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Swiftman the infidel

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June 19, 2010 8:06am
Luc Hansen

If the president of the Unites States wanted the oil to stop flowing then the problem would have been fixed by now IMO.

Conspiracy theory fanatic Krazykiwi strikes again (admittedly late last night, probably after a few…)

But has he ever heard of King Canute?

And what’s Obama going to do? Dive down like Superman and block the well with kryptonite?
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June 19, 2010 8:13am
Banana Llama

Uranium might do the trick.
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June 19, 2010 8:32am
Inventory2

This is certainly turning into Obama’s Katrina. He can talk it up all he likes now, but he was slow off the mark when the first signs of crisis emerged.
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June 19, 2010 8:36am
Steve

Fri, 18 June, 2010 9:47:52 PM[NZCPR] Emissions Trading Scheme Petition
From: Muriel Newman Add to Contacts
To: nzcpr-special@castor.igrin.co.nz

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Hi there,

You are receiving this message because you are one of the thousands of people who signed the New Zealand Centre for Political Research petition requesting that the Prime Minister suspend National’s emissions trading scheme (ETS). You can read the letter that we sent him here>>>.

If the Prime Minister goes ahead with the next stage of the ETS on July 1st, when the transport, energy and industrial sectors are all scheduled to enter the scheme, the 5 percent increase in the price of power and 4 cents a litre rise in petrol and diesel prices will impact on the whole economy. This will force New Zealanders to pay more for food, heating, and all other goods and services. In addition, interest rates and the kiwi dollar will be driven up making it much more difficult for householders and exporters alike. To add insult to injury, National’s October 1st GST increase will be applied to ETS-inflated prices!

National promised that under their ETS New Zealand would not lead the world in climate change. Yet National’s scheme is by far the most comprehensive in the world as it is the only ETS that covers “all gases” and “all sectors”. That’s why it will be such a dreadful cost burden on our struggling economy. In comparison, the European Union, which runs the world’s only other comprehensive ETS, only targets the industrial and manufacturing sectors. Transport, households, small business, agriculture, construction and waste are all exempted. The only gas that is included in the EU scheme is carbon dioxide – all other greenhouse gases are excluded, including methane from livestock digestion which plays such a major part in National’s ETS.

In other words, in spite of their promises, National’s “all gases and all sectors” ETS will lead the world and any claim to the contrary is disingenuous.

None of New Zealand’s major trading partners have an ETS. Australia’s scheme is now suspended until 2013, Japan’s scheme has been delayed until 2012, the US scheme is stalled, and Canada’s scheme is still on the drawing board. Meanwhile China and India have no intention of imposing any scheme at all that would slow their economic progress. This means that New Zealand is the only country that intends to punish its vital business sector with significant costs that none of their competitors will incur.

In this week’s NZCPR newsletter “Time to Make a Stand” I outline how National has been misleading the public over their ETS and why it is such a bad deal for New Zealand (if you don’t already receive our FREE newsletters, you can register here>>>). To read the newsletter and the excellent Guest Commentary by Roger Kerr on why the ETS should be deferred (and take part in the NZCPR poll asking whether the country can afford an ETS), please click here>>>.

The reality is that the only way the ETS will be stopped is through people power. A march against the ETS is being held next week in Wellington (for details click here>>>) and people from all over the country are contacting the PM and his National Party MPs to send them an unequivocal message that this campaign against the ETS will not go away until the scheme is suspended. You can email MPs (see email addresses here>>>) or write to them c/o Parliament Buildings Wellington (no stamp required) but whatever you do please make sure your voice is heard in Wellington!

The NZCPR is running this ETS campaign because we unashamedly care deeply about the future of this country. We do not want New Zealand to become the sort of country where elderly people sit in freezing cold homes because they can’t afford heating, or where families with children can’t afford to buy milk. But unless the public speak up, that’s where we are heading. If you would like to help support this campaign, please click here>>>.

Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone you think shares your concerns, and thank you so much for all you are doing to stop this ETS madness.

Warmest regards,

Muriel

Dr Muriel Newman

New Zealand Centre for Political Research

http://www.nzcpr.com
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June 19, 2010 8:39am
Steve

Posted by RRM yesterday:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/joyce-casts-doubts-maori-4g-claim-124775

“Good.

I’m all for the right of Maori to be heard, but F*CK OFF, IF THESE FREQUENCY BANDWIDTHS ARE ANYONE’S “TAONGA” THEN THEY ARE MY WHITE-ARSE TAONGA EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS THEY ARE YOURS.

Why not claim ownership of the red frequencies of visible light also?

Odd moments like these I really suspect many Maoris want to be New Zealand’s royalty, sitting on their arses doing nothing and collecting their taxes / tithes / whatever.”

That is exactly how they want it to be, sitting on their arses and provided with an endless stream of money. However they appear to be overlooking the fact that if they take everything over then nobody will be able to do anything because they will gave stuffed it all up. Mugabe style of country management.

They are just like the blacks of Africa , bone idle, lying and cheating – if they put just some of that energy into work they would be very wealthy. The latest bit of information is that thru all of their maori holdings they now own 15% of NZ’s GDP which means they are now receiving what they deserve in terms of their pro rata share. Don’t hear that bandied about much do you.
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June 19, 2010 8:45am
Inventory2

Weren’t the English crap this morning?
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June 19, 2010 8:52am
Redbaiter

NICK SMITH 2005

“The madness of the Government’s new carbon tax is that New Zealanders will be the only people in the world paying it. It will drive up the costs of living and undermine the competitiveness of New Zealand business for negligible environmental gain. A further concern is its impact on inflation, interest rates and the exchange rate. It will add to the costs of fuel and power and these flow right through the economy to basics like food. This puts pressure on inflation, which in turn drives up interest rates and the kiwi dollar. The Government’s carbon tax is a classic example of the way the Government is making things tougher for the productive exporting sector. The worst aspect of the carbon tax is that it will not make one iota of difference to New Zealand’s emissions.”
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June 19, 2010 8:54am
jims_whare

Wanna hear the latest doom conspiracy forecast for the oil spill in the Gulf?

It goes like this;

1 The oil is blowing through the pipe with such force that the sea floor around the pipe is eroding.

2 When this erodes enough the pipe will blow through and the hole will rupture so wide it will be impossible to plug.

3 Once this hole gets wide the point will come when the pressure between the oil and seawater will equalize.

4 Once this occurs the seawater will begin filling the oil cavity displacing the oil which will vent to the surface.

5 The bottom of the oil cavity has a temp of around 400C which will superheat the seawater turning it to steam.

6 This will have a effect of sending a shock wave up through the seawater to the surface causing a massive tsunami.

7 As usual with these ideas the US government knows this and is ‘secretly’ planning a mass evacuation for the coming months.

Probably a load of crap but sounds a good yarn
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June 19, 2010 9:03am
starboard

Steve , they are as cunning as shit house rats..wanting 20% bandwidth “as of right”…watch JK fold and hand it over…all in the name of hangin on to power…” gota swallow coupla dead fish now and again “…eh Bill…
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June 19, 2010 9:04am
Nookin

Any progress on implementing the decision on the charming commenter?
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June 19, 2010 9:06am
Redbaiter

The Global Warming house of cards continues its long overdue collapse. Who now doesn’t know it as just another leftist scam? A Trojan horse full of power obsessed collectivists.

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Millard Public Schools will stop using a children’s book about global warming — but only until the district can obtain copies with a factual error corrected.

A review committee, convened after parents complained, concluded that author Laurie David’s book, “The Down-to-Earth Guide to Global Warming,” contained “a major factual error” in a graphic about rising temperatures and carbon dioxide levels.

Mark Feldhausen, associate superintendent for educational services, this week sent a letter to parents who complained, including the wife of U.S. Rep. Lee Terry of Nebraska, outlining the committee’s findings.

“Although the authors have pledged to correct the graph in subsequent editions, the committee recommends that this correction be made to all MPS-owned texts before using it with students in the future,” Feldhausen wrote.

Corrected versions will continue to be used in Millard’s sixth-grade language arts curriculum, he wrote.

However, the district will cease to use a companion video about global warming, narrated by actor Leonardo DiCaprio, he wrote.

The committee found the video “without merit” and recommended that it not be used.

Robyn Terry, the congressman’s wife, had described the video as a “political commercial.”

Lee and Robyn Terry released a statement saying they were pleased with the decision and “impressed” by the district’s handling of the case.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100617/NEWS01/100619733
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June 19, 2010 9:07am
Redbaiter

“Probably a load of crap but sounds a good yarn”

You need to look at this graphic.

While Obama postures, the drillers are getting on with what has to be done.

Each of these relief wells is costing about $US100 million. The need to intercept the original well, (probably 8 1/2″ inches in diameter when drilled), 5000 feet below the surface of the sea, and 18000 feet below the sea bed. An awesome example of modern drilling engineering.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Relief_Well_Diagram.665911.pdf
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June 19, 2010 9:13am
wat dabney

“And what’s Obama going to do? Dive down like Superman and block the well with kryptonite?

Well, major oil spills are a federal responsibility. Specifically, it is a legal duty of the EPA:

http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/02/epa-and-the-national-contingency-plan

So why is it wrong of us to expect the government to meet and fulfull its obligations?

By the way, that’s the same EPA which proposes to effectively seize control of American industry by regulating CO2 emissions.

It’s the same every time: the state creates these vast, expensive bureaucracies and arrogates enormous powers to them; and they are worse than useless. Remember FEMA’s response after hurricane Katrina.

But in fact it’s worse than that. Much worse.

It’s not that Obama’s administration has completely failed to meet its legal obligation concerning major oil spills, it is actively preventing an effective response.
The global specialists in this field are European, and Obama’s administration refuses to allow them to operate in American waters because of cynical for special interest politics; in this case the US maritime unions.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-america-refused-international-help-on-the-oil-spill-2010-6

So at the same time as this political operator is getting his photo opportunities, ripping up the rule of law, demonising BP and appearing on TV telling everyone that he’s doing everything he can, he is deliberately allowing the situation to become much worse than it need be.
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June 19, 2010 9:46am
Viking2

This oil well blow out in not a new thing. Just last year the Aussies had one off the west coast that went for some months. Their one was further out to sea and was capped in exactly the same way as this one will be. By horizontal drilling into the drill stem.
We have holes of Taranaki that have been drilled in the same way, I think at the Tui field.
That Obama could extort 20 billion from BP when he could properly deal with the Lehmans etc tells us a lot about America, especially when their own companies have desecrated many areas of the world including the Niger which is a Chevron disaster that they have abandoned leaving oil leaks all over the place.

What the Americans have failed to consider is what is going to happen the moment an American oil company has a blowout. in any other country. That company will be gutted by the locals and they can only blame Obama.
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June 19, 2010 9:49am
simpleton

Gulf OIl Spill
The oil spill would have have been monitored by USA govt agencies from day one. Despite BP claims that it was only a small leak, the evidience was on the oily surface and increasing, as shown by daily aerial photos.

BP said they would try to cap/bell etc but the only real way was by a relief well, months away in time.
One does not expect that the USA govt would be sucking the oil up thru a straw from the depths of the ocean floor. Surely they would be guided by their strengths and weaknesses. On the surface they have ships, Navy, Coast Guard and can hire or requistion what ever is required. Booms and whatever to be required to be made.

Plans a-z ,from around the rig for containment, and out to further levels, recognizing that it is a difficult place to make every thing to work to plan.should have been figured around the rig where the oil was coming up first, many stages in between,to finally defence of shores, so it is not too little, too late as the oil tide sweeps in.

The Government has not mobilized, like they do in war, like the rapid demand for resouces that were chased after for the Korean War. so now possibly looking at Plan Z to the theory of nuking, or HI-Explosives.

The USA has a Commander in Chief ! ! with virtually all the country’s resources, people, factories etc. behind it. Bailing out American finacial institutions was so easy. So he does not need any-one to act like Superman with Kyptonite. Get on and do your job !!, instead of pursuing side issues such as cap and trade, drilling moratiums.

1)Coast Guard and Navy to monitor, organise and do what they can.
2) Ships and boats to be requistioned and made ready and used.
3) Products to be ordered eg wool, booms, dispersants, and materials relevant, then manufactured and put together and delivered.

All the costs associated with it can be sorted out afterward with BP, as they have so much too loose any way. Sure BP may have made some stuff ups, but in the long term they obviously have a lot invested in the USA, and will want to make a return on it. So it is in their interests to work with the USA Govt. as in the long run they will know what side their bread is buttered on.

Money is in the system, stimulus money, unspent for the job boost schemes, waiting to be used prior to elections.

Unfortuanetly I do not think this will not be the only time that these materials will be required, though I certainly hope the industry and government learn a lot from this. .
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June 19, 2010 10:02am
Luc Hansen

For the Monckton fans, a blow by blow rebuttal:

http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/

It’s a slide show, nice and simple, but quite devastating for our dear lord.

And to “wat dabney”

wtf are you on about? Do you expect the EPA to have on hand the equipment and skills to cap a deep water well just on the off chance that the drillers will stuff it up?

It’s BP’s stuff up, they own, they are the ones best placed to fix it.

And for Viking2 to call the demand that BP stump up compensation “extortion” is just plain crazy. It was never a matter of whether compensation would be paid, but how much. I suggest the 20 billion is just a down payment.
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June 19, 2010 10:06am
Viking2

Well ask them to stump up for what they have done to other area’s in the world.
I see Haliburton is in this up to their necks along with the rig owners, all American.
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June 19, 2010 10:13am
Manolo

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3830198/Maori-wait-for-Joyces-report-on-spectrum

The inventiveness of the Maori elites knows no bounds. If only they could apply similar effort to get their people out of poverty, crime, and welfare-dependency.

To claim the spectrum is “taonga”, whatever that means, is sheer lunacy. Shame on these greedy people.
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June 19, 2010 10:17am
krazykiwi

Poor old Luc:

“And what’s Obama going to do? Dive down like Superman and block the well with kryptonite?”.

Seems others have answered that quite effectively.

Luc expects Obama and others to control the global climate for the benefit of humanities’ grandchildren… yet they should not be expected to control an oil leak for the benefit a few people today.

A truly astounding absence of logic. Such is post-modern thought.
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June 19, 2010 10:27am
Manolo

Obama could be crippled after the mid-term elections in November 2010. The Democrats are poised to lose a number of seats in the House and the Senate, and the Messiah will take the blame for it.

The prediction of the incompetent Kenyan becoming a one-term president, a new Jimmy Carter, will come to pass.
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June 19, 2010 10:33am
Redbaiter

“Do you expect the EPA to have on hand the equipment and skills to cap a deep water well just on the off chance that the drillers will stuff it up?”

That’s not the argument halfwit. The argument is that the oil should not ever have been permitted to reach the shores.

There was plenty of time to organise containment equipment. It was not done.

Obama wanted the crisis to ease the way into a Cap and Trade program. He needed video of dead sea birds and beaches coated in oil. He needed his mainstream media partners, the fake news services, to beam them into every home.

Obama’s mentor, the radical communist Saul Alinksy- “Never let a good crisis go to waste”
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June 19, 2010 10:35am
tom hunter

…….Dive down like Superman and block the well with kryptonite?

Considering that kryptonite was the substance that destroyed Superman’s powers such an action would likely fail.

A truly astounding absence of logic.

Indeed. That’s what’s most astounding, he can’t even apply logic in the imaginary world of comics. You can imagine how hard dealing with reality must be for Luc!
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June 19, 2010 10:46am
bereal

Superman could fix the oil leak easily, but not with kryptonite. Exposeure to kryptonite destroys Supermans super powers.
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June 19, 2010 10:48am
pollywog

Uhhh..can someone point me to the thread here on Te Heu Heu getting sick of butt covering for English over the PEDA ltd budget gift and slush money for some wishywashy bullshit job training scheme, so much that she’s now hanging his arse out to air in public ?

C’mon guys, y’all must have had an opinion on this somewhere here ?

I can’t believe there wasn’t/isn’t even a laughable attempt to defend the indefensible over this…Bludging brownies get budget benefits by Blinglish ?

Anybody ?
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June 19, 2010 10:55am
krazykiwi

Form the Victoria University is a centre of pinko-liberal bullsh!t department…

Today, while tidying up some stuff around the house I found a three of our kids papers – topic LAWS121 Jurisprudence. Paper 1 Q1 is on s59 repeal. Paper 2 Q1 is on Prostitution Law reform.

Then found a 1st year Stats paper.. and the subject area… out of all the possible domains of study of statistical analysis, was Acid Rain.

Indoctrination disguised as learning. No wonder NZ universities are slipping down the global rankings.
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June 19, 2010 10:57am
grumpyoldhori

Good to see a ranting right wing American politician apologising to BP for being shaken down for twenty billion.
Eleven dead drillers, funny how the anti Obama mob are so quick to forget them.
Reading through some of the posts it seems the ranting right on here believe BP has done nothing wrong at all.
Having a blow out preventer that worked might have made a bit of difference.
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June 19, 2010 11:05am
grumpyoldhori

pollywog bludging brownies ? come on have some balls use the term niggers, you know you want to.
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June 19, 2010 11:08am
mattyroo

Redbaiter said:

Each of these relief wells is costing about $US100 million. The need to intercept the original well, (probably 8 1/2″ inches in diameter when drilled), 5000 feet below the surface of the sea, and 18000 feet below the sea bed. An awesome example of modern drilling engineering.

The marvels of modern drilling are truly amazing RB, especially when you consider that the drill head is all controlled by a guy sitting in a room with a joystick and can turn the drill on a dime.

What does concern me though, is that if either of these relief wells fail to intersect the flowing well – which is quite possible, considering they are trying to intersect an 8″ dia. well from some distance away. The recent West Atlas explosion in Oz took 5 attempts to intersect! Although they were drilling from 3km away as the original rig was still on site and leaking at the surface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montara_oil_spill

I would be interested to know how far away horizontally the two new wells were spudded from the DWH well.
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June 19, 2010 11:10am
tom hunter

Given one aspect of the discussions that are arising from the Gulf Spill disaster – about intellectual-oratorical intelligence vs. practical intelligence – the following article from the historian Victor Davis Hanson is worth reading. Hanson is both a celebrated history professor and a guy who owns a raisin farm, he has occasionally written of the contrasts of these two worlds.

Obama campaigned on competence and cool. But his technocrats, whether Van Jones, Dr. Chu, Larry Summers, or Eric Holder, are at best academic misfits and at worse simply unfit for executive responsibilities. Harvard Law Review may be of value for suing BP later and demonizing it in the press, and community organizing may be valuable in shaking down BP to clean up, but had only the president run an ACE Hardware store, or at least worked the night shift at Starbucks, he could have had some experience in delegating authority and demanding results from employees, while keeping in mind the bigger picture of economic survival. Right now we are being governed by a GS something, who has no idea where money comes from, but lots of ideas how to blow it. This crisis brings that out.

The left is restless. The shelf life of forbearance is ending. Obama so far has benefited from the liberal desire for power that has trumped even its own green advocacy. (Bush would have been cannibalized for this on second one). But at some point, the pictures from the gulf of dying birds, of oily beaches, of sticky fish will sink polls and so get even to the Malibu crowd. And after they scream at Bush, BP, Palin, hoi polloi for driving Yukons (instead of Lexus and Volvo SUVs), they are only left with Obama to blame.

You should read the whole thing, but especially note the following:

The spill is a foreign relations metaphor and a dangerous one at that. Right now, Hamas, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, the Taliban, Turkey, Venezuela, and a host of others are testing us, three-quarters of them convinced (after 18 months of good evidence) that Obama either will not or cannot or knows not how to deter them all from making regional “adjustments.”

When they see his polls fall during the Gulf crisis, and his tepid reaction to it, they by extension ponder whether another Gaza flotilla, another sinking South Korean ship, another Taliban offensive, another Syrian-Hezbollah missile sale, another slap at Eastern Europe, or another border incursion into Colombia might win the same sort of speech that we saw last night.
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June 19, 2010 11:15am
pollywog

pollywog bludging brownies ? come on have some balls use the term niggers, you know you want to.

but that would mess up the alliteration 🙂

besides, I’m not down with us being niggers…bungas, coconuts, freshies or fobs i’m sweet with. Maybe niggaz in the ebonics of hiphop, but definitely not niggers. Gotta draw a line somewhere.

So yeah, who’s gonna blink first. Te Heu Heu or English ?

And i wonder if DPF is willing to ‘i-predict’ whether PEDA LTD gets the $$$ Blinglish promised them ?
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June 19, 2010 11:25am
tom hunter

GOH said….

pollywog bludging brownies ? come on have some balls use the term niggers, you know you want to.

Is it possible? Could Pollywog be a closet white bigot?

Predation in nature naturally requires prey. For the overclass, that is the underclass. Emerging from the shadows, having always been there, they’re called, in our instance here in New Zealand, polynesians (inclusive of maori). You may not have heard or seen us cos we pretty much keep to ourselves, dont tend to make a big fuss about shit and dont get much media coverage apart from when we do something bad, excel at sports or sing for our suppers as entertainers.

Oh no! Pollywog actually has much in common with GHO.

I think he was being sarcastic and trolling, and while I’m more than happy to see such mindless reactions from left-wingers, perhaps you should take them over to his blog. He needs the traffic and I suspect you two will enjoy your mutual knee-jerking dance.
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June 19, 2010 11:32am
Redbaiter

“I would be interested to know how far away horizontally the two new wells were spudded from the DWH well.”

Check out the Oil Drum. They have some very interesting discussions on the technicalities involved. (sometimes taken off track by speculating ignoramuses).

36″ casing to 5500 feet…!!!

You might be able to work out how far away they are from the original well from the diagram I referenced above.
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June 19, 2010 11:33am
grumpyoldhori

tom hunter amusing how you types never stop ranting, the neo con answer to the Iranians, invade them.
Have a crack at Turkey ? now that would be interesting as they are one bunch of Muslims who can put in a bayonet charge from hell.
The USA can stop Russia from selling arms to Iran for tranfer to the Hezbollah, how ?
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June 19, 2010 11:33am
mattyroo

“sometimes taken off track by speculating ignoramuses”

Does toad visit there too?
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June 19, 2010 11:38am
Redbaiter

“Eleven dead drillers, funny how the anti Obama mob are so quick to forget them.”

As if you would care you contemptible hypocritical fraud. You’ve done nothing for years but express an insane level of bigotry and hatred towards Americans.
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June 19, 2010 11:43am
pollywog

No.. i don’t need the traffic nor do i particularly want it. Thanx for the concern though Tom.

So how about that Pacific Econimic Development Agency LTD balls up by English and Te Heu Heu hoping the poor brown bludgers would scramble for the lollies dished out to PEDA and play good little, silent, humble, thankful peasants ?

…kinda backfired a bit hasn’t it ? What do you reckon the fallout is gonna be ?

Georgie gets relegated to the back bench, throws a big wetty and retires in a huff ? Or maybe Blinglish gets called out for lying and trying to cheat the taxpayer again and has to do an embarassing backtrack in not dishing out the dosh to his freshie mates in Auckland.

I cant figure out if they’re his mates or his rellies though ?

That member will know that I have my own connections with that community by blood relationship.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1006/S00289.htm
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June 19, 2010 11:50am
grumpyoldhori

Redbaiter yes Red dear boy, you are right, unlike you I care a bloody sight more for my countrymen than yanks, unlike you.
That is my countrymen born in NZ, not whining fucking immigrants
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June 19, 2010 11:53am
tom hunter

GHO – jumping from mindless knee-jerking to mindless extrapolation.

Perhaps if you could bend your deep thoughts away from your whole honky-vs-brown-rumble schtick and read something about other aspects of Turkey’s history you might have something to contribute here. You can start with Wikipedia and go to the footnoted articles.

Who knows, you might even realise that Turkey’s recent trending towards Iran is seen by Arab Muslims as less a wonderful realignment of Islam than a traditional threat from the Ottoman and Persian empires.

But that would break your standard, tub-thumping narrative, and what fun would that be for you (or us).
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June 19, 2010 11:53am
RightNow

Oh noes the penguins is dying!
There’s these ones in Antarctica: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2010/06/17/hot-times-in-antarctica

And there’s these ones in South Africa : http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293468

So some seem to be dying because of warming, and some because of a cold snap (can’t call it cooling, when it’s cold it’s just weather remember)

Is the West Antarctic Ice Shelf warming because of AGW then? Perhaps it has something to do with this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080120160720.htm
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June 19, 2010 11:55am
krazykiwi

Poor, poor penguins. Hey, how about a Polar Bear BBQ?!?

More Grim News for Polar Bears

A joint commission is recommending lifting the ban on harvesting polar bears for traditional and cultural purposes in Russia.

The U.S.-Russia Polar Bear Commission met this week in Anchorage to determine the potential for a coordinated and sustainable subsistence harvest of polar bears by Native peoples of Alaska and Chukotka in Russia. The commission determined that the harvest should be limited to up to 58 polar bears a year, with no more than 19 being females.

Hmmmm, I wonder if Polar Bear tastes like chicken?
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June 19, 2010 11:58am
pollywog

BURN THE TREES TO COOK THE WHALES !!!
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June 19, 2010 12:03pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

On the list of State asset sales – Christchurch and Dunedin airports?

The Government owns a quarter of Christchurch International Airport Ltd, and half of Dunedin International Airport Ltd, with the local city councils holding the balance.

A report in the Otago Daily Times today says Ngai Tahu would like to buy the Government's stakes, but says the Government has no immediate plans to sell. Ngai Tahu has first and second rights to buy Government assets in the South Island, and the newspaper says it already owns the Christchurch and Dunedin police station buildings. It will also be half-owner of the new building in Christchurch to house Christchurch City's vast staff under spendaholic mayor Sideshow Bob Parker.

You can bet the airport stakes will be high on the list of state assets that Bro. Key would flog off if voters let him.

The Otago Daily Times report

http://www.odt.co.nz/print/111424
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June 19, 2010 12:19pm
MT_Tinman

A report in the Otago Daily Times today says Ngai Tahu would like to buy the Government’s stakes, but says the Government has no immediate plans to sell.

end of story.
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June 19, 2010 12:24pm
grumpyoldhori

Pollywog if you are going to show some so called Polynesians on your blog at least show some who have a bit of discipline about what they eat and how much.
Far too many Islanders have no discipline with their diet.
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June 19, 2010 12:28pm
Redbaiter

“not whining fucking immigrants”

Refresh my memory will you? What were the names of those canoes, that according to Maori history, brought your ancestors to this country?
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June 19, 2010 12:33pm
grumpyoldhori

tom hunter I believe the whole Turkish saga with the Israelis to be a laugh a minute.
Now it will be interesting if Israel has another visit to Lebanon and the Turks decide to weigh in on the side of the Hezbollah.
The Israelies will find the Turks just a little more of a handful than some old Arab woman on the West Bank.
Do I care that the Turks bumped off a few people, nope, could not give a damn.
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June 19, 2010 12:36pm
Falafulu Fisi

Grump said…
Pollywog if you are going to show some so called Polynesians on your blog at least show some who have a bit of discipline about what they eat and how much.

I don’t discipline myself on what I eat. I eat the fattest food on earth, like briskets and lamb flaps (popular with us islanders). I mostly get wasted at the weekends and drink lots of alcohol. However, I have a very good physique, ie, triangular upper body (similar physique to that of Rodney So’oalo, but more muscular than him because I lift very heavy weights in the gym), I weigh 110 kg, and my height is about 1.86 m tall. Some people need to discipline in their diets and watch what they eat (if they don’t exercise), but those who are fit and exercise regularly, eating is open season. Eat everything and anything, because you won’t gain weight.
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June 19, 2010 12:38pm
grumpyoldhori

Fuck Redbaiter, you know every bit of so called wrong the Brits did to the yanks, but you know bugger all NZ history, now that is sad.
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June 19, 2010 12:40pm
reid

Superman could fix the oil leak easily, but not with kryptonite. Exposeure to kryptonite destroys Supermans super powers.

Exactly, bereal. I was waiting for someone to pick that up. Everybody else must be really thick, I mean everyone knows Superman’s deadly weakness. Duh.
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June 19, 2010 12:46pm
reid

Has anyone got any good analyses of exactly why the blow-out preventer failed? What they were doing just before the explosion?
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June 19, 2010 12:49pm
Redbaiter

“you know bugger all NZ history”

That so??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_migration_canoes
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June 19, 2010 12:51pm
grumpyoldhori

Falafulu Fisi come off it, brisket and mutton flaps are disgusting, no Polynesian is designed to cope with a high fat diet.
Polynesians were designed to live on fish,fruit, with some carbohydrates and with the occasional missionary as a treat.

Why the hell is it that so many Islanders are dying in their twenties and thirties from being morbidly obese ?
Hell, a good diet and exercise while using tobacco would be better for them, at least they would see sixty.
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June 19, 2010 12:51pm
reid

Grumpy what’s your take on the Foreshore issue?
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June 19, 2010 12:52pm
tom hunter

Do I care that the Turks bumped off a few people, nope, could not give a damn.

I dropped you a broad hint with the words Ottoman Empire – not Armenian Genocide – but feel free to continue not thinking about the former.

Actually, now that I consider the Armenian episode alongside your description that, ….the Turks bumped off a few people…. I can see that you’re not really thinking about any of this.
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June 19, 2010 12:53pm
Redbaiter

“Has anyone got any good analyses of exactly why the blow-out preventer failed? What they were doing just before the explosion?”

I’ve searched everywhere for this information. Its extremely difficult for me to believe that the BOP would not close. The gas influx (or pressurized oil) would have taken some time to travel from the bottom of the well, and all this time it would have been pushing the fluid in the well out, and this should have been seen or detected by monitoring equipment.

Even given the extreme pressure of the influx, it would have to have taken a fair while to reach the surface. Even then, the BOP should still have been capable of being shut.

I don’t know. I suspect that the gas (that could have come from an isolated burp) exploded before the main blow out, and there was nobody to operate the BOP when the full stream of gas and oil actually started flowing from deeper depths.
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June 19, 2010 12:59pm
pollywog

No shit Grumpy…Theres more of us Pasifikans that look like that than otherwise so yeah, it is what it is

suffice to say i’m not a fatty and neither are my kids, but then again I’m 50% palagi and 100% Samoan who eats everything except pork cos pigs are unclean 🙂
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June 19, 2010 1:05pm
pollywog

Redbaiter…apparently on some doco a couple weeks ago a ‘Deepwater horizon’ survivor said, an essential rubber sealing bush that closes around the pipe was damaged when someone withdrew 5 metres of it while it was locked off and consequently when they tried to stop the flow it just blew out.

but that was after Halliburton didn’t let the concrete stoppers in the drill shaft set properly when they flushed out the shaft for all the drilling gunk they put into equalize the pressure from the oil and gas below.

IIRC
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June 19, 2010 1:12pm
Banana Llama

Was it the Mike Williams interview by 60 minutes Pollywog?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0onXmlFgF8I
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June 19, 2010 1:19pm
pollywog

google this…

60 minutes documentary deep water horizon survivor
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June 19, 2010 1:21pm
Kris K

Manolo 10:17 am,

The inventiveness of the Maori elites knows no bounds. If only they could apply similar effort to get their people out of poverty, crime, and welfare-dependency.

To claim the spectrum is “taonga”, whatever that means, is sheer lunacy. Shame on these greedy people.

It had to happen!
If Maori are successful in gaining rights to ‘some’ of the spectrum as ‘taonga’, then where will it all end?
I mean they could, on the same basis, make a legitimate claim on the very air we breath!!!

Lunacy indeed, Manolo.
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June 19, 2010 1:22pm
pollywog

yeah Banana Llama, I think it was.

Basically it seems they were cutting corners, saving costs, compromising safety and rushing people to get the job done and maximise the bottom line.
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June 19, 2010 1:26pm
grumpyoldhori

Tom Hunter, you seem confused, the so called Ottoman Empire was still in force when the so called Armenian genocide took place in 1915.
Mustafa Kemal did not take power and send Turkey down the secular road until after the Turkish war of independence(1919-1922).
So Turkey as a stand alone country exists from that time.

Know who said these words ?
A sight such as this would make the gentle savage and gentle the savage.
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June 19, 2010 1:27pm
Redbaiter

“60 minutes documentary”

Sixty Minutes???

Hahhaha.. good joke.

Wouldn’t waste my time.
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June 19, 2010 1:33pm
reid

Kris, Stephen Joyce said on Friday’s Morning Report that the Waitangi Tribunal’s decision on that was not a legal basis for arguing that rights exist. Basically meaning, it’s not going to happen. That’s a good thing. The precedent set otherwise is that earth itself becomes a taonga and requires a tax, as does the moon, the stars because they bought our ancestors here, etc. Fuck that.
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June 19, 2010 1:33pm
Kris K

Interesting interview this morning on Saturday Morning with Kim Hill on RadioNZ.

Kim interviewed ex-Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali:
Islam Activist and author who was raised in northern Africa, escaped to the Netherlands, and helped found the AHA Foundation to protect and defend women in the West against militant Islam. (duration: 33′53″)

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday

Can listen via stream, or download as mp3 etc.

Quite interesting insights from an ex-Muslim into the Muslim world, and the current realignment back to fundamentalist Islam by the more moderate Muslim nations such as Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia.
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June 19, 2010 1:34pm
cha

3rd March 1924 GOH, or 28 RAJAB 1342.
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June 19, 2010 1:35pm
Kris K

Reid 1:33 pm,

Kris, Stephen Joyce said on Friday’s Morning Report that the Waitangi Tribunal’s decision on that was not a legal basis for arguing that rights exist. Basically meaning, it’s not going to happen.

Lets hope it doesn’t happen, Reid, because if it does the precedent set will be pretty far reaching. Like you said, everything is then up for grabs.

Of course, stanger things have happened …
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June 19, 2010 1:41pm
mattyroo

As I understand it, the DWH explosion was primarily caused by the mixing of seawater with the drilling mud. This lightened the mud allowing gas to come onboard with the returned mud and tailings. The gas then ignited in the washroom (where the tailings is removed from the mud), causing the subsequent explosion onboard.

At this time the there was a loss of control of the drilling mud, causing the blowout, however, the blowout should have been of course prevented, by the blowout-proventor-valve.

I also understand that this valve had been faulty previously and had been serviced – why it failed again, we may never know.

Through my contacts, I have tried to find out where/why/who-by the decision was made to mix seawater with the mud. Nobody seems to know, but I would assume this would be a decision taken by Halliburton as operator.

What I have never been able to understand is, why there was no Methanol injection used on the first containment dome. Whenever starting an oil well up we use MeOH to start the flow of oil, as the heavy-end hydrocarbons will freeze in the flowline, due to the JT effect of the expanding (de-pressurising) gas as it enters the flowline from the christmas tree etc.

However, I understand their original containment dome was a very simple structure with only one connection, which was the connection to return the oil to the surface. Of course, with the gas depressurising as it exited the ruined BOPV, the heavy-ends were going to crystallise and block up their dome exit port. Why did they not have another connection and pump MeOH down into the dome to make the oil flow up through the nominal exit?

There may have been reasons behind this that caused wiser heads than me to exclude doing this. Hence I would be interested to know.
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June 19, 2010 1:43pm
tom hunter

GHO

As usual your obsessions are causing you to miss the point. Do I really have to spell this out for you?

Okay. From what I can see of your thinking (and I use that word with reluctance) – your take is that Turkey is re-aligning with the rest of the Islamic world and you are rubbing your hands with childish glee at the prospect of Israel/The West taking on Turkey militarily.

What I am attempting to point out to you is that a large chunk of the Middle Eastern Islamic world – primarily the Arab nations – are not too happy at the prospect of a new Ottoman empire uniting with a new Persian empire. The reason they’re not too happy is that the latter has always regarded itself as superior and attempted to control or manipulate the Arabs in the best colonial traditions, while the former actually did.

The Arabs take a rather long-term and cultural view of such things: the fact that we now talk of stand-alone nations like Turkey and Iran means far less to them than that both countries lay at the core of the old Ottoman and Persian empires, and that both modern countries still hanker after their ancient imperial glories.

Are you getting this yet?
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June 19, 2010 1:43pm
krazykiwi

@Kris K – Ayaan Hirsi Ali spoke really well, using evidence and examples to support her comments. Kim Hill did her best to appear a ‘intellectual’ apoligist for Islam and trotted out all the left’s usual attacks. She looked pretty silly by the end.
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June 19, 2010 1:45pm
grumpyoldhori

Reid, the foreshore, what a bloody mess.
OK as a Maori I see things this way, we have people ranting that it would be wrong to have ownership in Maori hands, but at the same time politicians of their skin tone are stating it would be wrong to overturn fee simple titles that some Pakeha hold on the Foreshore.
One law for all ?

As a kiwi I would prefer this answer, all the Foreshore to be in the Crown’s hands and fee simple titles to be moved over to 999 year pepper corn leases of say a dollar a year plus rates of course, but ,the leaseholders would have no rights to stop people going on their beaches etc.

Will they do that, hell no, there are lawyer’s rice bowls to be kept full.
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June 19, 2010 1:51pm
reid

Thanks for the insights, matty and grumpy.
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June 19, 2010 1:51pm
mattyroo

Redbaiter said:

I’ve searched everywhere for this information. Its extremely difficult for me to believe that the BOP would not close. The gas influx (or pressurized oil) would have taken some time to travel from the bottom of the well, and all this time it would have been pushing the fluid in the well out, and this should have been seen or detected by monitoring equipment.

Even given the extreme pressure of the influx, it would have to have taken a fair while to reach the surface. Even then, the BOP should still have been capable of being shut.

Yes Red, but remember the explosion happened onboard first. When this happened the whole rig would have lost power/controls, and gone into ESD mode. At this point, all subsea equipment would go to its fail-safe mode, which would, in the case of the BOPV be closed.

I understand that they were getting elevated readings of gas in the mud and knew there was a problem, but whether a pre-set level had been reached to automatically activate the subsea shut-off valves, I don’t know.
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June 19, 2010 1:53pm
grumpyoldhori

Tom Hunter which Western countries would rush to aid Israel if the Turks decided to give them a slap in Lebanon ?
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June 19, 2010 2:02pm
krazykiwi

Some good analysis of MSM alarmism:

Scientists & Science Journalists – Please Grow Up
I’m fascinated by the way people think and talk about climate change – what words they choose, what they don’t say, and whether their arguments are intellectually rigorous or emotionally manipulative. In this regard, the manner in which Arctic ice melt is presented by activist scientists and activist journalists would make a great case study. Below are a few quick observations.

In December 2007, Mark Serreze, described as a “senior scientist at the U.S. government’s National Snow and Ice Data Center,” gave the Associated Press an emotionally-charged quote:

“Arctic ice is in its death spiral”

Yep, that’s what this man who has been trained in the cautious, tentative, rigorous approach to the world known as the scientific method told the media. The quote appeared in an article that began with this paragraph:

“An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point. One even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years“.

::
“The Arctic is often cited as the canary in the coal mine for climate warming. Now as a sign of climate warming, the canary has died. It is time to start getting out of the coal mines.”

… So why do so many scientists and science journalists – the very people who should know better – reject the dispassionate, sober perspective? Why do they remind us of emotionally volatile teenagers?
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June 19, 2010 2:03pm
Kris K

krazykiwi 1:45 pm,

@Kris K – Ayaan Hirsi Ali spoke really well, using evidence and examples to support her comments. Kim Hill did her best to appear a ‘intellectual’ apoligist for Islam and trotted out all the left’s usual attacks. She looked pretty silly by the end.

Yeah, I agree Krazy.
But one thing I like about Kim is that she doesn’t usually shut people down. And at least her questions allowed for Ayaan to set the record straight in response.
That Islam is reverting back to its more fundamentals certainly came across, though. I just hope people that needed to hear it were tuned in, AND had their ears on.
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June 19, 2010 2:06pm
nickb

krazykiwi, re your 10.57:

You have absolutely no idea how spot on you are unless you were to do it yourself. I spent one whole year paper learning solely about the Treaty of Waitangi, getting pumpled full of articles from such balanced writers as Jane Kelsey and Titewhai Harawira. And I sepnt a WEEK (yes one week) learning how to write a will.

I bloody hope profs teaches me some of the practical stuff, because my degree hasnt prepared me in any way for the real world.
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June 19, 2010 2:07pm
Redbaiter

The supposed damage to the annular is a red herring. There is no possible way that that rig would have gone for four weeks without a faulty annular being detected or repaired. Rubber could come from the annular without its performance being affected. There are also blind rams as a back up, or pipe and shear rams.

The whole mystery of this event is why the BOP apparently did not work or more likely, was not activated. There is no way gas could come out to the extent it did and not be detected long before it was sucked into the generator engines.

The BOP is tested regularly and certainly would have been tested many times within a four week period. There is no doubt that it would have been capable of holding pressure, because pressure testing is routine.

These guys are fully trained. They are highly skilled experts. Their own lives depend upon everything working as it should. I cannot believe they would have drilled on with a non functioning annular preventer.

Something happened that was extremely out of the ordinary, or that BOP would have been closed the very instant there was any flow from the well.
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June 19, 2010 2:09pm
reid

I just hope people that needed to hear it were tuned in, AND had their ears on.

So what’s your analysis as to causal factors and what do you think the west should be doing strategically that it’s not already, in order to deal with this?
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June 19, 2010 2:12pm
Redbaiter

BTW, an annular preventer will really only work if there are tubulars in the well. Its not really an open hole shutting device. The blind rams do this.
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June 19, 2010 2:13pm
krazykiwi

annular preventer

Sounds like something that may have be questioned on a parliamentary credit card
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June 19, 2010 2:30pm
Banana Llama

What do you make of this “Survivor Interview” Redbaiter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gybHosEjiI
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June 19, 2010 2:32pm
Kris K

cha 1:35 pm,

3rd March 1924 GOH, or 28 RAJAB 1342.

Scary, Cha.
Islam on the rise.

From your link:

Today, the Western powers who sense the growing call to remove these corrupt rulers and re-establish the Islamic Khilafah state are desperately trying to prevent this by occupying our lands and spreading malicious propaganda against the call for Khilafah. In February 2009 the Guardian newspaper revealed that the British government held the colonialist view that it is ‘extremism’ to believe in the re-establishment of the Khilafah. Only recently the retired UK army chief, Richard Dannat when asked about the occupation of Afghanistan, said; “there is an Islamist agenda which if we don’t oppose it and face it off in Southern Afghanistan, or Afghanistan, or in South Asia, then frankly that influence will grow. It could well grow, and this is an important point, we could see it moving from South Asia to the Middle East to North Africa, and to the high water mark of the Islamic Caliphate in the 14th, 15th century.”

Now remember, this is a Muslim site.
Notice how it is highlighted that the re-establishment of the Islamic Khilafah (global Islamic Caliphate under Sharia law) is NOT Muslim “extremism”, but is rather foundational to the teachings of the Koran and Hadith.

Despite all the propaganda and war in the Muslim lands, the reality is that the Ummah is awakening and realising the true message of Islam. After the massacres in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan, torture and detention in Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and Bagram, Muslims can see the destruction wrought in the name of ‘freedom and democracy’ and are rushing to work for the re-establishment of the Khilafah.

The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said “whosoever dies without a bayah (to a Khalifah) on his neck dies the death of jahiliyyah” [Muslim].
[cont]

That Islam is ‘awakening’ is clear to anyone with even one eye opened, and yet our liberal political leaders, and our liberal media are blind to this truth. Or worse, they are complicit in that they see as a by-product of the rising of Islam the putting down of Judeo-Christian values and heritage; this being ESSENTIAL for the rise of socialism and the implementation of socialist propaganda.

Sadly, the socialists have no idea that they, too, will fall to the ‘sword’ of Islam.
Whoever said, “The end ISN’T nigh”, was lying – it’s all but here.
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June 19, 2010 2:32pm
mattyroo

I just watched some of the 60 minutes stuff – typically 60 minutes…

Anyway, the most striking thing to me was that lifeboats and liferafts left whilst people were still onboard! As someone who has worked on a number of offshore vessels, this is kinda scary, considering the number of evac. drills we go through.

I appreciate the need to get away from an exploding oil rig, but to even launch the liferaft (only used once the lifeboats have been used) with people still onboard near the liferafts is not something that I could live with. There were some serious procedural fuck-ups in allowing this to happen.

I’m not sure about US regs, but I would assume they are the same as everywhere else, coming under SOLAS, each offshore facility must have a minimum of 2 lifeboats, and one lifeboat has to be capable of taking the entire crew. They also have an FRC (fast rescue craft), used for man-overboard situations, as well as a number of life rafts located strategically around the deck.
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June 19, 2010 2:47pm
reid

Like I said Kris:

“So what’s your analysis as to causal factors and what do you think the west should be doing strategically that it’s not already, in order to deal with this?”

You think there’s something there. I don’t. But it’s boring to just keep repeating the same angle. So let’s just say you’re right, there is something there. What then?
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June 19, 2010 2:47pm
reid

matty you’re painting a pretty scary picture. This could see jail time for some pretty important people but it probably won’t. The rig manager will be pilloried for this, though.
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June 19, 2010 2:54pm
Kris K

reid 2:12 pm,

So what’s your analysis as to causal factors and what do you think the west should be doing strategically that it’s not already, in order to deal with this?

I think the “causal factors” are the teachings contained in the Koran and Hadith. And that while Islam may have kept its ‘head down’ in the recent past, certainly since 911 Islam as a whole has generally become more aggressive and direct in expressing its apsirations.

And regarding what I think “the west should be doing strategically that it’s not already, in order to deal with this”, I believe, firstly, that the West needs to acknowledge, and take seriously, the stated aims and intents of Islam as espoused in the Koran, Hadith, and as expressed by current day Islamic religious and state leaders. Once you do that, and come to the realisation that Islam has OPENLY declared war on the non-Muslim world, then you confront it as you would any other agressive and hostile enemy.

Although, with Islam, you additionally need to realise that part of their strategy is “conquest by immigration”, and so you need to deal with this by restricting/eliminating Islamic immigration into Western countries, and you also need to ‘repatriate’ Islamic trouble makers who are already in the West.

I think parts of Europe and the UK are finally waking up to reality regarding uncontrolled Islamic immigration – the question is, are they too late?

There’s my solution, Reid – what’s yours?
Or do you not believe there is a problem?
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June 19, 2010 3:07pm
mattyroo

Banana, I listened to that interview – full version here: http://www.drillingahead.com/video/transocean-survivor-interview?commentId=3116006:Comment:99445&xg_source=msg_com_video

Some more intelligent direct experience, as opposed to the sensationalist 60 minutes stuff, of what was possibly the root cause – similar to what I posted above, a mix of seawater and mud not being able to contain the pressure.

I did like his opinion on what the sense was in shutting down all drilling in the GOM: “absolutely no sense whatsoever”.

But it wins the fool in the whitehouse votes tough, and that’s all that matters.
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June 19, 2010 3:08pm
reid

“Or do you not believe there is a problem?”

Oh there’s a problem Kris, and it’s growing. I fear your approach however will merely exacerbate the growth. This is because the rise of Islam is very analogous to the 50’s paranoia of the rise of Communism.

Throughout the Cold War there were all sorts of misinterpretations of intent by both sides, many of which were genuinely and reasonably on the evidence held at the time. As history has uncovered the actual facts behind missile counts etc, we have seen that many of those genuinely held beliefs proved to be false and what actually was happening was something else entirely. One repeats history only when one forgets it, and I don’t want the same issue to arise in this coming dynamic.

Your tactic of naming and shaming basically paints the entire Islamic world as a bunch of terrorists. That doesn’t seem to me to be a very wise or justifiable allegation for major western govts to seriously proclaim as official policy.

Your analysis of the issue being inherent in the Koran makes me ask, what about history. Has Islam always had groups that had these beliefs or is your observation that an OBL-like interpretation is a relatively recent phenomena? The oldest one I know of is the Muslim Brotherhood and that’s been around since the early 1950’s I think. So I go for recent phenomena, myself.

Secondly I observe that like everything else, the Koran is just a book, awaiting interpretation. It’s humans that read into it what they do, so I don’t think the Jihaddi attitude is inherent within anything except the person. And of those people who care enough about Jihad to sacrifice their own lives in its pursuit, how many are there as a ratio of the entire Islamic population? I think I’ve asked you that before but you never answered. Just a % figure would be good.
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June 19, 2010 3:24pm
Banana Llama

Thanks for the reply mattyroo.

Yes well the same people clamoring for a ban will be bawwing for cheaper oil in a few years time i suppose the Kenyan thinks we can just magic oil products into existence, kind of like a bailout.
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June 19, 2010 3:25pm
Redbaiter

“What do you make of this “Survivor Interview” Redbaiter?”

Good ol Mark Levin, the best broadcaster in the business.

Yeah well, it sounds like the BOP was definitely working, but when they opened it they were caught by surprise by a bubble of gas that had built up behind it while they were testing, and it shot out of the hole too quickly for them to react or close the BOP again, and then this gas bubble exploded, and that was that. I’d guess the emergency closing systems must have been wrecked by the blast. And then with the hydrostatic pressure gone off the well, the oil and gas entered at the bottom and with nothing to stop it, just kept flowing.

Still, even if the gas shot up the riser from 5000 feet, you’d still think you’d have minute or two to close in. (it only takes an instant to actuate the BOP and about 10 seconds for it to close)

Maybe not.

I dunno really. Its still all a bit murky.
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June 19, 2010 3:25pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Kiwi – are you aware what jurisprudence is? I suspect you do not. Smacking children and prostitution are two pretty perfect examples to use to teach about the philosophy of the law. Eejit.
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June 19, 2010 3:39pm
philu

i know kk..!..

what about a big wall…?

to go along with the one in yr head..?

and plse..!..stop trying to cloak yr irrational/barking-mad/fear-riddled christian-fascism..

..in some kind of ‘thought’…eh..?

they are the gibberings of a mad loon…

..nothing more…

(just another fucken christian fascist..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 19, 2010 3:40pm
reid

“(just another fucken christian fascist..)”

What’s the definition of a facist, phil? Very amusing too, BTW, thanks for that.
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June 19, 2010 3:45pm
mattyroo

Thinking on the exploding gas bubble, I wonder if it was frozen hydrocarbons that boiled off? When they boil off the volume increases exponentially, usually creating some pretty hairy moments for drilling crews.

Although, considering it was actually a completed well, but not yet flowing, this may not have been the case. I dunno either. I’m starting to sound like those speculating ignoramuses you mentioned earlier Red!

A few years ago some friends of mine were doing research drilling near Guam, and they were encountering frozen cores of methane, that were boiling off in the drill stem and blowing everything back out – not somewhere I would want to be when that happens.
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June 19, 2010 3:48pm
philu

here ya go..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/the-christian-fascists-are-growing-stronger/

that should answer any questions…

vile bigots..!

all of them..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 19, 2010 3:49pm
Banana Llama

Thanks for the input Redbaiter, fucked if know anything about oil rig drilling and to much disinformation floating around for me to get an idea.
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June 19, 2010 3:52pm
krazykiwi

Kiwi – are you aware what jurisprudence is? I suspect you do not. Smacking children and prostitution are two pretty perfect examples to use to teach about the philosophy of the law. Eejit.

@NOt1tocommentoften – Yes quite aware of what jurisprudence is, but thank you for asking.

Apparently the lecturer in question spent more time expounding the virtue of both pieces of legislation, rather than encouraging critical thought from the students.

My contention was, and remains that the topic was used as a platform to convey the lecturer’s own philosophical views. And it was a rather pinko-social-liberal philosophy presented to students who are uniformly keen to pass his course. That is indoctrination IMO.
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June 19, 2010 3:53pm
simpleton

Reid
History repeats as What/Why were the Americans dabbling “to the shores of Tripoli” in blockading and sending a navy force to Tripoli, refusing to agree to a roll over in their “1796 Treaty with Tripoli”( Why was there a treaty in the first place?) Even going to the extent of attacking with the object of replacing the “Governor” with an elder brother living in exile, who had promised to accede to all the wishes of the United States. Makes one think as history repeats, as with OBL, but do we understand it?
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