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July 11, 2010 7:01am by David Farrar

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Yvette

“When I do what Tian wants,
Tian does what I want.”
– Mo Tzu
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July 11, 2010 7:07am
Inventory2

Could the day begin any better after the Men in Black beat up the South African bullies last night? I doubt it …
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July 11, 2010 7:08am
Pete George

That was one of the best All Black efforts I’ve seen, great game from them. The biggest surprise was the scrum and especially the lineout performance – kudos to Tom Donnelly especially but all the forwards for doing the hard yards, and the backs for the flourishes.

The Springboks performance was summed up by Bakkies Botha headbutting Cowan from behind.
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July 11, 2010 7:17am
Inventory2

And whar has Simon Prast been smoking? He wants to decriminalise P …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/putting-p-in-supercity.html
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July 11, 2010 7:41am
Pete George

Paper warned over harassing Bain juror

A newspaper has been told by the Ministry of Justice it does not have the right to “harass or intimidate” a juror in the retrial of David Bain.

But The Press newspaper denies there was harassment or intimidation, saying it approached the juror only on matters of significant public interest.

Some from the press (and tv) seem to confuse “public interest” with their interest in getting a sensational story, without any thought for the impact on the people they pursue and harass.
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July 11, 2010 8:58am
Redbaiter

“We’ll see Glenn Beck on the National Monument. The New Black Panther Party will see him there since he’s attacking us nightly, and he won’t talk to us. We’ll see him on the National Monument, on the National Mall.

“We’ll deal with all of these Right-Wingers. Smith, Wolf, Adams, the Tea Party, Michael Steele. Any and all of them.

“The New Black Panther Party is ready for you. We’re out here in America, and throughout the world. We’re ready to roll.”

——————–

Sounds like NZ’s left wing racists have some good friends in the US.
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July 11, 2010 9:01am
Angus

Feel the New Black Panther love..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI
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July 11, 2010 9:15am
Redbaiter

Further to the above on the Black Panthers, interesting to observe the difference in approaches in two different interviews. One simpers in racist supplication to the rantings of this racist coward. The other confronts him on his bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zDv5qNU5Wc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CxU1Li7gvk&feature=player_embedded#!

Why FOX News is eclipsing the opposition.
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July 11, 2010 9:21am
kaya

Great interview with Dave Mahon on Q+A talking about China and the Chinese. Spoke the most sense of anyone I have listened to on the subject in a long time.
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July 11, 2010 9:53am
Viking2

Do we have a problem?

Gang boss takes on the navy
Sunday Star Times
st updated 05:00 11/07/2010

A senior Mongrel Mob member has been allowed access to the Devonport Naval Base to make inquiries into his son’s alleged assault on another sailor.

Mongrel Mob Porirua Rogue chapter member Dennis Makalio is the father of 19-year-old Royal New Zealand Navy rating Monty Makalio, who has been charged with wounding with reckless disregard after an Anzac Day incident.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3906807/Gang-boss-takes-on-the-navy
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July 11, 2010 9:59am
kaya

And talking about China, here is a succinct piece from Joel Bowman.

“While the “Developed” world spent the better part of the last few decades buying knick-knacks they didn’t need with money they didn’t have, China Inc. got busy both producing those same products, and lending the world’s consumers the money with which to buy them. The result is one of the largest trade imbalances in modern economic history. At a staggering $2.4 trillion, the Middle Kingdom’s foreign reserve stockpile is by far the largest in the world. And, although a not-insignificant $900 billion of those reserves are held in steadily depreciating greenbacks (not to mention a large euro holding), the Chinese are wasting no time converting those paper cash piles into tangible asset stakes.”

That is the ultimate “plan so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel”.
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July 11, 2010 10:08am
tom hunter

Thought you might all get a chuckle out of this Rameriz cartoon, …so why the low self-esteem?
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July 11, 2010 10:14am
kaya

Of FFS when are we going to stop this bullshit?

“Murderer sues for compo”

Not only that, he has been give $20 thousand in legal aid to do it. I’m sure there have been previous cases of retrospective legislation? This is a prime example of when it is appropriate.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10658019
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July 11, 2010 10:14am
Pete George

Is there some hope up north?

One of Auckland’s most combative top businessmen is preparing to enter the Supercity mayoral race.

Tenby Powell, who is married to the similarly successful and well-known entrepreneur Sharon Hunter, says he is ready to launch his mayoral election campaign if John Banks continues to trail in the polls.
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July 11, 2010 10:16am
hj

Just reading about “cloud computing”. Apparently for every dollar a company spends on a microsoft product they spend 8 on IT people (tinkering). With the fibre optic networks however companies can use someone elses computer to do it for them (as in when we do a google docs spreadsheet) – up in the clouds. This is bad news for microsoft but companies like google are in a good position. You too can invest and make a lot of money- unless you’re a plonker like me.
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July 11, 2010 10:21am
tom hunter

I think its been obvious for some time now that the Obama administration is incompetent almost across the board. But you have to read this article in Reason to understand exactly how incompetent they’ve been in the case of the Gulf Oil Spill – not to mention ignorant of how business and technology work in reality.

Read it and weep: A Government Catastrophe.
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July 11, 2010 10:22am
Viking2

Tom. That’s all old news and has been posted here sometime ago. Try and keep up.
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July 11, 2010 10:30am
JiveKitty

@Viking2: “Do we have a problem?”

Whatever do you mean? Just two more people of value to society, real heroes, going about their day, right?
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July 11, 2010 10:32am
Pete George

From tom’s link:
“Wanting—or creating—scarcity has always been a part of the leftist agenda, on the theory that scarcities create the need for government allocation and control. One of the greatest threats of the current situation is that environmental extremists will use it as a justification to further their misguided agenda.”

Incompetence? A deliberate or opportunist part of the leftist conspiracy? Or the The American Conservative digging for oil?

The left are that devious they probably blew up the well, having planted explosives the same way they had been pre-planted in the twin towers.
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July 11, 2010 10:35am
Viking2

Meanwhile, an ad for Frank Allen Tyres with a woman’s voice saying “I’ve no idea what tyres are” has also sparked a complaint for degrading women.

By Heather McCracken
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10657981
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July 11, 2010 10:41am
tom hunter

Incompetence? A deliberate or opportunist part of the leftist conspiracy? Or the The American Conservative digging for oil?

My pick would be incompetence – but I also don’t ignore the Obama-Rahm philosophy of never let a crisis go to waste – which I first observed with Roger Douglas! I don’t recall too many leftwingers objecting to the semi-conspiratorial angle they took on that whole saga.

That’s all old news and has been posted here sometime ago.

I’ve certainly read bits of the same information before in different articles – such as the oil skimmer screw up – but there will always be new information coming out and that article was written on July 9.
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July 11, 2010 10:43am
tom hunter

Since we had Nandor on here yesterday making some crack about how – even if environmentalists may have vilified nuclear and GM scientists, they did not make death threats as has recently happened to climate scientists – I thought the following item of interest: Oil Executive’s Wife injured in bomb blast

When people have been excoriated as Climate Criminals this should be no surprise.
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July 11, 2010 10:49am
Viking2

Andy Haden—One of the Few Honest and Courageous Men in NZ Public Life

Andy Haden’s resignation as Ambassador for the Government’s Rugby World Cup programme marks him out yet again as one of the very, very small number of people in New Zealand public life with integrity and courage, says SOLO Principal Lindsay Perigo.

“Twice now the mob from the Media Mediocrity Mafia have bayed for his blood after he made politically incorrect, but true, statements on Murray Deaker’s excellent Sky TV programme. On the first occasion World Cup Minister Murray McCully, occupant of a position that wouldn’t exist were National true to its free enterprise/small government principles, rebuked Mr. Hayden. This time he was out to sack him for daring to point out that there are opportunistic female groupies who prey on rugby players. To his credit, Mr. Haden, who was not being paid for his work as Ambassador, got in first. In an e-mail to McCully today, he said:

Dear Murray,

I wish to advise that I have decided to resign my role as an honorary Ambassador of the Government’s 2011 Rugby World Cup programme.

I do so to ensure that neither your leveraging initiatives or the game of Rugby that I love are compromised by the current media backlash to the comments I have made on television recently.

I feel that to stay in the role, given the current media beat-up, would mean having to remove myself from making public comments on the game or related issues. I have always believed in saying what I think and I will always be true to myself in that regard and it’s a sad day for society when people such as I are unable to express what we believe without a media beat-up from those with sectional interests.

“Mr. Haden is a hero. Lesser men—most men in New Zealand—would have gone on television, wept, apologised, begged forgiveness from all the people he supposedly had let down—and pleaded to be given another chance. Mr. Haden instead removed himself with great dignity from a situation where he would continue to be harassed by quacking dimwits masquerading as television reporters for the sin of speaking his mind, and reprimanded by moral pygmies like Murray McCully for the same reason.

“It is to be hoped Sky TV will not now lose its nerve as it did over the Murray Mexted affair, and will keep Andy Haden on as a fearless and robust commentator in a nation sadly lacking in fearless commentary in all fields,” Perigo concludes.
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July 11, 2010 10:54am
Viking2

Isn’t McCully Keys most trusted adviser?

No wonder we’re fucked.
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July 11, 2010 10:55am
starboard

The inmate who murdered a teenager in the back of a prison van has been paid $20,000 in legal aid to sue the Government for abuse he claims to have suffered as a child.

George Charlie Baker, who is serving a minimum 18-year jail term for the 2006 killing of Liam Ashley, has now been approached by the Ministry of Social Development to negotiate a settlement

WTF ??!! WTF??!! WTF??!! This country makes me cringe. This country makes me sick. ..but wait..Pete George will say its ok
watch this space….
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July 11, 2010 10:55am
Pete George

..but wait..Pete George will say its ok

How would you know what I think about it? Do you imagine you are an octopus?
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July 11, 2010 11:00am
Manolo

“Rugby World Cup Minister Murray McCully said he had accepted the resignation “with sadness”.

Another sorry chapter in the history of the spineless National Party, which has nothing but contempt for the common New Zealander. In fact, they pander and surrender too easily to racists, wowsers, feminazis, and special interests.

Way to go Gutless McCully and Neville Key!
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July 11, 2010 11:06am
Redbaiter

“Perigo concludes.”

The drooling idiot Viking2 as usual relying on others to do his thinking and speaking for him.
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July 11, 2010 11:10am
backster

Starboard…………I agree with you it is sickening…..so is having a Mongrel Mob Member poncing around Devonport Naval Base looking for witnesses to intimidate…Both these areas should have strong leadership supported by the type of discipline that doesn’t allow such situations to arise.
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July 11, 2010 11:24am
MT_Tinman

An inmate who improved NZ by one is seeking damages over historical child abuse.

Seems fair to me.
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July 11, 2010 11:25am
starboard

Feel the New Black Panther love..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI

…what a toerag…one tyre, petrol , match should do the trick…end of racist drivel…
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July 11, 2010 11:43am
MikeNZ

Good on Andy Haden, what a decent bloke.

Go The National Party all the way to an election defeat.
Vote your PARTY vote to ACT next time.
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July 11, 2010 12:49pm
krazykiwi

@tom hunter 10:14 – brilliant!
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July 11, 2010 1:14pm
Inventory2

Bakkies Botha gets a decent ban …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/bye-bye-bakkies.html
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July 11, 2010 1:30pm
Manolo

Is Obama incompetent or is he a mole dertermined to collapse the system? Given the Messiah’s actions to almost bankrupt the United States, the latter is not an outlandish possibility, after all.
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July 11, 2010 1:32pm
Redbaiter

“Is Obama incompetent or is he a mole dertermined to collapse the system? ”

Both?

If he succeeds in collapsing the system, he won’t find it as easy to institute his Soviet nirvana in place of the Republic as he thinks. There are a lot of heavily armed Americans, and they are *really* pissed off with the left.

What did Alinksy’s revolutionary plan call for? The killing of 25 million? Yeah well, good luck with that you objective you cowardly commie filth. I reckon I know on what side of the political fence all the dead will lie.
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July 11, 2010 1:35pm
WebWrat

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/pakistan-muslim-mob-kills-wife-and-4-children-of-christian-man/
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July 11, 2010 1:56pm
Pete George

Sounds like a reasonable ban for Botha, he deserves all of that. It may not weaken the Boks though – at least it removes a liability.
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July 11, 2010 2:02pm
Inventory2

It’ll be a two-edge sword Pete – sure, the threat of further brain explosions is removed (although there are others, like Schalk Burger who are quite capable of that), but the much-vaunted Springbok lineout is weakened and the scrum loses power with the combination between Botha and Matfield broken up.
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July 11, 2010 2:19pm
Viking2

So redbaiter, I’ve been out in the world today Have you, or are you continuing to consult your computer cache to blather on about Palin, Fox and Obama.
Have you decided yet if you actually work and earn an income or are you as it seems by your failure to answer yesterdays question just another beneficiary? One with a bad attitude to others as it stands.
Everything so far points in that direction.

The question for those interested was; is Rebaiter gainfully employed in earning an income or is he just another beneficiary. Yes or no.
But we wait and we wait and we wait and the abuse flows but we never did get the yes or no answer to the question. Just more vitriol.
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July 11, 2010 3:13pm
eszett

Redbaiter (10514) Says:
July 11th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

“Is Obama incompetent or is he a mole dertermined to collapse the system? ”

Both?

So, let’s try and get this straight.
He is both, an incompetent mole determined to collapse the system? doesn’t that mean that he is not doing a good job at his role as a mole and he is then not collapsing the system?

Does that make any sense to anyone but the paranoid and delusional?
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July 11, 2010 3:14pm
Rex Widerstrom

starboard notes:

The inmate who murdered a teenager in the back of a prison van has been paid $20,000 in legal aid to sue the Government for abuse he claims to have suffered as a child.

George Charlie Baker, who is serving a minimum 18-year jail term for the 2006 killing of Liam Ashley, has now been approached by the Ministry of Social Development to negotiate a settlement

I agree this is lunacy. Assume for a moment that Baker suffered unimagineable abuse while in government care years ago. What possible good can handing him a huge dollop of cash do now? Soon he won’t even be able to spend it on tobacco!

If the effect of a wrong has been to cause economic disadvantage then I can see some sense in trying to remedy it with cash – e.g. if the government seizes someone’s home to build a road. Otherwise it’s just the perpetrator trying to buy their way out of guilt.

If Baker was abused and can prove it, then the only appropriate response is to bring to justice those responsible. As any victim will tell you, if anything can ease pain it’s that.

This rush by the politically correct to say “Shhhh, there there, will a few hundred thousand make you feel any better?” just ducks the issue of consequences and justice.

But then more lunacy:

McVicar said he would like to see prisoners lose their right to make claims.

So even if, say, a group of prison guards beat a prisoner; or if the Department of Corrections fails to keep its buildings up to code and a prisoner is injured there’s never, ever a right to make a claim. Because they’re prisoners… and even if the victim is a non-violent offender who’s been no trouble in prison, well as his mate Garrett basically said, tough luck – our prisons should be some sort of reenactment of “Lord of the Flies”.

Such an idea just ignores the concepts of consequences and justice.

Lunatics to the left of us, lunatics to the right…
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July 11, 2010 3:21pm
Redbaiter

“So redbaiter,”

Fuck off you silly old crosswired moron. The day I dance to the tune of dribbling left wing dicky lickers like you is the day pigs pilot spaceships around Venus.
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July 11, 2010 3:38pm
reid

eszett, Obama sure as heck hasn’t achieved anything significant yet and he’s made a serious mistake with the Gulf issue. That is going to come back and will probably kill his presidency.

Point me to something good and significant that he’s achieved, if you disagree.
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July 11, 2010 3:57pm
Banana Llama

“What did Alinksy’s revolutionary plan call for? The killing of 25 million?”

They reckoned 5-10% of the population would not take too kindly to the re-education facility’s and would have to be liquidated, i think the word they called them was “die hard capitalists” interesting figure when you think about it, since the numbers required to overthrow a government need only to be equal or more than those who are willing to oppose them.

Take todays America or even the Anglo-sphere in general, i reckon it would be close to half.
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July 11, 2010 4:04pm
Manolo

Living proof that weeds and tyrants appears to last forever. The sooner the criminal Castro goes, the better for the world.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/10/fidel-castro-shown-rare-public-appearance-new-photos-posted-web-cuban/
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July 11, 2010 4:08pm
reid

Rex your 3:21 seems contradictory.

On the one hand you say prisoners should not be allowed to sue the state for physical abuse and on the other hand you say they should be allowed to.

It’s a matter of principle that has to be extrapolated to all prisoners isn’t it, but I can’t see the distinction you’re drawing. Can you please clarify?
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July 11, 2010 4:17pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo..

Those who worked to legalise prostitution sometimes held up Amsterdam as an example of how legalised prostitution could work in women’s favour. Libertarians probably agree with them.

To get the other side of the story, read this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,705104,00.html
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July 11, 2010 4:25pm
Chicken Little

So Red will you confirm if you are a beneficiary or not?

I have to say IMO if you will not confirm to the negative thats as good as saying you are which would not just make you a complete cock but a complete hypocritical cock which would be extremely funny.

So, Bene or not?
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July 11, 2010 4:27pm
Yvette

Reid, where is Rex contradictory? He’s saying the action being taken by George Charlie Baker, who is serving a minimum 18-year jail term for the 2006 killing of Liam Ashley, is lunacy.
But McVicar saying prisoners should lose all right to make any claims, is also lunacy, since there are possible situations of mistreatment or safe environment, where they should still have rights.
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July 11, 2010 4:31pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Red “FOX News Repeater” Baiter a bennie? Fuck, THAT’S awesome (Oresome?).

So, there hs sits, hoovering up tax payer dollars like a politician hoovers up perks, all the while rabbiting on about “let the markets rule”.

Oh Red, say it ain’t so. I can’t take this much laughter on a Sunday.
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July 11, 2010 4:32pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

11 July is the International Day against Stoning

Join the campaign and raise awareness by putting stones and messages of support in public places.

http://iransolidarity.blogspot.com/2010/07/on-11-july-place-stones-in-public.html

This is not about Left or Right – it is about Right and Wrong.
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July 11, 2010 4:39pm
Viking2

Well I guess you could say its entrepreneurial on his part Robert. I mean who else other than Philu (who was at least open about itand left wing), would think to do such a thing and claim right wing status.

No one that I can think off.

C’mon Red is the answer yes or no.
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July 11, 2010 5:03pm
Angus

Viking2 – One thing that you need to know about Reddy is that he won’t play Alinsky games. If you made the accusation he’s a beneficiary, can you prove it ? Or is it a gutless smear in the face of you having a lack of an argument ?
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July 11, 2010 5:09pm
Pete George

Angus, Reddy outdoes everyone else here combined with gutless smears because he lacks arguments.
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July 11, 2010 5:18pm
Viking2

HMM well Angus he was the person slinging the shit and failed to answer the straight forward question that followed. Apparently its one rule for everyone else and one for him. Personally I don’t give a stuff, its his reputation that’s at stake here
and I didn’t actually accuse him of being a beneficiary he raised it himself. Your welcome to go back to yesterdays GD and read up. ( and a day or so further to where it all began)

And Angus your comment is just like his. He slurs everyone with this lack of argument crap while describing the other person in all sorts of rubbish terms. Everyone except Red is (according to him),a fucking commie. Smacks of one track mind and of a zealot.

Or is it a gutless smear in the face of you having a lack of an argument ?

Well it would take one to recognize one wouldn’t it. 10000+ posts and almost everyone has a smearing attack upon someone else. Think you should quit while you are ahead.
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July 11, 2010 5:21pm
reid

Yvette it’s the matter of principle that’s my sticking point.

With something like a right you have to tie it to everybody of every stripe. So in the case of prisoner rights you can’t say some of these prisoners have a right but some of these don’t.

I acknowledge this principle varies from right-to-right: e.g. do prisoners have a “right” to smoke is very debatable. But it seems to me, and I may be wrong, that Rex is saying everyone but murderers can smoke.

The thing about a right is, it can’t be capricious.
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July 11, 2010 5:22pm
Inventory2

Robert Mapplethorp said

11 July is the International Day against Stoning

I wonder how Philip Ure is marking the day 😉
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July 11, 2010 5:25pm
Angus

“He slurs everyone with this lack of argument crap while describing the other person in all sorts of rubbish terms.”

So you can’t prove it then. It was baseless. Thought so. Try not to be so fucken thin skinned.
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July 11, 2010 5:27pm
Chicken Little

Come on Angus – Red wants to abuse all and sundry, always taking the high ground, but maybe, just maybe, he ain’t what he purports to be.

Personally I’m pretty sick of him posting the same old crap insults constantly, troll like is the only way to describe it. Farrar seems to let him have a free ride for some reason, has done since I’ve been coming here (2005), so now’s the time for old reddy to front up or shut up, diversion on your part makes no difference.
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July 11, 2010 5:39pm
Viking2

Angus , instead of being a moron groupie go back and follow the conversation. That’s the right thing to do or are you just as anal as he is.
Really you clowns accuse the left of being groupies but you’re worse because you should know better. Funnily enough RB accused me of the same thing this morning because I copied over a post of Perigo’s.

Really.
And I don’t need to prove anything.
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July 11, 2010 5:43pm
Pete George

Angus, it’s easy to call Red out on his bullshit and bluster, and he just responds with more bluster and abuse.

He showed his form here this morning.

Conservative Books Dominate the Amazon.Com Best Seller List. Why?

The best selling book for the last 8 or 10 weeks is Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny.” And not just the best selling non-fiction book, but the best seller of all Amazon.com titles. It has been on the Amazon.com top 100 list for 122 days.

Not in the top 100: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books

Amazon Bestsellers Rank “Liberty and Tyranny”:
#1,278 in Books
#19 in Books > Nonfiction > Social Sciences > Political Science > Political Doctrines
#2 in Books > Nonfiction > Politics > Political Parties

His response was pathetic – if he thought I was actually wrong (it was obvious I wasn’t, easily checked) he could have countered with something, but there was nothing but his usual abusive slogans.
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July 11, 2010 5:47pm
dad4justice

Is the murder rate in South Auckland worse than any big city in the USA, Crusher you pathetic flower ?
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July 11, 2010 6:01pm
reid

“there was nothing but his usual abusive slogans”

But who cares, Pete?

I’ve never understood why some get upset if they’re called names on a blog. I mean, it’s not even as if they’re in person.

So they can sit, relaxed and comfortable, and respond in their own good time, with no pressure, in any way they want.

It’s perfect.

Everyone’s equal, online.

You can humiliate, you can deflect, you can ignore, you can defeat with logic – and all in your own time and in your own way.

You can also learn and we all get that from vast diversity of opinion and long may it continue and expand.

Isn’t it wonderful.

So I just don’t get your offence-taken attitude.
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July 11, 2010 6:05pm
Pete George

It’s not offence, he’s a mix of funny and pathetic. I’m aware RB is more buffoon than Bethune and ruins his cause with his approach more than anything, he’s hardly going to gather popular support when he keeps abusing it.

I just believe in standing up against offensive. I’d do that in other social situations, so why not on blogs? If he is given free rein he seems to gather a few other bullies who are here for blood sport rather than discussion and debate. I don’t mind robust, but fairness is surely important too.
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July 11, 2010 6:23pm
WebWrat

Shit I’m sick of KiwiBog … takes 6 or 7 refreshes to load a page. I only come here to read Redbaiter shoving it up the gang-bangers.

Looks like it is your turn Angus.
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July 11, 2010 6:26pm
Pete George

WebWrat proves a point. Here to be vindictive.
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July 11, 2010 6:27pm
dad4justice

“he’s a mix of funny and pathetic.”

That’s a bit rich coming from a pathetic piffle merchant like yourself petey gal. The jokes on you jerk!
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July 11, 2010 6:28pm
Viking2

lookout here come the fruit cakes!

Speaking of which
Where’s Big Bruv today?
Afraid to show his face now the AB’s have managed to kick arse.

tut tut BB.

Mind you they won this one but will they win the cup?
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July 11, 2010 6:42pm
WebWrat

Graped = Red/Angus/anyone else that doesn’t toe the party line getting gang-banged by a bunch of loony, loopy, lobotomized commos.

Pete, I think you are the offensive one, sitting on your fence with your arrogant assumption that you have the authority to umpire the peasants.

Fuck … how can you write 5730 posts and say nothing of worth?
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July 11, 2010 6:48pm
Viking2

I just heard Johnkey saying we should all learn mandarin for the sake of our future. FFs some don’t even manage basic English.
Next it will be Indian and given the numbers here in NZ that makes some sense, however which dialect should we learn?
India will have a bigger population than China by 2050.

Oh and back to Mandarin. Kev 07 Rudd was a fluent Mandarin speaker and look what it did for Australia and him.
” what did he say about the Chinese’over climate change, “looks like their fucking us right up the arse ” or words to that effect. Haha

How do you say that in Mandarin Kev?
Need to teach John. Can you pop over and do that.
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July 11, 2010 6:48pm
Viking2

webrat, depends if you comprehend or not.
Perhaps you should take Keys advise and learn Mandarin.
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July 11, 2010 6:51pm
Viking2

How many years can one live off a student loan. Anyone able to tell me.
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July 11, 2010 6:53pm
WebWrat

Already know a bit thanks v2 … worked there for a couple of years.
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July 11, 2010 6:54pm
Pete George

Not mandarin all of us Viking. It would help businesses that want to trade with China (or India, or wherever) if they have more lingo knowledge. It might be as simple as employing immigrants who already know English.

Another point they made is mandarin has just overtaken Latin in schools, knowing some live languages sounds like a better option for business.
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July 11, 2010 6:58pm
WebWrat

You’re right v2 …. I must admit I don’t comprehend at all why people today are so hell bent on destroying their own society.

It’s got me totally buggered.
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July 11, 2010 6:59pm
Redbaiter

Fuck off yellowback. You’re only here to disrupt debate and whine. Go somewhere else and you’ll be a lot happier. How the fuck nyone can be “bullied” in a place where they only read anything completley of their own volition is is something I will never understand.

I do though understand the left’s obsession with political correctness, which they have converted into a means to protect themselves from being named as the losers, parasites thieves and liars they customarily are.

“I have to say IMO if you will not confirm to the negative thats as good as saying you are ”

It means two things Chicken

1) I don’t write anything here just because some left wing coward intent on a smear campaign demands it and,

2) I don’t really give a fuck what you think either way, and if you want to go around stating as fact that I am a dole bludger merely because I refuse to answer the allegations of cowards like you Viking and Yellowback George, then go for it.

You lefties are just useless pricks and if you weren’t you be arguing your views with credible points rather than engaging in cowardly and baseless smear campaigns.

All the lot of you achieve is to convince us once again that you are exactly the kind of amoral unprincipled lowlife we always say you are. When you behave in this manner you can hardly expect to earn more than contempt.

That’s what you’ve rightly earned, so shut the fuck up with your whining and wear it. You and Yellowback and Viking ask for everything you get.

Come on here whining about a bit of abuse when you’re obviously such lowlife?? FFS, get a damn life.
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July 11, 2010 7:02pm
Redbaiter

“Fuck … how can you write 5730 posts and say nothing of worth?”

Yep, it takes a special kind of shit for brains coward.
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July 11, 2010 7:04pm
Luc Hansen

Very, very, very good win by the Warriors!

Woohoo!
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July 11, 2010 7:05pm
Luc Hansen

How come Philu got a ban

but RB remains to harangue?
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July 11, 2010 7:06pm
Johnboy

Have you actually got a life Petty George (other than Kiwiblog) cause you sure spend a lot of the day/night here?
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July 11, 2010 7:06pm
WebWrat

Thanks Red … well worth the 4 refreshes to get this bloody page reloaded!
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July 11, 2010 7:06pm
Johnboy

RB knows WHO to harangue Fuc, (unlike dumb bastards like PhilU and his ilk). 🙂
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July 11, 2010 7:08pm
Chicken Little

Ha ha – RED THE BENE, I love it.

So I’m a commie now? I’m asking for it? I should shut the fuck up?

Ha ha – you sir, are a cock……….a welfare bludging cock to boot.

Talk about being a total loser. Made my night, possibly my week. Nothing more than another hypocritical squealer, accusing everyone else of everything under the sun, while you take OUR money to make thousands of crap comments here.

Get a job you fucken loser.
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July 11, 2010 7:21pm
Viking2

Ha fucking ha.

Answer Pete because that’s the question I posed to the red ranter a couple of days back and which I am still waiting for the answer. (and presumably the rr groupie has gone to look for.)

There’s no doubt he’s a bully, a little man because most little men are bullies, Muldoon, being a good example. Usually they are Jekyll and Hyde as well, two faced is the other description.
Workplace psychopaths comes to mind not that this would apply to Red for it seems he doesn’t have a job. Well not by the time he spends filling up Farrars pages with his invective.

Yep, it takes a special kind of shit for brains coward.
The only coward here is the one who spews forth at everyone else 10000+ posts with most of them containing n attempt to bully his way over others and use that bullying tatic to silence them.
10000+ posts and he hasn’t learnt yet that people are not going to be intimidated by his bad attitude towards them, well at least some of us. Of course DPF will never know how many just no longer come because of RB’s treatment of them.
All in the name of the right.

No wonder people don’t want to go there.
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July 11, 2010 7:23pm
reid

“well worth the 4 refreshes to get this bloody page reloaded!”

I’ve emailed DPF last night’s sub-thread…
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July 11, 2010 7:23pm
Luc Hansen

There was a review in today’s SST of a book by yet another embedded reporter/writer in Afghanistan. That’s all very well, and I have no problem with that – it sounds like an excellent read – but what I would like to see is articles and a book from someone embedded with Afghans.

I would like their views on how they see the international invasion of their country.

For example, Al Jazeera reports today that hundreds of people demonstrated in Mazar el Sharif against the ISAF occupation and the rising count of civilian casualties. I bet you don’t see that reported in our MSM.

One item in the review that saw my eyes widen was where the US grunt said he could tell a Taleban member just by the way that person looked at him. Well, I would like to ask that soldier how he would look at a foreign invader in his home town? With love and adoration?

The best non-western filtered reporter I have found is Pepe Escobar, but he doesn’t get published in the West.

Anyone want to fund me to spend a year in Afghanistan, embedded with ordinary folks, reporting daily if possible?

Just think guys, I may not return. How’s that for an incentive?
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July 11, 2010 7:23pm
side show bob

I’ve decide to put an aquarium in the house for the kids, does anyone know where you can buy jellyfish?. We are not going for the coral reef look, I think the kids should learn about government first.
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July 11, 2010 7:27pm
Redbaiter

“but RB remains to harangue?”

Probably because DPF understand the point that I prefer to take you bastards down with arguments, and the only reason any hash words are exchanged here is always because leftists are customarily so arrogant, patronising, insulting and often downright cowardly as Viking, Chicken and Yellowback have been today.

Pete George I sincerely believe is here to disrupt discussion on Kiwiblog and no other reason. Who else could post over 5000 posts in the time he has unless he had some clearly defined purpose? Kiwiblog is a nationally effective political resource that leftists hate intensely and I firmly believe it is Pete George’s mission to try and interfere

Here is here to purposefully attack the substance of Kiwiblog as a debate chamber for the right wing.

Here’s done nothing but whine about Redbaiter’s rudeness all day as a ploy to conceal the fact that he’s too damn stupid, uninformed and lacking in comprehension skills to ever seriously argue a point. He’s not here to argue, he is here to cripple debate.
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July 11, 2010 7:28pm
Johnboy

“Anyone want to fund me to spend a year in Afghanistan, embedded with ordinary folks,”

I may have been tempted but “ordinary folks” don’t put up with weirdo’s for long so I guess it would be a poor investment.
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July 11, 2010 7:30pm
Redbaiter

“Ha ha – you sir, are a cock……….a welfare bludging cock to boot.”

I’ll tell you what I am Chicken, and why I’m so much better than you and your gutless mates. I would never accuse anyone of such a thing unless I knew it to be a fact. Its just common decency and self respect that drives such behaviour Chicken, and that’s the reason lowlife such as you will never understand what I am talking about.
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July 11, 2010 7:32pm
Chicken Little

Have to be a sickness benefit wouldn’t it?

or maybe an invalids?

*chuckles*
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July 11, 2010 7:35pm
Pete George

Surely that that clinches is. Redbaiter is just a sendup. Has to be. No one could be that hypocritical without knowing it. He sends himself up deliberately so much is has to be an act. Doesn’t rule out him being on a benefit too though.
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July 11, 2010 7:36pm
dad4justice

^^^ I don’t rule out petey gal is Heather Simpson.
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July 11, 2010 7:38pm
Johnboy

You still haven’t answered my question Petty.

Here at 7.17am and still here.

What a sad boring little man you must be.
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July 11, 2010 7:39pm
Redbaiter

“Just think guys, I may not return.”

Well, if the Americans would just nuke the place a few times like they should, and you were there Luc, it would be most likely you would not return.

That aside, I don’t know why you’re here anyway. The west is obviously a source of great hatred to you. If you don’t go to Afghanistan, why don’t you fuck off and live with your Palestinian mates?
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July 11, 2010 7:39pm
Chicken Little

ha ha I’m a lowlife now?

My mates?….what Pete?, I think you’ll find Pete and I don’t see eye to eye at all. So that would be a false accusation, right? Hmmm I thought you didn’t do that cause.. you know… you’ve got decency and morals. HAHA

I just don’t like hypocritical bullies like you, boy, that’s all.
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July 11, 2010 7:39pm
Redbaiter

“You still haven’t answered my question Petty.”

They’re here to smear and disrupt. Not debate. They’ve got nothing.
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July 11, 2010 7:40pm
side show bob

Hi Luc, yeah I’ll throw $100 in as long as the ticket is one way.
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July 11, 2010 7:41pm
Redbaiter

“No one could be that hypocritical without knowing it.”

Oh gawd, there goes Pete again with his favourite baseless smear. Where’s the hypocrisy Yellowback? Let’s see if your argument is as baseless this time as it is every other time.
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