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June 5, 2010 7:52am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 June 2010

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krazykiwi

Luc, not one site. 100’s. Probably 1000’s. Situated at Airports, in built-up areas, near air conditioning ducts and ventilation shafts. Faulty manual transposition of data between systems. All ‘adjusted’. Your CAGW religion is a crumbling crock of shit. But keep worshiping Luc.
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June 5, 2010 9:32pm
Luc Hansen

Tim

Words fail me – Kiwiblog, the haven for cut and paste artistes…

Sand’s book was on the best seller lists in Israel for 19 weeks. For such a highly educated population, that’s a telling statistic.

By the way, did you miss that popular Israeli joke I posted here? It goes like this:

75% of us are atheist or agnostic, but 100% of us believe that G-d gave us this land.

Says it all, really.
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June 5, 2010 9:35pm
Hurf Durf

The Rachel Corrie has been boarded with permission. No bulldozers were deployed.
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June 5, 2010 9:41pm
TimG_Oz

For such a highly educated population, that’s a telling statistic.

What does it tell? That Israelis are open minded, and allow free speech and conterversy to flow?

I guess that is very telling, when Hamas won’t allow a schoolbook that shows Israel to be imported into the country. What does that say?

I’m sure being a good book reader you will have read all of Alan Dershowitz’s works.

PS – I like the joke, quite funny. It’s a pity you’re using it to drive a scary agenda.
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June 5, 2010 9:42pm
JiveKitty

Climate change has occurred throughout history, right?
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June 5, 2010 9:48pm
krazykiwi

@JiveKitty – Correct. But we’ve only recently become stupid enough to think that increased taxation and/or wealth re-distribution can change that.
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June 5, 2010 9:53pm
krazykiwi

@JiveKitty – here a quite a good diagram detailing the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. In the cosmic scheme of things, these are very a recent happenings. Earth is still going through longer cycle changes.
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June 5, 2010 9:59pm
Hurf Durf

Little Luccy must be so angry he didn’t get the second massacre he wanted.
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June 5, 2010 10:06pm
krazykiwi

Israel’s best response now could be to
1. make port
2. process and deport the crew and passengers
3. document aid and publish reconciliation with ships manifest
4. give aid to UN to transport to Gaza
5. issue a statement saying they support the supply of humanitarian aid, but will continue to intercept blockade runners
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June 5, 2010 10:10pm
JiveKitty

@KrazyKiwi: Yeah, I knew about those. I wanted Luc to reply, because I want to know what the issue around it is. I accept that it is happening, and I accept that humans, given their spread and resource use on the Earth, will contribute to that although they will not be the only contributors. But I want to know what the problem with it is? I accept that it may change how resources are employed and it may diminsh some resources and potentially make it harder for some humans. But I see this as something humanity needs to adapt to, not something apocalytic as is apparently being prophesied. Circumstances are not always going to be ideal, and throughout history this has apparently been shown. Why would we expect they would remain so?
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June 5, 2010 10:14pm
JiveKitty

@krazykiwi: Also agree about the Israel aid situation. The Israeli state needs to make sure that every item of aid is accounted for and gets to its intended destination. It will make the blockade runners actions look suspect, at the least (although they may claim that it was their behaviour and the scrutiny it brought that led Israel to act in such a manner, but how believable that will be, I don’t know).
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June 5, 2010 10:19pm
Southern Raider

Luc its not Climate Change killing people in Darfur its left wing wankers like yourself so preoccupied by Israel and gettiong blow jobs from Muslims that you turn you back on where the real violence is happening.

Lack of rain didn’t kill hundreds of thousands in Darfur, it was steel blades being held by “activists” otherwise known as Muslim warriors
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June 5, 2010 10:19pm
Southern Raider

Luc no Arabs until 1948 called themselves Palestinians.

And it is impossible for them to be Palestinians. The area known as Palestine was named after the Philistines (the Sea People) which have been traced back to the Aegean Islands.

How many Arabs do you know that eat Olives and own Sovilaki shops?
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June 5, 2010 10:22pm
Southern Raider

Hi Luc who built the first and second temples in Jerusalem. Aliens?
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June 5, 2010 10:24pm
Luc Hansen

hurf @ 10.06pm

What a sick fuck you are. Do you still live at home? Have you told your mum about your wonderful sense of humour? Have you even seen the footage of Rachel being deliberately killed by the driver of that Caterpillar bulldozer? Have you got a sister or two? Have you shared your joke with them? You are the saddest arse bro on here, for sure, and that’s saying a lot!

KK @10.10pm

I think you will find events have moved on from your ignorance and aid will flow more freely now. But the next job is to free the 1.7m prisoners in Gaza of both Israel and Hamas dictatorship.

The fact is that the overwhelming majority of Gazans are as much, of not more so, victims of Hamas as Israelis, but the Gazans have done nothing to deserve it. They just happen to be born into it. At least half of Gazans are under 20. Think about it. Ask your daughter. How on earth can 850,000 kids under 20 be punished for an ongoing conflict that they had no say in? Even Tony Blair, the arch anti-christ, recognises this now. Are you more of an arsehole than Blair? It’s hard to imagine.
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June 5, 2010 10:27pm
Banana Llama

Southern Raider, Native American Indians who drove automobiles, polluted the planet and turned the area to Desert.
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June 5, 2010 10:30pm
Hurf Durf

Tish and pish, Luc. I’m sure that Miss Corrie being a liberal, she would have enjoyed a little bit of ass-to-mouth.
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June 5, 2010 10:32pm
Luc Hansen

SR

It’s quite simple.

It’s tradition all over the world, probably more so in the ME, to build your place of worship on the site (often just a renovation) of the previous occupier’s site. So the First Temple was built on the site of the place of Pagan ritual (I like some Pagan rituals, especially the nakedness and the sex!).

Was there a Second Temple? Absolutely no proof of that, in spite of massive diggings by desperate atheist Israelis.

You guys need to understand, I and others like me do not frame this in a religious context. If you read the history, it’s about territory, not religion. It’s about the indigenous people with thousands of years traceable history being overrun by colonisers. The fatal flaw for the colonisers in this case is that the age of colonisation has passed.

I do not understand this obscene display of sadism by Israelis and their supporters anymore than I understand the motivation behind the Holocaust, or the killing of 7,000,000 Muslim Mesopotamians by the Mongols (aided and abetted by the local Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians).

How 1.5 billion Muslims can be vilified for the actions of a very, very few yet Jews and Christians lauded for the same acts just bewilders me.
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June 5, 2010 10:42pm
Banana Llama

Don’t stand in front of heavy machinery when it is operating, if construction workers can figure that out then i’m sure you Progressives can.
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June 5, 2010 10:42pm
philu

i’ve just been at a raw/vegan potluck dinner….with about twenty other vegans..

..and i had only met a few of them before….

how cool is that..?

(there are more of us every day….eh..?..)

and the food..?..mmm!!!

and the desserts..?….mmmm..!!!

and very very cool people…from all walks of life…

go vegan..!..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/?s=vegan

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 10:43pm
Hurf Durf

I had a stonegrill steak with potatoes and grilled corn on the cob followed by a TV show on CI about car crime featuring Trevor Motherfucking McDonald.

I think I trumped your guilt and tofu night.
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June 5, 2010 10:47pm
krazykiwi

victims of Hamas … Hamas dictatorship… Gazans have done nothing to deserve it …

…except vote Hamas into office.

As for the need for aid, here’s a comment from the Israel Wrong thread

The flotilla was on a ‘humanitarian’ ‘peace’ mission according to Israel’s detracters. Gaza is starving we are told. Well the Financial Times begs to differ “Hundreds of tunnels have shut down over the past year as a result of greater Egyptian efforts to stop the flow of goods – and weapons – into the strip. But the remaining tunnels, about 200 to 300 according to most estimates, have become so efficient that shops all over Gaza are bursting with goods.
Branded products such as Coca-Cola, Nescafé, Snickers and Heinz ketchup – long absent as a result of the Israeli blockade – are both cheap and widely available. However, the tunnel operators have also flooded Gaza with Korean refrigerators, German food mixers and Chinese air conditioning units. Tunnel operators and traders alike complain of a saturated market – and falling prices.
“Everything I demand, I can get,” says Abu Amar al-Kahlout, who sells household goods out of a warehouse big enough to accommodate a passenger jet.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/587d04da-6686-11df-aeb1-00144feab49a,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F587d04da-6686-11df-aeb1-00144feab49a.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2010%2F06%2F02%2Fnetanyahu-speaks-the-jewish-state-has-a-right-to-defend-itself%2F

A Danish TV reporter Stefan Jensen reports from Gaza “there was certainly no shortage of vegetables, fruits or any other ordinary, basic foods”
Read the whole report – http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.steffen-jensen.dk/dan/blogartikler/134–mere-mangel-pa-arbejde-end-pa-mad/&sl=da&tl=en

And now the clincher – CNN are reporting (sorry no link as more than 2 sends it into moderation) that when the Israelis went to return the shipments from the flotilla to Hamas at the Gazan terminal of Rafah – they refused shipment! Says heaps about the true motivation of this voyage.
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June 5, 2010 10:49pm
philu

going for the broad range of cancers there…are we hurf…?

http://whoar.co.nz/?s=meat+cancer

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 10:54pm
Luc Hansen

SR again

Until 1948, Palestinians considered themselves to be Arabs first (and they supported the concept of a pan-Arab state, but the all-conquering Allies wouldn’t allow that) then, secondly, as Syrians, Southern Syrians, as they had been for a millenia or more before the Ottomans arrived, and that was closed off as well by the same parties, so they had to focus on their last remaining hope, their identity with their land, known as Palestine for AT LEAST 2000 years.

And since you are so keen on historical attachment, and Tuhoe have been the occupiers of the Ureweras for about 1000 years, I take it you support returning it to them?

Jive Kitty, you’re next if you are still around.
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June 5, 2010 10:55pm
krazykiwi

And since you are so keen on historical attachment, and Tuhoe have been the occupiers of the Ureweras for about 1000 years, I take it you support returning it to them?

Sure… once it’s confirmed that Maori were not colonizers. I think they probably were, and don’t deserve the ‘indigenous’ label. The thought of humans only being on our islands for the last 1000 years, about 49,000 less than the neighbouring aborigines seems unlikely. Still, it can all be cleared up once those archives are opened up and formal pre-Maori archeological research is permitted.

Night all!
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June 5, 2010 11:01pm
starboard

i’ve just been at a raw/vegan potluck dinner

..oohhh..were you wearing sandals ..eating mung beans and tofu were you ??..finished off with a group tree hug ??..fucking weirdo..
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June 5, 2010 11:03pm
Luc Hansen

KK

you are so fucked for a so-called Xtian.

Let’s look at the facts. The West called of another round of elections in the OPT following Arafat’s death. Hamas, after boycotting the first elections, this time agreed to participate. They suspended all military activities. They came into the tent. Unexpectedly, they won, not with a majority of the votes but a majority of seats, in spite of Arafat’s gerrymandering. Of course they had strong support because they were such a strong social welfare movement.

To show responsibility, they formed a national unity govt with Fatah. It seemed a textbook example of reforming a terrorist organisation. But Israel took fright at the sight of peace and refused to deal with the new govt. So we invited people to enjoy democracy, then refused to deal with the winners, even though we allowed them to participate.

So Israel joined with the US in training a new force under a Gaza warlord -Dahlan- to oust Hamas (and slaughter the leaders etc). Hamas got wind of the plan and took pre-emptive action and expelled those troops from Gaza and, because they had the guns, they became the new dictators of Gaza. Then Israel imposed collective punishment, a war crime. A serious war crime.

I repeat, according to Tony Blair, finally coming to his senses, over half the 1.7 million Gazans are under 20. They did not vote for Hamas. They are innocents. Do we really want to carry this on for yet another generation?
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June 5, 2010 11:10pm
philu

didn’t see any sandals/mung beans..and tofu isn’t raw…eh…?

and because lots didn’t know each other …

there was a group yack…much hilarity..

(and no trees were assaulted/harmed in the course of the dinner..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 11:10pm
Luc Hansen

kk

what archives?
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June 5, 2010 11:11pm
Luc Hansen

Hey Phil

a bit of group sex as well?

Good fun eh?
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June 5, 2010 11:14pm
philu

kk..are you sure you aren’t an atheist..?

just here trying to make all christians look like reactionary/racist/bigoted scumbags..?

..who peddle poison/hatred..?

if so..you are making a fair fist of it…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 11:17pm
philu

in yr dreams there..luc…

..(why do i suddenly feel a need to shower..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 11:20pm
Hurf Durf

Hilarious and wonderfully appropriate about a certain someone in this thread.

ISRAEL’S attack on a Palestinian aid ship will make it easier for Guardian readers to sound as if they know what they are talking about, it was claimed last night.

Experts warned Tel Aviv that every time it launches a seemingly unprovoked or disproportionate attack it allows at least 10,000 cretins to say something at a dinner party that everyone then agrees with.

…

But Julian Cook, a grade six Guardian reader from Highbury, said: “There’s a fascinating piece by Jonathan Freedland which sums up my feelings exactly – and he’s Jewish so that means I must be right. At least I think he’s Jewish. He certainly looks like a Jew.”
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June 5, 2010 11:29pm
sbk

in yr dreams there..luc…

..(why do i suddenly feel a need to shower..?

..what a cold one.
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June 5, 2010 11:31pm
philu

indeed..sbk……’what a cold one’…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 5, 2010 11:33pm
krazykiwi

kk..are you sure you aren’t an atheist..?

Very sure.
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June 6, 2010 9:45am
krazykiwi

To show responsibility, they formed a national unity govt with Fatah. It seemed a textbook example of reforming a terrorist organisation.

Was it responsibe for Hamas to execute disposed Fatah leaders and throw their bodies from buildings? Did Hamas show evidence of being a reformed terrorist organisation when they started raining mortar and rockets down on Israeli suburbs?
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