General Debate 29 June 2010

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Inventory2

Anyone else seen Jane Clifton’s column in this week’s Listener? It’s brilliant!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/06/outrageous-labour.html
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June 29, 2010 7:12pm
Johnboy

Bravo Yvette. Seule technicité.
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June 29, 2010 7:16pm
reid

“Make that ’17′ – brussel sprouts really are my most favourite vege – “Yum, bring ‘em on”.”

How do you have them, Kris? Seriously. I hate them but know they’re excellent for me.
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June 29, 2010 7:20pm
Johnboy

Food for thought:

Let’s put the pensioners in jail, and the criminals in a nursing home.

This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies,

and walks, they’d receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental

and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc. and they’d receive money instead of

paying it out.

They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be

helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.

Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be

ironed and returned to them.

A guard would check on them every 20 minutes, and bring their meals

and snacks to their cell. They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.

They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counseling, pool, and education,

simple clothing, shoes, slippers, P. J.’s and legal aid would be free, on request.

Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.

Each pensioner could have a PC. TV. Radio, and daily phone calls.

There would be a board of directors, to hear complaints, and the guards

would have a code of conduct, that would be strictly adhered to.

The “criminals” would get cold food, be left all alone, and unsupervised.

Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week.

Live in a tiny room, and pay $700.00 per week and have no hope

of ever getting out. Justice for all.
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June 29, 2010 7:26pm
Johnboy

What a handsome pair. Money well spent?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10651533
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June 29, 2010 7:32pm
gravedodger

Back to the England exit.
Osama Bin Laden has issued a tape and to prove he is alive and well, made reference to England’s departure from the 2010 world cup.
Rubbish said a CIA analyst that could have been made any time in the last 44 years.
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June 29, 2010 7:38pm
Hurf Durf

Urgh, Mad Cath.

Richard took the rohe of Te Atiawa and did in-depth research with history teachers. He found only 3 percent were teaching the Maori topics which are an option in the curriculum. His research supports the results of the New Zealand History Teachers Survey which are also disturbing. Although four new Treaty education topics were added to the curriculum in 2001 these were only being taught by 3 percent of teachers nationally.

You know why? Because it’s FUCKING BORING. No one gives a shit about your “education ideas,” which consists of guilting children into accepting massive guilt taxes and encouraging them to vote for crazy ladies who sing in parliament when they’re older. The Coalition in the UK has the right idea – they’ve drafted Niall Ferguson to craft a history curriculum that doesn’t exist of a disjointed mishmash of World War II, Slavery and Tudor Monarchy. If only we had a similar figure here. Oh well.
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June 29, 2010 7:41pm
Kris K

MikeNZ 12:19 pm,

http://www.nzcpr.com/guest199.htm

The above article Mike linked to is very interesting and worth a read:

NZCPR Guest Forum
Stuart Birks
Director of the Centre for Public Policy Evaluation, Massey University.
27 June 2010
Agenda denial and framing – the Child Support Act 1991

It in turn links to an article by Ian Wishart on the Feminist/Lesbian “sisterhood” which has operated within the Labour Party for the last 30+ years:

The Velvet Underground – Labour’s quiet revolutionaries

[Excerpt]

Despite that, Goodger argued that merely capturing people’s hearts and minds didn’t go far enough, that “the sisterhood” had to take control of the Government from within. “The deep roots the [Labour] party has in the working class, through the unions, makes it objectively an ally of the women’s liberation movement. Feminists working within the Labour Party can do much to further the cause of women’s liberation.” Again, John Tamihere’s account of what has happened to Labour eerily reflects that 1973 plan of action. “Oh yeah, there’s definitely a ‘machine’ all right. It’s formidable. It’s got apparatus and
activists in everything from the PPTA all the way through. It’s actually even built a counterweight to the Roundtable – Businesses for Social Responsibility. Its intelligence-gathering capabilities are second to none.” Having those activists in place, with the power to write laws and decide what children will be taught in schools, is a dream come true for what Opposition MPs are calling “the lesbian/feminist cabal” running the Labour Government.

It’s worth reading the whole article.
And it’s scary just how much of what was planned over thirty years ago has become a reality over the intervening years; much of it during Labour’s last three terms under Helen Clark – one of the original architects of many of these changes.
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June 29, 2010 7:44pm
reid

“He said Australia had a system were lighters were bolted to walls in smoking areas, meaning prisoners could smoke nowhere else.”

That’s a bloody good idea.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655318
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June 29, 2010 7:47pm
Yvette

Food for Thought 7:26
An excellent idea Johnboy, but you missed a major benefit for the swap – the elderly would then have the underfloor heating.
That would be so much better than cowering in the freezing cold, facing increases in fees as rest homes pass on the ETS increases that the power companies are passing on.
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June 29, 2010 7:48pm
Johnboy

Two generals and counting. David Petraeus is a very brave General indeed.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3866407/Stanley-McChrystal-to-retire-following-sacking

Note:
McChrystal was the Pentagon’s choice to run the war following a year of Taliban advances in 2008 and early 2009. He replaced General David McKiernan, also a four-star Army general, after McKiernan was fired for failing to apply the counterinsurgency strategy McChrystal represented. McKiernan retired from the Army almost immediately.

Never before in the field of human conflict has a spade beaten two four stars.
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June 29, 2010 7:53pm
Kris K

reid 7:20 pm,

“Make that ’17′ – brussel sprouts really are my most favourite vege – “Yum, bring ‘em on”.”

How do you have them, Kris? Seriously. I hate them but know they’re excellent for me.

Hi Reid, pretty much as per how Starboard outlined:

starboard 12:24 pm,

brussel sprouts…beautiful..but they must be young.. dont boil the shit outa ‘em til they turn yellow, mushy and go sour…steam them for 4-5 minutes only and serve with freshly ground black pepper and butter… oohhh yeah…come here sprouty…

I’m not a vegetarian by any means, but I could sit down to a nice pile of Brussel Sprouts, prepared as above, and be quite satisfied without adding anything else. Yummo – my mouths salivating at the thought!

[Apologies to Johnboy et al who obviously have non discerning palates regarding the delights of this delicacy]
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June 29, 2010 7:56pm
Johnboy

Aucun du besoin frisson trop dans le froid si vous caressez une RAM.
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June 29, 2010 7:57pm
reid

Motorists face rego shock with ACC rise

An issue with ACC is that it can’t or doesn’t offer no-claims bonuses because it’s a no-fault scheme. So people like me who by fortune, hasn’t ever had to use it, pay as much as people who have.

A second issue with ACC is that its graduated – levy based on income.

I personally don’t see the need to change either of those parameters, but surely a just quid-pro-quo is having my and everyone’s contribution tracked over our lifetimes and if it came to the end and I’d never used it, I get a big cheque at the end. Or if I’ve got heaps of credit as opposed to debit and something bad happens, that I get Rolls Royce treatment in priority and service.

That’s doable and just, isn’t it?
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June 29, 2010 8:01pm
Johnboy

Servez un bel agneau de ressort sur un lit de cuire des pousses à la vapeur et vous pouvez me convertir Kris.

( Meilleur invitez Yvette aussi bien). 🙂
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June 29, 2010 8:01pm
Yvette

Has National screwed up a little with the prison smoking ban issue.
John Tamihere, Celia Lashlie and others [whether authorities or not] are publicising the policy as a crackdown aimed at appealing to redneck middle New Zealand, rather than any health or safety matter.
But, one day in, and just over a year to go, “Threats from prisoners to guards are already being widely reported as a result of the looming smoking ban in prisons, the Corrections Association says.”
So will National end up backing down, or will they go head-on with the country’s prisoners. Who really runs the prisons?
With Government Ministers having now stated there is a second-hand smoke issue in prisons, what choice have ACC or OSH, when the next prison officer brings a complaint?
And was double bunking mentioned yesterday? It has been now.
[And, re the smoking ban, Corrections Association President Beven Hanlon told NZPA some prisoners were getting the wrong end of the stick and blaming Corrections officers for the ban, but the first he had heard of it happening was in the news media on Sunday. That’s a bloody good start]
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June 29, 2010 8:06pm
Redbaiter

Another prize fuck up by out of touch commie elitists-

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/7484727/shock-poll-as-labor-support-slides/

What idiots to think Woody Woodpecker would do it for them.
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June 29, 2010 8:10pm
Pete George

“Threats from prisoners to guards are already being widely reported as a result of the looming smoking ban in prisons, the Corrections Association says.”

That’s the last reason they should back down.
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June 29, 2010 8:10pm
Johnboy

“”but the first he had heard of it happening was in the news media on Sunday. That’s a bloody good start]”

You can almost see why the bloody teeches are pissed. Still they only have themselves to blame for being so bloody bolshie.
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June 29, 2010 8:11pm
Viking2

So Johnboy woke this morning to the realization that he’s been conned by the Greenies. Diddums. That he didn’t have the nuts to call those of his cabinet that would stop it proceeding (and there are more than a few), together to put it on hold will be his regret for a long time. Oh he won’t admit it but he will know its true.

Q+A with Johnkey.
How much is it going to cost us John. Oh just $3.00 a week per household. Well that’s the officials (read Noddy Smiths) advice.
But John my power rise is going to cost me more than that.
Ah well don’t worry cause I’m gonna tell the power companies not to rip you off. We don’t think they should.
Now Gerry says that we can’t stop them but we can talk to them.

Oh well that’s all right then but what about my petrol bill. That’s more than an extra $3 as well.Are you going to tell BP not to waste any more oil so it won’t cost me so much. They currently are pouring it all over the gulf because they can’t keep it in storage.

Again Gerry says not to worry. When we get drilling here it just won’t be allowed to happen. I mean we will have rules and regulations that say Petrobas is not allowed to have a malfunction. And anyway if they do the East Coast horis will use it for the beach fires cause Doc won’t let them burn the driftwood no more. kind of a win win for them. the hori’s I mean.

Well John what about the cow farmers. Its gonna cost them a bomb. Minimum $100 a week. I know Bonkers Bollard and all think that diary farmers are to much in debt now so how is taking more money from their pockets going to help them
John (Carter that is ), reckons they are doin OK and can afford it. Just means they won’t be able to have such a long winter holiday in Fiji this year. Just as well too cause we can’t go on having them supporting the big banana fella up there when we just can’t beat him down. Also with this Robin Brooke thing now we wouldn’t want our tit pullers to start behaving like that now, would we?

John, I hear that there are quite a few Auckland wideboys and lawyers (same thing to us), piling into forestry. MM reckon they will make a killing and send that blonde dousy what’s her name, Dippylock ( hey guys no relation to the other Dopey Locke ) from the sec com into a real tiz. (Tizhard to distinguish between the Dippy lock and the Dopey Locke, but we digress). Seems the new game will be to lease a patch, grow some
trees, collect the ETS cash, sell the carbon rights and then roll over leaving the taxpayer with the bill.
John, do you think the taxpayer should fund this new rort?

Nick tells me foresters aren’t like that.
Probably not, but lawyers are.
Well I’ll just have to get Chris (Findlayson that is ) to consult the treaty about this.
Cause if the trees are grown on the foreshore they(the hori’s), may have customary rights to the pine needles.
John, do you think we should get rid of the Maori seats?
John, John where are you going John?

He doesn’t know and unfortunately neither do we.
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June 29, 2010 8:13pm
Johnboy

Maybe if she got her partner to dye her blonde do you think Red?

Not that I have anything against Reds. 🙂
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June 29, 2010 8:14pm
Kris K

En effet Johnboy – quelque chose se passe avec un agneau rôti au printemps Nice – ma viande préférée absolue. Et je pourrais étendre à dîner pour trois.

[That middle bit didn’t translate to anything like what I wrote: “- anything goes with a nice roast spring lamb -“]

Speaking of which, it must be time for my dinner – Night all – enjoy your Brussels, Reid 😉
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June 29, 2010 8:16pm
Johnboy

Should I change my alias Viking2?
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June 29, 2010 8:16pm
Pete George

It’s a bit too early to judge on one Aussie poll, that must just about have been taken straight after it unfolded. There’s only one poll that’s going to count, they might hold off for that to try and let things settle in. Or it could go pearshaped – they will have known the risks.
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June 29, 2010 8:21pm
Yvette

• “Threats from prisoners to guards” That’s the last reason they should back down.
• You can almost see why the bloody teeches are pissed. Still they only have themselves to blame for being so bloody bolshie.

See? The prisoners are pissed, guards likewise. Banning smoking is prickly enough. General public is sick of prisoners being under-sentenced and over indulged. National wants to show they’ll sort those bloody prisoners out. All a volatile little hornets nest? Nes pas?
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June 29, 2010 8:23pm
Redbaiter

“Justice Minister Simon Power today outlined a range of measures to help victims of crime that come into force on July 1.They include the introduction of police safety orders for victims of domestic violence when police do not have enough grounds to make an immediate arrest. The on-the-spot orders will allow police to remove an alleged offender from a home for up to five days to “calm things down”, Mr Power said.”

What a fucking disgrace. Anyone out there still stupid enough to think our governments, National or Labour, are ever going to amount to anything but a bunch of anti-liberty tyrants??

This is a fucking disgrace and proof that National (and Power in particular) are just another pack of leftist barbarians with no respect for or knowledge of traditional law- namely that in civilized English countries where the rule of law applies, the accused is innocent until proven guilty, and no ignorant fucking copper should have the power to act as judge and jury.

Disgraceful. Power and National should both just fuck off and stop pretending they’re here to supply any kind of opposition to Labour. The Nats are just as bad, merely the other side of the same disgusting statist coin. Taking us down the same slippery slope into tyranny.
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June 29, 2010 8:27pm
Johnboy

I was drawing the parallel between springing it on the prison officers in your quote Yvette and doing the same to the teachers and saying the teachers deserve it to some extent because they are auto-lefties.

I think OUR government needs to be a bit more subtle and a tad less gung ho.
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June 29, 2010 8:27pm
Yvette

L’agneau de rôti avec Kris K pourrait être un lieu de rendez-vous sûr, il pas, Johnboy ?
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June 29, 2010 8:28pm
dad4justice

Simon Power allows police to run with false allegations when the domestic violence card is played. Where do falsely accused men go to after they are booted from their homes Mr Justice Minister Lawyer Type Creep?
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June 29, 2010 8:30pm
Johnboy

Kris ne serait pas partie au comportement non chrétien Yvette.
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June 29, 2010 8:32pm
dad4justice

Maybe I should ask the Feminazi Minister of police? Hi Crusher got a spare bed?
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June 29, 2010 8:34pm
reid

>May Wang company invests in Genesis Research

UBNZ Funds Management, the potential purchaser of the Crafar dairy farming empire, has taken a 19.9 per cent stake in Auckland-based biotechnology company Genesis Research and Development Corp.

Ever get the feeling someone thinks we’re such a fucking idiot we won’t notice?
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June 29, 2010 8:36pm
Tauhei Notts

The New Zealand Manufacturers & Exporters Association is holding a forum on 20th July.
It is titled;
“Consistant Culture of Excellence”
If anybody reading this is intending to attend the forum would you please remind them how to spell “consistent”.
“Excellence?”
It is the sort of thing one would expect in a school report written by a member of the N.Z.E.I or P.P.T.A.
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June 29, 2010 8:38pm
Johnboy

“Ever get the feeling someone thinks we’re a fucking idiot?”

Old Chinee remedy. Well known to curee overloaded Gweilo wallet syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
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June 29, 2010 8:46pm
Yvette

Sorry, Johnboy – I thought ‘bloody teeches’ was a slang word for ‘guards’ – my mistake.
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June 29, 2010 8:49pm
nickb

“Then there is something wrong with the constitution and it needs to be changed.”

AG, the US Constitution is the greatest document in the world, and the document on which the greatest and most prosperous nation in Western civilization is founded upon.

Coincidence? I think not.

Luckily, many American’s still believe in the above statement, despite the efforts of people likw you and Barack Obama to marginalise, misinterpret, and ignore it. A great day for freedom in ths US. Especially because it gets the commie brigade so wound up.
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June 29, 2010 8:58pm
MikeNZ

Redbaiter (10136) Says:
June 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

agree Red.
Safety order, tell that to all the women bashed after so called protection orders applied for.
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June 29, 2010 10:32pm
Hurf Durf

America is not NZ. Not our concern. They could as well all go and kill each other as far as I’m concerned.

In fact I’m really enjoying the BP oil spill at the moment — hope it carries on forever and totally fucks them up.

Just like I rejoice everytime one of their number gets their arms and legs blown off in a roadside bomb in Iraq, or stops a bullet in Afghanistan.

Really, anything stupid that the Americans do to hasten their own demise should be actively encouraged.

Just like if I saw Adolf Hitler about to commit suicide. I’d say ‘go ahead buster’!

The demise of the US, afterall, will be a good thing for the rest of the world.

Ladies and gentlemen, the left wing.
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