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June 9, 2010 7:35am by David Farrar

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Johnboy

Poor old Petey is an academic on killing Kris. I doubt he has ever squeezed the trigger on a living creature and butchered the carcass. Some of us of course have done a lot of that sort of thing and lost the taste for it over the years but the more we read of the peaceful Islamic people and their plans for the rest of us the more the idea of trying some more interesting game takes hold.
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June 9, 2010 9:27pm
Johnboy

Get off on Aussie gingas then do you phool?
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June 9, 2010 9:28pm
reid

Israel really needs to ignore world opinion and just get on with getting the job done.

It already is, Kris. And guess what’s happening?
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June 9, 2010 9:32pm
Hurf Durf

Just as well only twelve people on this Earth watch Backbenches and can tolerate Wallace Chapman at the same time.
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June 9, 2010 9:32pm
Johnboy

“Just as well only twelve people on this Earth watch Backbenches”

Fuck are you trying to tell us phool is one of the Apostles. Sheeit!!
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June 9, 2010 9:35pm
Hurf Durf

Actually one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse made problematic by his triple vision.
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June 9, 2010 9:36pm
Pete George

Yes, I did read Mike’s testimony. “The following testimony was forwarded by Dina Moskowitz to an Israeli forum.” It dates back to June 2009, so has nothing to do with the current issue (that wasn’t clear in his post).

“Dina Moskowitz” +amir “Hello Uncle Erwin” has 4 hits on Google so must be suspect – can it be authenticated?

I’m well aware of some atrocities by Islamic extremists. The Israelis have been found out at times too. There’s a lot of shit going on over there. I hope that the same stuff doesn’t get successfully talked up here.
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June 9, 2010 9:37pm
Johnboy

He can’t be one Hurf. they were, pestilence, war, famine, and death.

No lazy, dopey, stupid, or unemployed amongst them. Check again.
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June 9, 2010 9:40pm
Pete George

Johnyboy, your guessing is shit. The last time had a rifle out was last night. I grew up in the country, and have butchered carcasses (sheep kill and hunting) although I prefer not to.

I also don’t talk about killing people, but if it came to necessity I don’t doubt that I would – I doubt that it will be necessary, unless some stupid gungho pricks talk up some shit here.
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June 9, 2010 9:44pm
Kris K

Johnboy 9:27 pm,

I reckon you’d be right about Pete.

Probably like yourself, Johnboy, if I was one of the IDF guys I know I’d have trouble in not taking out a few enemy given the chance. I really don’t know how they hold themselves in check given the sort of atrocities these Islamists are capable of. As much as I value human life, and believe murder is wrong, when you’re at war, like Israel is, you are fighting for, quite literally, God and country, peace and freedom. Islam goes against every value I hold dear; everything that is decent and just, and I would have no trouble in opposing it with every fibre of my being. There is certainly such a thing as a just war; and I believe Israel’s response to assaults against her exceeds the call of duty in regards to justice – especially when the Islamists show her none in return.

I think, like you, this stuff really gets me wild!
And that most of the world chooses to ignore the truth gets me even more wild!

[I’m off for the night – need to cool off – have a good one]
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June 9, 2010 9:46pm
Pete George

People getting wild causes a lot of shit around the world.

And you reckon wrong Kris. You seem to make things up to suit your illusions.
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June 9, 2010 9:48pm
Viking2

Labour MP comes clean on spending

Although details of ministerial credit card spending won’t be handed to the media until tomorrow, one Labour Party MP has already confirmed he had to pay back about $5000.

Far North list MP Shane Jones was minister for building and construction in the previous government and admits to wrongly using his card to charter a plane and buy wine, magazines and books, TV3 News reported.

He also wrongly used the card to buy movies when he stayed at hotels.

Mr Jones said he was “pretty embarrassed” but intended being upfront about it.

He said he would come to Wellington tomorrow to face the media.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3793137/Labour-MP-comes-clean-on-spending
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June 9, 2010 9:53pm
reid

And that most of the world chooses to ignore the truth gets me even more wild!

No we don’t ignore it Kris. We just think you’re wrong.
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June 9, 2010 9:56pm
Johnboy

“I also don’t talk about killing people, but if it came to necessity I don’t doubt that I would – I doubt that it will be necessary, unless some stupid gungho pricks talk up some shit here.”

I doubt very much that anything we say here will cause a war pete but I am getting very tired of sitting back and letting sub human pieces of shit like the Islamic Jihadists or others of their ilk take over the world and destroy everything that we regard as decent in it to fit in with their warped religion.

If you think that is OK well get off to the Madrassa and further your education. The Israeli’s I believe are about to engage in the fight of their lives to preserve their way of life and that of all of us who hold dear the tenents of western civilisation such as freedom, democracy and human rights.

They need our support they don’t need the pathetic crap that we are seeing from Obama and the bunch that you seem to be aligning yourself with.

If you think that justice and human rights are best depicted by the Islamic model as espoused by Iran and Hamas well all I can say is that you are a really sad piece of shit.
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June 9, 2010 10:02pm
Pete George

Johnboy, if you are so experienced you must have been a tad suspicious of “He shot him with a special non-lethal bullet that didn’t kill him. ” (Mike at 7.13)

the bunch that you seem to be aligning yourself with.

I have no idea what you are trying to “guess” there.

If you think that justice and human rights are best depicted by the Islamic model as espoused by Iran and Hamas

I have made it clear that’s not what I think.
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June 9, 2010 10:04pm
Johnboy

Heres one for you petey:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE65814R20100609?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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June 9, 2010 10:06pm
Hurf Durf

Looks like some of Twyford’s people have gone nuts.
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June 9, 2010 10:06pm
Johnboy

And another:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE65814R20100609?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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June 9, 2010 10:08pm
Johnboy

Some of your buddies home movies petey:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE65814R20100609?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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June 9, 2010 10:13pm
krazykiwi

@virtualmark – re CERs, thanks for that. I had suspected this, but hadn’t unearthed the right info. Still keen to hear Smith explain our Kyoto ‘liability’.
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June 9, 2010 10:14pm
Johnboy

And of course petey, last but not least, your old favourite from the other night:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE65814R20100609?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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June 9, 2010 10:15pm
Pete George

Johnboy, not only do you shoot blanks all over the place and then try and change the subject when you’re called on it, you then keep repeating the same link. I could try and explain how copy and paste works but you’d probably ignore that too.
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June 9, 2010 10:16pm
krazykiwi

Mr Jones said he was “pretty embarrassed” but intended being upfront about it.

Well that’s bullshit. Any contrition and/or embarrassment would have preceded the sunlight. I think there will be all sorts of sudden upfront’ness as liars and thieves attempt to dodge public indignation.
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June 9, 2010 10:20pm
Johnboy

Yeah fair cop petey. I just changed the OS to windows7 from vista last night and downloaded the latest firefox about 3 hours ago.

I’ll eat shit and go learn how to drive it. Links were meant to be to good old Islamic executions not all to Dutch election.

I don’t ignore everything you say just about 99% of it. 🙂
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June 9, 2010 10:31pm
reid

If you think that justice and human rights are best depicted by the Islamic model as espoused by Iran and Hamas well all I can say is that you are a really sad piece of shit.

Johnboy, you don’t think that justice and human rights are best depicted by the Jewish model as espoused by Israel, do you?
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June 9, 2010 10:55pm
Pete George

I’m not so hot on justice and human rights as depicted by some Kristian models either.

That doesn’t mean I agree with other religions on justice and human rights, especially Islam, on the contrary, I don’t think any religions should be directly involved in the running of states. I prefer how the US constitution separates religion and state.

Israel has a right to actively defend itself. Sometimes it oversteps, to it’s detriment, eg when it uses stolen or forged passports from ‘friendly” countries. I think NZ and most New Zealanders are mostly supportive of Israel but don’t think it should ignore international law or abuse good relationships with allies.

I’m not taking sides or jumping to conclusions on the current incident with “aid” ships, I don’t know anywhere near enough facts, it is far too clouded by misinformation like what Mike tried to plant at 7.13 (I don’t know if that was deliberate or naive).

The Israeli hard nosed approach has some advantages but it has not and never will resolve the longstanding, deepseated problems there.
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June 9, 2010 11:13pm
starboard

heruld…

“Although details of ministerial credit card spending won’t be handed to the media until tomorrow, one Labour Party MP has already confirmed he had to pay back about $5000.

Far North list MP Shane Jones was minister for building and construction in the previous government and admits to wrongly using his card to charter a plane and buy wine, magazines and books, TV3 News reported.

He also wrongly used the card to buy movies when he stayed at hotels”

outted…number one of many…greedy fuckin pig…
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