General Debate 2 June 2010

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krazykiwi

Yes!
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June 2, 2010 9:51am
MikeNZ

yes yes
I was waiting for it whilst replying to emails.
damm!

Well done.
Hope the rest of the day is as successful 🙂
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June 2, 2010 9:55am
Nookin

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3765358/Shambolic-mall-group-ordered-to-pay-43-000

This, I seem to recall, is the gentleman who proudly announced that he was quite capable of working but would much prefer to remain on the unemployment benefit so that he could pursue public interest issues. Seems that he may not be particularly adept at it.
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June 2, 2010 9:55am
krazykiwi

@MikeNZ – same to you mate. Busy day for me so commenting will be light
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June 2, 2010 10:02am
eszett

“Israel wrong” has 338 comments this morning and counting. More than any “religious” and “climate change” post before, which are the usual suspects to drive the number of comments.

Isn’t it weird that a small obscure country in the Mediterranean can cause such a controversy in a small obscure country in the South Pacific?
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June 2, 2010 10:07am
MikeNZ

Eszett
It is the stumbling block of nations.

We are only obscure in the eyes of self important men.
We start the day before them all, we are forerunners, first in usually and found in every little place on earth.
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June 2, 2010 10:10am
Manolo

No surprise with the high number of comments. The Jewish State is hated (and defended) by many people around here.
However, the media is all on the side of the Palestinians. The same goes for most political parties.

Long live Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.
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June 2, 2010 10:10am
Murray

Seems we were already taking action against Jews before anything else sparked it.
https://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/new-zealand-undertakes-a-persecution-of-jews/

Weird isn’t it that a small obscure country in the bottom of the Pacific would allow one group to kill animals in a particular way because its commerically viable, but not a different group because when they do it its barabaric according to David Carter.

Who, just out of interest, ignored advice that he was violating the Bill of Rights Act.
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June 2, 2010 10:12am
Murray

Watch closely while I give shit whose sidfe the media are on Manolo, they were Helen Clarks cheer leading section way to long to claim any kind of cred any more.
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June 2, 2010 10:13am
Luc Hansen

Australia has slapped a 40% “super profits” tax on mining companies. The reason, I think, is that the major mining companies are overseas-owned, and repatriate their profits to their home countries, so a non-renewable resource is being extinguished largely for the benefit of other countries.

A comment I heard at work, from an hourly wage slave, was that he was opposed to it because it removed the level playing field! I resisted the obvious puns and I told him I couldn’t find it in me to feel sorry for mineral companies. I mean, should I send flowers to BP and a get well soon card?

So I support Australia on this, even as its voters are being subjected to a 38 million dollars ad blitz by the mining companies. Will they be swayed? How stupid are they? Time will tell.
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June 2, 2010 10:19am
MikeNZ

Manalo
here hear.
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June 2, 2010 10:20am
MikeNZ

Murray

I do wonder what Carter is up to as anyone could have told him halal meat is killed just as “brutishly”.

He is either incompetent or a dickhead to not ban both if he bans one.

The key thing is the prayers and the right to make them over other peoples food or belongings as if they are to be believed they impart power by those making them.
Now in a secular (haha) state like NZ I wouldn’t have thought that would have been allowed.
But call me biased 🙂
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June 2, 2010 10:25am
MikeNZ

Ever heard of Transocean LUC.

BP wish you had believe me!
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June 2, 2010 10:26am
grumpyoldhori

Will Obama let Israel swing in the UN, after all as a Muslim he does have a duty to help his fellow Muslims.
Just has to tell his UN bloke to call in saying he is crook and any vote against Israel will go through the security council.

Jeez, I bet the Israeli PM is sending word that he believes Obama to be a fine darkie.
Time for Israel to get a good kicking in the UN ?
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June 2, 2010 10:26am
Murray

Don’t mistake non-theocratic with being anti-religion Mike. Thats a leftie trick. We allow religious freedom. For selected relgions apparently.

The issue is also one of how the animal is killed, not what people present are doing at the time. Either way not exactely a consistant policy.
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June 2, 2010 10:28am
Put it away

Nookin – our very own “Political Busker” is incomprehensible? Say it ain’t so…
I pity the judge and court staff having to listen to his absurd puffed-up language that sounds like a ten-year-old’s idea of what Important Adults talk like.
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June 2, 2010 10:29am
Luc Hansen

Manolo, such a font of wisdom, said: Long live Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East

Here’s a link for you, Manolo.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/me.htm

Why don’t you check out the countries one by one and you may be pleasantly surprised. And in terms of Israel’s closest neighbours, Lebanon is a particularly vibrant democracy, and Palestine held what was widely regarded as the most clean elections ever in the region but the result was overturned by greater powers, plunging the ordinary bloke and blokess over there into a leadership abyss.
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June 2, 2010 10:32am
Luc Hansen

Mike, yes, Transocean and Halliburton. Did you see them play pass the buck in the hearings?

Obama was not impressed.
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June 2, 2010 10:36am
Murray

Obama is not impressive.

Can’t even find Arlington on Memorial Day.
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June 2, 2010 10:39am
davidp

Luc H>Australia has slapped a 40% “super profits” tax on mining companies. The reason, I think, is that the major mining companies are overseas-owned, and repatriate their profits to their home countries, so a non-renewable resource is being extinguished largely for the benefit of other countries.

Too confused, 1! Most of the mining companies are Australian owned. They’ve all had dramatic share price reductions. The people who have lost out are, on the whole, Australian superannuation schemes. The government based the case for the tax increase on a draft paper written by a student at a US university. The figures for tax paid in the paper didn’t agree with the figures collected by ATO. The paper has since been revised. A number of planned mining projects are now non viable and have been canceled. That has cost thousands of potential jobs. And the $38million advertising spend up is planned by the Rudd government, who promised before the last election that they wouldn’t spend government money on political advertising. Rudd promised to resign rather than resort to this sort of advertising. He hasn’t resigned yet.
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June 2, 2010 10:42am
Put it away

Luc – so what you’re saying is that a country with the lowest proportion of muslims in the area ( 56% ) is a “particularly vibrant democracy” ? How surprising…
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June 2, 2010 10:42am
MikeNZ

Grumpy
where have you been all your life?
They been having a kicking for ages, read http://www.eyeontheUN.org

Time for Israel to get a good kicking in the UN
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June 2, 2010 10:43am
MikeNZ

neither was I
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June 2, 2010 10:43am
MikeNZ

LUC
Yopu really are a pillock aren’t you?

Lebanon is a democracy?

A democracy is a place where you can say what you like and not get killed.
That is not Lebanon. it used to be a fantastic place, some even referred to it as a jewel.

Now Lebanon is a vassal state of Iran via it’s proxy Hezbullah.
come on mate use your brain.
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June 2, 2010 10:46am
davidp

Luc H>Lebanon is a particularly vibrant democracy

Too confused, 2! Half of Lebanon is a reasonably vibrant democracy. The other half is dominated by Hizbollah who force their opinions on their own Shiite people using guns, force their opinions on the rest of the country using guns, and unilaterally decide Lebanon’s foreign policy by launching rockets at a neighbouring country.
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June 2, 2010 10:46am
Murray

I think hori just likes the idea of beating up Jews.

Its not without precedent.
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June 2, 2010 10:46am
MikeNZ

Thanks for that davidp
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June 2, 2010 10:47am
Hagues

grumpyoldhori “Time for Israel to get a good kicking in the UN ?”

Yeah cause they’ve had such a fuckin sweet ride so far….
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June 2, 2010 10:47am
Murray

Maybe Luc things “democracy” means one RPG = one vote.
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June 2, 2010 10:47am
MikeNZ

Luc
what % of the middle East is Israel according to your map?
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June 2, 2010 10:49am
Falafulu Fisi

Not PC blog has a post on the supposedly aid organisation called Viva Palestina.

There’s no charity in Viva Palestina

Some readers and repeaters here need to dig a bit deeper.
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June 2, 2010 10:51am
Repton

Seems we were already taking action against Jews before anything else sparked it.
https://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/new-zealand-undertakes-a-persecution-of-jews/

Weird isn’t it that a small obscure country in the bottom of the Pacific would allow one group to kill animals in a particular way because its commerically viable, but not a different group because when they do it its barabaric according to David Carter.

Seems like the ruling is that the animal must be stunned before it is killed. I haven’t found anything about a specific exemption for halal, but browsing wikipedia shows that there is debate in the Muslim world about whether stunning is acceptable. So perhaps halal butchers here are able to stun the animals before slaughter.

[if halal butchers were given an exemption and kosher butchers were not, then that would certainly be odd]
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June 2, 2010 10:55am
Murray

Luc map doesn’t have Israel on it Mike.
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June 2, 2010 10:55am
Luc Hansen

Thanks Davidp for the correction on who is instituting the campaign, but further research shows it’s about more than mining companies.

And the I think you will find that only one of the big 5 is Australian owned, although BHP is jointly owned with England.
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June 2, 2010 10:55am
MikeNZ

Thanks for the reminder Falu
and for not PC blog reminding us that http://www.Frontpage.com network links http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/ is a great way to follow the relationships.
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June 2, 2010 10:55am
Luc Hansen

Davidp:

On Lebanon, they have full and free elections and Hizbollah win on their merits. If I were Lebanese, I would thank God for Hizbollah because they drove out Israel.

Also, there was no Lebanon until the imperial powers divided up Syria.
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June 2, 2010 11:01am
Luc Hansen

Repton, I can tell you halal meat is stunned first. Then they have their throats cut while facing Mecca.

Makes one wonder just who are the fanatics, eh?
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June 2, 2010 11:02am
RightNow

Murray, regarding the ban on kosher slaughtering, I understand this was because the animal is not allowed to be stunned first. Can you tell me if the animal is stunned for halal slaughtering? If not it seems to be a clear case of discrimination.

edit: never mind, Luc has provided the answer
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June 2, 2010 11:03am
Owen McShane

Anyone like to check out these claims on the NOTPC Blog?

There’s no charity in Viva Palestina
Repeaters have been reporting that New Zealand woman Nicola Enchmarch, being held in Israeli custody, works for what they is an “aid organisation” called Viva Palestina.

HERALD: “Enchmarch is a member of the British aid group Viva Palastina”
STUFF: “ … one of a number of people[working for] aid organisation Viva Palestina”
TV3: “…working for a British aid organisation – Viva Palestina”

If Viva Palestina is an aid organisation, then I’m the UN Secretary General.

Viva Palestina was founded by George Galloway. Remember him? The former British MP who received millions of dollars stolen from the United Nations Oil-For-Food Program, in exchange for his public denunciations of the UN sanctions against Iraq. Who once told Saddam Hussein, “I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.” Who recalls the day that the Soviet Union fell as the worst day of his lifeWho used to fly the Palestinian flag over the Dundee Town Hall. Who set up the Mariam Appeal as an anti-sanction “charity” whose stated purpose was “to provide medicines, medical equipment and medical assistance to the people of Iraq.” But a four-year inquiry by the House of Commons Select Committee on Standards and Privileges found massive amounts of incontrovertible evidence — including bank records and Iraqi government vouchers — that Galloway had used the money largely to enrich himself, suspending from the House of Commons for his egregious breach of ethics.

This is the founder of the front organisation for which Miss Etchmarch works—an organisation founded by Galloway holding up a bag of money and declaring: “This is not charity … This is politics.” One set up explicitly “as a challenge to international law”; one that has given given millions of dollars as well as non-cash aid directly to Hamas. “It’s not about charity … but in every way that we cut it, it is political.” That’s how Lamis Deek, a member of both Viva Palestina and Al-Awda, described it.

Viva Palestina does not hold formal charity status; rather (like other radical organisations) it uses the tax-exempt status of The Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization/Pastors for Peace (IFCO) as a conduit to funnel funds and materiel to Hamas.

Their last convoy, in January, saw Viva Palestina protestors erupt in violence at the Egyptian-Gaza border, leaving dozens injured and an Egyptian soldier dead.

Viva Palestina is not about charity … but in every way you cut it, it is political. And can be violent.

So let’s stop this nonsense about calling it a charity organisation, shall we.

[Thanks to David Horowitz’s Discover the Networks for the many links.]
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June 2, 2010 11:05am
RightNow

Luc, regarding the ‘super profits’ tax on mining in Oz, this will probably backfire. The mining industry was the principal reason Australia weathered the financial crisis so well, so to reward them Rudd decided to make it less worthwhile operating in Australia. Yes they make large profits, but they also generate thousands of jobs. Squeeze them hard and they will go elsewhere. Goodbye thousands of jobs.
On the plus side, it should make it easier for us to reach parity with Australia one day.
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June 2, 2010 11:09am
Murray

Silly Owen, you are using facts that can be checked. These things have no meaning to the MSM of New Zealand, they’re on a mission.
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June 2, 2010 11:15am
Muzza M

Hey Luc if Lebanon is so shit hot why are there so many Lebanese in Sydney, and why do they commit so much crime?
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June 2, 2010 11:28am
MT_Tinman

I’m buggered if I can figure out this “Kosher” method.

Halal killing slits the throat of a stunned animal, farm killing (of sheep) is usually done by slitting the throat and at the same time severing the spinal chord.

What do the Jews do different?
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June 2, 2010 11:32am
grumpyoldhori

Murray nope got no problem with Jews, I find the Jewish religion as stupid as all others.
But, unlike the extreme Israel right or wrong types I have no damn time for a country that gets one of it’s dual nationals to commit an act of treason against the country of his birth.

You Israeli supporters may give them a pass on that, I do not.
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June 2, 2010 11:51am
Murray

I have no idea what the hell you’re on about hori, but that just means its a day ending in a y.

MT, there is no difference, except we don’t export meat to Israel is vast ammounts.
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June 2, 2010 11:56am
Yvette

“Isaiah Tai, the man who killed Bay of Plenty regional councillor and school principal Hawea Vercoe, has today been jailed for two years and 10 months. – stuff.co.nz

This is two years and ten months for an ‘alcohol fuelled’ killing – “Tai had initially denied kicking Mr Vercoe in the head after punching him to the ground, he acknowledged he had done so after expert analysis of CCTV pictures of the attack.”
The report gives no indication of the actual time Tai will serve ‘with good behaviour’.

So the sentence is 34 months. Should the judge have said I sentence you to 22 month and 20 days or what.
Not only does it seem a light sentence, but how much time will the guy actually serve?
Sensible sentencing? Probably not, but how about starting with truthful sentencing? – sentencing where you don’t need a bloody calculator to work out what the actual sentence is!
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June 2, 2010 12:06pm
niggly

@ Yvette 12.06pm

Thanks for posting that. I really find it hard to understand why Isaiah Tai, whom I understood from trial media reports at the time, kicked Hawea Vercoe’s head so hard as if it were a football, was guilty of manslaughter rather than murder.

For goodness sake, what is wrong with the law, any deliberate damage to vital organs such as the head/brain should be treated as attempted ‘murder’, not manslaughter. Perhaps if the law/judges (politicians even) came down harder on such acts and severly punished people doing these acts, perhaps such people would be less inclined to do such awful things.

People that have had their heads kicked in, if not results in death, can have severe consequences for the rest of their lives (eg unable to concentrate, be on severe medication, unable to hold down a job etc).

For the victim these life long consequences are out of all proportion to the cause of the incident that sparked it. (Let alone the light sentance in this particular case).

For the authorities, health and rehabilition services (and taxpayer as well as supporting family members), these costs are huge when over the lifetime of the victim etc.

Something is really wrong with all this.
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June 2, 2010 12:36pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

The public service tail attempts to wag the NZ dog with tertiary institutions persisting in attempts to have the Government provide immigration entry for foreign tertiary students.

Robert Stevens, chief executive of Education New Zealand, presses the case in today’s Christchurch Press . Education New Zealand, as the organisation funded by the tertiary institutions, which are overwhelmingly taxpayer funded, is thus a sort of twiglet of the education branches of the public service.

Why should universities get this export advantage over other sectors? Buy a thousand tons of lamb, and we’ll give you entry for 100 families? Buy 2000 tonnes of kiwifruit and we will give you 200 work permits?

The tertiary institutions, helped by the interest-free student loan bonanza, created their own over-demand and funding problems. Think of the blowout in social “science” courses to include subjects like social work and kapihaka, the dilution of study of one of our core subjects, English, by the provising of writing courses, once the field of private correspondance schools. Popular, in demand, but useful to NZ?

Think of universities abetting professions (that were often seeking status upgrade) by abandoning the part-time courses of old available for applied disciplines like accountancy, law and engineering (or available at least for early years of their degree courses). Part-time studies allowed students to fund a far higher proportion of their education, and linked the demand for student places closely to job opportunities.

Think of subject areas such as feminist and film studies (are there any fulltime media film critics in NZ?). Think of the 10 or so tertiary institutions offering journalism training for our relatively tiny media industry. Think of the expansion of law studies to Waikato University when we already trained so many lawyers. Think of Massey, once and perhaps still an internationally renown agricultural university, branching into engineering when we had (and have) good engineering schools in Auckland and Christchurch.

Education NZ would no doubt argue that these trends are international, but that doesn’t make them right.

Overenthusiastically adopting the marketing model of meeting whatever current trendy courses are in demand among teenagers has led to bloated universities that now want to sell citizenship to help keep them expanding further.

We can’t blame the institutions for NZ now overvaluing university education when once we undervalued it. Don’t confuse training and upskillng, absolutely necessary in today’s economies, with peripheral culture and pseudo-culture induction. The former was to have been the field of polytechnics, but they have tried to become universities or have fragmented their fields of specialty sometimes at the cost of true industry training. For vocational training and upskilling we ought to look at Germany with, still, strong apprenticeship-type schemes, and emphasis on applied fields such as engineering etc. Not that we have the money to match the Germans, of course.

I fear that a foreign-student funded tertiary education system will see the economically valuable courses including subjects like engineering and computer studies and physical and agricultural sciences crowded with young foreigners. At the same time young Kiwis on student loans will pack fluffy courses like social work that would be cheaper run in polytechnics. Instead of good and varied language departments giving NZers skills in foreign languages essential for a tiny trading nation, we will likely see these resources diverted to help foreign students get their English up to scratch. I fear that long term, foreign students’ market demands will determine courses and departments.

No need to hasten to this bleak goal by throwing in open access to NZ citizenship.

Luckily, we have a Tertiary Education Minister with brains and guts — Steven Joyce. If Labour, the party of the teaching profession, was running the country, the tertiary industry would pretty much get its way.
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June 2, 2010 12:38pm
MikeNZ

10 yrs minimum would have been fair maybe.
He killed him and it’s doubtful whether he didn’t know what he was doing.

34 months for killing someone, now that sets a leve, does that means we’ll get lessor sentences for abh and gbh now?
They wonder why there is a call for 3 strikes laws?
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June 2, 2010 12:40pm
Yvette

I didn’t watch yesterday evening’s TVNZ salute to 50 years of Television in New Zealand – that it would be fronted by Jason Gunn was enough to warn me off it – and this morning the consensus of talk-back radio opinion would suggest the programme was an abysmal failure, and so much an affront to viewers that current modern television should pretend it never happened and start over again to endeavour to mark 50 years of news, entertainment and progress.

But yesterday evening’s programme’s utter failure [after 50 years] leads to another question –
how wrong will New Zealand television get it when it comes to covering the World Cup next year in 3D technology which is still in its infancy when the rest of the world may be waiting for it in that format as well as 2D, and has the Government factored the extra expense of this into what they are spending of our taxes in their seemingly avid support, so far, of this sport?

[again, stuff.co.nz: SPORT, PORN TO LURE FRENCH TO 3D TV]
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June 2, 2010 12:40pm
Yvette

MikeNZ – “34 months for killing someone …”
That was my question – is it a 34 month sentence or 22 months and ten days?

Somewhere in the following is a quirk which probably breaks the Bill of Rights or something –
The offender under three strikes is still eligible for parole in the first instance.
For a judge to announce a full sentence, he is making the assumption that the prisoner shows no remorse and/or will not behave in prison.
The standard should be for a sentence to be announced and then if circumstances change in jail that sentence should be reviewed and adjusted to a longer one.
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June 2, 2010 12:57pm
Luc Hansen

Muzza M at 11.28

Why are there so many Kiwis in Australia…or America, for that matter?
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June 2, 2010 12:58pm
Luc Hansen

RN

I don’t think the mining giants will kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
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June 2, 2010 1:00pm
krazykiwi

Why are there so many Kiwis in Australia…or America, for that matter?

Perhaps because after 30 years, mostly of state profligacy and socialist wealth re-distribution, we have continued to experience deterioration in our relative standard of living as shown by GDP, GNI and OECD rank.
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June 2, 2010 1:03pm
AlphaKiwi

@Muzza
Hey, there. I think a lot of those Lebanese left for Australia after they supported Israel during one of those Middle Eastern wars in the 60’s or 70’s. Once the war was over they were hated by other Lebanese. Apparently many of them were Christian Lebanese. This is just what I’ve heard and read a bit of in the past. Perhaps a Wiki search is in order.
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June 2, 2010 1:03pm
Nookin

Yvette

It was not a salute to 50 years of television. It was a stupid bloody quiz show aimed at those who record their IQs on the soles of their shoes. I was rather hoping for an interesting documentary on the early days of television. Instead, it was a monumental bore and total waste of time and money.
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June 2, 2010 1:03pm
philu

i was actually looking forward to that 50 yrs of television..

..it wd have had me at tv1 in the evenings for the first time since..ages…

i thought it wd be a serious look back at the cultural/societal-story that a halfway decent look-back cd provide..

..with much humor/horror to be had from those glimpses…

..(and i admit..hearing jason gunn was ‘compere-ing’ it..did cause me to don full-body protection before approaching..

..(i am allergic to him..i come out in bumps/wild-aggression…it’s ugly..!…)

..instead we got this vile/abysmal worst excuse for a tv show..perhaps ever…

..i lasted for about (a gape-mouthed) 30 mins…’till the sickening realisation this was not just a set-up…

..this was the show…

whoever had anything to do with it…

..should be driven from the building..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 2, 2010 1:09pm
starboard

“Isaiah Tai, the man who killed Bay of Plenty regional councillor and school principal Hawea Vercoe, has today been jailed for two years and 10 months

..what a fucken joke…the ( non ) justice system in this country is an absolute laugh a minute..2 years and 10 months for killing someone…no wonder the countries in the state its in. Pffft !
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June 2, 2010 1:21pm
RightNow

phlu, sorry you felt ripped off, maybe this will make you feel better: http://imgur.com/sTlTd
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June 2, 2010 1:47pm
RightNow

got to admit, our minister of tourism sure knows how to get us ‘out there’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/vasectomy-new-zealand-pm-conference
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June 2, 2010 1:52pm
Yvette

Starboard – “Isaiah Tai, the man who killed Bay of Plenty regional councillor and school principal Hawea Vercoe, has today been jailed for two years and 10 months
..what a fucken joke…the ( non ) justice system in this country is an absolute laugh a minute..2 years and 10 months for killing someone…no wonder the countries in the state its in. Pffft !

As I tried to emphasise above – ISAIAH TAI WAS SENTENCED TO 22 MONTHS, 10 DAYS [give or take a little]
EVEN MORE OF A FUCKING JOKE!
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June 2, 2010 2:20pm
Manolo

Reply to my email regarding the new tax, the ETS:

On behalf of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key, I acknowledge your email of 27 May 2010 concerning the Emissions Trading Scheme.
As the issue you have raised falls within the portfolio responsibilities of the Minister for Climate Change Issues, I have forwarded your email on to the office of Hon Dr Nick Smith for his consideration.

Regards,

|Private Secretary | Office of the Prime Minister
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June 2, 2010 2:39pm
MikeMan

@yvette-2.20pm

It is just the continuation of the decay into lawlessness that the soft NZ justice system is advocating.

We have a guy who last week was jailed for a longer term for the white collar crime of stealing $1.75M over 6 years, he got 3 years and 7 months.

Why has this drunken lout got 9 months less for punching and kicking someone to death?

Since when is $1.75M worth more than a life?
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June 2, 2010 3:05pm
billyborker

Long live Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.
Murray (5309) Says:

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 am
Seems we were already taking action against Jews before anything else sparked it.
https://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/new-zealand-undertakes-a-persecution-of-jews/

Fuck off, Murray, this is not persecution, it is simply saying that we don’t give a fuck about your mythology, if you want to live here, follow our rules. Don’t like our rules, then fuck off and join the rest of the jewz in the Israeli Reich.
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June 2, 2010 3:59pm
Yvette

MikeMan – ” @yvette-2.20pm
It is just the continuation of the decay into lawlessness that the soft NZ justice system is advocating.
We have a guy who last week was jailed for a longer term for the white collar crime of stealing $1.75M over 6 years, he got 3 years and 7 months …”

I’m not wanting to be boring [good opportunity for someone to just say ‘You are’] but what I am on about, to start with, is not the length of sentence but the way judges pronounce them. The guy you mention, MikeMan, “for the white collar crime of stealing $1.75M over 6 years, got 3 years and 7 months.”

No, he got 26 months and 10 days. or 2 years, 2 and a third months [say it whatever way you want]
If he fucks up in prison then he’ll do 3 years and 7 months.

I want judges to have to say what the actual minimum sentence is.
THEN, we can see how really fucking stupid most of these sentences are.

If a judge gives the sentence as that without parole he is giving it in terms of failure, it assumes the prisoner will act in a way warranting the full sentence. IT IS POLITICALLY INCORRECT, and anything that is politically incorrect means an attempt to cover someone’s bum, and in this case it is judges trying to make sentencing sound harsher than it is.
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June 2, 2010 4:24pm
dad4justice

“Fuck off, Murray”

Oh look Angus – Paul P is back, leftrightout one day then billyborker the next. What a farce.
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June 2, 2010 4:32pm
billyborker

Looks like its tossing out time at the Hammersley Arms – Pissed a bit early today, daddio.
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June 2, 2010 4:38pm
dad4justice

How come you can get around kiwiblogs demerit system Paul? Does NOT seem fair to me.
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June 2, 2010 4:40pm
krazykiwi

David – I agree with Dad on this. LRO/borker appears to be spitting on your hospitality. And venting his spleen with jewels such as this from 3:59 “Don’t like our rules, then fuck off and join the rest of the jewz in the Israeli Reich”.
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June 2, 2010 4:58pm
dad4justice

David – I am on the edge of an eight month ban. I doubt I will bother returning after that , however it’s not fair that fugley, leftrightout, billyborker, Paul P can make a mockery of the demerit system considering you listen to the likes of Stephen who alert you to me posting as Father Ted when while on another sin bin ban. Fairs bloody fair.
Kind regards
Peter Burns
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June 2, 2010 5:16pm
RRM

[Murray]:
Seems we were already taking action against Jews before anything else sparked it.
https://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/new-zealand-undertakes-a-persecution-of-jews/

Weird isn’t it that a small obscure country in the bottom of the Pacific would allow one group to kill animals in a particular way because its commerically viable, but not a different group because when they do it its barabaric according to David Carter.

Who, just out of interest, ignored advice that he was violating the Bill of Rights Act.
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FFS this isn’t about persecuting the perpetual victims, this is about a bit more humane treatment for the animals being killed. Muslims seem to have no problem with stunning to mitigate the pain the animal feels when the knife goes in, why can’t Jews get over it?

But I note that Jewish newspaper you linked to cannot see it as anything other than a direct, full-frontal and (surprise!) anti-semitic attack on Jews by the NZ gummint, I guess some people just like being angry?

And who’s the no.1 critic of Philu when he whores links to his seldom-read blog on here? Oh that’s right, you are! Hypocrite much?
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June 2, 2010 5:27pm
malcolm

I agree – stunning animals is both humane and practical. Once stunned, if the customer then wants to slit their throat while standing on one foot, hold their dick, facing mecca and singing “Love Me Tender”, then OK, if it makes them happy. That’s how halal is done in NZ. Slitting the throat before stunning is both inhumane and impractical for production-line slaughtering.

Anyone who doesn’t agree should take a visit to their local freezing works and see how practical it would be to slit the throat of a 500 kg cattle-beast without first stunning and/or captive bolting it. It’s a production line and you can’t wait while the animal thrashes around in a great panic, bruising themselves and generally taking a long time to die in a very painful way.

Anyway, three cheers for Fisher and Paykel who invented the two-compartment dishdrawer, thus ending the terrible discrimination against Jews by anti-semitic dishwasher makers who forced them to wash their dairy and meat dishes in the same dishwasher. Bastards.
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June 2, 2010 5:47pm
malcolm

Sorry, that should have been “Slitting the throat *without* stunning is both inhumane and impractical for production-line slaughtering.”
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June 2, 2010 6:03pm
side show bob

Poor old Al Bore, see his missus has given him the big A. Like the rest of us she probably got sick of his fucking lies.
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June 2, 2010 6:25pm
philu

“..who alert you to me posting as Father Ted when while on another sin bin ban..”

like..none of us knew it was you..eh..?

(hint:…if you write exactly the same spleen-filled way…while in alias-mode…

..people will guess…eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 2, 2010 6:26pm
Lance

Fuck me
I just saw the “Soviet Story” and the lefts butt monkey George Bernard Shaw’s views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4&feature=related

Sorry about the link whoring but bugger me….. I will never look at pro-Stalinist in same light again.
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June 2, 2010 6:27pm
philu

gordon mclaughlin said on nat-rad..

..that gore was one of the most boring vacant people he had ever met…

.(.that’s apart from prince andrew…)

and i’ve been disdainful of ‘pippa’..since her reactionary/hysterical campaign to get rock music classified as obscene…

..she is an idiot-archetype…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 2, 2010 6:30pm
Hurf Durf

Nice to see the ecosocialists get excited over the deaths of nine people and the accidental release of million of gallons of oil into the sea just to advance their political agenda.

Sickening and ghoulish.
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June 2, 2010 6:30pm
dad4justice

“hint:…if you write exactly the same spleen-filled way…while in alias-mode…”

Yes Paul P has the same slimy style while as fugley, leftrightout or billy borker. My point exactly, but I wouldn’t expect a vicious communist drug crazed armed robber like yourself to ever understand.
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June 2, 2010 6:33pm
krazykiwi

@SSB – My comments from another thread. “I see the great profit Algore has separated from his wife of 40 years, Tipper. First the Climate Scandal, now a Climax Scandal perhaps” .. and .. “His marriage reached the Tipping point long before the earth”. Humour is a bit ‘off’ as I applaud the institution of marriage, however Gore is a special recipient of my ire.
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June 2, 2010 6:35pm
krazykiwi

Aussie sex workers lobby government

Sex workers across Australia are lobbying state governments for increased protection under anti-discrimination laws to help end what they say is a wide-spread problem plaguing the profession. The Scarlet Alliance, a peak body representing the nation’s sex workers, is calling for amendments to existing legislation to cover the industry’s estimated 20,000 workers.

“Sex work is legal in all states and territories, sex workers are tax payers, and we believe we deserve the same rights as everyone else,” the alliance’s CEO Janelle Fawkes told AAP on Wednesday, which sex workers have designated International Whores Day.

“We are sisters, mothers, wives, brothers, sons. “We pay our taxes, we provide a service to the community and we deserve the same rights.” Ms Fawkes believes social attitudes have been slow to change, even though sex work is no longer illegal.

I wonder what ‘rights’ they feel they’re missing out on? Many occupations have differing levels of public faith or distrust. Consider parking wardens, finance company execs, used car sales people etc. If sex workers don’t feel like they’re top of the social pecking order then they can always change their occupation.
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June 2, 2010 6:58pm
side show bob

Very good Krazy, normally I could have a bit of sympathy for anyone in this situation but the man is as bent as you can get. How there are some that still believe in this guy is incredible. The man is without a doubt one of the biggest crooks on the face of the Earth. And why some of our politicians subscribe to his cons is criminal in it’s self. If our government goes ahead with the ETS then you surely have to seriously question their ethics.
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June 2, 2010 7:24pm
cha

I want one!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIJRsAuCHQ
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June 2, 2010 8:17pm
Hurf Durf

When, oh when, is TVNZ going to sack that bFM ponce Wallace Chapman? Anyone who falls so sublimely for Paliwood propaganda doesn’t deserve a media job.
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June 2, 2010 8:20pm
Steve

cha,

You want a seat that moves? What for? Most non-productives just email or txt. Why get off your arse and move?
Ohh mobile bar stool. Shit that is good just go for it. How good is it when pissed? Can you lose your license?

Actually I have seen this before, the technology is advanced although wear and tear on components that go 90deg?
It is the start of something new.
Gee I’m glad I have a zip in my pants, thanks NASA
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June 2, 2010 8:36pm
Viking2

So the desparate are still in charge.
Why are people promoted to jobs that they have no clue about?
How do people who have no understanding of people and what makes them tick promoted to those same jobs. Why do bullies think that force and fines and jails work?
Where is there any rational statistical research and analysis to support this rubbish behavoir?
Have a fun weekend watching your speedo.

No more excuses – 5km over limit is now too fast
By KIRAN CHUG – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 03/06/2010

Speeding motorists used to driving 10kmh over the maximum speed limit will not get away with it this weekend, as police trial a zero tolerance policy to cut road deaths.

Police say New Zealand’s 10 per cent tolerance zone is higher than other countries, and cutting it could help change the attitudes of motorists who claim lives.

From tomorrow, extra police will be out in force for Queen’s Birthday Weekend and, for the first time, motorists found to be more than 4kmh over the open road speed limit will be ticketed.

The Automobile Association predicts the move will anger motorists unaware of the change, or driving with inaccurate speedometers.However, as another life was lost on our roads yesterday, national road policing manager Superintendent Paula Rose said police needed new weapons to change driver behaviour. “There can be no excuses. We are killing our people—

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3769925/No-more-excuses-5km-over-limit-is-now-too-fast
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June 3, 2010 6:25am
Viking2

And then there are fucking idiots like this.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3770036/Mayor-nicked-at-142kmh-loses-licence

3 months loss of license for 100 demerits . The last ticket for 142 KPH. The justice must be his mate.
2 years loss of license and community service with the thugs would more appropriate.
and never mind about the bleeding heart bullshit about who he is ( no idea) and how he does this and that. He is a numb skull fuckwhit.
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