General Debate 7 May 2010

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wreck1080

John Davy the maori tv ceo who lied on his CV has just complained about his sentence compared to Mary Ann Thomson.

Davy, was jailed for 8 months (out in 3) . I thought that was harsh, if everyone was jailed for lying on their cv, there would be a lot of people in jail.

Thompson, was given a small fine and a couple of weeks community service, for a crime which was far more expansive in both duration , damage, and in the level of deception.

This, should be investigated, why was Davy given such a harsh sentence compared to this Thompson woman. Yet another injustice of the NZ legal system I’m afraid.
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May 7, 2010 8:31am
mickysavage

So can someone tell me what this Whanau Ora policy means?

Will hard working kiwi taxpayers be getting value for money?
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May 7, 2010 8:36am
Murray

It means Key is on his knees taking it from the Maori Party that has an anti-white agenda.
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May 7, 2010 8:44am
Bevan

Will hard working kiwi taxpayers be getting value for money?

Holy shit! Now a Labour stooge is concerned about value for money!

We won you lost, eat that!
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May 7, 2010 8:49am
SouthernRight

You have the New Zealand publics ear yesterday on National Radio and all you can talk about is George Rekers indiscretion, (understatement of course) surely there is more happening in your life than just the chance to laugh at some old perve. I think you need to get out more often……
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May 7, 2010 8:49am
Manolo

“So can someone tell me what this Whanau Ora policy means?”

Nothing but another sop to the racist Maori Party. in other words, Neville Key’s way of bribing them to come along to vote with the National Party when the time comes to inflict higher taxes on the rest of us, e.g., ACC, ETS.

You can also see it as quid-pro-quo for passing the seabed and foreshore legislation, where the Maori Party gets its deadly wishes against the rest of the population.

In the vocabulary of the National Party’s minions and acolytes the process is called democracy or MMP accommodation. For me it reeks of expediency and a complete lack of principles, nothing unexpected from the Nats.

Political cowardice at its worst.
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May 7, 2010 8:54am
Steve

Whanau Ora will not help those in need. The hardworking Kiwi taxpayer will not get value for money even after being taxed more. You see, there will be no money left after the troughers have gorged themselves on another free for all lunch
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May 7, 2010 8:57am
Pete George

I thought the general advice was for Maori to work out how to address their social problems themselves. But now a Maori initiative to try and deal with their problems get’s off the ground everyone just tries to shoot it down? No pleasing some people.
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May 7, 2010 8:59am
Steve

Seen it all before Pete? Wanna buy some real expensive underpants? only used once
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May 7, 2010 9:13am
Pete George

So what should they do Steve? Nothing? And just keep watching their own abuse and keep taking the abuse from all those who think they know better?

I think it should be supported and given a go. If it doesn’t work then try something else. The status quo is not delivering.

Or maybe you have a better suggestion?
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May 7, 2010 9:18am
Steve

Missed by miles.

There will be nothing left for those who need the help. The pigs will grab as much as they can
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May 7, 2010 9:22am
JiveKitty

From the Guardian Blog:

“7.40pm:The BBC journalist Martha Kearney, who is presenting tonight’s election results programme on Radio 4, could be in trouble.

My colleague Matt Wells points out that she appears to have broken the BBC’s election rules by tweeting the following:

Senior Tory tells me they have small overall majority.

and this:

Lab campaign source tells they think 310-320 for Cons; 280 for Lab. 71% turnout”

They’ve been deleted now.
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May 7, 2010 9:25am
Inventory2

Here’s some light entertainment to keep you amused as we wait to see if Gordon Brown is the former PM of Britain

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/05/election-night-special.html
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May 7, 2010 9:45am
Redbaiter

Wonder when Sonic is going to show up and blame the collapse of the Greek economy on unbridled capitalism.
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May 7, 2010 9:57am
david

Heard on radio report this morning following a plane crash in which a British MP was (badly?) injured.

” No-one who witnessed the plane crash could believe that anyone could walk away from it. But the badly injured Mr Farage was helped from the wreckage …”

Never let the facts get in the way of a good cliche I say
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May 7, 2010 9:59am
Fletch

I see that a rates revolt is brewing in Auckland. Citizens and councils are considering a plan whereby any rates paid are put into a temporary financial management fund or escrow until there has been more time and thought given about the so-called Super City.

Citizens and councils are considering a legal rebellion ‘No vote, no pay’ local body boycott , writes John Landrigan.

Sire, sire, the peasants are revolting.

The well-worn line may not be the most diplomatic way to summarise the actions of the region’s irate ratepayers, but it looks as if it is becoming accurate.

The Aucklander is now presenting the Auckland region with its only chance to vote “yes or no” to the Government’s plans to merge our eight councils. A select committee is due to report to Parliament on May 24 with its proposals for the third and final Act to shunt the changes through.

In the meantime, a council-backed rates revolt is the latest action proposed to stop the amalgamation and the public’s assets being put in the hands of Wellington-appointed boards.

The concept: ratepayers could put their rates into a temporary financial management fund until Auckland’s voice is heard.

It has the backing of some current city councillors and at least one deputy mayor.

Long-time bureaucrat battler and water rights campaigner Penny Bright is addressing all councils – except Auckland City because Mayor John Banks refused her speaking rights – on the idea of setting up an “escrow” fund.

Holding rates money in escrow, according to Ms Bright, would allow more time to hold an official vote on the Government’s fast, sweeping changes.

MORE
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May 7, 2010 10:00am
MikeNZ

wreck1080 (1024) Says:
May 7th, 2010 at 8:31 am

John Davy wasn’t female, non-European and a friend of Helen Clarks and her mates I presume.

Also it might be said that his employment wasn’t directly attributable to the State Services Commission and all the other state whatevers that govern top appointments?
Plus as he embarrassed the tight whomever, he needed to be made an example of?
maybe he was just unlucky, I’m told by lawyer friends that the judiciary is a crapshoot some days.
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May 7, 2010 10:03am
david

Conman or not, Davey was reported to be very good at his job unlike the performance issues demonstrated by Thomson. logical outcomes? – [cue tui ad]
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May 7, 2010 10:11am
MikeNZ

Just read the piece David did.
I thought a con man was one who lied.
Seems they both did and she from within with high patronage.
and the claim of a PhD was not crucial to her getting the jobs she gained

so why make such a fuss of it if it wasn’t crucial.
Did she lie and was the level of lying the same?
Angels on apinhead to me.

It leaves a taste in my mouth like that retrospective law so that Dunhovan (Labour) could stay an MP when he broke the law by getting a 2nd citizenship.
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May 7, 2010 10:14am
Fletch

Ps, there is also a people’s petition re; the Super City that can be filled out HERE.
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May 7, 2010 10:17am
Sonny Blount

So what should they do Steve? Nothing? And just keep watching their own abuse and keep taking the abuse from all those who think they know better?

I think it should be supported and given a go. If it doesn’t work then try something else. The status quo is not delivering.

Or maybe you have a better suggestion?

Perhaps the same or similar as those parts of society that Maori lag behind statistically.

There’s no Honky Ora and those people supposedly are doing better. (until the golden eggs run out that is)
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May 7, 2010 10:21am
MikeNZ

Honky Ora
That would look good on a T Shirt!
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May 7, 2010 10:49am
Jack5

New topic for a moment.

Another good reason why the ~~drugs~~ oops, booze industry needs to be tightly regulated.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10643201
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May 7, 2010 11:11am
kaya

Jack5 – “Another good reason why the drugs oops, booze industry needs to be tightly regulated.”

I was just about to post on that. I’m certainly not in favour of nanny state regulation but this is something I have felt strongly about for a long time. RTDs are specifically aimed at the young and getting them hooked on alcohol. Yes they are convenient and I even know a couple of adult friends who have one from time to time but they are aimed at youth, plain and simple. This is one of the few times I believe something should be banned.

All RTDs and premixes should be taken from the shelves.
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May 7, 2010 11:32am
philu

at last…!..an explanation for the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers that lurk in these parts..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/neanderthals-bred-with-early-humans/

(and they begat the tories….)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 7, 2010 11:38am
MikeNZ

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/03/usama-bin-laden-living-comfortably-iran-documentary-asserts/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/05/irans-ties-to-al-qaeda/?page=2
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/05/syrias-record-intact/

and people in UK think Israel is the biggest risk for war and mayhem in the world.
The one report says a lot about the USA abilities, if someone gives the Us a way of pinpointing Osama to within 1km sq and they still can’t get to him?
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May 7, 2010 11:41am
MikeNZ

Kaya
A family member stays with us who is at UNI and they drink RTD’s, theyhave one or two and never get drunk.
So you say we should ban something because it does such harm to people?
What about all the many people like my family member who don’t get pissed like the idiots on RTD’s?

We are fighting that same lazy mentality in WTN as our city councillors look to ban ALL people from having a drink in public because the NZPolice can’t deal with drunks in Newtown.
All the evidence shows Courtney Place and the allyways nearby to be a problem area after 12 midnight, But they aren’t being closed to protect people.
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May 7, 2010 11:45am
kaya

MikeNZ – I hear you and agree with most of what you say, but surely you have to agree the brightly coloured lolly water on the market is aimed at the youth? Some of the RTDs are more mature but too many are well named alcopops. Bright purple, orange, green etc with relatively high alcohol content and a shitload of sugar to make them taste like lemonade.

If you follow that link that Jack5 gave you will see what I am saying. An 8% alcohol, bright red lolly water drink called Bigfoot is aimed at nothing else but someone (mainly very young) getting absolutely trashed as quickly as possible. There is not even a pretense at telling people how to drink sensibly.
As I said, I have friends who drink RTDs from time to time. I have even had the odd one but I see them for what they are.

If cigarettes were packaged like that and made to taste like chocolate I think their might be some outrage?
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May 7, 2010 12:00pm
Ryan Sproull

I enjoyed posting the Make a Wish heartwarming link earlier this week.

So here is another. Power of half.
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May 7, 2010 12:23pm
Kris K

MikeNZ 11:41 am,

and people in UK think Israel is the biggest risk for war and mayhem in the world.

Of course it is, Mike!
If only Israel would roll over and play dead – that would be the end of Middle East conflict, and perhaps, even, global conflict. Those damn pesky Israelis JUST WON’T capitulate and die.

… anyone would think they have a God-given right, or something …
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May 7, 2010 12:52pm
Jack5

Re Philu’s rave and abuse of fellow readers at 11.38

New followers of Kiwiblog may be mystified by the attack on other readers by Philu. Below I post a piece from five years ago on Kiwiblog in which Philu details his own background.

Philu sometimes lapses into strings of hard-to-follow comments disrupted by such abuse of grammar as to make them almost unintelligible. These may be an attempt to publicise his own lonely, ignored blog. If you find these outbursts hard to ignore, there is software available for the Firefox web browser which allows you to strip them out of Kiwiblog.

I find it interesting that on Philu’s own desolate, widely ignored blog, he professes to hate racism, yet he shows strong prejudice against Neanderthals. Bit like allegedly part-Jewish Hitler hating Jews?

^^^
KIWBLOG: February 14th, 2005

My name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter.

my lineage is irish, scots, welsh; filtered through five generations in this wonderful country. (did anyone see connolly last night, whoar!)

i have travelled/lived in aust, usa, europe, china/asia and other parts of the planet.

i loathe racists with an intensity that is visceral.

i find that if you scratch a racist you will find an astounding lack of intellectual rigor. basically they are as thick as pigshit, (a trait you kimble, have excelled in)

i have a masters degree in politics, and have worked in broadcasting (radio) in usa, aust, and here.

i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).

^^^

NOTE: http://www.whoar.co.nz is still going, but seems to be ignored, judging by lack of comments from any readers.
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May 7, 2010 12:54pm
Ryan Sproull

If only Palestinians would roll over and play dead – that would be the end of Middle East conflict, and perhaps, even, global conflict. Those damn pesky Palestinians JUST WON’T capitulate and die.

… anyone would think they have a God-given right, or something …
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May 7, 2010 12:55pm
philu

“..he professes to hate racism, yet he shows strong prejudice against Neanderthals…”

(heh..!..)

..yeah..i don’t think they are yet extinct…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 7, 2010 1:04pm
MikeNZ

Yeah right Ryan

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6443YG20100505?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=174692

Here is OB1’s plan to disarm Israel so that she can be annihilated.
The only democracy in the Middle East, who has never said she would attack other nations or wipe them off the face of the earth and he is incrementally seeking to allow that to be done to her.
Whilst selling arms to and training her enemies to foot.
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May 7, 2010 1:35pm
Kris K

Ryan Sproull 12:55 pm,

If only Palestinians would roll over and play dead – that would be the end of Middle East conflict, and perhaps, even, global conflict. Those damn pesky Palestinians JUST WON’T capitulate and die.

… anyone would think they have a God-given right, or something …

Such a shame the Palestinians [sic] worship the wrong god.
And I have it on good authority that Israel’s God is going to kick the Muslim god’s arse.

Coming soon to a Middle East town near you …

… or perhaps even a global phenomenon … (could be quite a few other ‘red cheeks’ out there, too)
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May 7, 2010 1:35pm
MikeNZ

http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/32785/linked-in/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/05/syrias-record-intact/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3884215,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050405130.html

Its all doomed to fail as it’s all smoke and mirrors until they deal to the real reason.

No land for terror backed by the handwringing West
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=174794
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May 7, 2010 1:40pm
Kris K

MikeNZ 1:35 pm,

Here is OB1’s plan to disarm Israel so that she can be annihilated.
The only democracy in the Middle East, who has never said she would attack other nations or wipe them off the face of the earth and he is incrementally seeking to allow that to be done to her.
Whilst selling arms to and training her enemies to foot.

And if the US persists in supporting the Obomination administration in this, then watch the US continue to move into irrelevancy …

[Ref: Gen 12:1-3]
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May 7, 2010 1:43pm
MikeNZ

Katrina et al
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May 7, 2010 3:18pm
thedavincimode

mickysavage

“So can someone tell me what this Whanau Ora policy means?

Will hard working kiwi taxpayers be getting value for money?”

Ya know, sometimes you just can’t help but admire the brazen and shameless way mickey & the mickettes deny the nine years that “hard working kiwi taxpayers” copped a right royal Rekers in the fiscal exhaust from Dr Lucien and his frightful chum the social dominatrix. That would be an uncut eight inches of shamelessness.
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May 7, 2010 6:37pm
thedavincimode

I really can’t be bothered with the sign in bollocks over at No Minister …

So Gooner, if you’re watching, your suggestion that we buy Greece is nothing short of inspired – the kind of thinking that is well beyond the grasp of the sorry-arsed and visionless done nothing that counts pinkos that used to run our joint. Hopefully JK will pick up on this.

The poms are fucked, the yanks are too preoccupied, the Aussies are ruled by fuckwit, so our only competition will be the Russkies (too hot & sunny for them – they’ll go all lobster like) the Chinese who are more likely to want peanut oil than olive oil, and the Arabs who I see as the real competition. But if we’re quick, and sneaky, we might just pull it off.

Well done Gooner.
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May 7, 2010 7:06pm
maxwell

Dav, I can’t be bothered with the sign in bollocks over at No Minister either, but anyway
with the bubble and squeaks being 300 billion (!!) quid out the back door don’t you think
that buying them out might be a bit out of our reach ?

We’re not exactly flush ourselves, borrowing 240 million a week, but I admire the chutzpah.
Maybe we could send all our surplus civil servants over there to placate the angry hordes.

How could a country of 14 million get 300 billion quid in debt ?
Keeping an eye on what your politicians are up to is a tedious but necessary evil.
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May 7, 2010 10:05pm
thedavincimode

no no no maxwell. Its got negative NTA – we’ll pick it up for a song if we’re in quick. But to pick up on your point, we should go for vacant possession.

It’ll be just like JK having his condo in Hawaii – but much much better. And as for sending civil servants there, to hell with that – they can stay home and do some real bloody work for a change. It’ll be us mate, sitting on the terrace, looking out over the med, a cool libation at hand …

JK can get the whole tourism thing going, and we can use the tourism revenues to subsidise the cost of holidays there for all those families who’ve had parents working double shifts whilst Klerk’nco shafted them and let deadbeats like the mad magpie suck on the fiscal tit. Maybe we could have the rugby world cup final up there – the hotel revenue from that alone would pay off the national debt …
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May 8, 2010 4:28am
big bruv

Another great start to the weekend.

Crusaders and Kiwi bulrush team lose, Hurricanes win and Gordon Brown is out on his arse.

It does not get much better than that.
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