S. soil.

[…]

The possibility that Muslim-only towns and urban enclaves could be created inside the U.S. seems like a fantasy to most Americans at the moment, but there is precedent in Europe. The French government actually has a website where it tabulates 751 “sensitive urban zones [52],” which have been accurately described as “no-go zones [2].” In these areas, which are mostly populated by Muslim immigrants, there is a high level of crime and hostility to any governing authority, including law enforcement. Police officers do not regularly patrol the areas and they are as close to being autonomous regions as possible without the erecting of an actual parallel government.

The construction of the building blocks for similar Muslim enclaves and “no-go zones” in the U.S. is one of the most disturbing programs of Islamist groups. If successful, these territories will be the first to establish Sharia law in the country, thus offering a profound challenge to America’s constitutional order.
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July 20, 2010 11:05am
MikeNZ

Thanks Kris, I read that the other day and it mirrors what has happened in the UK as documented in Patrick Sookhdeo’s Faith, Power and Territory – isbn 978 0 9547835 8 7 – A Handbook of British Islam.

To be sure the OIC at the UN has a plan for NZ even if our people think we live in a benign environment, they are asleep at the wheel as others are activating their plans to bring us into Dar al Islam and Sharia.

Kiwis are such bullshitters at times, we put it out there that we are all for someone giving it a go and stand for tolerance and freedom but that also means standing for that by speaking out for others not sticking you head in the sand because all the shit happens miles away.
That’s hypocrisy, something we’re very good at incl me at times.
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July 20, 2010 11:14am
nickb

Today is a very sad day for NZ.

Our government caves in to smelly hippies, washed up C-grade tv actors, and Green Party acolytes instead of supporting jobs and economic growth for the benefit of all New Zealanders in the mining industry.

What a bunch of limp dicks!
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July 20, 2010 11:16am
backster

This cave in just goes to show that the overarching goal to catch our standard of living up with Australia wasn’t even a pipedream, it was a deliberate deception. The Don BRASH taskforce is now as big a waste of time and expense as the Families Commission, both should be disbanded along with the other Clark built socialist loaded quangos. Now that the inherent wealth of the Nation is to be left in the ground the welfare entitlements that to an extent were dependent upon it as a security should also be cut in order to align the Minister of Finance’s borrowing with our reduced prospects of payback.

I congratulate Norman, Bradford, and Goff on a great victory, and commiserate with Gerry Brownlie at least he tried. Spain,Greece, and Ireland move over here we come.
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July 20, 2010 11:16am
MikeNZ

BB
you may well be correct and I understand your position on Rodney.

I would prefer to vote National as they should have a broad congregation but with their shift of their center to the left of center I can’t as it is like voting Labourlite.

That’s why I think National needs hand holding, without it they will keep going labour-lite on us because they are compromisers not the party of yesteryear with principle.

The National of old would never have ignored +80% of the people nor made parents criminals for a smack on the bum.

I suspect they have become infiltrated by closet liberals who talk the talk but won’t walk the walk.

Hence the need for an ACT party of 10%+ just to offset the racist Maoris and social nutcase Greens.
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July 20, 2010 11:18am
Caleb

can i say that im happy we will not be expanding mining.

not that i am opposed to modern mining

but until our government’s rain in spending, i do not wish them any more money.
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July 20, 2010 11:38am
RightNow

Too good to pass up. Old Holborn commenting on the new UK gummint weaning the state baby off the welfare tit. Translates well to NZ…

The petulant screaming monster Labour created will scream, it will holler, it will throw all it’s toys out of the pram and wriggle and shake it’s way through tantrum after tear filled tantrum. It will bare it’s teeth, the ones that have caused so much pain as it sucked greedily at the benefit nipple. It will scream “abandonment” and tell everyone it meets that it is a victim of child cruelty and neglect and that it should have a new foster parent that feeds it twice as much to keep it from “poverty” and “starvation” whilst like a cuckoo, it attempts to silence the competition.

It will keep us up at night with nappy changes, it will continue to demand our full attention until one day, it will pick up a spoon and feed itself. As ALL children do. Before we know it, it will be walking in the garden and planting seeds in a little patch to watch things grow all. Nurturing it’s own future, tidying up it’s own room and putting things away all by itself.

The rod has been spared for a generation or more and we are left to deal with the frightful result. Sack the wet nurse, ignore the red faced screams. It’s time this bastard child of social engineering fended for itself.

http://www.oldholborn.net/2010/07/healing-power-of-bonjela.html
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July 20, 2010 11:43am
MikeNZ

Thanks Rightnow.
enjoyed this link at Oldholborn too, especially as our own NZPolice is calling for more guns on the streets.

http://www.oldholborn.net/2010/07/what-did-raoul-moat-teach-us.html

It seems to me that we have made a very bad bargain with the State. We have relinquished our right to effective self-defence. We have been sold a deal by successive Governments. It’s not a very good deal, but it goes like this, “Guns are dangerous. You are unfit to own them, even for your own defence. But, you need not worry, for the Police Force shall take responsibility for your safety.

As ever Stephen Franks has a good word.
http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=11
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July 20, 2010 11:55am
MikeNZ

Apologies edit ran out.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=11
,blockquote>But the law was already in his hands, and in our hands, and it always has been. It does not belong the system insiders – the judges, police and the lawyers. The Crimes Act is clear about citizen’s arrest immunities. Judicial carping at people who take the law into their own hands is now common but that does not make it lawful. The justice insiders may think that citizens arrest provisions are old-fashioned. They may want to confine enforcement decisions and powers exclusively to themselves, but sections 35 to 39 of the Crimes Act have not been repealed. Punishing people who uphold the law is stealing rights from us all. Do you find the following obscure?

“35 Arrest of persons found committing certain crimes. Every one is justified and arresting without warrant any person whom he finds by night committing any offence against this Act.

‘39 Force used in executing process or in arrest. Where any person is justified or protected from criminal responsibility … in making… any arrest, that justification or protection shall extend and apply to the use by him of such force as may be necessary to overcome any force used in resisting such execution or arrest, unless the… arrest made by reasonable means in a less violent manner”.
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July 20, 2010 12:00pm
Jimbob

I can smell another right wing party forming to take up the space left by pinky Key. Act are about as useful as a chocolate teapot. The country is going to squeal when the next recession hits along with the ETS and GST rises. Some time in the future the ETS will be dumped as the AGW fraud will be exposed. Also no one subsidises farmers, they pay through the nose for everything. Pay more rates, ACC, transport charges and insurance than any other person in New Zealand. The ETS say animals warm the planet, any one who believes that is about as intelligent as a mannequin.
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July 20, 2010 12:09pm
Pete George

Mike, the case Franks talks about is another where someone has scared off offenders (fine up to that stage) but then chased them, having an altercation with one and injuring them. So it went beyond protecting self or property. Reminds me of a certain tagger case.

How far should someone be able to go to detain or inflict retribution on an offender or potential offender?
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July 20, 2010 12:09pm
Courage Wolf

The John Key test:

Will backing down on mining appease mum and dad voters? Yes.

Mining is cancelled.

Will backing down on ETS appease mum and dad voters? No.

ETS goes ahead.

John Key is the most populist Prime Minister we have ever had. Even Helen Clark had principles (albeit socialist ones). If only the general public weren’t so politically ignorant.
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July 20, 2010 12:10pm
Manolo

[DPF: Actually National said in 2008 they did back there being an ETS, but that they would amend the ETS to reduce its impact on consumers and businesses – which is exactly what they did do]

The National Party can do nothing wrong and delivers on its election all the time. Trust me, I do not lie. By the way, my name is Neville Key.
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July 20, 2010 12:22pm
starboard

I can smell another right wing party forming to take up the space left by pinky Key..

Ive said it once and I’ll say it again…watch Michael Laws ….
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July 20, 2010 12:28pm
Pete George

….watch Michael Laws …attract less support than Act?
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July 20, 2010 12:31pm
starboard

who else is there to vote for?? Liarbor..pfftt , National..lying bastards..ppfftt …Michael Laws is in touch with the common Kiwi.
He knows what rings their bell. He’s a contender. Not that Im saying Id vote for him…Im going ACT next year…protest vote ya know..eh..?
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July 20, 2010 12:44pm
Kris K

Almost makes one want to become a refugee!

Does anyone get the feeling we’re being lied to? And why do the MSM, UN, EU et al continue to propagate these lies about life in Gaza and the West Bank? – especially when there are numerous places in the world which have genuine need and of which we hear almost nothing by comparison. One might almost come to the conclusion that there is an agenda against the nation of Israel; that it must be demonised at the expense of truth and honesty. But since when have the above organisations/governments been concerned with truth and honesty where Israel is concerned?

Read on, dear reader, and for those interested in emigrating to Gaza I have the appropriate paperwork available …

The only place where refugees drive Mercedes

Tom Gross has posted up another set of pictures which show how false is the propaganda we are fed that Gaza is a ‘humanitarian disaster’ on a par with starvation in Africa. Gross observes:

Two days ago the EU pledged tens of millions of EU taxpayers’ euros to add to the hundreds of millions already donated to Gaza this year, much of which has been misused to procure arms… When leading news outlets mention the so-called humanitarian flotillas from Turkey, why do they omit the fact that life expectancy and literacy rates are higher, and infant mortality rates are lower in Gaza than corresponding rates in Turkey? Have they considered that perhaps the humanitarian flotillas ought to be going in the other direction, towards Turkey?

…As I have written before, of course there is poverty in parts of Gaza. There is poverty in parts of Israel too. But when was the last time a foreign journalist based in Israel left the pampered lounge bars and restaurants of the King David and American Colony hotels in Jerusalem and went to check out the slum-like areas of southern Tel Aviv? Or the hard-hit Negev towns of Netivot or Rahat?

Playing the manipulative game of the BBC is easy. If we had their vast taxpayer-funded resources, we too could produce reports about parts of London, Manchester and Glasgow and make it look as though there is a humanitarian catastrophe throughout the U.K. We could produce the same effect by selectively filming seedy parts of Paris and Rome and New York and Los Angeles too.

… In Turkey, life expectancy is 72.23 and infant mortality is 24.84 per 1,000 births. In Gaza, life expectancy is 73.68 and infant mortality is 17.71 per 1,000 births. Turkey has a literacy rate of 88.7% while in Gaza it is 91.9%. (It is much lower in Egypt and other Arab countries where Israel did not establish colleges and universities in the 1970s and 1980s.)

Gaza’s GDP is almost as high as Turkey’s and much, much higher than most of Africa that gets 1,000th of the aid per capita that Gaza gets from the West. (Source for above info: CIA World Factbook)

World hunger organizations report that 10-15 million children below the age of 5 die each year, and 50,000 people die daily. One-third of all deaths in the world are due to poverty. While famine kills millions of children in Africa, India, and elsewhere, life expectancy for Gaza Arabs, at 72 years, is nearly five years higher than the world average. In Swaziland, for example, life expectancy is less than 40 years, and it is 42 years in Zambia.

Meanwhile Western governments, misled by Western media, continue to pour more and more money into Gaza for people that don’t need it, while allowing black Africans to starve to death.

As the correspondent for one of Japan’s biggest newspapers said to me last week, ‘Gaza and the West Bank are the only places in the world where I have seen refugees drive Mercedes.’

Look at these pictures of Gaza’s new shopping mall, its swimmimng pool, its hotels and restaurants, its brimming markets. And now think of what we are told repeatedly about conditions in Gaza by our newspapers, by the BBC and Sky, by the Church of England, by NGOs such as Christian Aid, War on Want and so on. Well may you scratch your head.
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July 20, 2010 12:47pm
jinpy

@Mattyroo
“Semantics PaulD, Whilst the Moriori may or may not have been “Maori”, they were here before the “current crop” and were driven away and eaten off the mainland by the later arrivals.”

Moriori were NOT a separate race from Maori, this was a myth based on the work of early ethnologists Elsdon Best and Percy Smith, which has been perpetuated for very OBVIOUS REASONS (as highlighted by racist Mattyroo here).

The Moriori were a group of Polynesians originating from the same region as Maori and there is actually NO EVIDENCE to suggest they occupied the mainland as a distinct group before being extinguished and forced to the Chatham islands (Rekohu) as the myth goes. Whether fleeing other Maori tribes from the mainland, or arriving at the Chathams as continued exploration from the mainland, or simply because the Chatham’s was their first landing place, the Chatham Island’s Maori (Moriori) developed in isolation and thus had distinct cultural traits upon early European arrival, notably a custom of peaceful conflict resolution. On this basis early ethnologists developed theories of them being a separate race of people with Melanesian origins (since refuted).

This myth has been perpetuated because it was taught in schools until recently and because it justifies white colonisation and removes Maori’s claim as first people.
“The popularity of the notion that Maori conquered New Zealand’s first settlers was such that it persisted for decades in the minds of Pakeha New Zealanders, despite a series of refutations.”
(See http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/960/1/thesis_fulltext.pdf)

The story has also been confused with the invasion of the Chathams by mainland Maori fleeing rival tribes in NZ who were brought to the Chathams on a European ship, the Rodney, in 1835. This massacre, indeed brutal, was aided by Europeans both in passage and by trade of the musket. The Captain of the ship, Captain Harewood, was later the subject of investigation by James Busby (British Resident in NZ), because at that time British subjects who assisted Maori for the purposes of warfare were liable for prosecution. Although it was revealed that the captain received a generous payment of trade goods for the passage, he was ultimately not charged.
(http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/scripts/reports/reports/64/490A0DA6-0ABA-498F-8765-DA4BD1D86CF7.pdf )
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July 20, 2010 12:55pm
side show bob

Fuck the National Socialists are so low they could crawl up a carpet snake’s arsehole, why are we as a country inflicted with lefty, pussy wiped politicians, the bastards give me a the screaming shits. Once again the silent majority has it thrown back in their faces, when oh when are the productive taxpaying members of this society going to be listen to? But no mining, oh dear we will just have to screw the productive sector further.

Big Bruv reasons he is subsidising the farmers, piss off, if it wasn’t for the farmers this country would be a poverty stricken, lefty hellhole. Stop blaming the farmers, we didn’t fucking bring in the ETS. And don’t worry about us not paying our way, these thieving fucks that pretend to be our government are working hard to rein in all livestock farmers with their fancy new radio frequency tags, which will be mandatory come 2011, once the pricks can count every animal you just watch these fucks bring in agriculture to their bullshit ETS scam.
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July 20, 2010 1:09pm
DJP6-25

mattyroo 10:09 This stuff will only affect me vicariously from Thursday. I’m going back to Korea to teach English. I hope the plane has a tail wind all the way.

cheers

David Prosser
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July 20, 2010 1:30pm
Nefarious

if it wasn’t for the farmers this country would be a poverty stricken, lefty hellhole.

Can I just point out that you aren’t doing a very good job then?

From where I am sitting that is exactly what it is.
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July 20, 2010 1:47pm
MikeNZ

Auckland district court should be interesting on Thursday morning at 9am, according to http://www.spcs.org.nz.
Apparently a prominent company director is up for charges under the financial reporting act 1993.
MED bringing charges, hope there are many more to come.
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July 20, 2010 4:21pm
MikeNZ

starboard (1,196) Says:
July 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

Is there enough voters for another center right party?
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July 20, 2010 4:23pm
MikeNZ

Thanks, yeah read that earlier Kris.
This says it all and yet the EU is giving sqillions to Hamas a terrorist organiosation, will any of it actually get to the real people who voted them into power?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/world/middleeast/14gaza.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

For six years Mr. Ju’bas worked in Israel, and with the money he bought a house with six rooms and two bathrooms. In 2000, when the uprising called the second intifada broke out, Israel closed the gates

he goes on to say

They blamed Hamas for their misery, for seizing the Israeli soldier, Staff Sgt. Gilad Shalit, which led to the blockade. But they also blamed Fatah for failing them.

Meanwhile Egypt stops another convoy too. Is it newsworthy?
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093356414&src=MOEN

What else did they expect
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/pa-protest-leaders-hushed-up-attempted-rape-of-u-s-activist-1.302015
Come to Bethlehem and Hebron and talk to the Christian Arabs.

Meanwhile nothing changes
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/07/14/2010-07-14_the_two_faces_of_mahmoud_abbas_he_says_one_thing_to_the_palestinians_another_to_.html
Abbas also told Arab journalists in Amman, Jordan, that “We are unable to confront Israel militarily, and this point was discussed at the Arab League summit in March in [Libya]. There I turned to the Arab states and I said: ‘If you want war, and if all of you will fight Israel, we are in favor. But the Palestinians will not fight alone because they don’t have the ability to do it.’ “

But the EU & UN don’t want to see the truth because then they would have to do something about it.
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July 20, 2010 4:47pm
thedavincimode

So Matty

How was your first day as a born again pinko?
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July 20, 2010 5:13pm
kaya

F E Smith – re the UN. There is a doco running on TVNZ as I type regarding their activities in the Congo. Made by the Panorama team in the UK and called “UN Mission Impossible.”

It documents confirmed evidence of illegal gold smuggling and selling of UN weapons to local militia by UN staff. As stated, a bunch of corrupt, gutless lying mofos. Yet for some reason we pander to them in many way? WTF are they even doing in this country.
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July 20, 2010 8:00pm
djes005

Stuff.co.nz tonight – a Whangamata man Graham Taylor has been convicted of defrauding the Government of $110,000 of illegitimate benefit payments. He was sentenced to 280 hours community service. Effectively, Taylor has been paid $392.85 p/h for his crimes. How does this make sense? Oh and he owns over $1m worth of property.

Why is NZ so light on punishing White Collar offenders? Does this send an adequate message of deterrence to the public?

See also:

>Mark Bryers (Blue Chip co-founder), only received a $34,000 fine and 250 hours community service for ripping $80m off investors, primarily old age pensioners.
>Stephen Versalko, stole $18m off ASB, spending the money on escorts and wine, received a 4 year non parole incarceration.

Check out my blog for more thoughts…

http://duncanjessep.blogspot.com/
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