General Debate 18 July 2010

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Yvette

Hath Mel no fury like a woman scorned?

• Acting is like lying. The art of lying well. I’m paid to tell elaborate lies.
• Feminists don’t like me, and I don’t like them.
• I don’t make things complicated, that’s the way they get all by themselves.
• I’ll tell you what I did need to learn was tolerance, and I think I’ve been actually given a daily opportunity to practice that, and it’s – it’s – and I know that that sounds almost like a backhanded slap, and it is in a way because I haven’t been successful at it every day. [nor at putting together a coherent sentence there, Mel.]
• After about 20 years of marriage, I’m finally starting to scratch the surface of what women want. And I think the answer lies somewhere between conversation and chocolate.
– Mel Gibson
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July 18, 2010 9:05am
Patrick Starr

spare a thought for all those poor seffricans waking up this morning, wondering how a big black juggernaut just mowed down their beloved bokkes (again)

yeeeehaaaaa!!!!
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July 18, 2010 9:07am
jcuknz

Glad you are writing english again Yvette 🙂 French may be the diplomatic language but english is the greater understood.
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July 18, 2010 9:14am
big bruv

There is nothing like the arrogance of an All Black fan.

I simply cannot wait until the quarter finals of the 2011 RWC, the NZ teams certain loss will be something I can savour for another four years.
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July 18, 2010 9:23am
transmogrifier

bb, why hate on a national team so much?

Be proud to be a Kiwi, man!
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July 18, 2010 9:29am
big bruv

They stopped being the national team years ago trans.
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July 18, 2010 9:34am
wikiriwhis business

‘They stopped being the national team years ago trans’

No, you’re confused with the Young Guns Bruv.
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July 18, 2010 9:43am
Komata

On a completely different note:

I see that, as predicted, a certain Mr. Bethune is being given star billing on TV3’s 60-minutes programme this coming Wednesday. No doubt he will be fawned-over and give absolutely his usual riveting and dramatic oratory about the martyrdom, pain and sufferinghe ‘endured’ for ‘the cause’, and, of course, pick up his (no doubt substantial) cheque as he walks out the door.

Journalistic standards, what journalistic standards?
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July 18, 2010 10:04am
Shunda barunda

The All Blacks are not a national team, they are a carefully manicured and protected brand.
When I couldn’t watch it on national television any more they ceased to be of any real interest.
Like Bruv said, their arrogance (and that of their religious supporters) kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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July 18, 2010 10:10am
starboard

geeez Ma- ma-ma-macarten..sort ya shit out …why do they continually put this clown on tv debates….
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July 18, 2010 10:16am
Pete George

Striving for success is arrogance? Should they just compete, give more people a go, and not worry about winning anything? Then the mediocre can enjoy mediocrity.
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July 18, 2010 10:16am
Shunda barunda

Yeah Pete, how dare those pubs write “all blacks” in chalk out the front.
The marketing team are just striving for success after all.
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July 18, 2010 10:20am
Shunda barunda

Then the mediocre can enjoy mediocrity.

That’s funny Pete, how would you describe the AB’s performance in the past few world cups?
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July 18, 2010 10:23am
Pete George

Not quite good enough but not for lack of trying. Most days they are capable of beating any team but the WC knockout is unforgiving of off days, better preparation by the opposition, bad luck or whatever.

The last loss in the WC was extremely unlikely, despite that they perhaps should have overcome it if they were good enough on the day.

England peaked with a very strong team and deserved Australia.

The All Blacks were a bit cocky and complacent in the UK and were simply beaten.

In South Africa they were the best team at the tournament, they got beaten by widespread illness in the team, the passion of the opposition and the occasion.

That’s sport.

Yeah, there is a lot of business in the mix these days, but that’s also sport at the higher levels. The All Black Team and the All Black brand are very successful, I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Striving to be the best is not the same as expecting to be the best, of being seen as a failure if you are not always the best.
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July 18, 2010 10:36am
kowtow

starboard@1016
That’s a low shot.
I don’t like the guys’ politics but give him his dues, he’s out there doing it and he’s passionate.Argue the issues not the man.
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July 18, 2010 10:36am
starboard

..the mans an idiot…screaming doom and gloom over the 90 day bill..” all and sundry are go-go-going to be sacked without recourse”…blatent scaremongering..typical union toe rag
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July 18, 2010 10:40am
Caleb

what does national mean when it says;

‘don’t become complacent with the high polling’

i’m sure they are suggesting the avoidance of any meaningful policy changes and the muzzling of all MPs.
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July 18, 2010 10:42am
Pete George

Compared to most countries NZ is in a reasonable state albeit with obvious room for improvement. Most people don’t like and wouldn’t want major changes, hence National are prudently nudging things in the direction they want, and most people are reasonably happy with that. Also, most people don’t post on Kiwiblog.
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July 18, 2010 10:46am
Caleb

on the rugby.

Piri Weepu was brilliant and never should have been subbed.

Mils is in fantastic form.

Carter was avg and should have been the first sub, he needs another quality first five pushing for his spot.
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July 18, 2010 10:48am
kowtow

That’s a bit better ,star,now calm down ,point out the issues and leave out the un necessary insults ,which after all, only aids and abets the other sides’ view that right wingers are rabid dogs without a reasonable arguement. wof wof.:)
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July 18, 2010 10:55am
starboard

kowtow (372) Says:

July 18th, 2010 at 10:55 am

..see 90 day thread
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July 18, 2010 10:58am
Nookin

And at last we have a real No 8!
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July 18, 2010 11:03am
mattyroo

Agree Caleb, Why the hell was Weepu subbed? He can be a mixed bag at times, but last night was outstanding. Don’t sub players just to “give the other guy a run”!
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July 18, 2010 11:16am
Viking2

Compared to most countries NZ is in a reasonable state albeit with obvious room for improvement.

Darn right there Pete.

Singapore 15% + GDP growth, Not this year but this quarter.
An island no bigger than Lake Taupo with the same population.

Buildings going up like crazy, new rail to Malaysia when Auckland can’t get there to Newmarket.

Unemployment almost nil, Don’t work, don’t eat.

And we give money not food to those that want to watch telly all day.
No weeds around, no litter, almost no crime, hardly ever see a policeman.

Full of tourist and families from India and China. Why safe place to visit.

NZ Thugs abound, unemployed given money and allowed to run riot. It just goes on and on and on.

According to Bill our debt will be around until 2015. i.e. low wages for another 5 years. that will keep the banks poor and Pavelitch whinging about house prices/ income ratio’s.

Bulk transfers of funds to the Maori, keeping taxpayers poor and restraining business.

National need a rocket up them.
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July 18, 2010 11:22am
Pete George

I’m not sure New Zealanders would be happy with a 10% private owner-occupier housing market like Singapore. And it would be difficult to get a major shipping route past us here. Also difficult to plonk us in the middle of heavily populated countries.

We could learn some things from what Singapore succeeds at, but we are vastly different countries. We even have more than one political party running the country.
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July 18, 2010 11:29am
Yvette

Ground Zero tolerance or intolerance?
By BARBARA FERGUSON | ARAB NEWS –Jul 17, 2010 22:51
WASHINGTON: Here’s the latest twist in a bizarre tale: In May, an Islamic group announced plans to build a $100 million, 13-story Islamic center within blocks of the former World Trade Center.
The proposed Islamic center has become a flash point of controversy. The idea for Cordoba House has been planned for a number of years. It is to be built on the site of a former coat factory store on Park Place, about two blocks from Ground Zero.
The Islamic center is supported by most politicians in Manhattan and by religious leaders of many faiths. It has the support of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, now the state’s Democratic gubernatorial candidate. The Republican contender for governor, Rick Lazio, has called upon Cuomo to investigate the center’s funding in his capacity as attorney general. Some Sept. 11 families, conservative politicians, right-wing bloggers and Tea Party activists oppose the idea.
Protests have flared against what some in the opposition — led predominantly by right-wing conservatives, including some families of 9/11 victims and activists of the so-called Tea Party movements — call the “Ground Zero Mosque” project, falsely implying the Islamic center would be built on the footprint of the World Trade Center towers.
“Through misinformation and shameless fear-mongering,” the online American publication Salon recently noted, the opposition to the project has 46 percent support on the island of Manhattan, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.
The plan for Cordoba House has been the dream of Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan. Khan said it would have facilities for athletics, arts, performances, lectures series, forums and weddings, as well as a prayer space – making more of an inter-faith community center than a mosque.
Abdul Rauf, an imam based in New York, told reporters that the principal aim of the center is to prevent radicalization and the recurrence of events like 9/11. He added that The Cordoba House would include a public memorial to the nearly 3,000 victims of the terrorist attack.
“My colleagues and I are the anti-terrorists,” Abdul Rauf wrote in a New York Daily News op-ed. “We are the people who want to embolden the vast majority of Muslims who hate terrorism to stand up to the radical rhetoric. Our purpose is to interweave America’s Muslim population into the mainstream society.”
“Our religion has been hijacked by the extremists,” said Daisy Khan. “This center will create this kind of counter momentum which will amplify the voices of the moderate Muslims. If we have to defeat the extremists, Muslims have to be leading that effort.”
– http://arabnews.com/world/article85919.ece
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July 18, 2010 11:32am
Manolo

“hence National are prudently nudging things in the direction they want, and most people are reasonably happy with that.”

Shame on you P.G. for having little or no aspirations for our country.

You must be deluded in thinking the status-quo is sustainable. The reform of the welfare state cannot (and should not) be delayed any longer, although according to you no “prudent” politician would even dare to undertake the task.

What you propose is the country continues on its path to mediocrity by fostering a growing underclass dependency on welfare handouts, people who would be easily manipulated every three years. Even worse, Working For Families now extends to concept even to middle class recipients.

A National government needs to deliver what is good for New Zealand. Nothing less is acceptable.
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July 18, 2010 11:35am
Manolo

Thank you Ivette. As yourself, what would happen if someone attempts to build a church in Riyahd, Saudi Arabia.
The “religion of peace” is so tolerant of others, isn’ it?
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July 18, 2010 11:40am
kowtow

Yvette, Manolo,

This issue has been dealt with on a regular and in depth manner at the web site ‘jihad watch”.

I visit it most days as you won’t get that coverage in our brow beaten,cowardly MSM!
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July 18, 2010 11:46am
Yvette

Indeed Manalo, the sentiment of some placards suggest that –
Building a Mosque at Ground Zero is Like Building a Memorial to Hitler at Auschwitz
and
You Cab Build a Mosque at Ground Zero When We Can Build a Synagogue in Mecca
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July 18, 2010 11:47am
Neil

Can someone explain to me why Cameron Slater(Whale Oil) got himself into such a lather of sweat over Peter Goodfellow the National Party president. Some of the commentary seems mighty strange. Has his father John Slater any influence over his son.
Whale Oil’s choices didn’t seem to go too well and he seems to have got the “pip” with the National Party.Or is it one Auckland jaffa acting like Don Quixote whacking away at windmills.
Slater seems to whip up storms over very little.
I would love to know what goes on ?
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July 18, 2010 11:49am
Jimbob

The problem with All Black rugby as to other rugby in the world is that is has been high jacked. The rules are crap as the referees have too much influence on the out come of the game. The IRB are a bunch of wally’s who are self serving to the nothern hemisphere unions. So really I do not care in the AB’s win or loose, as it is lke politics and the way this country is run, most of the time the wrong option is taken for the benefit of one person or a certain group of people.
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July 18, 2010 11:49am
reid

Building a Mosque at Ground Zero is Like Building a Memorial to Hitler at Auschwitz and You Cab Build a Mosque at Ground Zero When We Can Build a Synagogue in Mecca

All of which shows the propaganda’s working really well. Excellent. We all really really need another war, don’t we.
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July 18, 2010 11:51am
backster

This excerpt from todays Herald about an inmate whose declared income for the year was $109,000 and who received a larger amount in Legal Aid partly to sue the warders tends to show why it costs $90,000 a year to keep them inside, why there is no space for more beds, and how comfortable a life-style it can be.

“The Department of Corrections has also agreed to supply its own legal support to help him – allowing the prisoner to sue his jailers using their own lawyers.

“Documents seen by the Herald on Sunday show Inland Revenue “assessed” Taylor’s income at $109,682. The assessment was done to work out how much child support Taylor should be paying – about $23,000 for two other children, aged 3 and 16 at the time. But prisoners do not have to pay child support while in custody.

A Corrections spokeswoman said the department did not inquire into the wealth of prisoners. She said Taylor was treated like “every other prisoner”.

Taylor had been assigned a room with his own computer and law books to work on the case.”

Get Onto it Crusher this is a nonsense!
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July 18, 2010 11:53am
reid

Neil, his and Fran’s issue are to do with the demonstrable lack of performance shown by the re-elected President to date, plus some in the caucus notably Brownlie and McCully, put undue pressure on the delegates to vote for this lacklustre performer, plus the caucus is not inviting indeed ignoring the need for, vigorous conference debate on sensitive issues of the day. In other words, the caucus is pretending it’s actually the Party itself, which it’s not.

Those are all things that need sunlight, IF they are happening.
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July 18, 2010 11:57am
starboard

and who received a larger amount in Legal Aid partly to sue the warders

WTF !!?? Ya kiddin are’nt ya ? Not that prick Arthur Taylor?
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July 18, 2010 12:03pm
Redbaiter

“The problem with All Black rugby as to other rugby in the world is that is has been high jacked. The rules are crap as the referees have too much influence on the out come of the game. ”

Cheating by the referees is institutionalised. They constantly shout at the players and warn them if they are about to commit an infringement. In many cases, these warnings deny a team a penalty kick and certain points. This is laughable. What other sport allows such blatant cheating by the umpire/ refereee?

The referee needs to shut his mouth and blow his whistle if there is an infringement.

Yes yes yes, I know they do it for “continuity”, but if cheating by the referees is what it takes to make the game watchable then its fucked. There is no way this should be tolerated for any reason. Some referees spend the whole damn game yelling their fucking heads off at the players. Just hopeless.

I watched the Warriors/ Storm. Rugby is on a downhill slide and the slide won’t be stopped by cheating and yelling referees.
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July 18, 2010 12:06pm
reid

She said denying workers the right to choose who to invite into their workplace “amounts to slavery”.

No Sue, it amounts to a recognition of the fact that if you don’t want to join that employer, you don’t have to.

Sometimes I think a repeat of the tragedy of the Chicago Democratic Convention wouldn’t be very tragic at all. Sometimes.

We should get some horseys for the police, as well. C’mon Judith. Suggest that to the conference.
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July 18, 2010 12:32pm
Johnboy

I think we should be working towards building a ground zero at all the Islamic Capitals in the world.

What? Oh they are working towards that themselves.

Fine by me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero
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July 18, 2010 12:37pm
reid

But yesterday, conference delegates had to settle for a three-course lunch of flash-fried asparagus shoots and marinated fish salad, baby spinach leaves with toasted pinenuts, crispy prosciutto and garlic aioli. Just 250m away at the Auckland City Mission, dozens of homeless people queued up for handouts of bread and jam.

Oh those heartless Nats, how dare they confer at SkyCity. Liarbore would NEVER have done that. Oh the humanity!

But good scoop, to the journo, for insightfully pointing out the amazing and slightly sinister confluence in space and time. Hmmmm. Good spotting.
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July 18, 2010 12:42pm
Johnboy

Bread and Jam! Bread AND Jam! Bloody lucky bastards. We never had jam for our bread when I was a lad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
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July 18, 2010 12:50pm
reid

Meanwhile, Matt displays his usual objectivity when discussing the 90-day changes…

The whiney bosseswho claim they should have the right to sack any employee without any consequences are people who shouldn’t be employing other human beings in the first place.

This proposed employment relationship isn’t a partnership between capital and labour but a feudal system of a lord ruling over compliant serfs.

Key claims it takes away the risks for employers. What about the risk for employees, even now? Current employees take the risk every day with their jobs. They hope their management knows what it’s doing and their owners don’t make bad business decisions that affect their pay and job security. Key is allowing bad employers to get away with shonky practices and let their employees take the rap without any comeback if things go wrong.

Key’s other proposal to let employees trade their holidays for cash is just a cynical manoeuvre to screw workers out of paid holidays to which they are entitled.

The only reason workers would trade their holidays for cash is because their wages are too low and they need the money to pay bills.

I know exactly what bad bosses will do. They will tell vulnerable workers they can’t pay them a pay rise but they will “buy” their holidays off them.

I know enough about these sorts of people in the real world that Key naively pretends doesn’t exist.

Kate Wilkinson, the Minister of Labour, states she wants to return more “control” to the employer. That’s the real agenda. It’s called class war and Key’s mask has been lifted. Now we know why he’s nicknamed the smiling assassin.

Yes Matt, our universal common experience nay knowledge, is that EVERY SINGLE employer can’t wait to pay us nothing indeed whip us till we drop, if only Key would let them. Everyone knows that.
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July 18, 2010 1:00pm
dime

Just made my first ever iTunes purchase. Kinda feel dirty.. gotta say though, its freakin easy and FAST.

my buddy is distributing the album in aussie/nz.. felt i should actually pay 🙂

anyway, if i somehow delete the album, can i redownload it for free?
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July 18, 2010 1:14pm
nickb

Is this the worst piece of journalism for 2010?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10659565

Great poverty still affects pockets of New Zealand, ministers were told yesterday – shortly before their sumptuous three-course lunch.

Chef Tony Astle whips up a grilled venison back steak with celeriac salad, pearl barley and Madeira jus for a swift $50 at Antoine’s Restaurant, in Parnell – a profitable little business, it appears, enabling generous donations.

Just 250m away at the Auckland City Mission, dozens of homeless people queued up for handouts of bread and jam.

This is a story?
More like lefty propaganda and a disgusting cheap shot by a RINO (reporter in name only)
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July 18, 2010 1:22pm
Johnboy

Still after Bevan Hurley had pressed his snotty little nose up against the window of the conference dining room and feverishly jotted down his pathetic little utterances it would have been back to his cold garret and a feed of beans on toast while waiting for his Editor to call him and tell him his 90 days was up. 🙂
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July 18, 2010 2:16pm
Whafe

I wonder when or if ever, NZ will get a decent newspaper, one that is not living in the world of the left….. Will it ever happen?

Agree nickb, just absolutely pathetic, the reporter, editor and NZ herald in general should be ashamed……
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July 18, 2010 2:21pm
Pete George

Manolo at 11:35 am

Shame on you P.G. for having little or no aspirations for our country.

I have aspirations for the country, I just think we are more likely to improve incrementally rather than by taking bigger unproven risks. I remember a few years ago people were saying we should be doing what Ireland was to encourage new business, but it doesn’t seem to have done them a lot of good in the long run.
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July 18, 2010 3:08pm
Rex Widerstrom

@backster, that story you’ve mentioned seems a complete mess to me.

“Documents seen by the Herald on Sunday show Inland Revenue “assessed” Taylor’s income at $109,682. The assessment was done to work out how much child support Taylor should be paying

Well when the geniuses assessed me for the same reason they were out by 1,000% (no, that extra zero is meant to be there). He could well be earning $10,000. Or $1,000. Since it cost me $6,000 in legal fees to sort the idiots out, I guess the taxpayer will have to foot the bill if Taylor wants to challenge his assessment… because when proved wrong IRD don’t cover your costs, they just move on to tormenting the next guy.

But if a prisoner has any income beyond the $6 or so a day it’s possible to earn in prison it must all be through passive investments… that’s quite some portfolio. Anyone know if that’s plausible? Was he the kind of person, prior to his arrest, who’d have that sort of money?

The Department of Corrections has also agreed to supply its own legal support to help him – allowing the prisoner to sue his jailers using their own lawyers.

That would be an impossible conflict of interest. And while departments usually have in-house counsel those aren’t generally the people you’re up against in court if you’re against that department… they generally bring in outside litigation specialists (Crown Law). Even in a relatively simple human rights case against the WA Department of Corrections I’m up against the Assistant State Solicitor, not a lawyer from the department itself.

A Corrections spokeswoman said the department did not inquire into the wealth of prisoners.

Yes but nor do they assess and grant legal aid. The department is bound to give prisoners preparing their own appeals access to law books and a computer (not connected to the internet) on which type up their submissions. That’s all. And “access to” a computer doesn’t necessarily mean he gets his own… usually it’s an old clunker in the law library.

So, in typical Herald fashion, the story tells us nothing. Is he getting “Legal Aid” or is he just being aided legally? What sort of activity produces a passive income of $100,000+ PA? Etc etc.

Funny how people here rightly decry the shoddy standards of journalism in this country (as with the “greedy lunchers” story in this same thread!!) but are prepared to believe it when it reinforces their preconceptions!
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July 18, 2010 3:10pm
reid

“Is this the worst piece of journalism for 2010?”

No, it’s the worst piece of journalism ever, in the entire history of the known universe.
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July 18, 2010 3:12pm
Johnboy

Wasn’t Ireland’s previous success based on other peoples money unlike our plans for success?

Oh wait a minute….
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July 18, 2010 3:13pm
reid

“Wasn’t Ireland’s previous success based on other peoples money”

Most plans for success usually are, Johnboy.
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July 18, 2010 3:17pm
Johnboy

Till they foreclose on your mortgage begorrah! 🙂
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July 18, 2010 3:20pm
big bruv

For the first and only time I watched apartheid TV, if you ever want to see why Boxing is still the most corrupt sport (yes, worse than the Paki cricket team) on the planet just have a look at the Tua fight.

Tua was beaten, Tua was out boxed, Tua was knocked over for the first time in his career yet the judges still said it was a draw.
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July 18, 2010 3:22pm
MikeNZ

Yvette (939) Says:
July 18th, 2010 at 11:32 am

Yvette
this is war and building on a sacred place is winning to the Islamists.
It is all part of Dawa, like Muslim enclaves and muslim women only swimming times and wearing burquas and sharia courts and sharia finance.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/08/permit-muslim-only-enclaves
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July 18, 2010 3:29pm
Fale Andrew Lesa

Big Bruv,

Unfortunately, you clearly don’t understand the points scheme that governs the sport of professional boxing, and has governed for centuries.
The overall outcome of the fight is decided by the overall performance in every round, calculated in the end for a final score. Tua’s opponent did not secure enough for an outright victory – it was that simple. A bit like the British Conservatives’ at the last General Election?

😀
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July 18, 2010 3:32pm
backster

REX…………I wouldn’t have a clue how much Arthur William TAYLOR has in investments. I do know that he has a several decades long career as a successful criminal probably without equal in the country. It must only be the prison’s own rules that allow him an office and all the trappings. I suspect the Prison managers are intimidated by him.
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July 18, 2010 3:34pm
MikeNZ

http://www.debka.com/article/8916/

Syrian troops and Kurdish tribesman are locked in fierce battle since the Syrian army blasted four northeastern Kurdish towns and neighborhoods at the end of June, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report. Hundreds of Kurds are reported dead.
The Syrian campaign is backed by Heron (Eitan) spy drones Israel sold Turkey, made accessible on the personal say-so of Prime Minister Tayyip Recep Erdogan. Turkey therefore becomes the first NATO member to make advanced Western military technology available for the use of a strong ally of radical Iran and an active sponsor of terrorists

Duh!
What else has the Turks got that radical Islam will now get to see?
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July 18, 2010 3:38pm
big bruv

Fale

I am very familiar with the rules of boxing and how the rounds are scored, there is no way at all that Tua can lay claim to drawing that bout.
The result is all about business, one boxer had announced that this was his final fight, the other has big money behind him and the prospect of a title shot (thus proving that the heavyweight division is extremely poor at the moment save for the odd Russian and German scrapper)

I stand by my statement, the result of that fight is corrupt.
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July 18, 2010 3:51pm
eszett

# Manolo (1,840) Says:
July 18th, 2010 at 11:40 am

Thank you Ivette. As yourself, what would happen if someone attempts to build a church in Riyahd, Saudi Arabia.
The “religion of peace” is so tolerant of others, isn’ it?

So your benchmark for liberty and freedom and human rights is Saudi Arabia, Manolo?
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July 18, 2010 3:56pm
reid

“The “religion of peace” is so tolerant of others, isn’ it?”

What some fail to understand re: this is that just because a Holy Book could be read to say that, it doesn’t necessarily follow that every single believer rigidly adheres to that particular precept.

It is indeed true that your average Muslim is a heck of a lot more serious about their religion than your average Christian. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there are more of them, numberically, that take this extreme interpretation, than the equivalent number of total Christians vs right-wing nutter Christians from the US Bible Belt. I would submit they’re approximately the same percentage. Who knows: 2%?
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July 18, 2010 4:57pm
nickb

Is Whaleoil’s site down for everyone else as well? Hasnt been going for a day for me
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July 18, 2010 5:03pm
nickb

I watched the Warriors/ Storm

Finally, a league man on KB! Good stuff Red
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July 18, 2010 5:07pm
Caleb

seems the gotcha entry is down but u can get in a http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/
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July 18, 2010 5:16pm
Viking2

Internet slow as anything the last couple of days. Been trying to do stuff in USA and its taking forever. Thought it might be just me but whale is difficult to load as is Kiwiblog. Other locals fine.
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July 18, 2010 5:50pm
nickb

Kiwiblog is slow lately Viking, but Gotcha hasnt been working at all for the last 24 hours.
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July 18, 2010 5:51pm
Fale Andrew Lesa

I have to disagree with you big bruv, two of the three judges presented an equal and even score, one gave the call to Barett (and only just with 115-112). It is hardly ‘corruption’ when Tua evidently secured most of the earlier rounds. In fact, most commentators argued that if it wasn’t for Tua’s fall on the last round, victory would have been secured by Tua.

Boxing is a game of points, it just so happened that Tua won as many as Barett, hardly enough for the title of one of the world’s most corrupt sporting initiatives (as you suggest).
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July 18, 2010 5:53pm
dad4justice

“I have to disagree with you big bruv”

Round One – What sane person wouldn’t. The blouse blowhard is beyond belief.
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July 18, 2010 6:01pm
Hurf Durf

Minto, Bradford, McCarten, Kelly. Always the same bunch of angry, disaffected, useless Marxists turn up to these protests. We can just stuff them all in a shipping container and dump them in the Pacific.
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July 18, 2010 6:07pm
dad4justice

Minto was on the mega phone which was smaller than his nose. Pity I wasn’t there with a Minto Bar handy.
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July 18, 2010 6:12pm
Viking2

And the good news that will piss of plenty is that Rodney gets to keep his electorate.
Key said today that National will not bee contesting that electorate. YEHAAR!
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July 18, 2010 6:12pm
dad4justice

Rodney will be dancing to the stars tonight.
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July 18, 2010 6:14pm
Pete George

And the good news that will piss of plenty is that Rodney gets to keep his electorate.
Key said today that National will not bee contesting that electorate. YEHAAR!

If you heard what I heard he didn’t actually say that, he said their plans for Epsom hadn’t not been decided and fudged around, but from what wasn’t said it looked like they might give Rodney an easy ride. It doesn’t mean he gets to keep the electorate, depends on who else stands there and how much of a hit he takes for his gallivanting last year and from super city fallout.
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July 18, 2010 7:34pm
krazykiwi

Have almost finished The Great Depression Ahead – How to Prosper in the Debt Crisis of 2010-2012 by Harry S Dent.

A very good read and I’d encourage everyone to get a copy. Dent stands out from most economists in that he predicted the extent and timing of the global financial crisis… and was mocked at the time. There is some fascinating analysis of long-term, historical demographic trends and closely corresponding economic swings.
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July 18, 2010 7:37pm
reid

“Epsom…Rodney…an easy ride.”

2011 will be easy. 2014 will be tough. As what he’s promised takes somewhat longer to come about.
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July 18, 2010 7:38pm
krazykiwi

Minto, Bradford, McCarten, Kelly. Always the same bunch of angry, disaffected, useless Marxists turn up to these protests. We can just stuff them all in a shipping container and dump them in the Pacific.

Dumping such toxic waste is not great for the environment. Bottom of an Chinese mine shaft might be more appropriate.
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July 18, 2010 7:45pm
Pete George

Are you sure we can come out of a depression krazy? We seem to be lacking major innovations that are behind most bursts forward.
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July 18, 2010 7:49pm
reid

“Bottom of an Chinese mine shaft might be more appropriate.”

Trouble is, kk, it’s almost impossible to contain the infectious insanity leaking from their DNA. With such power to contaminate, a far more drastic solution is required.
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July 18, 2010 7:52pm
Fred

On why wars are “profitable” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4T4kJ2KNzk&feature=player_embedded.

Also more reading here http://michael-hudson.com/

So KK what’s the plan?
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July 18, 2010 7:53pm
krazykiwi

Are you sure we can come out of a depression krazy?

I have no idea. Dent appears convinced that Europe will tank, and that a global economic winter will last until ~2018. It won’t be as severe as the great depression being cushioned because of wealth creation as China and India move people out of poverty.

Dent also picks a period of devaluation which will support the USD.. while most traditional economists are predicting the USD to decline. Get a copy of the book. Well worth it. I’m giving mine to our teens and will then give it away here on KB.
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July 18, 2010 8:01pm
Rex Widerstrom

@backster

I’ve now had time to look up Taylor’s background (I was dashing out when I wrote the above). Around 120 convictions, a 30 year criminal career and more than a decade in Paremoremo doesn’t give someone much scope for amassing an honestly-earned fortune.

Thus to have his annual income, while in jail, assessed at $100,000+ means:

1. IRD have no clue (possible, see my comment above)
2. IRD are assessing his child support based on how much they think he’s stolen (But that’s other people’s money, not his and thus not theirs to get their grasping hands on)
3. The Herald is full of it (also possible, see “greedy Nats” story referenced above)

I’d believe he has access to the law library, which any prisoner working on their own case has access to as of right, and that he seems to be allowed to work on a computer – either one provided by the prison, or perhaps one bought by his family. It has nothing to do with his intimidating prison management… that’s standard entitlements for a prisoner working on an appeal or some other case which a court has agreed to hear.

But if he’s really earning $100,000+ a year then there’s no way he’d get Legal Aid.

And there’s no way Corrections would assign their own lawyers to work for him if he’s suing the warders. They simply wouldn’t be allowed to, as it’s a clear conflict of interest.

I think there’s a story there – especially the $100,000+ a year of unexplained wealth (or IRD’s stupidity in assessing it at that) – but it’s not, as usual, the story the Herald has written.
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July 18, 2010 8:13pm
krazykiwi

Ok, abandon the mine shaft idea…

Let’s send them on a Mediterranean Cruise.

They can put their ideology where their mouth is, and NZ can be rid of a bunch of noxious pests.
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July 18, 2010 8:54pm
Put it away

Minto, Bradford, McCarten, Kelly. Always the same bunch of angry, disaffected, useless Marxists turn up to these protests. We can just stuff them all in a shipping container and dump them in the Pacific.

To give them a fair chance, we’ll let them have an XT mobile to call for help…
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July 18, 2010 8:57pm
RKBee

dad4justice @ 6:12 pm

Misty thought.. they should name of the bars at party central.. Minto Bar.

I went off the All Blacks when they took of Canterbury Jerseys and put on Adidas ones.
I felt it was all about the money and not NZ from that point on …

Minto, Bradford, McCarten, Kelly was all there was… we all just started hallucinating the image of them over and over again in rage..
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July 18, 2010 10:10pm
Hurf Durf

KK:

Co-organiser Grant Morgan said

Another RAM socialist nutcase. And then:

New Zealand support for the people of Gaza stemmed from a desire for social justice which could be seen in the past with our anti-apartheid and anti-nuclear movements, Mr Morgan said.

confirms that the anti-Western Communists never really went away. They’re still at work, beavering away.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Puke? He must be still hiding after the rhetorical hiding we gave him last week.
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July 18, 2010 10:27pm
Hurf Durf

Oh, and in case anyone is in any doubts about the Socialist-Communist endgame:

Alastair Reith
“This means class war! Smash the anti-union laws!” « Workers Party (NZ)
workersparty.org.nz
There was a spirited protest outside the National Party conference in Auckland today. The Herald reported the turnout at 300. At one point dozens of protesters stormed into the hotel where the conference was being held.

Alastair Reith the National Party has no right to exist. Wipe it off the face of the earth
3 hours ago

3 people like this.

James Branch
That would be a good start…
3 hours ago

Jess Mandala
can we please hold them accountable first?
2 hours ago

Heleyni Pohutakawa Pratley
Ha ha ha ha
2 hours ago

Alastair Reith
What better way to hold them accountable for their crimes than to wipe them off the face of the earth? 😉
about an hour ago

Sue Bradford
Great to hear news of what’s been happening in Dunedin, & other parts of the country. What we demonstrated in Auckland this morning is that there are many of us, across generations, who won’t let the Nats run with their attacks on working people without the strongest resistance we can mount.
4 hours ago

Alastair Reith
Too right Sue. This is just the beginning.
4 hours ago
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July 18, 2010 10:39pm
nickb

Alastair Reith
Too right Sue. This is just the beginning.
4 hours ago

“This means class war! Smash the anti-union laws!”

Relationship status: Single
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July 18, 2010 10:46pm
reid

Someone should tell Alastair that they’re not in power at the mo, we are.

That means if anyone’s going to have a class war, we’re probably going to be the winners. That’s normally how it works.

So do you really want to have a class war?

Well, do ya?
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July 18, 2010 10:52pm
Put it away

Alastair Reith “the National Party has no right to exist. Wipe it off the face of the earth”

2008 election official results:

National Party 1,053,398 votes 44.93%
Workers Party 932 votes 0.04 %

That’s odd, it looks to me like they’ve got more than one thousand times more right to exist than Alastair’s lot does. Wanna give us some tips about non-existence there Alastair? You’re near as dammit to oblivion already.
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July 18, 2010 11:50pm
Viking2

This morning’s thoughtful work.
To see ourselves as others see us – it isn’t always a pretty sight
By Gill South
3:45 AM Monday Jul 19, 2010

Over the years, visitors to New Zealand haven’t always been complimentary about the country and its people. While criticism can be hard to take, New Zealand leaders should never stop listening to the international take on the way we run things here – no matter how painful it is.

Jordi Masramon, a chief technical officer from Spain who is doing an MBA at the University of Otago, cites a recent survey in Australia which found that New Zealand businesses, while pleasant to deal with, didn’t have any interest in maintaining long-term partnerships with their Australian counterparts

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10659177
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July 19, 2010 7:26am
optimistic

The comment at the end of the article on Arthur Taylor clarifies matters, his wife stated her husband declared his income ,paid his taxes and child support although he didnt have to !!!!
So obviously he does have income while in prison and the IRD are working on information supplied by him.
Yes Arthur does have a special room with a computer supplied to him ,and yes if inteested parties want to check the true situation re help being supplied from corrections a quick trip to Judicial Deciscions on line ,go to search option and type in
Authur William Taylor and read the 2010 decisions should make it clear that assistance is indeed coming his way.
Looking at all the time he has tied up the courts over recent years and in particular with the child custody case .a simple DNA Test would put the matter to rest once and for all. However it appears that this is something Mr Taylor is strenuosly resisting.
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