General Debate 17 June 2010

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Murray

Well somebody say something
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June 17, 2010 9:23am
Yvette

Je suis premier!

Manurewa Cosmopolitan Club –
It is interesting that this post ran out to about 228 comments, and maybe without getting too far, but for facts like some Sikh had been previously permitted entry but refused now, and that a large Hindu membership may be a factor in the Sikh determination to gain entry.
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June 17, 2010 9:23am
Yvette

ohh – merde
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June 17, 2010 9:23am
Redbaiter

The left often complain about how they are sometimes portrayed as monsters. Unfair they say. “We’re good guys with a different approach. That’s all. ”

Well just yesterday I read something that demonstrates so well why they are to many just evil contemptible stains upon the face of democracy and civilisation.

I’m no fan of Not PC. IMHO, the author has through dogmatism, bigotry and ignorance done much to damage the Libertarian brand in NZ, but yesterday there was a guest post by a Paul Van Dinther that was a refreshing change from the usual narcissistic rubbish. A classic post.

It deals with the insidious indoctrination of our children by the left. The perpetrators of this barbarity sit over at Red Alert and other places adopting a holier than thou stance, arrogantly deleting material that offends them, smugly standing in judgement. Posturing as an academic elite. When all the time they are collectively guilty of the despicable offence of molesting the minds of our children.

These are the people who squeal most loudly if a priest is found ot have sexually interfered with an alter boy, but in truth, their own position is not much different to that of the disgraced cleric. Standing before us as an example of purity while all the time committing unspeakable evil with our children.

I encourage all to read Mr. Van Dinther’s post and be horrified at what the left are doing. These people are intellectual cowards and lowlife.They cannot advance their cause in the confines of adult discourse. They cannot win a fair argument with mature people. So they feed their insidious evil to children, under the guise of “education”. They prey on the very young, the naive and innocent and gullible, and pervert their minds. Doing immense damage that often scars the victim’s political perspectives for their whole life.

Nothing is more indicative of the amoral desperate depravity of the power obsessed left than their attacks on the minds of our offspring. It has to be stopped, in the name of civility.

Excerpt-

“If you thought that socialist brainwashing only happens in American schools, think again. It happens right here today under our very noses. Avondale College, for example, where my 14-year-old son attends and is subjected to “Social Science” class—more accurately called “Socialist Studies.” If you want single-sided socialist indoctrination, this appears to be the place to come.”

The collective left stand condemned by their cowardly strategy of politically interfering with the minds of children. Please go to Not PC. Read the whole post and be outraged and horrified at what these despicable shameless hypocriticial barbarians are doing.

Socialist Studies at Avondale College

It has to be stopped. We absolutely must express our outrage in much stronger terms, until this insidious evil is stopped.
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June 17, 2010 9:25am
dime

did I hear this right?

The Auckland city council “saved” 120k by not taking a pay rise… so they want to spend the money on commissioning a book… a book about themselves! the councils 20 year history.

WHAT THE FUCK
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June 17, 2010 9:29am
Inventory2

Trevor Mallard raises a commendable defence of Chris Carter over at Red Alert, but rails against the homophobia of commenters here and at Gotcha. When I helpfully tried to point out his own experiences with homophobia (as recorded in Hansard, and which I am sure he now regrets), with what I regarded as a moderate and carefully-worded post my comment was censored. Fortunately, I had saved it, and it appears in the link which follows, together with the relevant Hansard.

Trevor Mallard may be able to control public discourse on Red Alert, but his apparent hypocrisy on this issue needs to be exposed or explained.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/06/over-at-red-alert.html
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June 17, 2010 9:30am
NOt1tocommentoften

Yvette – what worries me is the Manurewa Cossie club issue got over 220 comments, and the ecan post, involving the suspension of democracy in Canterbury, got a mangey 50. That is concerning.
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June 17, 2010 9:34am
Manolo

A gloomy future awaits our country when children are brainwashed by socialist teachers and indoctrinaded with a failed philosophy. The same children which will become clay in the hands of future despots.

If you add to that the population’s growing dependency on the state for welfare benefits, grants, and handouts, the picture is even bleaker.
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June 17, 2010 9:35am
Pauleastbay

Red
“We absolutely must express our outrage in much stronger terms”

How?
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June 17, 2010 9:37am
Yvette

to Not1tocomment often –

It is rather strange what interests some who comment here – like the deluge when someone asked “On which of the six days of His work did God bury all those misleading dinosaur bones?”
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June 17, 2010 9:37am
Manolo

IV2, with all due respect I believe you’re wasting your time with Mallard, who is an unrepentant thug, a notorious coward, and an accomplished liar.

The less we hear from the shameless South Hutt MP, the better.
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June 17, 2010 9:38am
philu

i reallly really tried..there..redbumbiter…

but this..:

“..“If you thought that socialist brainwashing only happens in American schools..”

kinda had me bursting out into laughter…

and led me to believe….the writer is laughable…

carry on..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:39am
Pete George

The dangers of jumping to conclusions and shooting from the lip, without any concern for the target.

$35,000 apology for Laws’ attack on dead boy’s parents

“And the difference between them and, oh, I don’t know, Chris Kahui and Macsyna King, is exactly what?” he asked listeners.

“It is time to say enough is enough. For God’s sake. Let the Blake Fowlies of this sick country be protected from the inanity and the inadequacy of their parents.”

Ironically “in the wake of his on-air tirade, Laws blamed the media and police for incorrectly reporting that Blake’s death had happened on a quad bike.”

Laws has had difficult times to go through with his family including attacks on it, so surely he should understand how this sort of thing can hurt. It’s hard to be fully sympathetic about the hassling he gets when he does similar from a much bigger pulpit.
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June 17, 2010 9:40am
Falafulu Fisi

Good science video/multimedia educational stuff for today is:

Deep exploits – the quest for dark matter

from the courtesy of Institute of Physics .
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June 17, 2010 9:43am
Inventory2

@ Manolo (9.38am) – I just find it interesting that Mallard seems to be unrepentant about a clear “gay” reference to a National MP in October last year, yet now tries to raise accusations of “homohobia” towards Chris Carter. I guess he’s another of the “do as I say, not as I do” persuasion.
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June 17, 2010 9:47am
philu

is anyone else even mildly concerned/engaged over the fact that john banks..and the rightwing cit-rats..(take a bow..bhatnagar..)

..have voted to give $120,000 of taxpayers money to that rightwing curmudgeon/historian michael bassett…

..to write a ‘history’ of the auckland city council..?

(fair do’s..!’..i hear you saying..’what wrong with a history…?’

and you could have a point…

but this ‘history’..is from 1989..until now..

..during which time..apart from three years…the cit-rats were in power..

(and hey..!..if you reckon auckland is fucked/a failure of imagination/a lack of any vision/a tearer-down of our heritage.

how is it not down to those cit-rats…?

they are the ones who have had the levers of power…during this period of decline/neglect..)

anyway..back to this $120,000 ‘history’…(of the cit-rats..?..paid for by you..?..)

..a hagiography-alert has been issued by civil-defence…

..eh..?

maybe when the rightwing slime-campaign against brown runs its’ course…

maybe then we could/should have a close look at the real ‘history’ of the cit-rats….

..and how they have dealt us this mess of a hand…

..eh..?

more of the same..?..d’yareckon..?

or have we given them long enough/enough chances..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:50am
philu

btw..bhatnagar..!

how is that five-million dollar upgrade of the view from parasite-drive you wangled coming along..?

expecting ‘cost-over-runs’..?

the cit-rats rule for the cit-rats..

it has always been thus…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:54am
Redbaiter

“How?”

Well one way I can think of is to not allow ourselves be intimidated into shying away from criticising the left in the strongest possible terms. Many people are fooled by the left’s campaign against “abuse” where they complain that discourse is uncivil. In reality this is a ploy to limit criticism of leftist political ideology by denying observers the right to classify it in real terms.

If I posted the above message on Red Alert it might stand for a millisecond before being deleted upon the grounds of abuse.

NZers are naturally reticent, but the scam of political correctness engineered by the left (and also pushed zealously in our school system) has made them verbal eunuchs.

You do not have the “right” to escape being offended. And especially when you are abusing the minds of children. NZers are too quiet. The left are committing evil all over the globe and getting away with it because people are broadly reluctant to confront them. Yet nothing is ever said about the gross offensiveness of this evil.

There are times that fall upon us and cause damage to our civilisation, and this is one of those times. The scam whereby the left are excused their evil on the basis that calling them what they really are is “offensive” to them. Offensive is a much abused word. A bit of colloquial language is nothing compared to what the left are perpetrating, always under cover and out of the spotlight.

We have to get a lot more angry, and express that anger freely. If you’ve got a child at Avondale College, write to them and tell them what you really think of their despicable and disgraceful actions. Don’t ever hold back when criticising the left. It only encourages them.
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June 17, 2010 9:55am
Leonidas

@ IV2
well to be fair I did use no less than 8 derogatory terms for homosexuals in my comment.
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June 17, 2010 9:56am
philu

the rest of auckland is about to swallow you lot…

..with barely a burp..

..eh..?

you are ‘history’…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:58am
bhudson

@Inventory2

I thought Mallard’s post was hilarious. (I wonder if Johnboy managed to see it before putting out his eyes.)

So much commentary around, both in media and on blog posts, that seems to show that the majority against Carter are railing against not only his excessiveness but also that he fails to understand that what did was wrong. It was wrong in fact and it was worng in the eyes of those who matter – the voting public.

And then Mallard goes and commits the same ‘crime’ in his defence of Carter….

He states that he too misread public perception and feeling around school closure plans and that was a both a mistake and therefore a source of learning for him personally. He then goes on to show he learned nothing and still believes himself to be right and unfallible as he points out that what he was trying to was provide better education for the nation’s children while the public thought that saving the jobs of a few principals was more important.

That sanctimonious hypocritical bollocks is what put him and his colleagues onto the back benches. Its what is keeping the Carter story and Ministerial spending in the news. Hopefully, it is what will keep them in opposition for years to come.

The hilarity was compounded by the sycophantic acceptance by the party faithul in their responses to him.
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June 17, 2010 9:59am
philu

mallards gay-move is purely him positioning/jostling/bridge-building for a leadership-tilt…

..at some time in the future..

he is trying to sanitise his (well-deserved) homophobe-rep …

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 10:01am
Pete George

Good to see some reasonably reasoned and reasonable posts RB.

There is a problem labeling most people as “the left” and then saying “the left” is evil. Offending people may have feel good factor for some but it usually hinders making any progress on the issue. It tends to entrench both sides in their opposite corners and it’s difficult to get anywhere from there, as the MCC have discovered.

How do you try and influence the curriculum? Are most people happy with it generally or are they angry?
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June 17, 2010 10:02am
RRM

[Pauleastbay]:

Red
“We absolutely must express our outrage in much stronger terms”

How?

More whinging and cursing on these threads ought to do it.
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June 17, 2010 10:07am
m@tt

“It has to be stopped. We absolutely must express our outrage in much stronger terms, until this insidious evil is stopped.”
In that single sentence you paint yourself in to a no win situation.
Seriously mate, you should stop worrying about imaginary evils and enjoy life a little more.
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June 17, 2010 10:09am
Redbaiter

“More whinging and cursing on these threads ought to do it.”

Yep, what is written on blogs has no effect at all. That’s why all over the globe, totalitarian leftists are working steadily and stealthily (as usual) to take control of the internet.
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June 17, 2010 10:13am
Pauleastbay

Question re: school cirriculums.

When have they ever been anything less than very liberal?

Bearing mind teachers come through teachers college where they are instructed by generally liberal tutors then into schools where thye are surrounded by immature minds who at the 3rd and 4th form level wont disagree or query too much.

I don’t worry about what the kids hear at school so much as long as their comprehension skills are up to it. They are only there for a 6 hours a day. The rest of the time they are ours.

A good balanced home view should show up deficencies in there classes . Any way teach them healthy humourous scepticisim at home . We sell the kids too short alot of the time, they don’t believe everything they hear.

I bring up my kids for better or worse not school teachers
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June 17, 2010 10:14am
Redbaiter

“imaginary evils”

Its not imaginary. Its real, and its causing substantial damage to our democracy and our civilisation.
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June 17, 2010 10:15am
Pete George

That’s why all over the globe, totalitarian leftists are working steadily and stealthily (as usual) to take control of the internet.

Only totalitarian leftists?
How does one take control of the Internet?

Are Actoids totalitarian leftists? There seems to be quite a bit of steady and stealthy work from that direction.
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June 17, 2010 10:34am
philu

“..Yep, what is written on blogs has no effect at all. ..”

why do you bother then..?

why don’t you just take up macrame..?

..and slip quietly into yr continued/ongoing dotage..

do not rail..!

just go quietly…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 10:42am
Inventory2

Philip Ure said

mallards gay-move is purely him positioning/jostling/bridge-building for a leadership-tilt…

..at some time in the future..

he is trying to sanitise his (well-deserved) homophobe-rep …

eh..?

Phil – I agree with you on the last bit (that’s got to be a first!) about Mallard trying to sanitise his reputation, but a leadership tilt? Gimme me a break!! Mallard has supped at the public trough since 1984. He’s hardly the future face of Labour. And the power base of the Labour caucus (including the NYC sub-branch) would never let it happen; Mallard is electoral poison.
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June 17, 2010 10:46am
Nookin

The provocation plea bites the dust yet again. The jury obviously had trouble accepting that a tetraplegic provoked his carer into cutting his throat with a knife.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3818127/Carer-found-guilty-of-murdering-tetraplegic
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June 17, 2010 10:47am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Yvette – what worries me is the Manurewa Cossie club issue got over 220 comments, and the ecan post, involving the suspension of democracy in Canterbury, got a mangey 50. That is concerning.

Oh the delicious unintended humour.

Welcome to the real world. Has anybody ever written such mind numbing baloney as ‘the suspension of democracy in Canterbury’?

Good God, what are you going to do? Get a whole new phalanx of socialist teachers to din into our kids the importance of ‘democracy in Canterbury’?
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June 17, 2010 10:48am
lastmanstanding

Poor ole Trev has admitted to me he just didnt get the Carter et al connection to governance. First he part deleted a post where I clearly pointed out this was the hanging offence not the other side shows. And then he published my seconf post where I again pointed out to him the governance aspect and the connection to behaviour morals and ethics.

Its so sad when even polictians cant/wont get to grips with good governance and that that is what they are elected to do.

Really sums up the parlace state of why we are in the shitter.
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June 17, 2010 10:52am
Redbaiter

“Good to see some reasonably reasoned and reasonable posts RB.”

Wow, branching out from repugnant and spineless sycophancy to totalitarian political ideals into self satire. Very good.
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June 17, 2010 10:53am
Banana Llama

If you are interested PG “How does one take control of the Internet?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
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June 17, 2010 11:00am
MikeMan

The article in the Herald this morning on the Tax Avoidance case should have some people worried about now.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10652317

Closing the trust loophole retroactively could cost some people a lot of money.
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June 17, 2010 11:00am
Chuck Bird

DPF, did an good interview with Susan Woods and Labour apologist, John Pagini. Unfortunately Pagini was economical with the truth in regard Phil Heatley’s expenses. He falsely claimed that Heatley put down wine as something else. Heatley, put 2 bottles of wine down as food and beverage instead of wine on its own. That is big difference than putting wine down as something totally different as Pagini inplied.

The spin he was trying to put out was that Brown and the Labour MPs made honest mistakes but Heatley was dishonest.

Why is that the left not only are the worse ones when it comes to troughing but also the most economical with the truth.
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June 17, 2010 11:26am
Falafulu Fisi

A beautiful classic song from the 1970s.

Can i take you home little girl (by The Drifters)

I’ve only just came across this group and I love their songs (those ones which are available on youtube). I’ll be looking to buying their CDs, cos they got beautiful voices & nice melody.
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June 17, 2010 11:30am
Nookin

MikeMann
Although I have not read the case, I have to confess that I do not have a lot of sympathy for people who may be caught by the decision. It has been generally accepted that any transaction that artificially alters the incidence of tax is liable to be challenged. My understanding is that in this case, the salary of an orthopaedic surgeon went from $650,000 per annum to $150,000 once he became employed by the trust and that the surplus was held as either trustee income or distributed to other beneficiaries. What possible commercial justification can there be for this other than tax avoidance? Any transaction between a trust and an individual must be at current market value. There can be some justification for a person employed by a trust to be paid less than may previously have been the case but my first thought is that this can happen only on the basis that the trust now carries the risk. In the case of a surgeon, there is minimal risk because there is no personal injury liability. If there is a consistent revenue stream, and has been for many years, it would be difficult for the trust to argue that it has assumed the risk of the vicissitudes of business. There may well however be some business advisers frantically telephoning their insurance brokers.
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June 17, 2010 11:31am
nickb

Great to see the Maroons smash the NSW thugs in Origin last night.

A dirtier sports team in history I am not aware of.
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June 17, 2010 12:24pm
Pete George

Are you aware of a dirtier sport in the history of teams?
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June 17, 2010 12:51pm
Rick Rowling

I’ve decided to run for the S-Auckland mayoralty with my imperfect but winnable slogan:

“I don’t come from Auckland and don’t really care that much about Aucklanders, but I’m not Len Brown, and I’m not John Banks”.

That should do it.
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June 17, 2010 12:52pm
Pete George

An act of God?

6-story Jesus statue in Ohio struck by lightning and burned to the ground
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June 17, 2010 12:58pm
nickb

Haha it is like that a bit sometimes PG.
However QLD were quite restrained last night in the face of disgustung thuggery from NSW.

O’Donnell deserves a lengthy spell on the sidlines
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June 17, 2010 12:58pm
mattyroo

I don’t agree with his politics, but Jon Stewart is brilliant here:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/ore-on-terror
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June 17, 2010 1:05pm
nickb

Over at Red Alert on the Christ Carter thread, Trevor Mallard is furiously censoring all those who question his sincerity over his hatred of homophobia.

The fact that he taunted a homosexual man with the phrase “tinkerbell” has been deleted as “off-topic”, oh dear….
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June 17, 2010 1:43pm
Mike

No idols Pete, No idols.
simple really.
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June 17, 2010 1:54pm
Mike

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/who_owns_the_land_anyway.html

In short, human history is the story of groups of people moving across vast distances, laying claim to territory, killing or subjugating the earlier inhabitants, intermingling with them, and moving on. The right by which any group lays claim to a piece of land is ultimately enforced by — force.

Whilst this refers in the main to Mexico and the US, the points about Europe and other parts of the Us bring up our “indigenous people” questions.
Worth reading.
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June 17, 2010 2:11pm
philu

“..The spin he was trying to put out was that Brown and the Labour MPs made honest mistakes but Heatley was dishonest. .”

um..what is ‘spin’ about that…?

“..Heatley was dishonest..”

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 2:19pm
Mike

http://bostonherald.com/news/international/europe/view/20100616pork_fest_chopped_over_islamic_fears/srvc=news&position=also

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/the_ground_zero_mosque_and_con.html

Things are not what they seem, this is a world at war, the prize is your heart!
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June 17, 2010 2:20pm
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June 17, 2010 2:24pm
krazykiwi

Pete’s link re the statue of Jesus got me thinking… why is it that Islam is so opposed to depictions of Mohammad? I mean, the name Mohammad is the world’s most popular name… so there are 100’s of millions of Mohammad’s running around, being photographed, having cartoons drawn of them, statues made, wax figures etc. So why all the fuss?
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June 17, 2010 2:42pm
Pete George

On a lightly different tangent krazykiwi – depictions of revered figures can be fascinating. I’ve just seen a progression of interpretations of how different people and centuries have seen JC, via church frescos and mosaics from Ravenna to Rome, and via a history of art at the Uffizi Gallery. The fact is no one has any idea what he looked like, more what they like to think he would have been like. But does it really matter?
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June 17, 2010 2:59pm
nickb

Is anyone interested in our political system after a copy of Constitutional & Administrative Law in NZ, by Philip Joseph?

It is an older edition so wont fetch much on trademe, but if anyone wants the best text on NZ’s constitution, they can have it. Ill get it posted off ASAP.

Email me on nick7688@hotmail.com, first one to email with their name and address details gets it. It is a great book. The 2nd edition. The new edition hasn’t really changed much though.
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June 17, 2010 3:06pm
nickb

Krazykiwi is the winner!
KK my email is not working for some reason, I can read your emails but not respond. Will get is posted off within the next day or two.
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June 17, 2010 3:11pm
krazykiwi

nickb – you’ve got mail
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June 17, 2010 3:11pm
nickb

Once you email your address ^^^^ that is
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June 17, 2010 3:13pm
krazykiwi

Done. Happy to sort postage too. Just email me your bank account number if required. Thanks for this.
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June 17, 2010 3:24pm
nickb

Na no worries kk. I’ll get it sent off tommorow.
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June 17, 2010 3:34pm
Manolo

If you ask any Muslim I can safely bet he/she wouldn’t know the reasons why. The so-called “religion of peace” at work:

“The permissibility of depictions of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, has long been a concern in Islam’s history. Oral and written descriptions are readily accepted by all traditions of Islam, but there is disagreement about visual depictions.

The Koran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few supplemental traditions which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating the visual depictions of figures under any circumstances. Most contemporary Sunni Muslims believe that visual depictions of the prophets generally should be prohibited, and they are particularly averse to visual representations of Muhammad.

The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry, where the image becomes more important than what it represents.”
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June 17, 2010 3:48pm
nickb

Does anyone read Wikileaks much?

ON there for the first time, there is some fascinating stuff
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June 17, 2010 4:27pm
philu

here is a reality-check for the christian-fascists…

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/is-god-irrelevant/

“… Like it or not, since the 19th century, religion has lost most of its authority as the go-to place for our enduring questions, yearnings, stories and role models.

While the media still milks the chattering and snarling between theists and atheists … most people are bored by this show …

… and many have quietly moved into a more productive position.

Growing numbers of people don’t particularly care whether or not there are gods since …

… even if there are … they don’t seem able to do anything in our world.

If they’re omnipotent, they appear to be indifferent to the small and large-scale wars, tragedies, and slaughters around us.

If they’re impotent … who needs them?

Even when people are reflexively tempted to thank God for saving them from a disaster that may have killed hundreds or thousands of other people …

… they don’t want to say it too loudly — because they know someone may ask them, rhetorically, what their God had against the thousands he let die.

Even bromides about God have lost much of their usefulness…”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 5:11pm
krazykiwi

Calling me a ‘christian-fascist’ makes phil feel all smug. I blame the idleness, the drugs and the violence. Living with vegan dogs probably doesn’t help either.
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June 17, 2010 5:29pm
Manolo

“Living with vegan dogs Probably doesn’t help either.”

I agree.
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June 17, 2010 5:38pm
big bruv

I wonder if the Nat’s are going to get behind Sir Rogers Education (Board of Trustee Freedom) Amendment Bill which was drawn from todays Ballot.

If Key does not support this one then as far as I am concerned the Nat’s can go and get fucked.
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June 17, 2010 6:02pm
nickb

I thought D4J had been quiet lately

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3825431/Protester-scales-Supreme-Court
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June 17, 2010 8:32pm
Johnboy

“If Key does not support this one then as far as I am concerned the Nat’s can go and get fucked.”

As long as the gouging bastards pay for the whores on their own plastic I can support that view.
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June 17, 2010 8:35pm
dad4justice

“I thought D4J had been quiet lately”

Get a grip you weak gutted Act turnip sucker.
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June 17, 2010 9:23pm
philu

“..Calling me a ‘christian-fascist’ makes phil feel all smug…”

um..!..no..

by any definition…given your ‘ideas’ that you attempt to promulgate here…

..and your bigotry..and your racism…and your blind intolerance for any other(s) belief…..

..and how you preach such hatred..

..you are a template for/every inch… a ‘christian fascist’..

(here is a more finite definition..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/the-christian-fascists-are-growing-stronger/

that must be like looking into a mirror..eh..?

tell us how you are not…..?

i mean..i am a vegan humanist…you are a carnivorous christian fascist..

we are yelling at each other across a canyon…

and i told the dogs it is partly their fault…

i think that ‘meh!’..followed by a yawn..

..sums up all our reactions…

..to attacks from blind/ignorant christian fascists..

..eh..?

..is it ‘by your words’..that we know you..?

..oh evil one/preacher of hatred…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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June 17, 2010 9:27pm
philu

actually..i may self-describe as a humanist..

..but i am really fucken bigoted against bigots…

..eh..?

..they make my skin crawl..

..they are such loathsome excuses for human beings…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:33pm
dime

BAHAHAHA
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June 17, 2010 9:40pm
big bruv

Phool

Am I a bigot if I hate parasites who have no intention of ever working for a living?

You know, the kinda guy who just bludges from his fellow Kiwi, one who can work, should work, has no reason not to work but still steadfastly refuses to get off his lazy arse and contribute.

Does that make me a bigot?
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June 17, 2010 9:43pm
Johnboy

Surely if you are bigoted against bigots then you are a bigot. Hence you actually hate yourself Phool?

That I can understand. I would hate myself too if I were you. 🙂

However don’t commit suicide just yet. Somebody loves you so much they have named a wine after you.

If I were you Phool I would get in touch immediately. These people are obviously the only other humans in the universe who like you.

Here is the link: http://www.squawkingmagpie.co.nz/
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June 17, 2010 9:44pm
krazykiwi

There you go again phil. So much anger. So much hatred. So much bile.

Be careful, at your age, and after years of intense drug abuse (cf quote below) your delicate frame might not last until pension time – and that’s not too far away is it?

and just for the record…many years ago..in another place…i hung off a crack pipe for a grand total of three months on the trot…..
(that’s real’crack’..ie cocaine..not the local bath-tub speed u r referrring to ..whale-blubber..)..

i (literally) ‘ran-away’ from it..to jamaica..to dry out..with the help of a large bag of jamaicas’ finest….

horrified at the power of that particular drug..(the one i reckon is the most addictive)..and one which really fucks people/users up..(even more than booze does..)

I remain amused that you cast me as a preacher of hate, a bigot, racist and intolerant. If this makes you feel better then keep at it. I’ll allow you that abuse.. it’s clearly a form of psychiatric therapy.
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June 17, 2010 9:46pm
philu

“..I remain amused that you cast me as a preacher of hate, a bigot, racist and intolerant…”

how could i not..?

that is all that you deliver…

..you and the others…

..the other christian fascists..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 17, 2010 9:59pm
Nomestradamus

Nickb:

I thought D4J had been quiet lately

The article says:

The man, who was arrested at about 5.30pm after a forty minute protest, attached a blue banner to the building that appeared to call for the legalisation of cannabis.

Phool? Where were you around 5:30pm? And why didn’t you use a green banner? 🙂
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June 17, 2010 10:11pm
philu

cooking dinner for the boy….and the hounds…

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June 17, 2010 10:22pm
JiveKitty

@Manolo: Re: not drawing Mohammed, I had heard there was at least a partial extrapolation from the Koran about not being able to draw Allah as Allah is formless, and they moved to Mohammed from there. I’m not sure how close this is to reality. It’s a half-remembered fragment.

And yes, you’re right about the rule applying to Sunnis. At least part of the reason is that they believe it leads to idolatry as the image of the prophet will be worshipped.

@Pete George: How does one control the internet? Fucked if I know, but Kevin Rudd’s certainly trying: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/web-snooping-policy-shrouded-in-secrecy-20100617-yi1u.html

@nickb: wikileaks is very useful on occasion.
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June 17, 2010 10:25pm
Nomestradamus

Phool:

I’m slightly curious. What was on the dinner menu tonight in your vegan household? You surely cooked a different menu for the boy and the dogs?
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June 17, 2010 10:57pm
JiveKitty

@Nomestradamus: If the boy’s not been raised on meat or dairy, it wouldn’t be a necessity. Even if raised on meat, it’s not a necessity. You can have a healthy diet without those things. It’s just often more difficult and because of the restricted choice, possibly less fun. Of course, working within such constraints could potentially lead to some inspirational and interesting food being made. I have an inkling you can actually get vegan dog food, although I would think it wouldn’t be as good for dogs given the likely current evolutionary state of having a body primarily geared to process meat.

All that said, I’m not sure how I’d cope without fish, chicken and a little red meat every now and again. Also dairy.
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June 17, 2010 11:15pm
Nomestradamus

JiveKitty:

Interesting comments.

I agree if you’ve been raised to go without something you won’t have a natural craving for it. But surely vegan dog food, if there’s indeed such a thing, needs to be sufficiently wholesome so that the dogs are “full of beans” (yes, pun intended!) so to speak? With that in mind, what’s an example of a vegan meal that gives humans and dogs the energy to stay active?
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June 17, 2010 11:26pm
JiveKitty

Yeah, I’m not sure about the dogs and did express concern and I’m not a vegan myself, so it’s hard for me to say. I’ve been informed, however, that there’s a goodly number of Muay Thai Kickboxers who are vegan, and Scott Jurek, an ultramarathon runner I know of, manages to get enough calories in his day to compete and be one of the best in the world (5000 to 8000 in a day). So it can be done.

Ideally, one would want to do it without supplements, so I’d think minimally processed “whole” foods (brown rice over whice rice, for example), lots of vegetables, and lots of (non-animal) fats. The human body as far as I’m aware is primarily geared towards processing protein and fats as its energy sources, so nuts, tofu, avocado, vegetable oils. Fucked if I know what else. Minimal processed carbs.

Although, that said, as the kickboxers and ultramarathon runners are very active people requiring a lot of stamina, the vegan diet would probably have a higher proportion of carbohydrates than others might. So the caveat to the above would be the healthy diet would depend upon the type of activity one undertakes.
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June 18, 2010 12:00am
Viking2

More gutless ranting from the born to rule. No we are not going to have a debate, no we are not going to talk about our future, no we are not going air the options, the Pm has stuffed up and we are not going to rock the boat, our way C/- of Key.
And all at a time when they have the best to gain. Politically hopeless, censorship.
Gerry the carpenter. (like another one in the past), tells one of our top Company Chairman to STFU. Appalling behavoir but what one has come to expect from our so called leaders.

Call to float SOE stakes ‘out of line’
By HAMISH RUTHERFORD – BusinessDay.co.nz
Last updated 05:00 18/06/2010
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GROWING PAINS: Over the next decade Solid Energy needed at least $5 billion for new projects, John Palmer said, “an investment which it would not make sense for the Government to make”.
GROWING PAINS: Over the next decade Solid Energy needed at least $5 billion for new projects, John Palmer said, “an investment which it would not make sense for the Government to make”.
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Solid Energy chairman John Palmer is calling for New Zealand’s largest coal miner to be floated, predicting the market should value it at $2.5 billion.

Mr Palmer, who is also the chairman of Air New Zealand, appealed for a debate on the future of the country’s state-owned enterprises, claiming a part sale of key assets would allow the Government to increase the value of its investment without having to inject further capital.

“This can be, with the right management and access to capital, one of New Zealand’s most important companies. It should be. In its current form I don’t think it can be.”

Speaking at the annual general meeting of stock exchange operator NZX in Wellington, Mr Palmer said companies like Solid Energy and other major infrastructure owners such as electricity generators should be considered for a partial sale, with the Government maintaining a controlling stake.

But Energy Minister Gerry Brownlee told an electricity conference in Christchurch yesterday that Mr Palmer’s comments were “out of line” and that the National-led Government would not consider selling assets in its first term.

“Mr Palmer is not an elected official, he’s an appointed chairman and if he wants to go making those sort of announcements on behalf of the Government he should stand and get himself elected to Parliament.” While Mr Palmer stressed that the views he was expressing were personal, the issue needed to be debated because of the company’s investment plans which would require outside investment. Over the next decade Solid Energy needed at least $5 billion for new projects, Mr Palmer said, an investment which it would not make sense for the government to make.

More at; http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3825639/Call-to-float-SOE-stakes-out-of-line/

All it takes is for the Nats. to sacl John Palmer and their won’t be NZ business person who will do the Govt.’s work ever again. Socialism at its most insidious.
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June 18, 2010 6:51am
Viking2

But never mind that we can’t do this, the Aussies are willing. What screwed up bunch of twats we have for Govt.

Australia’s Bathurst eager to develop Westport coal mine
By Grant Bradley
4:00 AM Friday Jun 18, 2010

Australian mining company Bathurst Resources intends listing on the NZX this year as part of a US$60 million ($86 million) plan to develop an opencast coal mine near Westport.

The company plans to export up to two million tonnes of coal from the mine next to Solid Energy’s Stockton operation as part of a joint venture with Christchurch energy explorer L&M.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10652652
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June 18, 2010 7:03am
philu

i did pasta…(the boys’ favourite..he takes the leftovers to school for lunch..

..(and yes..that is mixed through the dogs’-dinner..they also are big fans…

..and he had fruit salad and choc-flavoured soy icecream for dessert….

..he seemed quite happy with all that…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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