General Debate 3 June 2010

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Inventory2

Me!
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June 3, 2010 8:54am
MikeNZ

well done
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June 3, 2010 9:05am
Falafulu Fisi

Here is a nice classic ballad to start your day with:

The Same Love

The song will make you feel calm especially if you’re worrying of what’s ahead on your working schedule today. [In the video, I am one of those young school kids sitting (wearing tupenu or lavalava) at the front by the stage]

However, if you’re cheerful & keen to get things done quickly at work (whatever you’ll be doing), then you may do some broken wing dance moves.

You Better Dance

After that dance, then you’ll be energized and ready to start your day.
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June 3, 2010 9:06am
mickysavage

Did John Key promise not to sell Kiwibank during the last election? Why is he now saying that he will?
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June 3, 2010 9:07am
Inventory2

Is mickysavage nothing if not predictable?
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June 3, 2010 9:12am
campit

Trams make a comeback in Auckland:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649359

Trams are being prepared for a comeback on Auckland’s waterfront, in time for next year’s Rugby World Cup.

More than 50 years since trams disappeared from city streets, the Auckland Regional Council has approved the first stage of a proposal which could ultimately be part of the region’s wider public transport network.

The initial stage will focus on the Tank Farm redevelopment by ARC group subsidiary Sea+City, which will receive $6.3 million to $7.4 million from Auckland Regional Holdings to develop a 1.5km tram circuit by July next year.
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June 3, 2010 9:18am
stephen

Did John Key promise not to sell Kiwibank during the last election? Why is he now saying that he will?

“I am ruling out selling Kiwibank at any point in the future.” I think it was. However if he says that’s what he wants to do in a second term i’m not sure too many will consider that some kind of betrayal or whatever you’re getting at.
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June 3, 2010 9:20am
stephen

campit,

Cool.
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June 3, 2010 9:22am
db

Have BP stations here lost business because of the oil spill?
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June 3, 2010 9:23am
MikeNZ

I’m actually with mickey on this one.

to change the subject.
Andrew McCarthy is the former Assistant United States Attorney who prosecuted the Blind Sheikh and his friends for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing
he has written a book – The Grand Jihad, how Islam and the left sabotage America.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026438.php

I quote from part of what he has written as we are seeing this joining of forces even here in NZ on Kiwiblog and it is a global issue.

Here, though, is the truly distressing part. In 2007, the University of Maryland joined with the pollster World Public Opinion to survey Muslim views in nations across the Middle East, North Africa and Southeast Asia – i.e., both Arab and non-Arab Muslims. They found that about two-thirds (65.5 percent) endorsed the requirement of “a strict application of sharia law in every Islamic country.” About the same number wanted to see all Muslim countries unified under a single caliphate, a position shared even by half of Muslims in Indonesia – where one of the most moderate brands of Islam in the world is practiced. These findings match up with other disturbing figures – like the 93 percent of young Palestinians (and 75 percent of all Palestinians) who deny Israel’s right to exist, and the 40 percent of British Muslims who would like to see sharia become the law of England

This is mainstream Islam and particularly the young listed here, I’d like to see the same poll results today as well.
On another thread where Israel has been condemned and defended for upholding her sea blockade on Gaza this is ignored by Israel’s detractors.

In the Dom post this morning the lead letter called for a moot to discuss moving Israel back to the 1967 borders.
Deliberately IMO not taking account of the facts of the above and what is driving the whole Israel issue, which is also our issue as we live in Dar al Harb – the world of war to the Islamists.
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June 3, 2010 9:26am
wreck1080

Mother on the dpb complaining because daycare charges are increasing.

WTF????? Doesn’t being on the dpb mean that you are home to look after the kids?

http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/local/news/mum-fears-daycare-fee-change-will-hurt/3915160/
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June 3, 2010 9:39am
Manolo

“Did John Key promise not to sell Kiwibank during the last election?”

None of Key’s promises can be taken seriously. Not that I do not agree with selling Kiwi Bank, Anderton’s invention financially propped by taxpayers and sheltered under the wing of NZ Post. Yes, sell it to the highest bidder.

Key’s tendency to break promises cannot be denied: “No more taxes” he promised. Instead, he delivered a hike in ACC levy and the dreadful ETS.

He’s made so many u-turns that his words mean absolutely nothing. Key is just another liar, another ordinary politician.
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June 3, 2010 9:44am
stephen

wreck1080, did you miss the bit about her looking for full time work?
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June 3, 2010 9:47am
krazykiwi

Open road speeding tickets at 104km/h. Tolerance to reduced from 10% (110km/h) “to save lives”. Anyone here think it will have no such effect, but provide armloads of extra cash in fines? (Fines = tax. More fines = less police funding = more money to spend on ‘at risk’ voter constituencies)
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June 3, 2010 9:50am
Owen McShane

Trasport 101

Never build a transport network or line to cater to a single event.
It should stand up during normal times.
Sydney built its CBD Airport rail link for the Olympic games and it lost 900 million in the first year after.
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June 3, 2010 9:51am
Luc Hansen

My question would be why do the police allow a tolerance at all (and I’ve had my fair share of speeding tickets, for sure!). Reduced speeds do save lives, and this was confirmed in the 1970s oil crisis when the limit was lowered to 80ks.

Given that oil is recognised as a fast diminishing resource, and that emissions are a threat to human civilisation, and that we spend more than we earn, on average, as a country, AND that all individual lives are important and irreplaceable, perhaps we should look at that again.
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June 3, 2010 10:04am
Inventory2

wreck/stephen – from the article

Ms Gracie will get a small subsidy from the government, as she is a solo parent, but the cost would still bite, she said.

If Ms Gracie is going to be earning less than $1465.00 per week (which pro-ratas out to over $75k pa), she is entitled to a WINZ childcare subsidy of $3.70 per hour per child for up to 50 hours of care per week, less any of the 20 hours ECE that she attests. That’s a little bit more than “a small subsidy from the government” methinks.
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June 3, 2010 10:07am
voice of reason

“Trasport 101 (sic)
Never build a transport network or line to cater to a single event.
It should stand up during normal times.
Sydney built its CBD Airport rail link for the Olympic games and it lost 900 million in the first year after.”

Not surprising considering the service is probably under utilised – in the mornings upto 9 trains run every hour
fare is only $15 one way – compare that to Heathrow express – every 15 mins & from memory £18 – Hong Kong MTR airport express every 12 -15 mins $20
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June 3, 2010 10:08am
billyborker

Luc Hansen (1544) Says:

June 3rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
My question would be why do the police allow a tolerance at all

Because the Australian Design Rules for speedometres, in common with design rules in most other countries, deem a speedomtre to be accurate with certain tolerances, thus the car’s speedometre can never be considered to be as accurate as that of a speed detection device.

rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/files/ADR%201803.pdf
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June 3, 2010 10:09am
MikeNZ

Good point Billy.
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June 3, 2010 10:10am
Lance

Reducing speed saves lives… sure a speed limit of 25kmh will save more lives… but it would be friggin idiotic.

I’m with krazykiwi on this.

By all means heavy penalties for 130 kph especially in non motorway/ expressway situations and even heavier penalties for dangerous overtaking but pinging mum and dad doing 104 on an empty motorway… dumb.
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June 3, 2010 10:13am
Murray

Inventory, mickey is actually just a bit of software the labour party bought. Hes one of the “personalioties” in the autorantbot system.

see if you can spot the others.
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June 3, 2010 10:18am
Luc Hansen

Billy, strictly speaking, as I’m sure any police officer will tell you, that’s our problem, not theirs. It’s the speed you are doing, not what you think you are doing, that is the basis of the law.

Lance, by all means employ reductio ad absurdum; God knows, most do around here, but an 80k speed limit is not “friggin idiotic” and would actually result in significant savings for the country.

Now I’m not 21 anymore, and do not see myself in competition with every other road user, the idea could grow on me…
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June 3, 2010 10:22am
Murray

The speed limit is a nice idea, but as Luc points out some people don;t give a crap what it is.

As always people are trying to solcial engineer with legislation and it doesn’t work because a law is pointless unless it is enforced. Pinging people at 56k’s with gather money but it wont make anyone safer and it does nothing to deal the 21 year old assholes who shouldn’t be permitted within 100 foot of anything more powerful than a pedal car.
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June 3, 2010 10:26am
Lance

@ Murray
And i would keep an eye on the pedal car… seen what they do with bikes these days 🙂
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June 3, 2010 10:33am
billyborker

Luc Hansen (1545) Says:

June 3rd, 2010 at 10:22 am
Billy, strictly speaking, as I’m sure any police officer will tell you, that’s our problem, not theirs. It’s the speed you are doing, not what you think you are doing, that is the basis of the law.

Luc, if the driver has a speedo at the top end of the tolerances and is, by the reading on that speedo, doing the speed limit, then he has no way of knowing otherwise. I believe that would provide a valid defence.
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June 3, 2010 10:35am
Bevan

stephen: wreck1080, did you miss the bit about her looking for full time work?

I’m looking for a job too! In fact over the last three weeks ago I’ve looked at the Situations Vacant page at least twice!
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June 3, 2010 10:40am
Murray

And air rifles Lance.
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June 3, 2010 10:47am
Murray

You can offer a defence of a faulty speedo. You will need to prove it though.
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June 3, 2010 10:48am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/why-conservatives-hate-you-how-our-politics-relies-on-creating-disgust-for-opponents/

“… Are you someone who struggles to understand why people behave the way they do in politics?

Perhaps you’ve been confused by all the fervor against gay marriage.

Or maybe you’re taken aback by the strong emotions waged against government-sponsored health care.

To understand political behaviors like these, you’ll need to become familiar with the psychology of disgust.

Researchers have learned a lot about it in recent years:

* Disgust, like all emotions, is biological and can be explained through the workings of the brain

* Disgust is the physiological foundation for moral notions of purity and sacrilege

* Disgust, once felt, creates a persistent association that is very difficult to get rid of

* Disgust is a powerful motivator of behavior, helping deter us away from perceived threats to our health

So what does this have to do with politics?

In a word … everything…”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 3, 2010 10:56am
Murray

Are you someone who is confused by reality?

Take drugs and demand that everyone else support your choice to be a lazy sack of crap!
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June 3, 2010 10:57am
Inventory2

Change of subject; does anyone else think that our sentencing laws are a bit off? Check out this chain of events:

* November 2009 – Isaiah Tai, drunk, punches Hawea Vercoe to the ground then kicks him in the head, kiliing him. He is arrested and charged with Mr Vercoe’s murder.
* December 2009 – Tai is released on bail after spending three weeks on remand in custody
* March 2010 – A witness tells a depositions hearing

Moments later she watched a man, identified by other witnesses as Tai, run and punch Mr Vercoe in the head, and while he was on the ground unconscious, kick him in the head.

“It was a huge kick, like someone taking a penalty kick in rugby,” she said.

Ms Barlow said she put Mr Vercoe in the recovery position, but he was unresponsive.

Tai is committed for trial in the High Court on a count of murder
April 2010 – Tai appears in the High Court and pleads guilty to a charge of manslaughter. He is remanded on bail for sentence.
June 2010 – Tai is sentenced to two years and ten months imprisonment. HE RECEIVES A DISCOUNT FOR HIS GUILTY PLEA.

Isn’t that last bit just plain wrong. Tai has ALREADY received a discount by being allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter, rather than be tried for murder. Methinks there is a loophole in the sentencing legislation which Tai and his lawyer have just driven an 18-wheeler through.

Does anyone agree?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/06/justice-or-bad-joke-ii.html
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June 3, 2010 11:09am
PaulD

billyborker 10.35 “if the driver has a speedo at the top end of the tolerances” should never happen according to the standard you linked. The only tolerance is for a speedo to indicate a higher speed than the true speed.

“The speed indicated shall not be less than the true speed of the vehicle.”
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June 3, 2010 11:18am
Mr Elbow

http://www.davidgarrett.org.nz/?p=996

David Garrett agrees with the Greens! OMG!

Mind you it’s on the Gulf of Mexico spill… I doubt BP has many fans on either side of the spectrum right now.
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June 3, 2010 11:37am
gravedodger

Iv2 1109 hrs The stench from that is detectable here in the Sth Island. People wonder why the Law is so widely held in contempt.
Don’t always agree with McVicar’s lot but the system keeps giving them oxygen and heaps of fuel.
Not sure how the act of extreme violence as outlined in evidence could go anywhere near the reduced charge. We must remove drugs and alcohol and even anger issues as mitigating factors. That is worse than the use of provocation as a defense and we removed that.
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June 3, 2010 11:48am
MikeNZ

Inventory2 (4432) Says:
June 3rd, 2010 at 11:09 am

It does seem incongruous.

Maybe he was a Freemason (and got off lightly as the Judge was a fellow one) as I don’t think they’d let a Maori off lightly for kicking a man in the head and killing him (whilst he lay unable to defend himself on the floor) surely.
or
Maybe it was because he had a history of drink abuse and violence and they thought he was redeemable as he was young and it was his first offense.
or
Maybe the Judge was having a bad hair day.

But then you’d expect the Prosecution to appeal that wouldn’t you as being unfair to the deceased and his family (ohh and society, sorry forgot all of us).

Oh I see that the prosecution agreed to change the charge to manslaughter 5 months after initially charging him for murder, so they wouldn’t appeal, would they?
As I’m sure they talked that change of plea over with the victims family first.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/3769802/Anger-at-prison-sentence-of-principals-killer/

What’s the name of the prosecutor for those of us who might like to write to Simon Power.
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June 3, 2010 12:28pm
Put it away

How about disgust at welphare phraud, is that covered ?
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June 3, 2010 1:10pm
Fletch

Here it comes….

Obama has “declared” June 2010 to be “Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Pride Month”…

“I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2010 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon all Americans to observe this month by fighting prejudice and discrimination in their own lives and everywhere it exists.”

“Much work remains to fulfill our Nation’s promise of equal justice under law for LGBT Americans. That is why we must give committed gay couples the same rights and responsibilities afforded to any married couple, and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act. We must protect the rights of LGBT families by securing their adoption rights, ending employment discrimination against LGBT Americans, and ensuring Federal employees receive equal benefits”

HERE is the official release on the Whitehouse website.

The U.S is in trouble, I think… Deep trouble.
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June 3, 2010 1:22pm
MikeNZ

I’ve been waiting for this.
love the ending.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-eighth day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand ten, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth.

The year of our Lord I bet.
He must hate reading that as he signs stuff.
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June 3, 2010 1:33pm
angie stone

“Change of subject; does anyone else think that our sentencing laws are a bit off? ”

I totally agree with you inventory2. There is something very wrong with the NZ judiciary. It punishes the innocent and is lenient on the (obviously) guilty.

I propose an inquiry into some very dubious judgements and an overhaul of the system.

http://www.angel-charlene.com
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June 3, 2010 1:40pm
Manolo

The Messiah’s incompetence is becoming an embarrassment for all to see. His plummeting acceptance rating is telling.

The administration’s poor handling of the oil spill, his Arlington no-show on Memorial Day, the White House involvement in the alleged job offer to Sestak to favour Specter, his pursue of immigration reform, his weak stance on North Korea and Iran, the relentless push for socialised medicine, etc. All these while avoiding to tackle the job creation side of the economy.

The Jewish lobby must be lamenting its decision to support Obama in 2008 (e.g., 78% of Jews in New York voted for him), considering Obama’s tepid support of Israel.

Obama, as incompetent as Jimmy Carter, is destined to be a one-term President of the United States.
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June 3, 2010 1:47pm
angie stone

“The Messiah’s incompetence is becoming an embarrassment for all to see. His plummeting acceptance rating is telling.”

Manolo: Obama inherited a poisoned chalice. He hardly stood a chance anyway…so he could have done a few things better, but he was screwed before he even began.

http://www.angel-charlene.com
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June 3, 2010 1:49pm
mattyroo

Don’t you just love the logic of the morons in Greenpeace et al…..

“Unbelievably … the government actually thinks drilling for oil and digging up coal in the 21st century is a good idea,” Greenpeace New Zealand climate campaigner Simon Boxer said.

“If the president of the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world can’t stop an offshore oil spill then how is [NZ Prime Minister] John Key going to?” Boxer asked, referring to US President Barack Obama’s attempts to get BP to control the oil spill triggered by an explosion at Transocean’s Deepwater Horizon rig.”
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June 3, 2010 1:50pm
MikeNZ

Angle
My wife said that in answer to a comment I made that I thought McCain wasn’t doing enough to win!

He is still “changing” America though.
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June 3, 2010 1:52pm
philu

um..!..what exactly is ‘incorrect’ about that..?

..mattyroo..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 3, 2010 1:53pm
philu

“..his weak stance on North Korea ..”

let’s shine a bit of light on that one…eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/john-pilgerthe-back-art-of-%e2%80%98master-illusions%e2%80%99/

“…On 26 May, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton flew to Seoul and demanded that the “international community must respond” to “North Korea’s outrage”.

She flew on to Japan, where the new “threat” from North Korea conveniently eclipsed the briefly independent foreign policy of Japanese prime minister Yukio Hatoyama, elected last year with popular opposition to America’s permanent military occupation of Japan.

The “overwhelming evidence” is a torpedo propeller that “had been corroding at least for several months,” reported the Korea Times.

In April, the director of South Korea’s national intelligence, Won See-hoon, told a parliamentary committee that there was no evidence linking the sinking of the Cheonan to North Korea.

The defence minister agreed.

The head of South Korea’s military marine operations said …

… “No North Korean warships have been detected [in] the waters where the accident took place.”

The reference to “accident” suggests the warship struck a reef and broke in two.

To the American media … North Korea’s guilt is beyond doubt … just as North Vietnam’s guilt was beyond doubt …

… just as Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction … just as Israel can terrorise with impunity…”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 3, 2010 1:58pm
krazykiwi

Oh dear. Another nail in the alarmist’s CAGW coffin. NZ research shows Pacific islands not shrinking .

Nope. Most of them are getting bigger incl Tuvalu and Kiribati.

This is a peer reviewed study, published in a scientific journal, Global and Planetary Change back in 2007. More analysis here.
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June 3, 2010 2:40pm
krazykiwi

… and a good read here: The Death Spiral for Climate Alarmism Continues
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June 3, 2010 2:45pm
Johnboy

“1:13pm Two men accused of packing 14 stolen sheep into a car are facing a raft of charges that could land them up to 13 years in jail. ”

Who are these dumb journalists trying to fool when you get less than 3 years for kicking a man to death.

In the good old days we hanged the bastards for committing both these types of crimes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3772811/Sheep-rustlers-appear-in-court
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June 3, 2010 2:50pm
Nefarious

It’s disgraceful johnboy, how many southern hawkes bay families have lost a loved one at the hands of these men?
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June 3, 2010 2:57pm
mattyroo

Phil U, Please tell me how One Bad Ass Mistake America is expected to stop the BP oil well from flowing? As implied by the drongo Browse from Greenpeace.

You lefties will really love what is being talked about now to stop the leak – an undersea nuclear explosion!!

An oil leak and a nuclear bomb in one hit, there’ll be lefty fuck knuckles getting all in a lather over that.
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June 3, 2010 3:40pm
Nefarious

I understand that it has worked for the commie’s before mattyroo.

Surely queefe locke will be in support?
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June 3, 2010 4:00pm
philu

mattyroo..do you have comprehension-issues..?

or are you being willfully obtuse..?

the greenpeacr statment is pointing out the dangers here..for us..drilling in deep waters off our coast..

..how could you not read it as that..?

and if reading as that..w.t.f.are you on about..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 3, 2010 4:37pm
JiveKitty

@mattyroo: re: nuking it: I’ve been informed that high pressure at the wellhead will mean that detonating a nuke or other explosive could potentially cause a massive rupture in the seabed. If that occurred, the Gulf of Mexico and the huge oil reservoir underneath would be in direct, open contact, likely resulting in severe, and potentially planet-changing environmental catastrophe. But I can’t verify if that’s correct at present.
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June 3, 2010 7:12pm
Viking2

Minimum pay rise dangerous for small business: bosses

* Ewin Hannan, Industrial Editor
* From: The Australian
* June 03, 2010 2:24PM
* 12 comments

EMPLOYERS have attacked today’s decision to award a $26 a week wage rise to 1.45 million low-paid workers, describing the ruling as irresponsible and potentially damaging to the economy.

Fair Work Australia announced this morning that the minimum wage would rise to $569.90 from July 1, $1 a week shy of what the union movement had sought.

The tribunal’s full bench said there had been a significant decline in the real value of minimum wages since March 2008.

It said the increase “could be awarded without threatening business viability, employment growth or adding to inflation”.

But the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said while a case existed for a modest increase, the decision went “well beyond what was responsible or justified”.

The chamber estimated the increase would add $2.5 billion to the annual wages bill of the nation’s small businesses.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
Related Coverage

* WAGES: Read the tribunal’s decision

* Minimum wage lifted to $570 a week Daily Telegraph, 3 hours ago
* Fears pay rise will sink business The Australian, 17 hours ago
* Rudd backs pay rise for low-paid Perth Now, 18 May 2010
* Rudd sidesteps pay fray The Australian, 19 Mar 2010
* Employers want pay rise delayed Herald Sun, 19 Mar 2010

“It will be a dangerous setback to economic recovery in the small business sector,” the chamber’s chief executive Peter Anderson said. “The pay rise has no natural funding basis given the complete absence of productivity trade-offs.”

But Workplace Relations Minister Julia Gillard and the union movement welcomed the decision.

Ms Gillard said the outcome was economically responsible, fair, and would ease pressure on the family budgets of low-paid workers.

ACTU secretary Jeff Lawrence said the decision “breaks the drought” after last year’s minimum wage freeze.

“Today’s decision is a very good outcome for working Australians that goes a long way towards restoring the real value of wages for the most low-paid and vulnerable members of the workforce,” he said.

“It delivers the decent rise to minimum wages that working families need and is further indication that working Australians are much better off under the Labor Government’s new Fair Work laws.”

Opposition workplace relations spokesman Eric Abetz cautiously welcomed the decision.

“The Coalition welcomes the fact that Australian workers have received a pay rise,” he said.

“We note that the increase is at the higher end of expectations and trust that this won’t have a negative effect on jobs.”

Can we expect Key and co to copy the aussies?
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June 3, 2010 7:32pm
Steve

Phool,

Once we laughed at your drug induced comments and stupidity.
Nobody cares about you now.
They did not care today, they did not care yesterday and they will not care tomorrow.
They did not care last week and they will not care next week.
They did not care last year, they do not care this year and they will not care next year.

Have a breakdown over the long weekend, yeah Monday is a holiday
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June 3, 2010 7:41pm
nickb

More poaching by the sheepshaggers:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10649348
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June 3, 2010 8:04pm
Yvette

Johnboy – “Who are these dumb journalists trying to fool when you get less than 3 years for kicking a man to death.”

As the case you refer to is a first offence of this nature, the person is eligible for parole, so the sentence is in fact less than two years for kicking a man to death.
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June 3, 2010 8:08pm
Johnboy

“It’s disgraceful johnboy, how many southern hawkes bay families have lost a loved one at the hands of these men?”

You may scoff Nefarious but some of us are deeply attached to our sheep and such a loss would be too much to bear.

(I blink a tear from my eye here thinking of the possible kidnap and death of my beloved Flossie ——so some cheapskate can enjoy lamb chops at reduced prices——sob ).
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June 3, 2010 8:16pm
Yvette

I realise how sensitive you are Johnboy to offences of this nature and appreciate it would leave your emotions in rack ‘n’ ruin.
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June 3, 2010 8:21pm
Johnboy

Please don’t use the word ‘rack’ in relation to offences against sheep Yvette it makes me get all emotional again and Flossie completely loses the plot and runs amuck thinking of her poor lost lambs who suffered that horrible fate.
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June 3, 2010 8:27pm
adam2314

This should be renamed

The Daily Diatribe.

Debate does not come into it..
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June 3, 2010 10:20pm
JiveKitty

@Johnboy: As I’m not a commenter on WhaleOil’s weblog, I feel it necessary to say that if you are indeed the same johnboy that comments over there I much appreciated your comment on the most recent post, “My Humble Thanks”.

@adam2314: Perhaps you could offer some debate then?
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June 3, 2010 10:47pm
JiveKitty

@KrazyKiwi: I hope you see this: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/28/wheres-the-ice-for-my-drink/#more-20010 (Make sure to read the update).
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June 3, 2010 10:55pm
krazykiwi

@JiveKitty – Thanks. Had seen the original, but not the update.
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