General Debate 15 June 2010

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June 15, 2010 8:54am
Inventory2

Great idea from the Dom-Post. Progress is slow with all the OIA documents released to them on ministerial spending, so they’ve scanned them and put them online for readers ro review, and to highlight if there seems to be anything of interest. Seems to me to be the ultimate in opening up this whole area to public scrutiny!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/06/help-media.html
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June 15, 2010 9:01am
Murray

Let the feeding frenzy begin.
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June 15, 2010 9:03am
krazykiwi

@IV2 – Yes this is a good idea.

Better still would be having all expenses published in a searchable database.

That would bring a dose of much needed accountability.. and I dare say it would deliver fewer [cough] ‘mistakes’ .. where personal expenses find their way on to the taxpayers tab.
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June 15, 2010 9:08am
Auberon

I was wanting to post on the absurd looking swagger Phil Goff has begun marching about with, but was very pleased to see Paul Henry had noticed it too, and pulled Goff up on it on Breakfast this morning. He made Goff watch a couple of occasions where he’d been walking toward the camera lately – hilarious viewing. Goff had to admit he certainly appeared to be walking differently, but said it was entirely unconcious. Keep it up Phil, your search for an image is very entertaining.
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June 15, 2010 9:08am
Pascal

Ministry of Silly Walks, eh?
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June 15, 2010 9:11am
James Stephenson

Auberon – I’m expecting a parliamentary Oasis tribute band with Phil as the front-man…
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June 15, 2010 9:19am
Pete George

It’s a bit sad when journalists try to get the public to do the hard work for them. But I guess it gives them time to concentrate on really important stories like how someone walks. Paul Henry commenting on someone else’s swagger! Good grief.

Does anyone wonder why it’s hard to attract good people into politics?
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June 15, 2010 9:19am
MikeNZ

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article64586.ece
Whilst we’re all enjoying our lovely winter weather but going home to our families at the end of the day, give a thought for a boy kidnapped from his country and not even allowed a visit from the Red Cross.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100612/wl_mideast_afp/israelconflictgazaegyptrafah
Even the Egyptians keep their blockade too.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/abbas-to-obama-i-m-against-lifting-the-gaza-naval-blockade-1.295771#send-friend-popup
Abbas doesn’t want the blockade lifted anytime soon either.
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June 15, 2010 9:20am
Murray

Its a bit sad when polticians try to avoid accountability by holding on to information as long as possible then dumping in the hope it will hide as much as possible.

But thats still better than Clarks “new standards of accoutnability”.
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June 15, 2010 9:21am
Chicken Little

I just wish Nick Smith would put up the dates and times of his ultra secret, taxpayer funded, ETS meetings so any of the public who wish to attend could attend. Unfortunately Dr Smith and his post normally deformed followers want to keep them secret. I cannot imagine why as apparently there is a consensus that it’s all sorted out and anyway, it’s just like Gallipoli and even though, you know, its a complete waste of time ( 7473 New Zealanders dead and injured) you do it anyway because Europe, who takes 15% of our exports will be mean to us if we don’t. Interestingly it has been revealed that up to 90% of the trades on the European Carbon market have been fraudulent, something to look forward to Nick?

There does seem to be an ETS meeting of some sort on though –

22nd June 12pm Civic Square Wellington – March to Parliament 12.30pm – 1pm

ETS = Enormous Tax Scam

ಠ_ಠ

[DPF: You assert they are secret. Have you asked his office for the dates?]
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June 15, 2010 9:31am
Inventory2

@ Pete George – with 16522 scanned documents on the Dom-Post viewer, you can understand why the journo’s are getting a bit bleary-eyed. Much of it will be mind-numbingly dull, but then you get the occasional pearl amongst the muck.
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June 15, 2010 9:33am
Inventory2

Murray – Clark DID set new standards of accountabilty. The old “standards of accountability” went out the window, and were replaced by non-existant ones!
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June 15, 2010 9:35am
Pete George

Understood I2.

It’s a bit odd that a few have been found out, blasted by the media, dealt to by Goff, and how much hasn’t been checked yet? This could go on, and on, and on.

Did Dom-Post flag how many they had been over? Did they just dive in looking for likely suspects?
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June 15, 2010 9:35am
Murray

Yes Inv she did, and this version is “bettter” than that.

Those were selected and targeted for poltical effect pete. What game do you think is being played? Did you expect the free pass to ciontinue with a change of government? Its called a goose gander sauce sort of situation which is why its always a good idea to assume that anything you do in power will come back and bite you in the ass when you looose an election.

Cry if you like but no one has any sympathy for troughing labour MP’s and no one cares where why or how the details came from.
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June 15, 2010 9:38am
Yvette

Chicken Little – “Interestingly it has been revealed that up to 90% of the trades on the European Carbon market have been fraudulent”

Knowing very little about the ETS, as do most New Zealanders [I’d think], I am surprised that after ACT condemns New Zealand for being the only country to have an ETS and ‘going it alone’, there does appear to be a market, and one assumes other participating countries after all.
But since the market seems fraudulent, is trading through Government agencies [which would presumably validate emissions and credits] or is the market independent of such scrutiny and therefore open to fraud?
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June 15, 2010 9:44am
Pete George

I’m not crying about it Murray. Accountability is good. The process is a bit haphazard though.

But I’m confused. If the media targeted Labour MPs does that make them patsies for the Right?
(I don’t think so, they seem more concerned about HEADLINES and aren’t fussy who they chew).
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June 15, 2010 9:46am
Manolo

“Interestingly it has been revealed that up to 90% of the trades on the European Carbon market have been fraudulent”

What will be as fraudlent, but as painful because will hit us all in the pocket, are the wave of price increases after July 1, let alone the OCR and and mortgage rates hikes.

The questions remain unanswered: Why is Key’s National government taxing the population more? Why is NZ leading the world? What is the country gaining with an ETS?
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June 15, 2010 9:53am
gravedodger

Now that quick lime and exposure to air have been applied to this stinking morass of the body politic, it is now an appropriate time for Honest John to open the parliamentary services disbursments to scrutiny with a searchable data base that the motivated can access and while we are there the Leaders budgets as well. I for one would just love to see what Jamberton spends his $100 000 leaders allowance on as he makes his play for the CHCH Mayoralty piggy bank to augment his looming retirement from the stresses and rigors of the vast responsibility he has so vaingloriously carried on behalf of all the serfs, all the while having the onerous task of managing the affairs of the “Progressive Party”.
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June 15, 2010 9:57am
Murray

It hasen’t been haphazard pete, its been selective.

There are no principles in politics outside winning power. that in itself should make everyone deeply skeptical.
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June 15, 2010 9:58am
krazykiwi

Carbon trading fraud in Belgium – “up to 90% of the whole market volume was caused by fraudulent activities”
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June 15, 2010 10:00am
krazykiwi

Oh, and the UK and the Netherlands are clamping down on the fraud by scrapping VAT on carbon trading. As if that’s ‘clamping down’ !!
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June 15, 2010 10:04am
Yvette

Okay – if the ETS is not another tax, will there be GST on it?
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June 15, 2010 10:11am
Chicken Little

[DPF: You assert they are secret. Have you asked his office for the dates?]

Of course I have DPF, thats how I know they’re secret. His office is trying to spin it that 28 meetings around the country within the next 2 weeks are not confirmed yet but if I tell them the area I live in they will contact me when the date is set.

Do you really believe that? Is Dr Smiths office so completey unorganised that they have not set the dates yet for ANY of the meetings? I call BULLSHIT on that. They’re lying, Smith’s lying, Nationals lying and don’t think the NZ voter will forgive them when they realise the scale of the lie because they won’t.

Yvette – The only other place in the world with a ETS like scheme is Europe or more succinctly the EU, not individual countries. So NZ will literally be the only country in the world with one.

Info is here (wiki)

Euro ETS fraud

If you research this further you will often come across phrases like –

The EU ETS has been criticized for several failings, including: over-allocation, windfall profits, price volatility

This is not a good idea, never mind the major doubts about the science, it really is just a great big tax grab
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June 15, 2010 10:17am
simpleton

simpleton (34) Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 5:27 pm From General Debate

Despite googling now and again for Nick smiths emission trading scheme etc. public meeting, I never found when these meetings are to be.
Hey surprise surprise, found one in a small local rag and camoflaged with the National party logo sign.
! ! TODAY !

*# National#*

A Public Meeting in Otorohanga
Tuesday. June15, 2010
Hon Dr Nick Smith for Climate Change
Issues and Environment, and Shane Ardern MP
Taranaki-King Country will be available to address the
ETS issue at a meeting at 7.15pm at the
Otorohanga Club Meeting Room

Just where are the Otorohanga Club Meeting Room? What street and address?
Why have they not put out a list of these meetings?
Are they going to later claim that they have had a number of meetings and met the public?
It appears more like divide and rule.
Otorohanga is a small dairy farm service town in the lower Waikato on State Hi way 3 and close to the Waitomo Caves
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June 15, 2010 10:29am
philu

(this one is quite important…)

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/how-diet-affects-cancer/

“…Diet affects cancer both directly and indirectly.

Nutrients directly impact the mechanisms by which cancer cells grow and spread.

They indirectly help control the cancer by changing the surrounding biochemical conditions that either encourage or discourage the progression of malignant disease.

The bottom line is that what you eat can spell the difference between conquering your disease … and having it rage out of control.

Here are some examples of findings from recent studies that support the importance of diet in fighting cancer:

* Diets high in fat and refined carbohydrates make you more likely to become overweight, which in turn increases your risk of tumor recurrences. (8) Obese men are at significantly greater risk of developing more aggressive prostate cancer. (9)

* Dietary fats can impair the body’s anti-cancer defenses by depressing the activity of natural killer (NK) cells …

.. while a low-fat diet markedly increases NK activity. (10,11,12)

…Natural killer cells play a key role in preventing metastasis.

* Obese breast cancer patients are two to four times more likely to experience a recurrence than women of normal weight. (13)

For every additional 10 percentage points of calories derived from fat in the diet of newly diagnosed breast cancer patients —

– by going from 25 percent to 35 percent of calories from fat — the risk of recurrence approximately doubles. (14)

An increase of 10 percentage points is alarmingly easy: just add four ounces of beef, four ounces of mozzarella cheese (about the size of three nine-volt batteries), a cup of ice cream, or four pats of butter to your daily intake …

… and you’re there.

High intake of many dietary fats is linked with higher rates of cancer recurrence, lower rates of survival, or both. (15)

(and..)

Cancer patients are told to get all the calories they can, from butter, margarine, high-fat dairy products, mayonnaise, eggs, meat, hard and soft cheese, ice cream and peanut butter.

The rationale is that a fat- and calorie-packed diet prevents or combats cachexia, the “starvation response” seen in cancer patients.

It does not.

But this response is hardly universal; only some patients become cachectic, and only at certain points in their treatment.

The reality is that there are far more patients for whom “all you can eat” … is exactly the wrong prescription: …

… it makes them fill their plates with animal protein, saturated fats, unhealthful omega-6 fats and refined carbohydrates ..

… all of which have tumor-promoting properties. (18)

In fact, a 2007 study reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that stage III colon cancer patients who ate the least meat, fat, refined grains and desserts …

… had half the mortality risk of those who ate the most of these foods. (19)…”..(cont..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 10:34am
MT_Tinman

# Pete George (5090) Says:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:46 am

I’m not crying about it Murray. Accountability is good. The process is a bit haphazard though.

But I’m confused. If the media targeted Labour MPs does that make them patsies for the Right?
(I don’t think so, they seem more concerned about HEADLINES and aren’t fussy who they chew).

Pete, possibly the slime re “targetting” Labour and it’s cronies because they were the possessors of the credit cards in question.

I agree that they are more concerned with headlines than well thought out facts but that is to be expected – sensationalism is the sole criteria that can make the slime actually work instead of simply repeating press releases.

For mine I can’t figure out how non-Labour’s Anderton has not been thoroughly vilified over his disgusting and disgraceful behaviour (theft?) which is far worse than anything Jones did.
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June 15, 2010 10:38am
Pete George

Yep, Anderton’s free pass is curious. He can hardly demote himself, and it is probably tricky for Labour to kick him out of the shadow cabinet, but I’m surprised the press have not put more pressure on him. Perhaps he has some data on them.
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June 15, 2010 10:47am
philu

(this is a public-service announcment for both the fascist-christians…

..and those christians who are not fascist….)

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/ancient-christian-meditation-discovered/

“…This ancient prayer has been passed down through generations.

Initially recited verbally … it was ultimately written in obscure instruction manuals intended only for monks.

It was kept in secret, only to be revealed as part of a dedicated life of isolation.

Some spiritual counselors advise using it only with the help of a disciplined guide … in the context of a life devoted to monasticism.

Others say that anyone can use it.

Still in use some 2,000 years later in monasteries ….

….and churches that grew out of the Egyptian desert and spread to Greece, the Mediterranean, Eastern Europe, Slavic lands, and Russia …

… the Jesus Prayer is now being revealed to those of us in the western world.

There is no longer a need to become a monk or nun to know and use this prayer.

It isn’t necessary to leave your family, work or home behind and renounce everything.

The prayer, Kyrie Eleison in Greek, or the Jesus Prayer, has great power…”..(cont..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 10:49am
krazykiwi

@Chicken Little, Have you asked John Boscawen to raise Smiths secret agenda at QT? This is a disgraceful whitewash that will end with Smith trumpeting ‘board consultation, board consensus’ and the MSM will nod and move on. It can’t be allowed to happen.
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June 15, 2010 11:19am
krazykiwi

phil, a few questions:-
1. Do you have internet access at home?
2. Why did you claimed to have an MA back in 2005.. when you didn’t?
3. Is your name Philip or Phillip? There is some confusion at the MSD helpdesk over this.
4. Why do you now claim you must be on the DPB to care for your son, when a few years ago he was younger yet you found time to study?
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June 15, 2010 11:25am
starboard

KK..cut and paste philwhore’s a bullshitter…
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June 15, 2010 11:48am
backster

DPF…How come I can’t vote in your poll for NZ to win world cup.
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June 15, 2010 12:02pm
philu

a few questions for you christian-fascist….

why are you a christian fascist…?

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/the-christian-fascists-are-growing-stronger/

why are you a racist..?

..why are you a bigot..?

..why are you sexist..?

..why do you preach prejudice..?

..why do you preach hatred…?

why do you preach evil..?

(all of which counters/fles-in-the-face of the teachings of your (supposed) spiritual-master/’god’……?

(i mean..seriously..!..you are nothing but a total maggot..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 12:58pm
philu

and maggot..how about some links to the teachings you follow…

..that support the hatreds you spew here…

cos my memory is…that just the opposite ids held up as the ideal..

you are the anithesis of these teachings..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 1:10pm
Chicken Little

Hi KK – yes I have spoken to John B about it briefly. He had no idea why the meetings were secret and didn’t seem particularly confident that he could find anything out from Herr Smiths office.

I also asked him to directly ask, in Parliament, if the the ETS would be null and void after 31st December 2012, since as Smith and Key say this is about our Kyoto commitments and the Kyoto agreement finishes on that date. He was unsure wether that would be a question he could ask.

To my mind – National are insane not to shelve/repeal, in its entirety, this law as a pretty serious body of evidence is building that the IPCC have got things wrong on many levels. I was dismayed to hear that Gluckman is talking about ‘consensus’ and calling sceptics ‘deniers’ aligned with tobacco and Aids denial and still touting himself as a scientist. Even a rudimentary reading of the IPCC reports shows they have over egged the pudding vastly and that really most serious ( read non politicised ) scientists have major problems with the C02 hypothesis. National are going to end up looking like a complete bunch of fools in the next year or two.

I have to say I am looking forward to the next election and being able to rub their faces in their own stupidity. They can bullshit all they like about $3 per week etc etc, when Joe Kiwi sees all goods rising by 5-6% to pay forest owners for supposedly sequestering a atmospheric trace gas that is unproven to affect the climate in the way it has been sold by the IPCC there will only be one political party to blame and I plan to shout that parties name long and hard.
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June 15, 2010 1:11pm
simpleton

simpleton (35) Says:

ETS

Plus found another for tomorrow “is at the Te Aroha College Hall, Stanley Street from 7.30pm on Wednesday, 16 June.”

June 15th, 2010 at 10:29 am
simpleton (34) Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 5:27 pm From General Debate

Despite googling now and again for Nick smiths emission trading scheme etc. public meeting, I never found when these meetings are to be.
Hey surprise surprise, found one in a small local rag and camoflaged with the National party logo sign.
! ! TODAY !

*# National#*

A Public Meeting in Otorohanga
Tuesday. June15, 2010
Hon Dr Nick Smith for Climate Change
Issues and Environment, and Shane Ardern MP
Taranaki-King Country will be available to address the
ETS issue at a meeting at 7.15pm at the
Otorohanga Club Meeting Room

Just where are the Otorohanga Club Meeting Room? What street and address?
Why have they not put out a list of these meetings?
Are they going to later claim that they have had a number of meetings and met the public?
It appears more like divide and rule.
Otorohanga is a small dairy farm service town in the lower Waikato on State Hi way 3 and close to the Waitomo Caves
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June 15, 2010 1:25pm
Put it away

I Didn’t think you’d answer kk’s questions PhailUre.
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June 15, 2010 1:30pm
Captain Neurotic

When is the Colmar Brunton poll out for party ratings?
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June 15, 2010 1:42pm
krazykiwi

Come on phil… you’re getting all worked up again. That’s just silly. Now calm down and answer some simple questions:

1. Do you have internet access at home?

2. Why did you claimed to have an MA back in 2005.. when you didn’t?

3. Is your name Philip or Phillip? There is some confusion at the MSD helpdesk over this.

4. Why do you now claim you must be on the DPB to care for your son, when a few years ago he was younger yet you found time to study?

Now.. deep breath. Relax. Ok, when you’re ready…mmm?
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June 15, 2010 1:48pm
kowtow

auberon……I noticed the silly walk too. Goff might be paying someone to teach him how to appear tough,lots of these guys do it nowadays.

More trouble brewing in the Med ,Iran sending ships to provoke the Israelis.
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June 15, 2010 2:42pm
krazykiwi

NASA predicting another Y2K:

Nasa warns solar flares from ‘huge space storm’ will cause devastation

Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has warned

National power grids could overheat and air travel severely disrupted while electronic items, navigation devices and major satellites could stop working after the Sun reaches its maximum power in a few years.

Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

In a new warning, Nasa said the super storm would hit like “a bolt of lightning” and could cause catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken. [kk: will these ‘precautions’ involve expensive publicly-funded research and/or more taxes?]

Scientists believe it could damage everything from emergency services’ systems, hospital equipment, banking systems and air traffic control devices, through to “everyday” items such as home computers, iPods and Sat Navs.

Due to humans’ heavy reliance on electronic devices, which are sensitive to magnetic energy, the storm could leave a multi-billion pound damage bill and “potentially devastating” problems for governments.

It must be fun working in NASA’s Global Crisis Warning department: Catastrophic climate change, Nuclear winters, annihilation by asteroid , global solar meltdowns.

The “Cry Wolf” story comes to mind.
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June 15, 2010 3:32pm
Pete George

Have you not heard of solar storms? Did you not know the sun had been abnormally quiet lately? It goes through natural cycles.

NASA says there have been five sun storms in the past century.
In 1989, a minor flare knocked out electricity to millions of Canadians.
One of the most powerful solar storms on record occurred in 1859, frying transmission lines, setting structures ablaze and knocking out telegraph service around the globe.

Since then technology is far more widespread – and sensitive. So it’s a possibility.
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June 15, 2010 3:48pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

If you think NZ has a problem with leaky homes, look what the Germans are putting up with.

They are living and working over about 100,000 unexploded Allied bombs.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,699124,00.html
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June 15, 2010 3:48pm
Yvette

“LATEST: Labour MP Chris Carter has issued an unreserved apology for his expenses while travelling overseas.
A furious Phil Goff earlier sent Mr Carter home to consider his future over his handling of questions about his expense claims.
“It is clear to me that a public apology is both demanded and required in regard to my expenses when travelling overseas on government business on the taxpayer expense,” Mr Carter said in a statement.
“I unreservedly apologise to the New Zealand public.”
His prompt reaction is likely to stay Mr Goff’s hand as he contemplated stripping Mr Carter of the conservation role he was given this morning – after losing his foreign affairs role and being demoted as a result of his misuse of his ministerial credit card.” – stuff.co

Translation: Carter finally says sorry [but doesn’t mean it because that is not what he said to start with] when his boss further threatens him because of what he did say to start with.
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June 15, 2010 3:54pm
krazykiwi

Pete – Yes quite familiar with this stuff. Learned quite a bit researching solar impacts on climate.

The issue for me is not the potential for problems, but the way it’s scaled and wrapped in alarmist language.

There is a risk that important warnings could be ignored as a result of crisis alert fatigue.

[Disclaimer: No one paid me to say this. I don’t represent anyone. These view are my own etc etc.]
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June 15, 2010 3:56pm
Pete George

“the way it’s scaled and wrapped in alarmist language”

I suspect that’s more media than scientists. Hard to avoid unfortunately.

It’s quite different to Y2K and climate change, we are certainly at the mercy of nature with this. They are doing quite a bit to develop early warning systems so satellites have enough time to switch to safe mode, but if we get an 1859 sized burst they will only be a small part of the problem.

And it provides opportunities – what do you think would be useful in a solar storm survival kit apart from a tin foil hat?
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June 15, 2010 4:04pm
krazykiwi

Hey true.. at last a use for my tin foil hat. All those jibes.. and I’ll be one of a few without magnetically erased memory. Just me, and the newer model cyborgs being built at Area 51 🙂
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June 15, 2010 4:29pm
Banana Llama

Tinfoil hat would probably get soldered to ones skull!
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June 15, 2010 4:40pm
RightNow

kk, it’s Phillip Ure (m.a. hons). Clearly (punctuation) abuse and (case) insensitivity is no obstacle to an arts degree.

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/SC/Documents/Evidence/5/9/4/48SCJESCEvidencefA3014_A3291-Phillip-Ure-m-a-hons.htm
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June 15, 2010 4:48pm
krazykiwi

@RightNow – thanks. Have also confirmed that from Facebook too: Phillip Ure.
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June 15, 2010 5:06pm
Jack5

Does anyone know about the winner of the Qantas newspaper award for senior newspaper feature writer, science and environment? He is one John McCrone, of the Christchurch Press.

Sounds an interesting fellow, with books published with titles like How the Brain works, The Ape that Spoke, and The Myth of Irrationality.

He has some books on Amazon that are very reasonably priced, three titles you can get varying from US22c (before postage) to USD2.96.

I’ve been able to read a little about McCrone at the following links, but perhaps some Kiwiblog followers know more, such as how he ended up at the Christchurch Press:

http://www.dichotomistic.com/about_intro.html

and

http://christchurchcitylibraries.com/Literature/People/M/McCroneJohn/
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June 15, 2010 5:30pm
RightNow

ETS MEETINGS…. courtesy of Nick’s office.

here are 3 meetings to be held in the main centres

1. Auckland: 22 June (Concert Chamber, Auckland Town Hall, 50 Mayoral Drive)
2. Christchurch: 23 June (Conference Room, Christchurch Town Hall, Kilmore Street)
3. Wellington: 30 June (Ballroom, Duxton Hotel, Wakefield Street, Wellington)
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June 15, 2010 5:36pm
krazykiwi

@RightNow – Thanks, that’s excellent news. Time to prepare probing questions that the barking one doesn’t want to hear, let alone answer
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June 15, 2010 5:43pm
philu

so….can chicky have a cup of tea..and a wee lie-down now..?

..and stop hyper-ventilating/conspiracy-spazzing…?

d’yareckon..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 5:46pm
philu

“..Time to prepare probing questions ..”

‘spread em..!’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 5:47pm
simpleton

ETS Meetings
Thank you Rightnow
also
Otorohanga Club, 107 Maniapoto Street from 7.15pm on Tuesday, 15 June. Tonight

Te Aroha College Hall, Stanley Street from 7.30pm on Wednesday, 16 June.

RightNow (898) Says:

June 15th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
ETS MEETINGS…. courtesy of Nick’s office.

here are 3 meetings to be held in the main centres

1. Auckland: 22 June (Concert Chamber, Auckland Town Hall, 50 Mayoral Drive)
2. Christchurch: 23 June (Conference Room, Christchurch Town Hall, Kilmore Street)
3. Wellington: 30 June (Ballroom, Duxton Hotel, Wakefield Street, Wellington)

Will try to get some info from some contacts how they go.and will appreciate any further information of meetings turn out and what happened and what the responses were.
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June 15, 2010 5:55pm
krazykiwi

TV3 leading with long report which is trying to educate us on the evils of CO2, Methane. Unreal.
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June 15, 2010 6:06pm
Put it away

kk Have also confirmed that from Facebook too: Phillip Ure.

Bit of creative writing there on phool’s facebook: “Employers: Self Employed”.
We taxpayers fucking wish, phool. You are not self employed, you run a hobby blog that no one reads and which brings in no income. “i run/edit an online daily newspaper called whoar.co.nz”. Phool, newspapers are expected to create content. Copy and pasting other people’s work and making the formatting worse does not count.

“my son and i have three (vegan) dogs..”
Jeez phool, I thought you cared about animals? You’re denying three dogs the most utterly basic part of their nature, eating meat? That’s about the most un-natural animal abuse you could do to a dog. Shame on you.

PhilUreFuckingJobApplicationsIn (welphare.phraud.govt.nz)
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June 15, 2010 6:36pm
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/how-to-green-your-pet/

“..Conventional pet foods come with ingredients you may not have bargained for, including pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and — last year’s addition — melamine, a contaminant that killed 1,950 dogs and 2,200 cats and sparked one of the biggest pet food recalls in history.

(Note to vegans or the easily nauseated: you might want to skip the next sentences.)

These mainstream brands often also include items coyly described on their labels as “meat or poultry byproducts” or “reconstituted animal byproducts” —

..industry-speak for grisly waste materials (hair, blood, and worse) culled from “4D” animals..

..the dead, diseased, dying, or disabled..”

(disclaimer:..or you can turn your dog vegan..

‘the boy’ and i have two medium-sized..and one very very small..vegan dogs..

the medium-sized ones are mother and daughter..the mother nine years old..the daughter six years old..

(the mother was vegan during her pregnancy..)

the benefits of/for a vegan diet..?..for dogs and humans..?..

they look healthy..!

our dogs have shiny coats..constantly wagging tails..and are ‘a picture of health’..

we are often asked ‘how old are your puppies..?..”

‘fresh breath’..vegan dogs don’t have the foul breath/stench associated with consumption of the afor-mentioned gross-outs..

and also..you aren’t contributing to the problems/sufferings of the animals bred/slaughtered for food..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 7:26pm
Chicken Little

So, it appears there are only going to be 4 meetings in the North Island – they are

tonight – Otorohanga

tomorrow – Te Aroha

22nd – Auckland

23rd – Wellington

Does that look strange to anyone else? seems like Hamilton and Palmerston might have been better than Otorohanga and Te Aroha. Anyway, 4 in the North Island and 2 in the South Island, just a little short of the 30 Nick the Greek ( no credit :)) was promising in his press release.

Oh and hey Phule…….. fuck you and fuck off you useless bludging piece of crap.
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June 15, 2010 7:36pm
philu

chicky..!

was it something i said…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 15, 2010 7:39pm
Hurf Durf

Well, what do you know? It’s George Soros again.

Perhaps this is why drilling in Alaska is off the table–it would actually keep America safe and strong and won’t make Obama Boss George Soros even richer than he is now.

Interestingly, it seems the more trouble we have, the better it is for Soros. Last year, Soros noted he was “having a very good crisis” having bet against the United States and profiting from her economic downturn.

Now we learn Soros is set to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Gulf oil catastrophe. With Obama’s ‘moratorium’ and the Obama Admin’s general hostility to drilling, it’s reported many oil companies have already looked into with Brazil regarding a move those shores. And what is Soros principally invested in right now? Petrobras, the Brazilian state oil company.

Taste that hope and change, and another notch in the “imagine if Bush did it” hat. If the media was even halfway serious, they’d be following up and reporting on this kind of thing. Oh wait – there’s the Huruld, now in full blown spin mode for the Messiah. John Key: give the East Coast drilling contract to another company, you’re setting yourself up for the fall.

In other news, Dan Han has finally seen the light and recognises Preznit Easy Bake to to be completely crap. Such heartache.
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June 15, 2010 8:07pm
Tauhei Notts

Te Aroha is not far from Tauhei.
Give me a list of questions to put to the Nelsonian and I will report upon the response.
Please advise if there is any truth in the rumour that Nick has suffered from mental health disorders in the past, and that the progression of this crazy ETS is necessary to preserve his recovery status.
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June 15, 2010 8:24pm
Steve

Thursday is better to wind up Whore, benifit money is fucked then so he gets real agitated, gotta last the weekend with limited drugs
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June 15, 2010 9:16pm
Put it away

Phool – the melamine was one incident in 2007 ( not “last year” as you claim) due to one dodgy chinese company up to the same old trick as with the milk powder. It was investigated and recalled and the supplier dropped in a matter of weeks. The supplier was then closed by the chinese government. Interestingly, phool, the contaminated ingredient was wheat gluten. If they’d stuck to 100% meat they’d have been hunky dory…
Phool you obviously don’t know a lot about dogs natural behaviour in the wild if you think they’ve got something against eating “dead, diseased, dying, or disabled..”, that’s their idea of an convenient and delicious meal ! Watch a dog digging up a rotten old bone and having a great time munching on it. That is the essence of dog happiness, not some miserable collection of vegetables. Have a heart phool, let your dogs eat what nature intended. They shouldn’t have to suffer your eating disorder.

“problems/sufferings of the animals bred/slaughtered for food..” – Phool, do you think anyone is raising animals for petfood?Animals that end up in petfood are raised for other purposes, the pet food factory is the end of the line when they outlive their usefulness or don’t make the grade. These animals would die anyway. Petfood is just a way to dispose of them. I doubt you’d save one single animal’s life by not buying pet food.
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June 15, 2010 9:17pm
krazykiwi

@Tauhei Notts – email me at krazykiwi.kiwiblog@gmail.com and I’ll suggest a few questions for you. I’m sure the barking one is reading this blog so good to keep our powder dry(ish)
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June 15, 2010 9:18pm
krazykiwi

A truely sickening image. Their fraud makes Carter look like he’s been stealing mints from the reception desk.
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June 15, 2010 9:24pm
simpleton

ETS

I heard the meeting at Otorohanga was well attended, maybe over 200 which would be pretty good with the short notice and stuff all pseudo *#National Party #* small print Public Meeting in only one local rag and Federated Farmers notice of it only came out this morning on e-mail, for ones with computers and given their addresses.

Only at that meeting for the first time was a pamplet “Farmers and Landowners” issued for people to pick up at the end of the meeting, and was not left there on a desk over long as an official then took them up.

Finally cracked it , “HomePaddock” has got a post “It’s time to accept the ETS and make it work for us” “posted on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010 at 7:00 am and is filed under environment, politics”. the last phase of it is the speech pretty much in full that Nick Smith gave at Otorohanga. He also has links that I guess would give the power point slides as he spoke and what was also in the pamplet.
http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/its-time-to-accept-the-ets-and-make-it-work-for-us/

I will later endeavour to write up some of the questions that were put and his way of how he handled them.

Just a short part that came up in some of his answers
He is obviously a fan of Gareth Morgan’s book “poles apart”. Professor Ross Garnaut of “Garnaut Climate Change Review”
Really does support Gluckman
Ian Wishart’s Book “Air Con ” was just attacked as Ian being a kooky conspiracist. OK do not use Ian’s name, but use his sources.
The seas are becoming more acidic he believes as they swallow up CO2 as he quoted.
Not sure how he meant about the book”Heaven and Earth” “Earth Pain” and in what context.

An offical at the end of the meeting let slip that there have already been 6 meetings plus *#National Party Conferences#*
I am surprised that they have not been blogged about much, but then I think the Nat meetings are attended by older people and busy working farmers (just guessing) and not up and into blogging for all their concerns. It remains to be seen if the press was there, and if so why as not this speech been published more widely. It is possible that I may have missed it but I understand that others have not seen it and some one is going to post it out to me , made me really try to find it, and so the link to “homepaddock” will do or if it does not work they can figure and keep on posting it.

I wonder if we could have a dedicated blog, perhaps even a secure (log in) one for certain people then also a more public one.
Just thought for now, would “Mickey’s Muses…From the Antipodes” so long as he is amendable to it, and just at this stage to use his comment section? I am still learning computers so it needs to be simple. or just thought of another TBR.cc.

Well it is late so adiue for now, and much work to morrow
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June 16, 2010 12:03am
Inventory2

Nil-all at half-time in Rustenberg. The All Whites are competing well, and the longer they can hold the Slovaks out, the more chance of a result.
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June 16, 2010 12:27am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand first equal in the group. Nice.

1-1 draw does the business for New Zealand.
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June 16, 2010 1:30am
krazykiwi

The Slovak’s goal at 50min was from an uncalled offside position, but to be fair they directed play for >75% of the game. Great All White goal in stoppage time around 92m30s… with 30s left to play. Well done, a little bit of history created today.
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June 16, 2010 1:48am
Chicken Little

Simpleton – you can contact me at z.prophet (at) gmail.com and we’ll take this off the grid.
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June 16, 2010 7:37am
simpleton

Have done and also to the other
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June 16, 2010 8:01am

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