General Debate 21 June 2010

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Mike

The all whites are first in my book, Maybe it wasn’t pretty according to the pundits.
But I loved the one comment “Imagine if Italy played the All Blacks would they draw/, that’s what we did today”!

I’ve been hoping that they might draw all their matches, now there’s a chance they could beat Uruguay.
Well done lads.
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June 21, 2010 8:01am
Grant Michael McKenna

L’Italia continua a deludere; solo 1-1 con la Nuova Zelanda. Mamma mia!

I guess that this is the “Miracle of Mbombela”.
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June 21, 2010 8:03am
tvb

Luck smiles on sports teams who have the pleasure of the PM watching them. This contrasts with Bolger and Clark. I predict a long Premiership for Key and the total political destruction of the Labour Party.
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June 21, 2010 8:04am
Michaels

Snap Election time!!!!!
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June 21, 2010 8:13am
Fale Andrew Lesa

Words can not express how proud I am of the New Zealand team this morning, I will head into my 9am examination with my head held highly and a bright smile on my face.

😀

New Zealand, welcome to the world!

May you continue to represent the country proudly.
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June 21, 2010 8:19am
Inventory2

Maybe Shortland Street needs to get an Italian. They’re far more theatrical than any of the local cast!
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June 21, 2010 8:19am
Fale Andrew Lesa

If the referee was impartial, that controversial first-half penalty would not have gone ahead and New Zealand would have won.

Oh well, what can you do?
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June 21, 2010 8:27am
Pete George

There’s no guarantee NZ would have won if Italy weren’t given that penalty, the game would have been different from there on. Same if Smeltz was offsided for his goal.

Great result, it’s just a shame that draws are such a big thing in soccer/football. In the context of the competition NZ did the right thing hanging out for a draw, but in most sports a win is the goal.
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June 21, 2010 8:32am
Lee C

I thought it was historic – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2010/06/beautiful-game.html
Thnx Lee – MWT
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June 21, 2010 8:33am
Fale Andrew Lesa

Yeah, I guess you’re right Pete, but it certainly doesn’t justify the penalty in my opinion. It was such a pathetic call.
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June 21, 2010 8:37am
Pete George

I agree on the theatrics, FIFA keeps saying they will clamp down on Hollywoods but don’t seem able or willing to stop it. I guess it’s just part of the game, and it’s hard for the referees having to make snap judgements.
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June 21, 2010 8:40am
wreck1080

Nasty little story about the stolen car that crashed into a house killing a girl and injuring others.

How cowardly were their mates who ran off leaving their friend to die?

The step-father has piped up accusing the driver of attempted murder.

My question, is how many prior convictions does the driver have?
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June 21, 2010 8:43am
Brian Smaller

The amateur dramatics in soccer is one of the reasons why I can’t be bothered watching it. So many games seem to hinge on the acting ability of the players (and I mean that in a theatrical sense). Dives when people are not touched, people throwing themselves down clutching their face when a little finger brushed their chest. It is laughable.
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June 21, 2010 9:31am
Razork

Best quote of the night from Marty Devlin.
“The italian striker went down quicker than Paris Hilton”
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June 21, 2010 9:49am
aardvark

What do *you* think of the ETS?

It’s designed to help us appreciate the importance of carbon-neutral or zero-emission power as an alternative to fossil fuels right?

Well that’s the *theory* but it seems that some of our power companies are corrupting that goal by loading much of the ETS burden onto electricity users so that their gas prices aren’t made totally uncompetitive.

I blogged about it today — oh, and have your say in respect to whether we ought to even be involved in emissions trading in the poll.

Yeah, a blatant pitch but this is really important stuff!
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June 21, 2010 10:17am
Pauleastbay

The registration on a deisel light ute is now $583.00 inclusive gone up $180.00

$480 exclusive of this registration is now ACC.

Privatise it now FFS
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June 21, 2010 10:29am
Whafe

Worth a read I feel, received as am sure many here would have…

Hi there,

You are receiving this message because you are one of the thousands of people who signed the New Zealand Centre for Political Research petition requesting that the Prime Minister suspend National’s emissions trading scheme (ETS). You can read the letter that we sent him here>>>.

If the Prime Minister goes ahead with the next stage of the ETS on July 1st, when the transport, energy and industrial sectors are all scheduled to enter the scheme, the 5 percent increase in the price of power and 4 cents a litre rise in petrol and diesel prices will impact on the whole economy. This will force New Zealanders to pay more for food, heating, and all other goods and services. In addition, interest rates and the kiwi dollar will be driven up making it much more difficult for householders and exporters alike. To add insult to injury, National’s October 1st GST increase will be applied to ETS-inflated prices!

National promised that under their ETS New Zealand would not lead the world in climate change. Yet National’s scheme is by far the most comprehensive in the world as it is the only ETS that covers “all gases” and “all sectors”. That’s why it will be such a dreadful cost burden on our struggling economy. In comparison, the European Union, which runs the world’s only other comprehensive ETS, only targets the industrial and manufacturing sectors. Transport, households, small business, agriculture, construction and waste are all exempted. The only gas that is included in the EU scheme is carbon dioxide – all other greenhouse gases are excluded, including methane from livestock digestion which plays such a major part in National’s ETS.

In other words, in spite of their promises, National’s “all gases and all sectors” ETS will lead the world and any claim to the contrary is disingenuous.

None of New Zealand’s major trading partners have an ETS. Australia’s scheme is now suspended until 2013, Japan’s scheme has been delayed until 2012, the US scheme is stalled, and Canada’s scheme is still on the drawing board. Meanwhile China and India have no intention of imposing any scheme at all that would slow their economic progress. This means that New Zealand is the only country that intends to punish its vital business sector with significant costs that none of their competitors will incur.

In this week’s NZCPR newsletter “Time to Make a Stand” I outline how National has been misleading the public over their ETS and why it is such a bad deal for New Zealand (if you don’t already receive our FREE newsletters, you can register here>>>). To read the newsletter and the excellent Guest Commentary by Roger Kerr on why the ETS should be deferred (and take part in the NZCPR poll asking whether the country can afford an ETS), please click here>>>.

The reality is that the only way the ETS will be stopped is through people power. A march against the ETS is being held next week in Wellington (for details click here>>>) and people from all over the country are contacting the PM and his National Party MPs to send them an unequivocal message that this campaign against the ETS will not go away until the scheme is suspended. You can email MPs (see email addresses here>>>) or write to them c/o Parliament Buildings Wellington (no stamp required) but whatever you do please make sure your voice is heard in Wellington!

The NZCPR is running this ETS campaign because we unashamedly care deeply about the future of this country. We do not want New Zealand to become the sort of country where elderly people sit in freezing cold homes because they can’t afford heating, or where families with children can’t afford to buy milk. But unless the public speak up, that’s where we are heading. If you would like to help support this campaign, please click here>>>.

Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone you think shares your concerns, and thank you so much for all you are doing to stop this ETS madness.

Warmest regards,

Muriel

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New Zealand Centre for Political Research

http://www.nzcpr.com
muriel@nzcpr.com
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June 21, 2010 10:37am
Pete George

Warmest regards,

That’s funny.

We do not want New Zealand to become the sort of country where elderly people sit in freezing cold homes because they can’t afford heating, or where families with children can’t afford to buy milk.

It’s not just the warmists that try to sensationalise their case.
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June 21, 2010 10:44am
virtualmark

PaulEastBay … the thing that really gets on my goat with ACC is that they don’t offer a no claims bonus. I’ve had to pay out to ACC for over 20 years, but I’ve never claimed anything. Why shouldn’t that be recognised???
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June 21, 2010 10:44am
RRM

Read kiwiblog as though you’re at the world cup:

http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/kiwiblog.co.nz

(Or any other website: http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/ )
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June 21, 2010 10:50am
aardvark

virtualmark: it’s called a state-enforced monopoly. In other words, ACC don’t have to do *anything* that ACC doesn’t want to do.

Which (unfortunately) also includes covering all the injuries my wife sustained as a result of a nasty workplace accident.

I think they have a big sign sitting over every desk in ACC offices that says: “Decline”

Let’s see what the ACC bureaucracy’s credit card statements look like eh? 🙂
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June 21, 2010 10:55am
Murray

Thats not “sensationalisation” Pete, that is something that is already happening.
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June 21, 2010 10:58am
lastmanstanding

As regards the theatrics at the WC If FIFA were serious they would tell the refs to red card any player who tried it on. Would onlly take a few and this nonsense would stop. It would also lead to a better flowing game as these bozos wouldnt want to risk falling over and being sent off.
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June 21, 2010 11:42am
lastmanstanding

The other thing they could do if a player pulled a fast one in the box then the ref could award a penalty at the other end.

That would stop the nonsense.
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June 21, 2010 11:43am
malcolm

I saw the Hon Steven Joyce this morning, sitting in the front of a crown BMW 730d and chatting to the driver. Mostly they sit in the back, and although I see these cars every day the only other time I’ve seen an MP sitting in the front was Maurice Williamson.

Does it mean anything? Probably not, although I suspect Chris Carter sits in the back. With the glass panel raised and the toe massage machine on full.
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June 21, 2010 11:48am
Mike

http://sourcesandmethods.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-if-gulf-oil-spill-happened-in-my.html

Nice little mashup of the oil spill.
What does your home town look like?
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June 21, 2010 12:05pm
gravedodger

Agree wth the comments re diving. A video ref watching only for cheating, wired to a linsman who could then intervene in the quite serious time delay between awarding of a goal or a penalty and make the consequence of a handball, a “dive or a well disguised bit of thuggery a serious sanction ie reverse penalty to other end spot. How surprising was the red card incident in the Irish Rugby test especially the ‘second’ knee jolt with rugby players involving substantially greater discipline in their televised games.
The Irish Football family must have a bitter sweet taste after the apparent implosion of the cheatng frogs W C team
As with a cricket batsman being the best equipped to know if he “knicked it” the perpetrator of a “hand ball” is best placed to know the truth. Even if it is the “hand of god”
The refusal of FIFA to act is a blight on the beautiful game.
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June 21, 2010 12:07pm
Inventory2

gravedodger said

The refusal of FIFA to act is a blight on the beautiful game.

May I edit that gravedodger? FIFA is a blight on the beautiful game 🙂
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June 21, 2010 12:44pm
Whafe

The diving topic raises its head it seems every WC, but is anything done about? NO……

Just sort it once and for all…….

Have to say it was priceless seeing the looks on the faces of the Italian spectators…….. I guess it is called eating shit 🙂
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June 21, 2010 12:48pm
bearhunter

The diving/playacting thing is not a recent invention. The Italians have been doing it for years, even brutally violent players such as Claudio Gentile, who was ferocious in the tackle, but if you brushed against him, he fell like a poleaxed ox. And then there was Germany’s Jurgen Klinsmann, of whom Pommie “comedian” Frank Skinner memorably said: “I walked past the telly to get a beer and Klinsmann fell over in the penalty area.”

And Gravedodger, re the Irish fans: It’s not bittersweet at all. In fact, it’s one of the sweetest things I have ever watched.
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June 21, 2010 1:15pm
tvb

Sitting in the back of the Crown car makes sense if you have a guest or you are reading papers or if you want to snooze. Indeed it would be rude to leave a guest sitting in the back on their own and State Papers should NOT be read in the oresence of unauthorised persons such as the driver. But sitting in the front is a better view and I am sure some of the drivers are fun to talk to.
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June 21, 2010 1:38pm
krazykiwi

Firms paid to shut down wind farms when the wind is blowing

Britain’s biggest wind farm companies are to be paid not to produce electricity when the wind is blowing.

Energy firms will receive thousands of pounds a day per wind farm to turn off their turbines because the National Grid cannot use the power they are producing.

Critics of wind farms have seized on the revelation as evidence of the unsuitability of turbines to meet the UK’s energy needs in the future. They claim that the ‘intermittent’ nature of wind makes such farms unreliable providers of electricity.

The National Grid fears that on breezy summer nights, wind farms could actually cause a surge in the electricity supply which is not met by demand from businesses and households.

The electricity cannot be stored, so one solution – known as the ‘balancing mechanism’ – is to switch off or reduce the power supplied.

The system is already used to reduce supply from coal and gas-fired power stations when there is low demand. But shutting down wind farms is likely to cost the National grid – and ultimately consumers – far more. When wind turbines are turned off, owners are being deprived not only of money for the electricity they would have generated but also lucrative ‘green’ subsidies for that electricity.

I’m guessing that public money, in the form of ‘green’ subsidies, was thrown into development of these wind farms, and now public money is also being stumped up to pay to have them switched off.

Anyhow, I’d like to be paid to not produce electricity. How can I sign up?
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June 21, 2010 4:22pm
Luc Hansen

A message for Tony Hayward

after the yacht race
the sinner repents
and dons sackcloth and ashes
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June 21, 2010 5:20pm
krazykiwi

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June 21, 2010 5:44pm
philu

“…But sitting in the front is a better view and I am sure some of the drivers are fun to talk to…”

mmm..!..if one of those drivers was tragically killed in an accident….while driving..

..would key blow off an important trade deal…to fly back for their funeral..?

if not…why not..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2010 5:57pm
philu

3 news has a privatisation/selling assests poll..

85% oppose the sale of kiwibank..

(but here is the ‘killer’..)

80% don’t want any assets sold/privatised…

(and here is another ‘killer’..)

53% don’t believe keys’ promises not to privatise kiwibank…

whoar..!

..eh..?

(‘holy quickly-shelved-privatisation-plans..!….batman..!’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2010 6:20pm
dad4justice

Forget kiwibank,the hot word is phool, our local is to fund an airline so it can cash in on the huge numbers of migrating kiwis. They are going to call it Bro Airways.
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June 21, 2010 6:23pm
Kris K

krazykiwi 4:22 pm,

Firms paid to shut down wind farms when the wind is blowing

I’m guessing that public money, in the form of ‘green’ subsidies, was thrown into development of these wind farms, and now public money is also being stumped up to pay to have them switched off.

Anyhow, I’d like to be paid to not produce electricity. How can I sign up?

And I’m guessing you’d be right, Krazy.
What a bloody wrought this is all round!!! – and no doubt something similar will happen here as we gear up to make more ‘green’ energy.

I reckon if you, with your computing background, me, with my mechanical engineering, and Malcolm, with his electrical engineering background, teamed up in business to develop a wind farm, then we, too, could cash in on similar government subsidies to NOT generate power for the national grid.

Anyone else interested in stumping up some capital on a profit share return basis … ?

We could call our company Kiwiblog Blowhards Incorporated … anyone else got some other company name suggestions?
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June 21, 2010 6:59pm
krazykiwi

Phil you have failed to answer the same, simple question here, here and here. So I’ll ask it again:

Question: Why do you now claim you must be on the DPB to care for your son, when a few years ago he was younger yet you found time to study for a MA at Auckland Uni?
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June 21, 2010 6:59pm
krazykiwi

@Kris – lol for Kiwi Blowhards Inc 🙂
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June 21, 2010 7:04pm
philu

i guess farrars polling for them will be telling the same story,,,

wanna guarantee electoral-defeat…?

threat/promise to privatise/sell state assets…

(this’ll have some nattys sobbing into their pillows…heh..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2010 7:10pm
JiveKitty

@Pete George: “There’s no guarantee NZ would have won if Italy weren’t given that penalty, the game would have been different from there on. Same if Smeltz was offsided for his goal.”

True, but Smeltz’s offside, or not, was a marginal call that wasn’t clear for either the linesman or the referee – did the ball take a deflection or not? I still don’t know – while the penalty was a call that should never have been made. Furthermore, the penalty count was also extremely one-sided in favour of Italy, as the officials – while they made some bizarre calls which benefited both sides – indulged the Italian players’ love of diving to the detriment of both the game and the All Whites. That said, I feel the result was a relatively fair reflection of the game.
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June 21, 2010 7:12pm
Tauhei Notts

Inventory2 at 8.19.
Brilliant.
Spot on!
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June 21, 2010 7:13pm
Manolo

Q: Why do you now claim you must be on the DPB to care for your son, when a few years ago he was younger yet you found time to study for a MA at Auckland Uni?

A: Because I’m lazy, a loafer, an idler with no desire to work. I prefer to spend all my time baking and “aggregating” news in a website hardly visited and less commented upon. In other words, I’m satisfied to be a leech, a parasite on the back of hardworking New Zealanders.

Signed: The Bludger.
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June 21, 2010 7:14pm
reid

phil, there probably would be public angst about selling Kiwibank in particular. This is because many people including myself believe it actually does keep the others honest and while I’d actually support the sale on intellectual grounds, I realise most other supporters wouldn’t draw the same equations that I do. However, that’s about the only really sensitive state asset that I see. I reckon you could knock off both ACC and KiwiRail, no worries. The latter’s problematic due to lack of buyers, the former needs public long-term guarantees and a special tax-status, but you could argue and sell those two, I reckon. Now, what about these:

Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited
Animal Control Products Limited
AsureQuality Limited
Electricity Corporation of New Zealand Limited
Genesis Power Limited
Kordia Group Limited
Landcorp Farming Limited
Learning Media Limited
MCS Limited
Meridian Energy Limited
Meteorological Service of New Zealand Limited
Mighty River Power Limited
New Zealand Post Limited
Quotable Value Limited
Solid Energy New Zealand Limited
Terralink NZ Limited
Timberlands West Coast Limited
Transpower New Zealand Limited
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June 21, 2010 7:28pm
Pete George

There’s obviously a lot of general opposition to asset sales, that’s not a bad thing. It means a proper case should have to be made for each and every sale rather than doing it based simply on ideology.
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June 21, 2010 7:38pm
Redbaiter

“It means a proper case should have to be made”

Nope. What it means is a mainstream media over the last few decades so completely controlled by drooling leftists, it has been completely derelict in its duty to provide the public with both sides of every story.

For democracy to function, the voters have to be well informed. While NZers wallow in remarkable ignorance fostered by a completely politicised media, it won’t happen.
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June 21, 2010 7:42pm
reid

I agree Pete. You can’t take ideology out of it of course. ACT advocate things I don’t, like privatising water. OTOH, lefties advocate never anything, in fact, let’s buy it. I don’t think either extreme makes the best sense, on balance. By definition really, isn’t it.
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June 21, 2010 7:47pm
Pete George

Yep reid, can’t take the politics right out of it. But it’s going to be a tough selling job for the Nats, I hope they get smarter than their mining attempt.

Democracies generally function without well informed voters, a significant proportion of voters probably don’t care about being informed as long. They are happy in their ignorance as long as they have their beers and ciggies and they think that cheap burgers are a good feed.
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June 21, 2010 7:48pm
Redbaiter

“They are happy in their ignorance as long as they have their beers and ciggies and they think that cheap burgers are a good feed.”

Thanks for that admission. That is of course the way you patronising arrogant commies like it because the bottom line is that the less educated and less informed the public are, the better chance there is they will elect a left wing government.
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June 21, 2010 7:54pm
Pete George

That is of course the way you patronising arrogant commies like it

You keep proposing what amounts to the Pol Pot re-education method.

I’d prefer a better informed democracy, but the simple fact is that you can’t make people get interested, and you can’t make them take on board balanced impartial information.

And just abusing and lying about anyone you disagree with is about as stupid an approach you could take.
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June 21, 2010 8:03pm
reid

“I hope they get smarter than their mining attempt.”

Yes, so do I. Crikey, Gerry.

?

They are happy in their ignorance as long as they have their beers and ciggies and they think that cheap burgers are a good feed.

Right again Pete. And isn’t it sad.
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June 21, 2010 8:06pm
Yvette

Although much has been said against Russell Norman, his childish stance seems to have in the end born out a result that may be desirable.
The Chinese Vice President apparently didn’t see the ‘demonstration’ but officials saw fit to change some of his meeting venues but still accommodate the events, and a stand was made against Chinese policy in Tibet, such as our Prime Minister felt he should apologise, but without the Government giving offence to the guests.

Kackhanded as it was by Norman Russell, what better outcome could there have been?
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June 21, 2010 8:47pm
reid

Yvette I see it as he deliberately tried to sabotage a serious developing relationship with cheap unbecoming deliberate tactics specifically designed to provoke what happened.

It’s the cause, everything for the cause, and Wussell, don’t fucking do it again. Yes, we noticed. Another step like that and it’s the unpatriotic label for you, you Australian you.
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June 21, 2010 8:54pm
Viking2

Watch out for this exciting invention.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/index.html?hpt=C2
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June 21, 2010 9:10pm
mattyroo

The inimitable John Clark at it again….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVeoQ_G6ofw&feature=player_embedded#!

“A lot of people are very sentimental about the sea”.
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June 21, 2010 9:13pm
reid

One thing few have picked up on yet is the VP’s visit was the pre-cursor to the Premier’s visit later this year.

That’s why Wussell was pwotesting.

Thanks, Wussell.
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June 21, 2010 9:17pm
RKBee

The Chinese Premier is visiting later this year…

JK can do no wrong…. and Rissol won’t be in koo-ee of it.
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June 21, 2010 9:38pm
reid

“JK can do no wrong”

Sorry I should have said President HJ not Premier WJ. What have you been smoking, RK?

Well, HJ is the leader of the most powerful emerging nation in the world today having already emerged into World #2 economy having just surpassed Japan and it’s only 2010, RKB. I think that’s reasonably significant, myself.

How long do ya think Wussell can, by sheer willpower, keep out the cause arising spontaneously from his bosum?
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June 21, 2010 9:54pm
kaya

I put this on the “Police Chase” thread but it’s funny enough (and educational enough) to warrant repeating the post here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&NR=1

“How not to get your ass kicked by the police.”
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June 21, 2010 10:08pm
Viking2

Wasn’t the Nelson Noddy going to change the RMA.
Well apparently he has, and made it worse it seems. No wonder people are leaving again for Aussie.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3837156/Court-test-impossible-hurdle-for-power-firms
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June 22, 2010 7:22am
Viking2

Here’s why Govt. should not own business and why business in NZ finds it difficult to get ahead. After setting a date to remove the analogue Govt. is now backing off to protect a state owned company to the detriment of all Kiwi’s. Write that useless company off and sell it or shut it down. Not needed and just another trough for the Wayne browns of this world.
And oh yes like most things latey its all done according to the PM’s instinct.

Broadband future at risk, says Vodafone
By TOM PULLAR-STRECKER – BusinessDay.co.nz
Last updated 05:00 21/06/2010

Vodafone says a suggestion by Prime Minister John Key – now backed by Broadcasting Minister Jonathan Coleman – that analogue television broadcasts may not be turned off until 2015 could put the country’s broadband future at risk.

The Government has previously signalled it would turn off analogue broadcasts between 2013 and 2015, freeing the way for the release of prime radio spectrum estimated to be worth $100 million – the “digital dividend”.

The spectrum will be used to support the launch of next-generation 4G mobile networks.

Mr Key surprised the telecommunications industry last week when he said that while some ministers favoured 2013, his “instinct” was that the change would be made in 2015.

He made the comment in response to a report that state-owned transmission company Kordia feared an earlier switch-over could put its finances at risk.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/3832730/Broadband-future-at-risk-says-Vodafone
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