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Yvette

A remark generally hurts in proportion to its truth.
– Will Rogers
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July 15, 2010 8:01am
Yvette

“Researchers from Auckland and Otago universities, having surveyed 1100 supermarket shoppers, estimated the increase in the sale of healthy foods could be as high as 11 per cent. Most promisingly, more than two-thirds of this would be fruit and vegetables.
But, disappointingly, the study also found the amount of less-healthy food bought did not change. In the end, only a “modest” improvement in healthier purchases was recorded. The impact on overall diet was, correspondingly, very limited.”
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10658815

So, if the amount of less-healthy food is unchanged, would not an increase of healthy food in addition to that – just more food altogether – indeed be even unhealthier?
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July 15, 2010 8:03am
mattyroo

Sun’s shining, beauty day here in the BoI.

Let’s start it off with a bit of patriotism – get the hand wringers wetting themselves: http://www.mch.govt.nz/anthem/sounds/anthem-youth-choir.mp3
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July 15, 2010 8:35am
MikeNZ

Some more of the assymetrical warfare Israel faces
http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/un-moves-forward-implement-goldstone-report
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/13/hezbollah-finds-new-anti-israeli-cause/

Some get it.
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=181366

If the flotillas were legal why are democracies trying to stop them.
http://www.jpost.com/SpecialSection/Article.aspx?id=181380

Meanwhile the truth keeps outing from the mouths of the leaders but the UN does nothing.
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4445.htm
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July 15, 2010 8:39am
Inventory2

I hope that WINZ in Christchurch have jotted down this bloke’s details for future reference …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/winz-take-note.html
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July 15, 2010 8:43am
MikeNZ

Thank God some get it about Islam.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/11/obama-at-odds-with-petraeus-doctrine-on-islam/?page=4

A 2008 U.S. Central Command “Red Team” report, or contrarian analysis, warned that divorcing Islam from jihadist terrorism is a mistake.

“The sources of Islam (Quran, Hadith, Shariah) claim divine origin and include a large body of Islamic jurisprudence on warfare that is detailed, instructive and directive,” the report said. “A balanced, intellectually critical approach must be taken in order to deconstruct the prime underpinnings and language of the concept of jihad, which rest firmly in the sources of Islam and not solely as contrivances within the criminal minds of a small number of violent extremists.”

Interesting the US administration state we are against Al Quaida, but without adding and everyone who supports them not matter how they do it.
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July 15, 2010 8:46am
Jibbering Gibbon

Catchy tune there, mattyroo. Are they singing in Swahili?
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July 15, 2010 8:48am
Brian Harmer

Inventory2, I understand your point but wonder what powers (if any) that WINZ have to punish stupidity. If this fellow fronts up and seeks a benefit, my understanding is that, if he is unemployed, is actively looking for a job, and is willing to take a job if offered, there is no mechanism by which they can refuse him a benefit. The criteria for benefit eligibility don’t seem connected to any past actions that may have caused the situation.

From their website http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/individuals/a-z-benefits/unemployment-benefit.html:
You may get the Unemployment Benefit if you are not in full-time work.

You must be:

* available for, and looking for full time work
* 18 years old or over (or 16-17 if you are married or in a civil union or in a de facto relationship and have one or more children you support).

You must also (unless you are in hardship):

* be a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident
* have lived in New Zealand for at least 2 years at any one time since becoming a New Zealand citizen or resident (unless you are a refugee).
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July 15, 2010 8:56am
Manolo

Absolutely incredible that Rene Ranger gets to start as winger on the second test against the Boks. He’s a good player, but miles away from Hosea Gear.
I know it’s been analysed to death, but irks me that the AB selectors are unable to explain the perverse logic they use not to pick Gear.

Nevertheless, I hope we win on Saturday.
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July 15, 2010 9:11am
Inventory2

@ Brian Harmer – I understand that there is a stand-down period if you have just walked away from a job, as this plonker has.
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July 15, 2010 9:14am
Brian Smaller

Manolo – It wouldn’t surprise me if Gear ended up playing rugby overseas before too long.
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July 15, 2010 9:24am
Brian Harmer

You are right Inventory2 … 13 weeks but you can circumvent this by undertaking a “recompliance” activity which can be one of:
* satisfactory participation in a job seeker development activity or
* satisfactory participation in Voluntary Work or
* part-time work (in the case of a part-time work tested partner)
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July 15, 2010 9:27am
hj

Wednesday, July 14, 2010
Green warns against arming prejudiced police

Greens co-leader Meteria Turei says arming the police in the wake of yesterday’s non-fatal shooting of two police officers in Christchurch could lead to more Maori suspects and even innocent bystanders being killed.

Ms Turei says it’s understandable that calls to arm the police follow such incidents.

But she says such decisions should be based on a proper assessment of the benefits and risks … including the long standing pattern of discrimination shown by higher arrest and prosecution rates for Maori.

“The more you arm the police, the more likely it is that not only offenders be shot and killed, but that innocent people will be shot and killed, and because we know that there is a tendency to focus on Maori offenders, that the police haven’t dealt with all the discriminatory filters within their own systems and personally which means that Maori are more likely to be targeted, then the Maori community is at particular risk,” Ms Turei says.

She says Police Minister Judith Collins, like her predecessors, has never acknowledged the extent of discrimination against Maori by the police
waateablogspot.com
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July 15, 2010 9:55am
Inventory2

@ Brian Harmer – ah well; with a name like BRADFORD, you’d think he would know his way around the system 😉
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July 15, 2010 10:02am
david

Careful there Inventory2, if you demonise Bradfords we might end up with a “hug-a-Bradford day”

Doesn’t bear too much thought between the bouts of nausea really
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July 15, 2010 10:08am
Brian Harmer

Are we talking about a son of Max or Sue? 😉
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July 15, 2010 10:15am
Manolo

“including the long standing pattern of discrimination shown by higher arrest and prosecution rates for Maori.”

Yes, my heart bleeds for such bastards.

The misguided Luddite leader should get a grip on reality and recognise the serious problems besetting Maori, instead of highlighting the consequences. Let’s start with Maoridom accepting and promoting personal responsibility, shall we?
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July 15, 2010 10:15am
grumpyoldhori

MikeNZ how do I put this, oh yes, fuck the Israelis, you visitors to NZ may be in favour of them stealing our passports but it tends to piss we kiwis off.

Now what would be amusing is for the Israelis to wake up and find 200,000 pissed off Turks dug in along their border.
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July 15, 2010 10:17am
Jibbering Gibbon

Green warns against arming prejudiced police etc etc…

Couple of things:

Police aren’t leading the escalation, only responding to it

Sending unarmed Police into potential firefights will increase the number of people killed – namely, the police officers

Refusing to respond to increases of armed incidents with equal force will escalate armed incidences: offenders who know they can shoot to kill at leisure will do so

The threat of immediate armed response lessens the likelihood of any shots being fired – the power/control issues of the situation are initially balanced

When an offender points a gun, the level of threat isn’t classified by ethnicity. Bullets aren’t maori or asian or european. If maori or any other group are pointing more guns, that’s something for them to address, not the unarmed targets they’re shooting at.

Things NZders must accept:

The cops are heavy, they aren’t your brother. It’s nice when you meet one that can still function on a friendly social level after being exposed to the horrors of our society at a level of intensity you’d only otherwise find in military active duty. Stop making them out to be role models. They aren’t. They’re real live average humans doing a hard and sometimes nasty job. While we try to make them fit the image of cutesie-pie officer looking after little johnny lost at the fair, we’ll never support decisions that will ultimately keep those same cops alive to do work we can’t or won’t.

As average humans, there will always be accidents or incidences of operational neglect where bystanders are killed. Painful as it is, we need to accept that. Cops don’t go round shooting people for entertainment, criminals do. If they slip up, the media hounds them night and day, without right of reply, with unsubstantiated facts and sometimes even their own come down on them like a ton of bricks. The number of bystanders killed, while regrettable and of extreme discomfort to their families, is a lot lower statistically than the number of cops getting killed or the number of violent crimes undertaken. Life can be a bitch. Accept it. While quality of training can be improved, no improvements will completely stop accidents.
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July 15, 2010 10:29am
tom hunter

Now what would be amusing is for the Israelis to wake up and find 200,000 pissed off Turks dug in along their border.

Macho posturing. Geopolitical ignorance. Historic ignorance. Glee at the thought of Jews under the gun.

Another grumpyoldhory day ending in “Y”.
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July 15, 2010 10:36am
MikeNZ

Grumpy
Sadly I am more of a patriot than you in that coming here I have become a Kiwi citizen and am no longer a visitor.

You also need to get your head round the fact that both the Australian and NZ SIS, “steal” identity documents all the time as do any halfway decent Intelligence organisation if they can’t print them themselves.

I am worried about your sanity as Turkey is possibly on the precipice of becoming another Sharia compliant Islamic state.
So your glee is stupid, unless you are a supporter of Islam, in which case you are dangerous.

Being a supporter of Islam means you support Sharia Law and all that it entails for both Muslims and non-Muslims.
That actually makes you an enemy of New Zealand and our democracy and way of life. Think carefully on what you wish for.

A few Turks will just add to the targets for Israel to neutralize when the next war starts.

Since 2006 Lebanon has had 60,000 “visitors” from Iran alone to help the North Korean and Syrian engineers and communication advisors they’ve had working right under (in some cases) the UNFIL forces in the South of the country.

Wake up fatboy, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards control and direct Hizbullah, just as they have assisted other groups in setting up their terrorist/intelligence organs in Europe, Africa, South Asia and South America.
You Islamist pals won’t stop at Jerusalem.
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July 15, 2010 10:46am
Pete George

The Aussie police carry weapons – it would be worth comparing their rate of police and bystander casualties with ours.
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July 15, 2010 10:49am
Murray

mattyroo thats a Maori song using the tune of the New Zealand national anthem. It not the national anthem.

Never has been, never will be.
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July 15, 2010 11:02am
virtualmark

Grumpyoldhori …

Now what would be amusing is for the Israelis to wake up and find 200,000 pissed off Turks dug in along their border

I’m intrigued as to how you think that would come about? Are the Turks going to invade Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt? Which will it be?
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July 15, 2010 11:09am
hj

Rayna Fahey is a supporter of the Black GST and decolonisation and Treaty activist formerly from Aotearoa New Zealand. Also was Green party advisor to Nandor Tanczos as in.

“On a Green Party internet forum of 26th January 2006 Mr Tanczos had stated;

If we say ‘well Pakeha have the power now, so tough’ and base our occupation on simple domination, then we have to prepare ourselves for permanent civil unrest and eventually when the demographics change enough, for outright war. I have spoken to people who see this as the future, and it frightens the hell out of me. ”
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2007/12/tanczos-denies-knowing-urewera-17_02.html
http://www.blackgst.com
http://www.stolenwealthgames.com
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/print.html?path=HL0603/S00119.htm
–
What if the boil erupted into an incident who would be to blame?
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July 15, 2010 11:13am
Johnboy

Grumpyoldhori seems to be in awe of the Turks. They are all he ever talks about.

I suspect he is 113 years old and the last survivor of Gallipoli.
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July 15, 2010 11:14am
Murray

Grumpy. What makes you think that:
A. Israel isn’t surounded by 200 MILLION entrenched Arabs already and
B. that they lack the capacity to fuck those said 200 million Arabs up real bad every time they invade?

Here is your hint: The last 70 years.

Finally why is is it that you find a situation of a people being exterminated as implied by your comment “amusing”?

And fuck you brown-neck refugees from Taiwan bitching with your hands out 24/7. No one owe you shit, get the hell over yourselves. Just another anti-Semite arshole and we’ve already demonstrated what happens to them. “We kiwis” are fucking sick of your shit.
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July 15, 2010 11:15am
gazzmaniac

The new NZ national anthem
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July 15, 2010 11:18am
grumpyoldhori

Murray, Brown necked Taiwanese LOL.
Now a touch of information for you, Arabs are Semites, unlike a lot of Israelis, because being a Jew is not being a member of a race it is a religion, so the term anti-Semite really is a waste of time.

The Turks are not Arabs, and if you read a touch of history concerning Gallipoli etc you will realise they are a just a bit more difficult to deal with than Arabs.
No,make that a lot more difficult.
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July 15, 2010 11:46am
Johnboy

These Arabs kicked some Turkish ass OK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_revolt
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July 15, 2010 12:03pm
grumpyoldhori

MikeNZ yep, we had another so called dual citizen in this country.
Now in your eyes no doubt he did the right thing by committing treason, then running home to Israel.
So tell me, why should we native born trust immigrants when by the tone of your posts you would put Israel and the USA before NZ ?

The Middle East, let me be blunt, unlike your family mine has got five of it’s members buried in the Middle East, two of them from clearing the Turks out of Palestine which should have been left in Turkish hands.
So if Iran and Israel end up nuking each other and taking the rest of the Middle East with them I could not give a flying fuck.

Hey, with any luck the rapture will arrive for you bible bashing yanks.
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July 15, 2010 12:05pm
Brian Harmer

# Murray (5,562) Says:
July 15th, 2010 at 11:02 am

mattyroo thats a Maori song using the tune of the New Zealand national anthem. It not the national anthem.

Never has been, never will be.

According to the Ministry of Culture and Heritage who administer such things, it was gazetted as official on 21 November 1977. The Maori version is not some new thing, and was commissioned by Governor Grey in 1878
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July 15, 2010 12:10pm
tom hunter

The Turks are not Arabs, and if you read a touch of history concerning Gallipoli etc you will realise they are a just a bit more difficult to deal with than Arabs.

I don’t how often I’ve seen GHO talk up the Turkish military capabilities, always with bloody Gallipoli as his touchstone.

While no one has ever doubted that the individual Turkish soldier is a tough bastard, there is more to a military than that.

The Turks could strategically win at Gallipoli where the defensive advantages were all on their side, even as the Allied forces machine gunned and shelled the living crap out of them. Their losses were so great that they never even came close to actually pushing the attackers into the sea – but then they did not need to. Ataturk went on to do some great (and some awful) things with his nation – and what he said of our boys lying in Turkish ground is something to be treasured. But he and the rest of the Turkish Army were no better (and no worse) than any other WWI force in dealing with trenches, artillery and machine guns in fixed positions that could not be flanked.

The result was that – as with the rest of WWI – Turkish casualties and deaths were as high as the Allied forces. In fact they were a little higher.

By the same token, once the Turkish Army was engaged in open warfare throughout the Middle East by the Commonwealth forces they proved to be relatively easy to defeat – ‘easy’ at least in comparison to the Germans. And of course they rather had their ass kicked by those Arabs as well.
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July 15, 2010 12:17pm
grumpyoldhori

tom hunter the Turks were easy to defeat ? I wonder why they fucked up the Brits and French so badly in the first battle of Beersheba ?
The Arabs, good only for digging up the dead of both the Turks and allies to rob them, no wonder the Aussies cheered on the Turks making a mess of Arabs while they waited for the Turks to surrender to them.
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July 15, 2010 12:42pm
Kris K

grumpyoldhori 11:46 am,

Now a touch of information for you, Arabs are Semites …

Oh, I get it, Hori isn’t an anti-Semite (anti Jew), he’s actually a pro-Semite (pro Arab/Muslim).

Of course he ignores the common usage of ‘anti-Semite’, and that the Jews (by blood) are the ONLY decendants of Noah’s son Shem that have remained racially pure, and are able to trace their heritage back to him.

Hori actually argues like the Islamist historic revisionists do – they base their assertions on LIES, and then keep piling on more LIES until the useful idiots accept their assertions as fact. Bottom line is that Hori is either a closet Islamist, or one of their useful idiots – I’ll go with the latter.
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July 15, 2010 12:47pm
Johnboy

Tom Hunter has it right GOH you are full of it.

“The attack soon developed into a classic cavalry charge. The 4th A.L.H. simply galloped over two lines of Turkish trenches. Part of the brigade then dismounted to attack the trenches, while the rest galloped on into Beersheba. There they found a Turkish column preparing to retreat. The sudden appearance of the Australian cavalry caused panic. Most of the 1,500 prisoners captured by the Desert Mounted Corps on 31 October were taken during the charge of the 4th A.L.H. The Australians suffered very light casualties during the charge of 32 killed and 32 wounded, most of them in the attack on the trenches east of Beersheba.

The capture of Beersheba, with its wells intact, allowed Allenby to continue with his wider plan. A night attack at Gaza on 1/2 November convinced the Turks that the attack on Beersheba had been a feint, although the Germans were more suspicious. A counterattack north of Beersheba did not distract Allenby, and on 6-7 November the Turks were forced out of the entire Gaza position. ”

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_beersheba.html
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July 15, 2010 1:05pm
Johnboy

Further reading Grumpy:

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_gazaIII.html
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July 15, 2010 1:09pm
Johnboy

Speaking of Gallipoli here is an interesting article concerning Otto Liman von Sanders (the well known Turk. 🙂 ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Liman_von_Sanders

In particular note:

“Initially Liman formed a very low opinion of the Ottoman army and its political leadership. In July 1914 (with the war about to start),”

and:

“Liman tried to dissuade Enver from implementing the plan, but his advice was ignored and Enver Pasha personally led the Ottoman army into its worst defeat of World War I at the Battle of Sarikamis. Cemal Pasha was given the task of attacking the Suez Canal; his personal military advisor was the German Friedrich Freiherr Kress von Kressenstein. The attack on the Suez also failed, although without enormous losses.”

and:

“A shaken Enver Pasha returned to Istanbul and took command of the Ottoman army in the area around the capital. However immediately after a huge British and French fleet destroyed the Ottoman forts along the Dardanelles (18 March 1915), Enver turned over command to Liman von Sanders. Defending the Ottoman government was now in the hands of the German general.”

And:

“Liman had little time to organize the defences, but he had two things in his favor. First, the Ottoman 5th Army was the best army they had, some 84,000 well-equipped soldiers in six divisions. Second, he was helped by poor Allied leadership. Instead of using their massive fleet to force a passage through the straits to Istanbul, the British and French admirals called for ground troops to capture the Dardanelles peninsula so their battleships could sail on into the Sea of Marmara unmolested. Liman had just over a month to prepare. Then, on 23 April 1915, the British landed a major force at Cape Helles. One of Liman’s best decisions during this time was to promote Mustafa Kemal (later known as Atatürk) to commander of the 19th division. Kemal’s division literally saved the day for the Ottomans. His troops marched up on the day of the invasion and occupied the ridge line above the ANZAC landing site, just as the ANZAC troops were moving up the slope themselves. Kemal recognized the danger and personally made sure his troops held the ridge line. They were never forced off despite constant attacks for the next five months.

From April to November 1915 (when the decision to evacuate was made), Liman had to fight off numerous attacks against his defensive positions. The British tried another landing at Suvla Bay, but this also was halted by the Ottoman defenders. The only bright spot for the British in this entire operation was that they managed to evacuate their positions without much loss. However, this battle was a major victory for the Ottoman army and some of the credit is given to the generalship of Liman von Sanders.”

And:

“In 1918, the last year of the war, Liman von Sanders took over command of the Ottoman army in Palestine, replacing the German General Erich von Falkenhayn who had been defeated by British General Allenby at the end of 1917.
Main article: Sinai and Palestine Campaign

Liman was hampered by the significant decline in power of the Ottoman army. His forces were unable to do anything more than occupy defensive positions and wait for the British attack. The attack was a long time in coming, but when General Allenby finally unleashed his army, the entire Ottoman army was destroyed in a week of fighting (see the Battle of Megiddo). In the rout, Liman was nearly captured by British soldiers.”

It all adds up to German skill at command and British incompetence.
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July 15, 2010 1:21pm
Manolo

How on earth could people want this deranged clown as their next mayor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os3KTA8JSEs&feature=player_embedded

Courtesy: Whale Oil
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July 15, 2010 1:23pm
Tauhei Notts

Johnboy,
Thank you for your contribution. I have often thought that Gallipoli must have been a huge fuck up. That is after much reading on the subject, but no author I have read has put it so succinctly as you have.
It is people like you that make this one of the best blog sites, although occasionally you write some crap.
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July 15, 2010 2:18pm
WebWrat

“The Islamists and the Leftists have the same goal. Absolute power. Islam like Communism is a means to that end”

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2010/07/islam-and-left-two-sides-of-same-coin.html
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July 15, 2010 2:29pm
MikeNZ

Grumpy

The Middle East, let me be blunt, unlike your family mine has got five of it’s members buried in the Middle East, two of them from clearing the Turks out of Palestine which should have been left in Turkish hands.
So if Iran and Israel end up nuking each other and taking the rest of the Middle East with them I could not give a flying fuck.

Hey, with any luck the rapture will arrive for you bible bashing yanks.

Turks should have kept Palestine?
They had it for 400yrs and did nothing with it, they were absent landlords apart from the land they sold to Jews.
You clearly don’t have a scent of common sense in you do you?

Where has Israel ever said she will attack or destroy others in the last 40yrs?
Indeed she has acted with restraint again and again, unlike Iran who with the moves the Revolutionary Guards have made to spread an organisational terrorist base worldwide are a threat to all freedom loving people everywhere.

Whether the rapture arrives for bible bashing yanks (which I’m not) I don’t know but I do know stricking your head up your arse like you are doing, over Islam and Iran and all that Sharia Law as they use it, is not sensible nor prudent.

Wake up and get some balls and some brains, we need every man jack we can find.
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July 15, 2010 2:44pm
Rex Widerstrom

Yes yes yes, the world is full of doom, gloom and insanity. But the truly groundbreaking news of the day is surely that we can now be sure the chicken came before the egg, thus denying ourselves the use of a favourite maxim (and putting an end to one of the world’s lamest risque jokes).
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July 15, 2010 2:48pm
grumpyoldhori

Kris K nope, I do not give a fuck about Arabs or any bugger in the Middle East.
Unlike too many on this board I put NZ first, and the Aussies second.
Knowing the history of the mad bastards in the Middle East I would give them ten years before they nuke each other.

So we owe the Middle East what ?
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July 15, 2010 2:50pm
backster

PETE GEORGE…….Greg O’Connor stated recently that more Kiwi Cops were shot in the past ten years than in the whole of Australia and more Armed Offenders were shot by Kiwi Cops than in Australia… The only NZ bystander ever shot in my memory was the recent case.
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July 15, 2010 3:00pm
MikeNZ

Wake up Grumpy
The Iranians are torturing their own people left right and centre because they want democracy, in particular their young people.
Their economy is controlled by the religious oligarchy and the revolutionary guards companies.
Do you honestly think they are safe with Nukes?
Do you honestly think if they get them, that it doesn’t matter to us here at the end of the earth?
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July 15, 2010 3:00pm
Johnboy

I hope you are satisfied with what you have just done here Rex.

I too heard this news but endeavoured to keep it quiet.

You do know what you’ve started I hope.

Every Christian that frequents this blog will take this as proof positive that God created the Chicken. 🙂
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July 15, 2010 3:04pm
Inventory2

Well Johnboy, if the chicken preceded the egg, it must have come from somewhere … 😉
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July 15, 2010 3:07pm
Johnboy

I told you so! 🙂
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July 15, 2010 3:08pm
Kris K

Johnboy 3:04 pm,

I hope you are satisfied with what you have just done here Rex. …
Every Christian that frequents this blog will take this as proof positive that God created the Chicken.

It’s good to see science occassionally catch up with what us Christians have known all along, Johnboy.

But what I want to know is did the first two chickens have belly buttons? 😉
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July 15, 2010 3:28pm
Rex Widerstrom

So God sat down and decided to create a bird from scratch. He had an infinite number of design options available.

And what he came up with was something that was both extremely tasty and which couldn’t fly.

Then he decided that it’s unborn offspring should also be extremely tasty.

So he’s either possessed of sick sense of humour or utterly no design sense, then.

😀 *hides from the approaching crowd of torch-bearing and pitchfork wielding Christians*
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July 15, 2010 3:29pm
Rex Widerstrom

But what I want to know is did the first two chickens have belly buttons

Ah ha!! I heard Stephen Fry ask recently why, in Michelangelo’s famous Sistine Chapel fresco, in which God is giving life to Adam, Adam has a belly button?! By rights, having been created and not born, he should be bereft of such appendage, of course.

No doubt a forthcoming Dan Brown novel will have the answer! 😀

Fry also commented that, had Michelangelo been straight, the roof of the Sistine Chapel would have been painted white. With a roller 😀
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July 15, 2010 3:35pm
Johnboy

Which chapter of the bible recounts the trials and tribulations of Colonel Sanders? 🙂

Were the 11 secret herbs and spices a gift from God? 🙂
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July 15, 2010 3:36pm
Kris K

Rex Widerstrom 3:29 pm,

And what he came up with was something that was both extremely tasty and which couldn’t fly.

God obviously didn’t foresee the Maori coming to New Zealand and setting up Kentucky Fried Moa™ …
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July 15, 2010 3:39pm
Kris K

[Bugger, Johnboy beat me to it]
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July 15, 2010 3:44pm
Johnboy

Would good looking female Angels have hot wings?
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July 15, 2010 3:49pm
Rex Widerstrom

Johnboy asks:

Which chapter of the bible recounts the trials and tribulations of Colonel Sanders?

None. He was too late – God had already sold the product placement rights before the Colonel could bid. Hence the Book of Maccabees (aka “Maccas”) 😀
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July 15, 2010 4:18pm
Put it away

Crikey !
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/3922603/Off-the-record-tweet-goes-public
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July 15, 2010 4:20pm
grumpyoldhori

MikeNZ Israel worried about Iran getting nukes, fine, invade, I care as much about Muslims in Iran as I do about Christians in Lebanon who were bombed by the IDF.
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July 15, 2010 5:03pm
Johnboy

” I care as much about Muslims in Iran as I do about Christians in Lebanon who were bombed by the IDF.”

For a joker who doesn’t give a shit you sure waffle on about it a lot Grumpy. 🙂
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July 15, 2010 5:12pm
jackp

I read in the Herald that a young kiwi was caught today who allegedly assisted in kicking a 29 year old man in the head 14 times in Darwin. It took 2 years to catch him in Sidney. They caught and convicted one of the “kickers” and convicted him to 20 years and won’t be elligible for parole in 2022. It is good to see somewhere justice prevails and not that far away too.
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July 15, 2010 5:41pm
big bruv

And from the credit where it is due department….

John Key will announce at the National party conference this weekend an extension to the ninety day trial period that will mean that every business in NZ can take the chance on a new employee, this is fantastic news.

Key will also announce that the National Government is about to introduce legislation that will enable an employer to ban unions from his business.

This is great stuff from National, now, get stuck into the welfare bludgers and DPB slappers.
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July 15, 2010 6:08pm
dad4justice

And cranky old fat fools who watch big TV screens eh blouse?
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July 15, 2010 6:12pm
big bruv

Worried you might have to get a job and start paying child maintenance D4J?
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July 15, 2010 6:14pm
dad4justice

Unlike you fat boy blouse I have a job. Get a grip coward.
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July 15, 2010 6:27pm
dime

bruv! are you serious about the banning unions from a business?? my god! i think im gonna %$&#
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July 15, 2010 6:32pm
dad4justice

Hey dime are you in a civil union with that cowardly smear big blouse?
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July 15, 2010 6:33pm
big bruv

Dime

The language TVNZ used was “deny access” I think.

Fair enough as wel.
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July 15, 2010 6:35pm
dime

d4j – go fuck yourself 🙂 and stop beating your wife n kids
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July 15, 2010 6:40pm
dime

bruv – thats awesome news.
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July 15, 2010 6:41pm
dad4justice

“and stop beating your wife n kids”

Say that to my face c###!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cowards, cowards, cowards…..
You gutless wonder dime .
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July 15, 2010 6:44pm
Johnboy

Meanwhile back at the coalface:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10658858

“The cuts over four years – revealed in Budget papers released last week – include $4 million from mental health training, $4.2 million from the Like Minds Like Mine mental health campaign, $5 million from mental health research and $6 million from mental health promotion programmes.”

Include $4 million from mental health training:…… We train them to be mental….FFS.

$4.2 million from the Like Minds Like Mine mental health campaign!…. WTF. …I never needed role models to become a nutter!

$6 million from mental health promotion programmes!…… Labour were promoting becoming a nutter? Thats one way to gain Labour voters I guess! 🙂
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July 15, 2010 6:49pm
Stuart Mackey

dad4justice (6,540) Says:
July 15th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

Say that to my face c###!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cowards, cowards, cowards…..
You gutless wonder dime .
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Ahh, the internet tough guy routine.
So what are you going to do if he tells you that to your face? belt him, get arrested for assault, convicted etc? Of course that also assumes that you know more about fighting than him, because if you don’t, you will also get a hiding.

Do try and think a little clearer next time you respond to silly comments.
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July 15, 2010 6:50pm
dad4justice

Hey Farrar does that dime cowardly c### get any demerits for that cruel comment as if I said it you would ban me?

And Stew try saying that dime smear to a good dad down at your local and then ring me from your hospital ward so I can send flowers.
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July 15, 2010 6:50pm
dad4justice

Fucking cowards excel on the internet!
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July 15, 2010 6:55pm
big bruv

D4J

Have you ever heard the old saying about not dishing it out if you cannot take it?
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July 15, 2010 6:57pm
Johnboy

Just don’t rise to their taunts Dad. They do it just to get you riled and its working. Ignore them and they will soon lose interest.
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July 15, 2010 6:58pm
nickb

Bruv did you get my comment on yesterdays GD?

Bruv, I have generally heard that when going over about 40 inches, go for plasma over LCD. Mates that work at JB, Dick Smith etc have all told me the same thing.

I got a 42 inch plasma from JB hifi for about $900 a year ago, it was a budget sounding kind of brand I have never heard of (Soniq) but it is bloody awesome, the rugby on sky is great. Definitely give JB a look.
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July 15, 2010 6:59pm
dad4justice

“Have you ever heard the old saying about not dishing it out if you cannot take it?”

Hey coward my name is Peter Burns what is yours you cowardly c###? Front up blouse you pathetic chicken. How long can you yellow-backed cowards throw shit without consequences?
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July 15, 2010 6:59pm
big bruv

nickb

Yes I did thanks mate.

Johnboy

If you check back you will find (once again) D4J was the instigator, I tend to take the approach of ignoring him these days as he is clearly mad, but every once in a while he comes up with something so blindingly stupid that a response just has to be made.
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July 15, 2010 7:05pm
dad4justice

Got a real name blouse or dime? Thought not, you cowardly creeps are laughable wimps of NO SUBSTANCE!

“D4J was the instigator,”

Burst into tears – quick blouse tell Farrar so I can be banned you jellyfish! You are good at that eh fatty.
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July 15, 2010 7:06pm
Johnboy

Yeah yeah I know BB. I just hate tormenting wounded animals.

When I shot deer I always tried to hold off on the trigger till I had a quick, clean, killing shot.

I always took an instant dislike to pricks that wounded them to death.
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July 15, 2010 7:10pm
mattyroo

Bruv, If you’re looking for a new tele, go for LED, sharper screen, and also uses much less power. I know that using less power is the antithesis of us righties, but it does make your powerbill lower, which even we can’t complain about.
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July 15, 2010 7:12pm
dad4justice

Did the deer have a name Johnboy or did he call you a wife and child beater?

Animals have better habits that cowardly bloggers like dime and blouse.
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July 15, 2010 7:12pm
Johnboy

All of them were called beautiful Dad.

Just ignore the taunts. Some people enjoy watching others suffer.

Maybe they used to pull wings off flies when they were little.
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July 15, 2010 7:16pm
big bruv

mattyroo

Is LED better for watching sport?, sometimes on those big screens the colours bleed.

And by the way, wash your mouth out, 🙂 if I have a TV that uses a shit load of power then as far as I am concerned that is something to be proud of.
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July 15, 2010 7:17pm
dad4justice

Johnboy – I hear that the insane blouse has a d4j doll and he spends all night on the couch watching a huge TV screen poking the crap outta the poor doll, meanwhile dime is outback in the dog kennel. He should have his power disconnected so he can do some other healthy activity.
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July 15, 2010 7:18pm
Stuart Mackey

dad4justice (6,545) Says:
July 15th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

Hey coward my name is Peter Burns what is yours you cowardly c###? Front up blouse you pathetic chicken. How long can you yellow-backed cowards throw shit without consequences?
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And then what D4J? what are you going to do? call him names?
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July 15, 2010 7:20pm
Johnboy

Now now Dad. Its stuff like that brings on the retaliation.

You have far more interesting things to say than that. Lets hear some of them.
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July 15, 2010 7:21pm
dad4justice

Johnboy – get a blog of your own, then see how many malicious emails you receive in a week and get back to me. These creeps never stop the attack , because cowards excel on the internet. Nobody would be able to say those things to me face to face without justifiable repercussions. I think my days as a blogger are coming to an end. One day back in the real world I might bump into the dime-blouse type creature on the street. Who knows, but this bullshit is so funny it makes me vomit.

Stew Mac – go change your nappies boy. Yuck.
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July 15, 2010 7:30pm
redeye

I’ve got a Sony Bravia and use the My Sky HD. I really couldn’t ask for a better picture. If it were any better I doubt my eyes could pick it.

The high definition slow-mos they broadcast in the WC were fucken amazing.
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July 15, 2010 7:44pm
Johnboy

I only come here for a bit of a laugh Dad. I couldn’t be bothered with a blog of my own, not enough to say anyway.

The day you take it seriously is the day you should give it away. Most of what you read here is shit and the rest is crap.

Just go with the flow and take the piss out of the really earnest ones. 🙂
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July 15, 2010 7:50pm
big bruv

Here it is …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3923138/Government-to-extend-worker-probation
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July 15, 2010 7:58pm
dad4justice

Cheers Johnboy you are right.
Take care mate.
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July 15, 2010 7:58pm
mattyroo

No, doesn’t seem to bleed at all Bruv, I’ve only had it about 3 weeks and not had a chance to watch a lot of sport on it. Watched some of the Soccer on it, and think it’s fantastic. I’ve got a 40″ Samsung. Found it to be the best picture quality when buying – I’m a bit biased to Samsung, as I always like their product and find it always reliable and top quality.
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July 15, 2010 8:00pm
Johnboy

“The CTU was outraged by the plan.”

Must be a good plan then BB.
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July 15, 2010 8:00pm
big bruv

Mattyroo

The real test (I have found) to see if a TV bleeds colour is when the dutch play football in their orange strip, a lot of larger TV’s bleed so badly it is like the players have a orange ghost following them around the pitch.

If the Samsung does not bleed then I might go that way.
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July 15, 2010 8:03pm
Hurf Durf

Grumpyoldhori is Luc Hansen’s split personality.
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July 15, 2010 8:04pm
big bruv

Not only the CTU Johnboy, our ‘pals’ over at the Standard are going into melt down mode. 🙂
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July 15, 2010 8:04pm
Johnboy

Upgraded to a “Brilliant Plan” in that case. 🙂
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