General Debate 17 July 2010

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Yvette

Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let’s not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources.
– Ronald Reagan
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July 17, 2010 9:11am
Pete George

There’s a lot gone on in climate science since Reagan.

This response to a blog post DPF linked to suggested a shift that many ideologues haven’t caught on to yet.

One aspect of this is the shift over the last twenty years away from ideological government to managerialism.

Today’s election campaigns are rarely about goals, directions and ideas. Instead the rhetoric is about which party can do a better job of running things.

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This is to a significant extent driven, for better or worse, by the media.

Some here still talk of two ideologies divided by a chasm, but they are stuck in “the good ol’ days”. The separation is now more like a mountain of moderates who don’t care about manifestos, they are more interested (and too often self interested) in governance rather than theories that will never work in practice.

Quality of people in politics is surely more important than theoretical dreams (or probably more often electoral enticements) that usually can’t be implemented anyway due to the necessary parliamentary compromises.

I’d like to see more MPs committed to “the good of the country” first and foremost rather than self and party. That’s what they are supposed to be there for.
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July 17, 2010 9:18am
Banana Llama

I did love the response Nick Smith got from the folk in southland, so much so that i have another name for them to consider.

Maurice Strong.

I would recommend more than harsh language and heckling to be used on this man as he is the alpha and omega when it comes to the carbon trading scam.
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July 17, 2010 9:25am
Brian Harmer

Just got my motor vehicle registration renewal notice, and tucked away on the back of the envelope was the advice that you can now opt out of the iniquitous practice of NZTA giving your name and address to bastard (paper based) spammers and other third parties. Go to https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/PersonalInfoAccess/entry.aspx
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July 17, 2010 9:36am
Jibbering Gibbon

Pete George:

transactional vs. transformational leadership? Many politicians blend both. So which issues should be governed by which approach? For example: Health Policy – led by propaganda for voluntary preventative measures or concerned only with financial management of existing problems?

Interesting (because it was heavily biased) article last night on the box by Patrick Gower. He tried to unravel just which parts of Key’s government were transformational. When pressed, Key took the line that he was mainly transactional at this time. The comparison was the DVD of his vision released shortly before the 2008 election (the one that attracted claims of copyright infringement for the music). This upset poor old Patrick, his dreams had been shattered.
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July 17, 2010 9:39am
Jibbering Gibbon

Brian Harmer

I’ve just renewed mine. On the plastic butt it itemises the content of the licence fee. ACC levys take up around 70% of the total cost. The licence, administrative fee and GST charges are tiny. It’s not a vehicle licence at all – it’s health insurance. Something is wrong. Very wrong.
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July 17, 2010 9:45am
jcuknz

Jibbering Gibbon … if you stayed with public transport you wouldn’t have to pay would you … just a matter of re-organising your lifestyle. If the New Zealand driver didn’t have so many accidents and claims on ACC then the fees wouldn’t be so high.
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July 17, 2010 10:04am
Sonny Blount

Where do I go to pay my ACC for cycling?
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July 17, 2010 10:10am
MikeNZ

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100715/OPINION/707149920/1006/
http://washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=3226

As Iran is being squeezed they squeeze back elsewhere.
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July 17, 2010 10:22am
MikeNZ

Thanks Brian
Just changed my setting at Land transport.
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July 17, 2010 10:22am
Steve

Good call Sonny.

Cyclists have rights on the roads and they excercise those rights on no uncertain terms. I have often wondered where they get those rights and where they pay for them.

Spagetti for lunch?
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July 17, 2010 10:23am
MikeNZ

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/15/turkeys-human-rights-hypocrisy/print/

Have you ever heard of the wall down the center of Nicosia?
I hadn’t.
Where is the UN on this?
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July 17, 2010 10:30am
MikeNZ

http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Arizonas-Fight.pdf

Well worth reading on the Arizona Immigration Law.
Aren’t we lucky being an Island at the arse end of the world. 🙂
and having Golden Australia next to and above us…..
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July 17, 2010 10:40am
Yvette

Sonny Blount – “Where do I go to pay my ACC for cycling?”

Do you want to?
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July 17, 2010 10:41am
cha

I hadn’t.

Start here Mike.
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July 17, 2010 10:43am
Patrick Starr

Tall poppy media isn’t confined to NZ, instead of acknowledging the ABs almost faultless performance last weekend over the Seffricans I see Greg Growden from the SMH having a poke at NZs lack of RWC silverware. – I guess the stats show me why the aussies are so resentful

Aussies rugby record; 2/6 RWC wins (33%). 4/18 super rugby titles (22%). 2/14 tri nations titles (14%). 19/96 Bledisloe cup matches (19%). all nation test win record of only 51% and Aussie time ranked at IRBs #1 – (0%)

NZs rugby record; RWC 1/6 Wins (17%). 10/18 super rugby titles (55%). 9/14 tri nations titles (64%). 74/96 Bledisloe cup matches (77%). all nation test win record of 75% with NZ time ranked at IRBs #1 – (75%)

-guess which country can be happier with their rugby more of the time?
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July 17, 2010 10:53am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Yes indeed, Patrick. This is the country which picks a national team each year to represent Australia at Aussie Rules. Only trouble is, they never play anyone.
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July 17, 2010 11:02am
Manolo

Taking the piss on the Messiah: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938115
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July 17, 2010 11:04am
Manolo

Excerpts from Fran O’Sullivan’s article, which can be found at http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10659303

“The Government’s Cheerleader-In-Chief will be on hallowed ground at this weekend’s National Party annual conference at Auckland’s SkyCity convention centre.

National is rapidly morphing into a party that has lost its appetite for full-blooded policy debate. Instead it defers to the inclination by its Politburo (led by the singularly unimpressive party resident Peter Goodfellow) for mere stage-management.

This does not bode well for a party that was founded more than seven decades ago on the principles of personal freedom, individual responsibility, a competitive economy and support for families and communities.

National obviously needs to openly rethink its hardline policies. Following the current path sets us on the road to national bankruptcy (pun intended). Or else find some other cheaper, overseas island nation to house the expanding prison base, or float a permanently floating container ship.

Debate was often vociferous. Delegates were engaged. But today’s National Party’s organisational leaders appear as if they are frightened of their own shadows.”
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July 17, 2010 11:14am
big bruv

I dunno about anybody else but I am bloody tempted to drive up to Auckland tomorrow and have a gander at the collection of low life and scum who plan to protest at the National party conference.

Anybody know where I can purchase two dozen rotten eggs? 🙂
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July 17, 2010 11:16am
Manolo

NZ gone crazy with all this pandering to old myths and political correctness madness, as the following article shows:

“DOC’s Tauranga area manager Andrew Baucke said the decision to bury Moko on the island was made after consulting with local iwi over the weekend.

“Given that Moko washed up on the shores of Matakana, we have been guided by Ngai te Rangi who have kaitiaki (guardianship) status for the island to come to this decision. “This is also consistent with our policy that local iwi have access to the remains of stranded marine mammals if they want it.”

Ms Krill said exact timing and other preparations for the memorial and burial of Moko will be determined over the next few days.”
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July 17, 2010 11:21am
Yvette

Ms Krill – acting on behalf of marine animals?
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July 17, 2010 11:24am
Dobbie

Did anybody see Don Nicholson on The Nation this morning? Advocating for a relaxation of foreign ownership rules to increase the flow of capital into New Zealand. I reckon this guy’s free market fundamentalism is dangerous to New Zealand agriculture. For a start, the $ the foreign investors are able to pay price New Zealander’s out of the market. How is a young farmer supposed to get his hands on one of the Crafar farms when Landcorp can’t compete with the money flying around? Further, foreign owners have no vested interest in building the land up. Their interest is in extracting out of it – either via production or capital gains. Don N said “land will always end up having to be re-sold. It’s not going anywhere’. How does that guarantee the future of NZ agriculture? That land would probably just end up sold to other foreigners. That is the experience overseas – check out Romania or Hungary for example. The most telling comment was ‘I want to realise the best possible price when I sell my land’. That’s his primary driver. Fair enough too on an individual level but is that really going to help ensure the future of NZ primary production? I reckon there is a place for intervention in this market. What the free-marketers, ala Don N, seem to fail to understand is that we are not operating on a level playing field. Foreigners have more money than us. Therefore, without intervention, they get to own our country if they want. How is that in the best interests of New Zealanders?
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July 17, 2010 11:33am
WebWrat

Ha ha!

As gays support muslims, Ms Krill supports whales!
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July 17, 2010 11:34am
Banana Llama

i’ll go check the fridge Big Bruv, nice sunny day here i might leave them on the roof.
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July 17, 2010 11:38am
Pete George

English to New Zealand:

“Over the next five years if we follow considered and consistent policy New Zealand will be a stand-out among developed countries. We are not looking for one big hit or a one-off reform of the economy because there isn’t a big hit. What we are looking for is steady reform of the economy.”

Realism. There are no quick fixes despite a “fix it now!” society.
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July 17, 2010 12:29pm
hj

Should cyclists pay for injuries inflicted by motorists? As to other road costs most bikes are around 15kg, compare that to a car.
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Christchurch – mostly flat – was nicknamed ‘Cyclopolis’ in the early 20th century. In 1924 the city council’s motor inspector estimated that there were 40,000 cyclists in the city – half the population. A 1936 traffic census found 11,335 cyclists passed one corner of Cathedral Square between 8 a.m. and 5.30 p.m., a rate of 19 per minute. Christchurch was home to 50,000 of the 250,000 cycles in New Zealand in the late 1930s.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/bicycles/1/4
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July 17, 2010 12:42pm
Johnboy

See what happens when you let God invent the Chicken:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10659257

If only he had stuck with the loaves and fishes.

Fuck you Rex Widerstrom. 🙂
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July 17, 2010 12:47pm
Pauleastbay

How much did it cost the tax payer to bury a dead rotten fish?

Transport to autopsy – Conclusion, the fish is dead – the smell would have been enough for most people but not the legends at DOC

Transport to Tauranaga – WTF.

DOC = Wankers
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July 17, 2010 12:51pm
hj

Keith Locke says refugees wont be coming on cruise liners.
Read BJ (ex American naval officer and engineers) response
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/07/16/refugees-wont-be-booking-cruise-liners-to-nz/#comments
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July 17, 2010 12:53pm
Patrick Starr

“Anybody know where I can purchase two dozen rotten eggs?”

you could try my local dairy, – everything else there seems past its use-by date
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July 17, 2010 12:58pm
Jibbering Gibbon

Jibbering Gibbon … if you stayed with public transport you wouldn’t have to pay would you … just a matter of re-organising your lifestyle.

Public transport is the kind of disorganisation my lifestyle can do without.

If the New Zealand driver didn’t have so many accidents and claims on ACC then the fees wouldn’t be so high.

If I paid only for the accidents I had (none), and if I could get a no-claims deduction, I’d be less irritated with the gouging of Mandatory Government Health Insurance (ACC)
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July 17, 2010 1:00pm
Fletch

Watch Sunday this week for the anti-AGW view.
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July 17, 2010 1:02pm
starboard

If the New Zealand driver didn’t have so many accidents and claims on ACC then the fees wouldn’t be so high

Ive been driving for 30 years and Ive never had one single accident so I dont see why I should have to subsidise other peoples piss poor driving. Privatise ACC now.
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July 17, 2010 1:07pm
Johnboy

Perhaps Ms Krill got her silly name from here:

http://www.confidencecenter.com/renamer.html

If I insert Yvette Fondue I get. Dinky Barftush! 🙂
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July 17, 2010 1:09pm
Johnboy

If you insert David Farrar you get. Gidget Barfbuns! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Shit oh dear. 🙂
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July 17, 2010 1:14pm
Viking2

Try Nick Smith or John Key. (-)
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July 17, 2010 2:02pm
Yvette

Bien, Poopsie Monkeybrains, c’était simplement idiot
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July 17, 2010 2:07pm
Johnboy

J’ai obtenu Poopsie Toiletbrains. Pour J B Y. Yvette. 🙂
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July 17, 2010 2:13pm
Yvette

John Key – Poopsie Pottybrains
Nick Smith – Zippy Pizzashorts
Peut-être il n’est pas aussi stupide après tous.
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July 17, 2010 2:14pm
Manolo

I share the sentiment expressed by the person wrote this at No Minister, regarding Moko’s death:
“Probably the best display of pathetic, mawkish bullshit I have heard in a long time. The long speeches, crap poetry, keening, wailing chanting by our brown brethren, the utter ridiculousness of the entire circus made me hit the ‘off’ button like David Tua punches. Five minutes later, I switched on again and the bloody crime against sense was still in progress.

This is evidence NZ has dropped off the map of civilisation.”
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July 17, 2010 2:16pm
krazykiwi

@Banana Llama – Here are some choice quotes from Maurice Strong. If you value freedom and libetry then he is a very, very dangerous man.
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July 17, 2010 2:16pm
Johnboy

Je dis seulement des choses stupides au Yvette stupide. 🙂
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July 17, 2010 2:19pm
krazykiwi

Where do I go to pay my ACC for cycling?

Simple: The same place as those who participate in Archery, Basketball, Bowling, Football, Horse Racing, Running, Soccer, Motor Racing, Climbing, Golf, Hunting, Polo, Sailing, Surfing, Baseball, Boating, Cricket, Fishing, Hockey, Martial Arts, Rugby Football, Skiing, Swimming, Tennis, Field Hockey, Orienteering, Ice Hockey, Moto-x, Power Boat Racing, Chess and Tiddlywinks.
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July 17, 2010 2:27pm
Johnboy

Phil Goff = Doofus Lizardbreath!

Sounds OK to me.
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July 17, 2010 2:28pm
Yvette

“Je dis seulement des choses stupides au Yvette stupide. 🙂 ”

It would have been nice if you had put a comma in there, Johnboy, and in the right place.
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July 17, 2010 2:34pm
Kris K

krazykiwi 2:16 pm,

@Banana Llama – Here are some choice quotes from Maurice Strong. If you value freedom and libetry then he is a very, very dangerous man.

I must have missed those at the time of your earlier post. I think it’s worth reiterating them again.
From your earlier comment:

Some quotes from Maurice Strong:-

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?

.. and ..

“The Earth Summit will play an important role in reforming and strengthening the United Nations as the centerpiece of the emerging system of democratic global governance”

.. and ..

“The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. [Sovereignty] is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful.”

Maurice Strong is the founding father of the United Nations Development Program and the IPCC.

Of course this ALSO ties in with the idea of Global Government under the Antichrist as espoused in the Bible. One can begin to see the mechanisms by which both Global Governence and the rise to power of the Antichrist will come about.
More pawns being moved into position …
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July 17, 2010 2:46pm
john.bt

Maurice Strong is behind Agenda 21. The UN blueprint for “sustainable development”. And a one world government. Led by the UNDP (who do we know working there? ). Financed by the Emissions Trading Scam.

Be afraid possums, be very afraid.
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July 17, 2010 2:46pm
Johnboy

PhilU sélectionnait sur moi par mon manque de qualifications de grammaire également. 🙁
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July 17, 2010 2:50pm
wikiriwhis business

With ya Kris K @ john.bt

The ETS is going to lift up all prices and spoil the world cup along with the rise in GST.

Can some explain to me how the govt is doing us any favours.

As far as I can see the govt is destroying potential tourism industry and are basically home grown terroists.

Not to mention blocking adult students and educating a child force with no experience.

The future is dumbed down inextricably.
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July 17, 2010 2:54pm
Johnboy

La grammaire est pas importante quand vous parlez aux moutons seulement. Yvette. 🙂
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July 17, 2010 2:54pm
Yvette

john.bt – “Be afraid possums, be very afraid.”

‘Possum skins burnt to ashes under the right alignment of the Moon and stars could be an alternative to 1080, says a group which wants a $330,000 ratepayer-funded trial to test it.
But skeptics have labelled the suggestion as “complete nonsense”. The technique, possum peppering, was proposed by philosopher Rudolf Steiner in the 1920s. …
“The method requires an understanding of how energies from the universe affect life on Earth,” the funding application said. “The appropriate alignment of Earth, Moon, Venus and Scorpio at the time of burning is necessary if the method is to work well and possums are best harvested at this time. The carbon from the burnt skin interferes with the reproductive energy of the possum.” ‘

Indeed, this is looking better for us.
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July 17, 2010 3:00pm
Johnboy

Rudolf also believes that if you bury a cows horn in a corner of your field the crop will be bountiful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

Who am I to scoff! 🙂
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July 17, 2010 3:10pm
john.bt

Whatever.
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July 17, 2010 3:11pm
kaya

So how corrupt is the US political system. Government for sale?

The article’s subhed tells you all you need to know: “Why Lobbying Is Washington’s Best Bargain; Lobbyists say for just a few million, they can make clients billions:”

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/2009-lobbying-expenses-3-49-billion-dollars/
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July 17, 2010 3:19pm
kowtow

MikeNZ.

The website jihadwatch has many updates on such issues in Turkey.
Quite a few Christian clergy have been murdered there in the past few years.Our MSM tend to steer clear of these stories..
I follow the Cyprus thing from time to time.
It galls me that Turkey illegally occupies the north and runs a lawless statelet under the nose of the EU,while EU leaders and US presidents push for Turkish membership of the EU.
They’ve even shipped in Turks from the mainland to live in Cyprus.
If you needed a modern example of how the 2 communities can’t live together then Cyprus is it.
Turkey is also said to be spreading it’s influence in the Balkans again and this will have a destabalising effect in a very unstable area.
The MSM and many commentators are either willfully blind or are deliberate accomplices to Turkish expansionism .They constantly talk of secularism ,democracy and bridge building with the Arab world. Forget it ,this is part of a problem going back 1000 years and as our populations decline these people realise they can have another push at the west.
Our secularism,multiculturalist nonsense and misguided belief in human rights is handing them the keys to the future.
It’s already too late for Europe.
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July 17, 2010 3:21pm
Shunda barunda

“Of course this ALSO ties in with the idea of Global Government under the Antichrist as espoused in the Bible. One can begin to see the mechanisms by which both Global Governence and the rise to power of the Antichrist will come about.
More pawns being moved into position …”

The reality is though Kris, we are in fact destroying the planet and our society is not sustainable in it’s current form.
The Christian church is as much responsible for this as anybody else, so in a sense we have handed the keys to the “antichrist”.
Stewardship is not a sin but greed most certainly is.
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July 17, 2010 3:30pm
reid

@Manolo 11:14

Yes indeed and it’s also Whale’s front page at the mo.

Hopefully DPF being a National Party acolyte will do a post to focus his loyal fans here to vigorously debate the merits of Fran’s and Whale’s perspectives. After all, it’s not a fantasy, is it. What they both say is true, isn’t it. This is exactly what we all really hate when lefties do anything like this, don’t we.

So I’m fully expecting a detailed and as per usual, thoughtful response as soon as DPF will be able to do it since no doubt he’s currently busy at the conference.

DPF, this is not a dig at you in any way. I used to be a Nat Party Delegate. I am a loyal conservative. I have never voted left in my life. What those two are saying does merit serious thoughtful discussion for as I say, this is exactly what we criticise the left for doing, when they do it. And it stinks.
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July 17, 2010 3:40pm
krazykiwi

our society is not sustainable in it’s current form.

No society has ever been sustainable in it’s current form, from the cave man through to the present day.

The difference today is that too many powerful people think it’s their right to dicate changes in the lives of others, rather than exercise responsibility of changing their own lives.
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July 17, 2010 3:47pm
Manolo

“Hopefully DPF being a National Party acolyte will do a post to focus his loyal fans here to vigorously debate the merits of Fran’s and Whale’s perspectives.”

Hold on. Several colossal pigs just flew past my window. Some UFOs were also spotted in the vicinity.
We know DPF will not (be instructed to) comment on dissent within National Party ranks. Remember the so much awaited debate around the ETS that never eventuated?
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July 17, 2010 3:53pm
Yvette

How the ETS works –

Rodney Power Station
Genesis Energy has been granted various resource consents for the establishment, construction, operation, maintenance of a gas fired power station, and a Plan Change and Variation to the Rodney District Plans to establish a Special Zone for the power station.
– http://www.genesisenergy.co.nz/genesis/generation/our-future-developments/en/rodney-power-station.cfm
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July 17, 2010 3:59pm
Sonny Blount

Simple: The same place as those who participate in Archery, Basketball, Bowling, Football, Horse Racing, Running, Soccer, Motor Racing, Climbing, Golf, Hunting, Polo, Sailing, Surfing, Baseball, Boating, Cricket, Fishing, Hockey, Martial Arts, Rugby Football, Skiing, Swimming, Tennis, Field Hockey, Orienteering, Ice Hockey, Moto-x, Power Boat Racing, Chess and Tiddlywinks.

I pay acc for rugby with my registration fee.
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July 17, 2010 4:16pm
Honest John

krazy kiwi = reductio ad absurdum dickhead!
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July 17, 2010 4:19pm
Johnboy

Its back to ACT for me Manolo. Against all I believe in I voted for Key last time to get shot of Helen. Why did I bother?

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/07/17/is-fran-osullivan-about-to-be-banned-from-nat-party-conference/#comments
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July 17, 2010 4:20pm
reid

“debate around the ETS that never eventuated”

Personally Manolo my mileage indicates the ETS has been debated so much round here there is nothing more to be said. Positions are well known and entrenched, no-one moves, it’s incredibly boring.

Several times I’ve tried to shift it in new directions but all most seem interested in is repeating the same old arguments ad nauseum and what’s the point of that.

Anyway, relating to the Nats, the Conservative people I know don’t indulge in trying to covering up inconvenient truths like this. If something is happening that is wrong, they and I call it no matter what and they and I don’t give a flying fuck about whether anyone’s feathers get ruffled in the process. It’s a trait of human nature not politics to fuck it up and not want to tell anyone about it. However this is a situation where you’re expected to call bullshit. It’s like the senior Apple engineer that called bullshit to the management on the iphone 4’s aerial a year or so ago and now Apple’s faced with a marketing disaster. Fucking d’oh. This party issue IF it exists is exactly the same phenomena, albeit in another arena and I’d accordingly be a bit surprised if DPF didn’t have something interesting to say on this issue.

And if he doesn’t, so what? We can always discuss it on GD.
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July 17, 2010 4:22pm
reid

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July 17, 2010 4:41pm
reid

Speaking of fuck ups what about these stories about the new rule for bus lanes in Auckland.

Fucking d’oh again.

I mean how mental is it to design a system that results in:

the fear of travelling in bus lanes [causing] chaos on Symonds St, with queues of cars waiting 50m from the intersection and queues to go straight ahead. “People are getting highly frustrated and there’s a lot of tooting going on.”

FFS, you fucking fuckity fuck fuckhead moron fucks.
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July 17, 2010 4:45pm
Johnboy

Sounds just like the T2 lanes in Paramata. Fuckwits!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/2278174/Mana-T2-lanes-to-be-scrapped

Still its only our money they are spending so WGAF!
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July 17, 2010 4:58pm
Pete George

the ETS has been debated so much round here there is nothing more to be said. Positions are well known and entrenched, no-one moves, it’s incredibly boring.

Agreed, it all gets a bit tedious. There’s more chance of humans changing the climate than there is of anyone changing their minds here.

The ETS is suspect, but it’s no more going to lead to the end of the world than if the temperature went up a degree or two.
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July 17, 2010 4:58pm
Yvette

My comment 3:59 ‘How the ETS works –’ was supercilious [if that is the right word] but wondering how Rodney District can grant resource consents for Genesis to build a new gas fired station.
An acquaintance also tells me, far as he can see, there is still considerable construction going on at Huntly Power Station.
So electricity consumers are going to pay the costs of power company emissions under the ETS, and somehow this is a stick that causes the companies to build re-newable stations, and presumably de-comission fossil fuelled ones, but as yet it appears they are extending Huntly and building an entire new gas fired plant?
Thus there is no sign yet that we will do anything other than contribute to the wealth of Maori owned forests and supply windfall profits to all power companies while SOEs fail to conform to Government ETS aims.
May someone raise this at the National Conference?
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July 17, 2010 5:07pm
reid

“The ETS is suspect, but it’s hardly no more going to lead to the end of the world than if the temperature went up a degree or two.”

Jeremy Clarkson thinks it would be nice to have palm trees in London. He’s probably right.

What would you do about it, if you were the Electricity Company Yvette?
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July 17, 2010 5:11pm
Johnboy

You forget that we are being requested to hand Huntly to the Maoris Yvette and they don’t what to pay top monopoly money for shoddy goods, hence it must be tarted up at our expense first.
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July 17, 2010 5:13pm
Johnboy

Here we go.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/energy/news/article.cfm?c_id=37&objectid=10653323

Dearer than a new pair of designer nickers eh bro?
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July 17, 2010 5:22pm
Yvette

“In relation to the Huntly power station we’ve been very clear that should the Crown sell we want to buy because iwi are the best investors because we won’t sell – we’re here forever. We’re the face of the public interest in this country.”
– Tukoroirangi Morgan

So if Maori owned it, Huntly would not be phased out. So in this area, electricity generation, the carrot/stick rubbish of the ETS is meaningless. Consumers will continue to pay ETS penalties without there being any intention to change the function of Huntly. This is where the ETS will be an utter fucking scam just transferring our cash into the Government coffers with an absolute zero effect on emissions. Or if moves were made to mothball Huntly again, the iwi would require compensation?
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July 17, 2010 5:52pm
Johnboy

Yvette. Vous avez il dans un.
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July 17, 2010 5:59pm
Shunda barunda

No society has ever been sustainable in it’s current form, from the cave man through to the present day.

What an odd thing to say.
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July 17, 2010 6:23pm
reid

“No society has ever been sustainable in it’s current form”

“It has become appalingly obvious that our technology has exceded our humanity.”

Einstein

And it’s “its” not “it’s”

Never use the possessive apostrophe with an impersonal pronoun. I thought you would have known that.
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July 17, 2010 6:30pm
wat dabney

Dobbie,

For you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
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July 17, 2010 6:42pm
Viking2

Breaking News.

Diplomatic Car seen speeding towards Wellington
Game on, Springboks of course.

Oh Helen’s not here anymore.

Please call 1111 or *5555
Thanks
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July 17, 2010 6:52pm
reid

“The ETS [is] an utter fucking scam [to transfer] our cash into the Government coffers with an absolute zero effect on emissions.”

You should post that on wikipedia and dictionary.com, Yvette.
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July 17, 2010 6:53pm
Viking2

A Real Man
A real man is a woman’s best friend. He will
never stand her up and never let her down.
He will reassure her when she feels insecure
and comfort her after a bad day.

He will inspire her to do things she never
thought she could do; to live without fear
and forget regret. He will enable her to
express her deepest emotions and give in to
her most intimate desires. He will make sure
she always feels as though she’s the most
beautiful woman in the room and will enable
her to be the most confident, sexy,
seductive, and invincible.

No wait… sorry… I’m thinking of wine.
Never mind.
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July 17, 2010 6:53pm
krazykiwi

krazy kiwi = reductio ad absurdum dickhead!

@Honest John – Feel free to put up an argument.. or just throw ad hominems. Just whatever works best for you.

No society has ever been sustainable in its current form, from the cave man through to the present day.
What an odd thing to say..

@Shunda – Cave man was running out of mammoth, Victorian England was running out of coal and today it’s woe-is-us peak this, peak that. At any current time society may look to be unsustainable when current thinking and current knowledge is applied. The biggest risk is we believe ourselves and stop innovating, but I don’t think that’s likely based on our past performance
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July 17, 2010 7:28pm
Pete George

I’m not a fan of our national anthem, but I just heard at the Cake Tin the best singing of it I’ve heard. Well done guys (three of them, don’t remember their names).
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July 17, 2010 7:35pm
reid

“The biggest risk is we believe ourselves and stop innovating”

Silly me. I’ve always thought our biggest risk is we blow ourselves to hell by electing incompetent politicians but maybe I was wrong.
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July 17, 2010 7:51pm
Pete George

Not our politicians that are at risk of getting the world blown to hell, there’s little we can do about that one.
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July 17, 2010 8:24pm
reid

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July 17, 2010 8:52pm
Banana Llama

Thanks for that link KrazyKiwi i must have missed that post of yours, it goes to show why we as a sovereign nation should be very weary of signing any deals that involve the UN.
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July 17, 2010 9:51pm
Banana Llama

Some good news for you Reid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxE8L38h6U
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July 17, 2010 10:10pm
big bruv

Pete

Our anthem sucks.

The best one that springs to mind right now is the Scottish national anthem ‘flower of Scotland’ followed by the Welsh anthem.

I was lucky enough to see a game at Cardiff Arms park in 1990 between Wales and Scotland, the footy was not great but the singing from both sets of fans is something I will never forget.
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July 17, 2010 10:19pm
reid

What a great game.

We are amazing.
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July 17, 2010 10:42pm
MikeNZ

wine or no wine it was great Viking
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July 18, 2010 12:46am
MikeNZ

Johnboy (3,065) Says:
July 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

you weren’t alone.
bring your whanau and mates.
Vote your party vote to ACT next time.
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July 18, 2010 12:48am
MikeNZ

kowtow (370) Says:
July 17th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

Yes know, I’ve been following Turkey ever since I found out about the genocide in Armenia before the 1ww.
My father served in Famagusta during the insurrection and whilst he didn’t have a lot to say for the greeks, he was scathing about the Turks.
Famagusta is a ghost town now I gather.
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July 18, 2010 12:52am
MikeNZ

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/imam-behind-ground-zero-mosque-silent-about-malaysian-governments-pro-jihad-statements/?singlepage=true

Look at the moderates!
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July 18, 2010 1:52am
Manolo

Good article on US-UK relationship: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/david-cameron/7893777/David-Cameron-dont-follow-Barack-Obama.html
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