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Yvette

Normal love isn’t interesting. I assure you that it’s incredibly boring.
– Roman Polanski
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July 14, 2010 8:01am
hj

Attn Keith Locke:
“It is impossible for nations not to keep their eyes on other nations, corporations not to keep their eyes on other corporations and individuals not to keep their eyes on other people.”

Read more: Russian Spies and Strategic Intelligence | STRATFOR

http://tinyurl.com/2cjhj2r
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July 14, 2010 8:09am
hj

Has anyone noticed how people guilty of criminal behaviour echo civil libertarians (excuses/views) and the prison reform people. Eg the wife of the P Lab man who executed the undercover policemen said (something like): “how am I going to get on. What’s the use of sending someone to prison”. Many of those peoples views seem to hint that the law is semi voluntary/ questionable? E.g a program about noise control: the young guy was proud of the fact that he was going to continue “tonight, tomorrow and the next night”. When the police arrived the woman at the scene wanted a search warrant, then said: “I’ll let you, you and you on to the property”.
PS One day a farmer is shot it will be a race issue as people like Tariana Turia, the Greens and assorted haters and wreckers have been priming them for a couple of decades.
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July 14, 2010 8:22am
Murray

Sodomising a 13 year old is “love”?

Well then on those standards, yes, my idea of love is “boring”.
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July 14, 2010 8:22am
Jibbering Gibbon

“I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats though.”
Elton John.

He won’t get on with the muzzies.
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July 14, 2010 8:26am
Murray

Who the hell does Jib?
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July 14, 2010 8:41am
Viking2

Oh yey, someones getting the message at loooooong last. Govt. milk tit shortened.

Anti-smoking initiatives hit by $12m funding cut
By Adam Bennett
4:00 AM Wednesday Jul 14, 2010

Anti-tobacco groups say campaigns have helped to reduce the number of smokers.

Funding of anti-smoking initiatives has been cut by the Government by $12 million, with the agency that runs the successful Smoking – Not Our Future campaign bearing the brunt.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10658636
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July 14, 2010 8:48am
Viking2

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Those that critcized Power may now eat humble PIE.

Hubbard investors won’t get money back any time soon
6:50 PM Tuesday Jul 13, 2010

Allan Hubbard’s statutory manager Grant Thornton has released its first report showing investors in his Aorangi Securities shouldn’t expect any money back any time soon and warns it is concerned about a lack of paper work.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10658568

And when you’ve eaten that bit of humble here’s another PIE issue.

Investors lose 13 per cent in closed ASB trusts
By Tamsyn Parker
4:00 AM Wednesday Jul 14, 2010

An Auckland couple whose investment with the ASB has shrunk by 13 per cent say they are angry the bank is closing down 10 trusts without giving them a chance to recoup their loses.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10658620

Time interest rates went further down and banks had to make the money back from their shareholders like the rest of us.
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July 14, 2010 8:54am
Falafulu Fisi

Congratulation & well done to the Handley brothers, their team and investors from Hyperfactory software company, who have been reported in the news to have sold the company to a US buyer for ~$70 millions. Geoff Ross (of 42-below) was reported in recent months to have bought a chunk of the company (ie, Hyperfactory) and I am wondering if Mr Ross, helped the sales’ process in trying to pitch it to other tech investors/companies in the US. Mr Ross made a right move in buying into Hyperfactory.
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July 14, 2010 8:57am
Inventory2

@ Viking2 – Power’s actions may have seemed heavy-handed at the time, but I’m sure he wouldn’t have taken such a step without due diligence, and it seems that he was right.
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July 14, 2010 8:59am
Manolo

Good fisking of the ETS by Jon Morgan in business section of today’s DomPost. Unfortunately the article is not online yet.
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July 14, 2010 9:08am
Pete George

Consumer weighs in on the ETS

“With its extra costs for consumers, few benefits and labyrinthine rules, it’s hard to find much to like about this scheme.”

http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/emissions-trading-scheme
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July 14, 2010 9:40am
Manolo

P.G. stole my thunder. With eternal thanks to the sober and rational Nick Smith who gave us the new tax, I quote Consumer:

“Courtesy of the emissions trading scheme (ETS), households can expect to pay a couple of hundred dollars extra a year in fuel and electricity costs.

You might think that doesn’t sound too bad – a bargain even – if it delivers a sizable dent in greenhouse gas emissions. That’s unlikely to happen.

The ETS is our belated attempt to meet obligations under the Kyoto Protocol. We’ve signed up to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2012. Gross emissions are now sitting 22 percent above 1990 levels and the best estimates are the ETS will knock off a mere 1 percent by 2012.

With its extra costs for consumers, few benefits and labyrinthine rules, it’s hard to find much to like about this scheme.”

But we know DPF likes it 🙂
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July 14, 2010 9:47am
Pete George

Sounds like the two are better known to the police now.

Charges laid after cycle incident

Police have charged a 41-year-old Outram woman with unlawfully taking a bicycle, dangerous driving, and assault with a weapon after an altercation with two cyclists at the weekend.

Police were still seeking one other person – the woman’s 17-year-old daughter – in relation to the incident, and it was likely she would also be charged.
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July 14, 2010 9:58am
Johnboy

““I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats though.”
Elton John. ”

Elton’s right, sheep are much nicer than goats. 🙂
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July 14, 2010 9:59am
wikiriwhis business

Want I want to know are the conditions of the 250 mill the govt is borrowing from China each week

Have we signed over our sovereignty.

Not a foolish q considering the word sovereignty is not in the political lexicon any more

Is there a deadline for repayments?

Why are children being asked to learn Mandarin. First sign of a takeover, learning the language of the occupiers.

Ask any Maori.
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July 14, 2010 10:18am
cabbage

@wikiriwhis

And Yet the Maori and the rest of us continue to bicker instead of uniting. We’re doomed.
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July 14, 2010 10:29am
Manolo

Good analysis of the rumblings within the Democratic Party: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1amtDX_u8Ia3Tjtumwf4PkAOGiwD9GUBV4G0
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July 14, 2010 10:36am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

What the hell is up with the UK Government?

They won’t do shit to remove know Terrorists from the Country up have no problems with banning hot Russian Chicks like Anna Chapman.

Priorites sorted much?
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July 14, 2010 10:44am
david

Ouch
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sergeant-meant-no-offence-by-pierced-penis-party-trick-20100713-109iz.html
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July 14, 2010 10:50am
Colonel Masters

@Viking2

Funding of anti-smoking initiatives has been cut by the Government by $12 million, with the agency that runs the successful Smoking – Not Our Future campaign bearing the brunt.

I looked through that article to find exactly how this agency was “successful” but couldn’t find any specifics. I wish journalists would back up these blanket comments with some detail.
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July 14, 2010 10:51am
Johnboy

Interesting statistic. I always thought some of you were a bit queer. 🙂

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/technology/7580650/gays-more-frequent-blog-readers-social-network-users/
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July 14, 2010 10:52am
Redbaiter

The left, who so often compared Bush to Hitler, have the damn gall to complain about this picture

At least with Barack and his strategy of appealing to the naive and ignorant, there is a real similarity.
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July 14, 2010 11:00am
Pete George

Even if the left did “so often compared Bush to Hitler” why should it justify this sort of billboard. Aren’t the right supposed to be above this sort of thing?

LIVE FREE OR DIE! is a curious slogan. I wonder if it is a party choice or a threat.
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July 14, 2010 11:16am
Johnboy

Is there a special name for when you have a pair of Buffoons?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3917045/Harawira-Bethune-is-a-hero

A “brace” of Buffoons perhaps.
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July 14, 2010 11:18am
Murray

OECD did you know that the Russians have gone back to bouncing around the edge of UK air space with bombers again?

They want to play cold war V2.0 which is odd considering the outcome of V1.0, but they remain a clear and present andger with a far greater capacity for destruction than terrorists who are a greater danger to themselves than western civilisation.

The spies are part of bigger picture.
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July 14, 2010 11:27am
Redbaiter

“LIVE FREE OR DIE! is a curious slogan.”

Just when I think I’ve seen the bottom of your political ignorance, you demonstrate that we’ve still got legions of depth to go.

“Aren’t the right supposed to be above this sort of thing? ”

You need to know that’s a trick that is long past its use by date. The truth will no longer be suppressed the way it has been (PC) for too long.
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July 14, 2010 11:36am
Redbaiter

Damn- “LEAGUES of depth to go”
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July 14, 2010 11:42am
Murray

Its not a courious slogan if you have actual principles.
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July 14, 2010 11:56am
Banana Llama

Nato threatens to put missiles within 100 miles of St Petersburg and everyone acts shocked over the response.

Unrelated somewhat but has anyone read the original wizard of oz book?
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July 14, 2010 12:00pm
mattyroo

Interesting article I saw today – it’s a few weeks old now, but gives a good insight to the ongoing duplicitous machinations of the horrible Klark:

The Antipodean union jihad against the Jewish state
ALAN GOLDWEDNESDAY, 9TH JUNE 2010
By unfairly attacking Israel, former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark could be positioning herself for the UN’s top job, says Alan Gold

Helen Clark is known to harbour feelings of antipathy towards Israel. And now she is number three in the United Nations hierarchy, her aversion to the Jewish nation could pave her way into the UN’s top job. Sources within the UN say that Clark is quietly positioning herself to become the next Secretary-General when Ban Ki Moon retires, and there are few better ways for the former New Zealand prime minister to demonstrate her suitability for the job than to make known her anti- Israel credentials.

Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland, also tried to use the UN’s traditional animus towards Israel to succeed Kofi Annan by aligning herself closely with the 57-member Islamic bloc. Now Clark, appointed more than a year ago as the head of the UN’s Development Programme, is thought to be using her growing influence in the world body to ensure that Geoffrey Palmer, prime minister of New Zealand from 1989 to 1990, heads the Commission of Enquiry into Israel’s raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla.

Palmer’s qualifications to lead an international enquiry are that he’s an academic lawyer with expertise in whaling. His understanding of the immense complexity of the unending Israel-Palestine conflict has yet to be revealed. While there have been no comments within the upper echelons of the UN regarding any bias which Palmer might nurse towards one side or the other, especially as he’s known to be fair-minded, one has to question why his appointment was so strongly propelled by Clark behind closed doors.

Her disposition against Israel is well recorded. In August 2006 she said openly that she found it ‘hard to believe’ that the accidental bombing of a UN observation post in Lebanon by Israel was anything other than deliberate targeting, despite ignoring impartial evidence that Hezbollah was using the observers as shields in their assault against the Israeli Army. Her diplomatic blunder came only two years after her suspension of all diplomatic contacts with Israel when hapless Mossad agents were caught red- handed trying to forge a new identity using New Zealand passports.

The appointment of Palmer to head the UN’s Gaza enquiry would not guarantee Clark an anti-Israeli outcome, but senior UN officials can’t explain her championship of his candidacy in terms other than ‘it’ll certainly help her in the eyes of the General Assembly’. And without any expert knowledge, his conclusions will be greatly influenced by those who are picked to assist him. Judging by the bias of the UN’s Goldstone Commission members into the 2009 war against the Hamas government in Gaza, Israelis will be viewing this new enquiry with groaning scepticism.

But high-level UN enquiries aren’t the only problems afflicting Israel when it comes to this part of the world. There’s also the growing move for a boycott of Israeli trade by militant sections of the Australian and New Zealand trade union movement, especially the Australian Services Union, the CFMEU, the Australian Maritime Union, and the NZ Council of Trade Unions. This should come as no surprise to Clark and Palmer, because in their early days in New Zealand politics both were known to have had a strong attachment to such radical left-wing socialist politics.

Lenin is believed to have first coined the term ‘useful idiots’, referring to people in Western nations who were both naïve and unquestioning in their political support of the Bolshevik revolution. The term has been used to describe those members of the leadership of Australian and New Zealand trade unions in their declared action to speed up the boycott of Israel. Because of Israel’s origin as a country built on socialist principles, a democratic nation with an interventionist Supreme Court and an unfettered media, the worldwide union movement rarely found itself complaining against Israel in the early years of that nation’s growth. And while these institutions are still strong in Israel, all that changed with the 1967 Six Day War and the creation of the propaganda wing of Yasser Arafat’s PLO.

Calls for global trade isolation of Israel have been growing stronger and louder, especially since 2005, when the international union movement attempted to send a message to the leadership of Israel regarding its treatment of Gazans and Palestinians on the West Bank. The intention of extremist groups within the international trade union movement has been to isolate the Jewish state, to undermine the confidence its people have in its government, and to make Israelis feel like global pariahs. The trade union’s international BDS campaign (boycott, divestment and sanctions) is all part of a movement to delegitimise Israel, ostensibly in defence of the Palestinian people. The arguments used by the union movement are well-known, well-travelled and predictable. What’s less easy to explain is the union movement’s corresponding reluctance to use such action against other nations identified as major abusers of their citizens’ rights.

If the union movement believes that it has a strong enough case against Israel’s treatment of Gazans to block its international trade, then why doesn’t it believe it should take reciprocal action against Egypt, which also has a land and sea blockade in force, and has built a massive steel wall along its border with Gaza? Or why doesn’t the local union movement take punitive action against Iran, which is guilty of atrocious human rights violations against those who oppose its government, a government which stole the democratic election from its own people a year ago?

And what about a boycott of goods from Turkey, which has been committing human rights violations against its Kurdish minority for decades, even refusing to admit that it was responsible for the deaths of one and a half million Armenians in 1915, the first genocide of the modern era? How much union militancy have we seen against China’s most recent repressive treatment of the Muslim Uyghur people, where nearly 200 people were slaughtered in their regional capital of Urumqi?

While the union movement is using its muscle against Israel, why has it done so little about the Sudanese government’s massacre of the citizens of Darfur, where nearly three million human beings have been displaced and upwards of 400,000 are estimated to have been killed?

There have been innumerable occasions when governments have abused the human rights of their citizens, but where the union movement of Australia and New Zealand has been noticeably silent. One has to wonder why the Israeli government seem to be the bête noire of the militant left-wing unionists. Perhaps because easy targets do have their attractions.

And there are few targets easier to attack than Israel. Yet it is the only country in the Middle East where women, gays, unionists, those who oppose the government, militant journalists and communists, far from being persecuted, are protected by a fortress of civil rights legislation. Perhaps it’s time that militant unionists, as well as Clark and Palmer, opened their eyes to what’s really going on in the wider world, rather than through such a narrow focus.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/6070483/the-antipodean-union-jihad-against-the-jewish-state.thtml
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July 14, 2010 12:06pm
Kris K

Jibbering Gibbon 8:26 am,

“I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats though.”
Elton John.

He won’t get on with the muzzies.

Indeed, JG.

And germane to this are the latest revelations about the online viewing statistics coming out of Islamic Pakistan:

Manolo [Today’s “Poloanski Freed” thread] 8:00 am,

By the way, another record for the Pakistani followers of the “religion of peace”: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/

From Manolo’s link:

No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it Pornistan

By Kelli Morgan
Published July 13, 2010 | FoxNews.com

They may call it the “Land of the Pure,” but Pakistan turns out to be anything but.

The Muslim country, which has banned content on at least 17 websites to block offensive and blasphemous material, is the world’s leader in online searches for pornographic material, FoxNews.com has learned.

[…]

Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.

Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for “horse sex” since 2004, “donkey sex” since 2007, “rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009, “rape sex” since 2004, “child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, “animal sex” since 2004 and “dog sex” since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.

The country also is tops — or has been No. 1 — in searches for “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other searches that can’t be printed here.

[…]

Now we ain’t talking about your average garden variety pornography, oh no, we’re talking about really borderline stuff.
And as the article highlights: “They may call it [Pakistan] the “Land of the Pure” “, and just as this is clearly NOT the case, we once again have highlighted to us the hypocrisy of Islam.

But why are we surprised when Islam continues to ‘claim’ to be the “Religion of Peace”, not to mention its ‘claim’ to be the “Religion of Purity”? – both claims in direct contradiction to what the facts on the ground continue to reveal. And just as Polanski had a penchant for 13 year olds [at least she was possibly menstruating], we know that Islam’s founder and prophet, Mohammed, liked them around 9 years old – not even old enough to ‘bleed’ [apologies, but that’s the bottom line]. I guess the ‘good’ Muslims of Pakistan are just faithfully following the example of their sexually perverted, murderous, lying, cheating founder and prophet [so maybe on that basis they’re not hypocrites at all?].

Perhaps a better definition would be – Islam: Religion of Hypocrisy
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July 14, 2010 12:10pm
Manolo

Clark as the next UN Secretary General? More than a possibility, methinks.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that our current coward government will support her nomination, lauding her character and statesmanship.

Vomit-inducing.
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July 14, 2010 12:13pm
Put it away

How’s porn defined in Pakistan anyway ? Coooooorrrrrrrr look at the eyes on her !
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July 14, 2010 12:14pm
Pete George

LIVE FREE OR DIE! has the state slogan of New Hampshire since 1945. It was illegal to not display the motto on vehicle license plates from 1971 but some Jehovahs Witnesses made a stand against having to (they objected to “To die” because they believed in everlasting life) and were supported by a court decision.

The phrase comes from a toast written by General John Stark on July 31, 1809.

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

A possible earlier source is Patrick Henry’s March 23, 1775 speech to the the legislative body of the Virginia colony, which contained:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

In Catalan “Viurem lliures o morirem” is used as a symbol of Catalan independentism.

I still find it curious. If I was not free my main thoughts would be towards becoming free, not killing myself.
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July 14, 2010 12:14pm
Pete George

Perhaps a better definition would be – Islam: Religion of Hypocrisy

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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July 14, 2010 12:18pm
Kris K

Redbaiter 11:42 am,

Damn- “LEAGUES of depth to go”

Perhaps that was a Freudian slip, Red, and you were right first time? – “… legions of depth to go”.

Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

I often wonder if those on the Left are possessed …
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July 14, 2010 12:22pm
Kris K

Put it away 12:14 pm,

How’s porn defined in Pakistan anyway ? Coooooorrrrrrrr look at the eyes on her !

Don’t tell me that Islam NOW requires goats, horses, camels, donkeys, et all to wear Burkas? 😉

And I think you need to amend the above to: “Coooooorrrrrrrr look at the ass *ahem* on him/her/it !”
Remember, Islam practices equal opportunity sexual conquest.
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July 14, 2010 12:30pm
Kris K

Pete George 12:18 pm,

Perhaps a better definition would be – Islam: Religion of Hypocrisy

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

So are you actually promoting the idea that Islam is without hypocrisy, Petey?

[Won’t be holding my breath for an answer – I am dealing with Mr – Splinters in my Arse – Fence-sitter himself, afterall]
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July 14, 2010 12:35pm
Manolo

The less and less credible Kenyan Messiah http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/434315b2-8ea6-11df-8a67-00144feab49a.html
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July 14, 2010 12:36pm
Kris K

Pete George 12:14 pm,

I still find it curious. If I was not free my main thoughts would be towards becoming free, not killing myself.

Once again Mr George’s lack of comprehension come to the fore.
If you gleened the promotion of suicide from those quotes, then I’m flabbergasted.
[Nothing new where our friend Pete is concerned, though].
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July 14, 2010 12:42pm
Pete George

So are you actually promoting the idea that Islam is without hypocrisy, Petey?

No Kristy, your words, not mine. I didn’t promote that idea at all, you are trying to twist what I said to fit your prejudices.

I think there is hypocrisy in religions generally – actually, it’s people that follow religions that are often hypocritical. So to be clear – I think some Muslims and some Christians (but not excluding other religious people) are hypocritical when it comes to religious matters and morals.

And to try and prevent this topic deteriorating into futile chaos I’m not going to comment on this again.
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July 14, 2010 12:51pm
Pete George

If you gleened the promotion of suicide from those quotes, then I’m flabbergasted.

Ok, for the pedantic – allowing oneself to be killed through one’s action or inaction as an alternative to being captured. Like Japanese soldiers, or suicide by cop. Whoops, I mean “giving the cops no alternative but to kill me”
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July 14, 2010 12:59pm
Redbaiter

“Once again Mr George’s lack of comprehension come to the fore.”

Accounts for at least 4000 of his almost 6000 posts.
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July 14, 2010 1:06pm
Put it away

Johnboy “Is there a special name for when you have a pair of Buffoons? A “brace” of Buffoons perhaps.

The Greens call it a Co-Leadership
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July 14, 2010 1:13pm
Pete George

Ok RB, I bow to your greater skills, can you please explain how you comprehend:

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.
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July 14, 2010 1:13pm
Kris K

Pete George 12:59 pm,

For the pedantic – allowing oneself to be killed through one’s action or inaction as an alternative to being captured.

So I guess you would INCLUDE those who fought for our freedoms and way of life during the first and second World Wars as being individuals who were guilty of ‘killing themselves’?

If you actually thought about it you would realise that the quotes …

“Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.”

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

… are actually talking about the concept of fighting for the cause of freedom; of standing against oppressive regimes and ideologies [such as Islam, Fascism, et al]. And, if necessary, dying for that freedom, rather than becoming slaves to that which would oppress you and remove your freedoms.

Once again, I’m flabbergasted that I have to spell this out …
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July 14, 2010 1:15pm
Put it away

Murray – “Who the hell does [ get on with the muzzies ]”

That teacher sending dirty txts to the eight-year-old ? He’s got a common interest with the Prophet.
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July 14, 2010 1:18pm
Murray

So noted.
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July 14, 2010 1:21pm
Pete George

So I guess you would INCLUDE those who fought for our freedoms and way of life during the first and second World Wars as being individuals who were guilty of ‘killing themselves’?

You’re not good at guessing. That’s quite different. Are you suggesting that all those who were captured (had their freedom taken from them, some of whom worked under slavery) committed greater sins than those who died? Should they have allowed themselves to be killed instead?

Most of them lived to enjoy freedom again without oppression.
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July 14, 2010 1:24pm
Redbaiter

What it means PG is that some people would prefer to fight and die for freedom than to surrender and live under slavery. No charge to me for explaining this to you, but please, in order to illustrate your gratitude, you could agree to make a donation here-

http://americansnipers.org/
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July 14, 2010 1:24pm
Johnboy

Government is considering appealing Waihopai vandalism case!

Hooray!
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July 14, 2010 1:37pm
Manolo

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10658685

Yes, the same government which wants to ban air rifles because some were used in a shooting, and increase alcohol regulations because some idiots get drunk and violent, and increase tobacco and alcohol excise duties because they are bad for your health, and so on and so forth. An endless list of prohibitions and controls.

These bastards would love to regulate every minute of our lives. National or Labour are socialist twin-brothers.
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July 14, 2010 1:46pm
Johnboy

Sorry that should have been repealing the defense of “claim of right”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10658741
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July 14, 2010 1:53pm
Rex Widerstrom

Way back up there ^^^ at 8.22am (forgive the delay due to the time difference) hj says:

Has anyone noticed how people guilty of criminal behaviour echo civil libertarians (excuses/views) and the prison reform people.

Yes, I have… just today in fact:

A GROUP of British criminals came to the aid of a woman after she was mugged in the street close to where they were doing community service.

The 25-year-old woman had no idea the Good Samaritans in orange jackets were doing unpaid work for crimes that included violence, The Sun reported today.

After hearing her cry for help, the six men – all taking part in a scheme called Community Payback, which encourages offenders to make amends for their crimes instead of going to jail – chased the mugger and cornered him.

They grabbed back the woman’s handbag and mobile phone and then called the police as they detained the thief close to the crime scene in Walthamstow, East London….

One of the offenders, Sam Fage, 21 – doing 150 hours for aggravated assault – said: “It was very good to give something back.”

It’s called rehabilitation, and restorative justice. And sometimes, it works.
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July 14, 2010 4:11pm
eszett

Perhaps a better definition would be – Islam: Religion of Hypocrisy

Hilarious! One radical idiot calling other radical idiots hypocrites
Pot calling the kettle black
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July 14, 2010 4:38pm
Viking2

DPF posted.

Police shootings
July 14th, 2010 at 6:46 am by David Farrar

I think there is a case that all police cars should have fire arms in their boots, so officers can use them in self defence at least. That would require much more intensive fire arms training for police officers though. It looks like this may occur.

Well seems they were there in the car long with a third officer. Looks like their tatics were ary.

Taser fails police during Christchurch shooting

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3915882/Taser-fails-police-during-Christchurch-shooting
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July 14, 2010 6:31pm
Viking2

My God, Nick Smith has excelled himself for once. Must be a scam.

Business ACC levies to vary
By MARTIN KAY
Last updated 14:51 14/07/2010

Businesses that have fewer workplace accidents will pay cheaper ACC levies and those with higher accidents will pay more under plans unveiled this afternoon.

ACC Minister Nick Smith said ‘experience rating’ on levies would be introduced for businesses from April 1.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/3918117/Business-ACC-levies-to-vary

BUT the doom and disaster merchants couldn’t rush to the altar of hypocrite quickly enough.

CTU: ACC changes may encourage cover-ups
By Adam Bennett
5:31 PM Wednesday Jul 14, 2010

Discounts on ACC levies for businesses with good safety records will encourage some employers to cover up workplace accidents, opponents say.

And then we get the rub from Smith.

The Government announced today that businesses paying more than $10,000 a year in ACC workplace levies would be eligible for a discount,

For smaller businesses there would be a simple system of no-claims bonuses and high-claim penalties.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10658780
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July 14, 2010 6:39pm
Viking2

Ok so is Smith going to tax the cyclists for their ACC? Oh and the beneficiaries too?
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July 14, 2010 6:41pm
big bruv

“It’s called rehabilitation, and restorative justice. And sometimes, it works.”

Yeah, sometimes, and for all the times that it fails….opps, sorry about that old lady, the young man who beat you about the head while stealing your handbag was not somebody we thought would offend again.

Restorative justice is a crock of shit, the first and only real consideration when it comes to sentencing low life should be “will our society be safer” if the answer is yes then lock the bastards away for as long as you possibly can.
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July 14, 2010 6:43pm
Viking2

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/trade/news/article.cfm?c_id=96&objectid=10658575
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July 14, 2010 6:44pm
andrei

Well Viking the cartoonist has no courage its Maori that kids learn in school and thats the language the cartoonist should have lampooned not French.
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July 14, 2010 6:50pm
Viking2

Well BB you can pay 75% of my share of the costs. The rest I reckon will be fair cop.
Busy people are happy people and who makes the rules that govern NZ that either encourage or discourage Kiwi’s towards gainful activity, not all of which is work but which makes people happy and therefore less likely to be involved in crime.

Parliament perhaps.

Always used to shake my head at various Ministers of Labour who continually fought with unions and those that bend to them, even now, the worst example being Bolger.
He would rant on about the unions,especially in the freezing works and kick and snarl like a pansy about them. But woo a minute who made the rules, well of course none other than the ministers themselves. So who created the problem then. Not the unions because they didn’t make the rules they just used to use them along with their muscle.

The person who made the biggest difference was Stan Roger, former chief of the PSA. He changed the rules. Of course Birch went further but he went to far and left no protection for the weak. Hence the shift back to today.

Apply the same thinking to these other issues and really we can see who creates the problem.
Finance company rules,
tax rules,
rules for this and that and rules to fix the rules that were fucked bay some other rule.
Get the picture.
Socialists one and all.
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July 14, 2010 6:55pm
Viking2

andrei; probably right but plenty of schools still teach Latin and French though God and the teachers are the only ones that know why.
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July 14, 2010 6:57pm
big bruv

V2

What the hell are you on about?
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July 14, 2010 7:02pm
Manolo

“plenty of schools still teach Latin and French though God and the teachers are the only ones that know why.”

Really? Wouldn’t have any thing to do with a better education and understanding of the world out there, maybe? WTF?
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July 14, 2010 7:06pm
Viking2

BB.
lock the bastards away for as long as you possibly can.

All of us or just some that you chose?
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July 14, 2010 7:20pm
Lucia Maria

Viking,

Very few in our area teach Latin (haven’t found any yet, and I’ve looked at the subject list for 3 colleges). But they do teach French, as you’ve mentioned (it’s the language of international diplomacy) and Japanese.

The advantages of Latin are intense grammar training, a deeper understanding of the English language (a huge amount comes from Latin) and training of the mind.
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July 14, 2010 7:39pm
Redbaiter

Lucia-

New post up at Crusader Rabbit you might be able to help with.

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/
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July 14, 2010 7:57pm
big bruv

Some assistance please.

It is new TV time for the Bruv household, I want a huge TV, given that most of the time I spend sitting in front of the telly is spent watching sport I was hoping if one of you could tell me what is the best option, should I go for LCD, LED LCD or Plasma?
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July 14, 2010 7:58pm
Viking2

Go to work and stop being idle and disorderly.
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July 14, 2010 8:02pm
nickb

Bruv, I have generally heard that when going over about 40 inches, go for plasma over LCD. Mates that work at JB, Dick Smith etc have all told me the same thing.

I got a 42 inch plasma from JB hifi for about $900 a year ago, it was a budget sounding kind of brand I have never heard of (Soniq) but it is bloody awesome, the rugby on sky is great. Definitely give JB a look.
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July 14, 2010 8:07pm
Pete George

Some interesting posts on Crusader Rabbit, really. It’s great to see ideas and thought. But according to RB’s label, and this “welcome” message at CR….

Leftards, socialists- call them what you will- are not welcome here. Go find a sewage pond to pollute.

…suggests that most people shouldn’t go near CR, it is more obsessed with division than it is with a better way forward for everyone. If you think you can convince everyone of one way of thinking, one ideology, then I think you will remain hopping in small circles.
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July 14, 2010 8:31pm
dad4justice

Oh shut up petey gal you twisted lemon!
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July 14, 2010 8:33pm
Viking2

D4J; people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
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July 15, 2010 6:56am
Viking2

Good reporting from the Herald. Precise and accurate – not.

Netball: Ferns lose to Aussies
5:25 AM Thursday Jul 15, 2010

The New Zealand under-17 women’s soccer team continued their three-match tour of Australia with a 2-1 loss to the New South Wales Institute of Sport in Sydney.
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July 15, 2010 6:57am
Viking2

While we put up with day to day struggling in business wondering where our next sale is coming from our tiny friends that we rescued from the swamps and malaria not so many years ago are running ever faster. No wonder our companies are gong there.

Singapore in line for 15 per cent growth after record surge
4:00 AM Thursday Jul 15, 2010

SINGAPORE – Singapore expects its economy to soar 15 per cent this year after surging manufacturing fuelled a record expansion in the second quarter.

Gross domestic product grew 19.3 per cent in the second quarter from a year earlier and jumped an annualised seasonally-adjusted 26 per cent, the Trade and Industry Ministry said yesterday.

SINGAPORE – Singapore expects its economy to soar 15 per cent this year after surging manufacturing fuelled a record expansion in the second quarter.

Gross domestic product grew 19.3 per cent in the second quarter from a year earlier and jumped an annualised seasonally-adjusted 26 per cent, the Trade and Industry Ministry said yesterday.

The city-state’s economy will likely expand between 13 per cent and 15 per cent this year, more than the Government’s previous forecast of between 7 and 9 per cent, the ministry said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10658802
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July 15, 2010 7:03am
Pete George

Singapore, the semi-socialist single party state doing well, still.
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July 15, 2010 7:09am
Viking2

Tut,Tut. Don’t forget its also Muslim and that’s not a desired trait and socialism has failed NZ badly this last 15 yearsas well.

But doing well yep.
Doesn’t spend its money supporting loonnies and the left. Doesn’t want to be president of the United nations, doesn’t want to
fight others wars, eg Balkanz, Aphganistan, Iraq etc. Doesn’t suck America’s tit., has good financial controls.
Has a similar population and a similar landsize.

Food for policy thought one would think.
But then the young Nats. will set it all right this weekend along with the tired ones.
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