General Debate 6 May 2010

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MikeNZ

Dompost covering Vampires in Wellington, didn’t they know treasury is here 🙂
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May 6, 2010 8:58am
Redbaiter

Fair and balanced Fox News reports its highest profit ever with a 33% rise in revenue. Rupert Murdoch thanks Fox News detractors for helping drive the company’s finances to such succesful heights. Meanwhile, left wing mainstream media outlets lose money as they stubbornly continue to place politics above profit. NZ broadcasters should take note.
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May 6, 2010 8:59am
toad

Does anyone here have any idea which Peter Saunders Paula Bennett has appointed to advise the Welfare Working Group?
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May 6, 2010 9:02am
philu

didyasee this..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/trade-mission-to-blunderlandthe-trip-to-saudi-arabia-bahrain-united-arab-emirates-and-kuwait-was-a-cross-between-the-beverly-hillbillies-and-speed-dating/

(have you righties noticed yet how the honeymoon is over..?

how things all around you are going kinds pear-shaped..?

hang in there..!..

..it’s gonna be a rough ride for you..

..and i tell you what…

..a labour party..(and a green party)..campaigning on taking gst off food…

..will wipe the floor with you lot…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 9:06am
Pete George

Phil, if the Labour Party are talking about taking GST off food they are further from recovery than I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/gst-food-could-go-under-labour-3523018

Cunliffe said this morning that the move was being considered.

He also confirmed that there are discussions within the party to exempt food from GST, following a policy already in place in some countries including the UK.

However, Cunliffe told Radio New Zealand the proposed move has not yet been discussed by the Labour caucus.

Looks like they ARE further from recovery than I thought. Nuts.
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May 6, 2010 9:14am
Simon

Peak stealing from the productive.

is the point in time when the maximum rate of extraction from the productive is reached, after which the rate of extraction enters terminal decline. And then you end looking like Greece.
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May 6, 2010 9:25am
side show bob

Philu you noddy have you noticed what the government in Greece has achieved in the last few decades, tremendous. Such a shining example of socialism, big bloated government. Taking GST off food, oh fucking please, like that is going to solve the problems of the country. Things are going pear shape because brain dead progressive come socialist politicians just never fucking learn and that includes the shower that run this joint.
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May 6, 2010 9:26am
redeye

“Fair and balanced Fox News reports its highest profit ever with a 33% rise in revenue. ”

Shock jocks do really well all over the world. It seems those on the right have more time to watch their prejudices repeated on the box than any other group.
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May 6, 2010 9:28am
philu

and you..peter george..are more of a rightwinger..than even you think..

..eh..?

how about you tell us how such a move..(already policy in many countries)..that would help the poorest the most…

..(a real ‘tax-cut’..eh..?..not just for the rich..eh..?..)

..is a ‘bad’ idea..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 9:35am
philu

and those who clamour that we just move further to the right are just sounding more and more like ridiculous-ideologues..

..who are hopelessly out of touch..

..with what both the middle-class..and the working-class..are facing in their day to day lives..

..eh..?

(and how is that ‘working for families’ working out for you..bloody hands bob..?

..now that your ‘affairs’ are arranged into a trust..

..it’d be a good little earner for you..wouldn’t it..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 9:38am
Chthoniid

And just because some of you might appreciate the ironies

Illustrations of Muhammad by Muslims through the ages- http://bit.ly/6rIVQi

& Polish pop-singer faced hefty sanctions for blasphemy – http://bit.ly/cEIj1Z
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May 6, 2010 9:43am
krazykiwi

@Chthoniid –

Dorota Rabczewska, famed for an unabashed attitude when it comes to flaunting her flesh, and a string of hits

Hits. Yes I should think so.
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May 6, 2010 9:46am
philu

the stench of hypocrisy around you..bloody hands bob..is somewhat overwhelming..

..you sit there..a member of a ‘socialist-workers-co-op)..fonterra..with yr affairs ‘arranged ‘ so you pay s.f.a. in tax..

..and are ‘eligible’ for helen clarks’ bribe to the middle class..'(the deeply-ironically-named working for (some) families’…

.and from behind all this..you pour out your rightwing class-hatred/bile…

..care to explain…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 9:48am
Chthoniid

@krazykiwi

I confess to being somewhat more interested in checking her music out. Afterall, I’ve survived Chinese pop-music. I suspect though, I’ll be disappointed.
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May 6, 2010 9:54am
nickb

Lol philu bob would have contributed countless thousands of dolalrs to the NZ conomy in his lifetime…

It defies belief that you have the cheek to criticise the largest and most important part of the NZ economy, when it is tireless farmers like bob that sustain your worthless parasitical lifestyle….

It is people like you that are the reason our country is fucked, there is more of you it seems then hardworking people working to support you nowadays.

Pity people like you, voting based on which govt will give them the biggest handout, is the reason our country will never be great again, and is totally in the shitter
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May 6, 2010 10:08am
philu

i am actually ‘criticising’ the wholesale hypocrisy of bloody hands bob..

he who lives a ‘socialist-life’..

but parades around in rightwing drag…

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:12am
Murray

Hey phol have you noticed that no one pays any attention to fucktard convited violent offender who is still predicting Helen clark to win the last election except to kick the crap out of yoy.

Get a job blood sucker.
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May 6, 2010 10:13am
philu

and speaking of ‘rightwing-drag’..here’s muzza…!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:16am
side show bob

I feel not one jolt of hypocrisy thanks Philu. You see drop kick I have learned to look at the world thru progressive eyes. When you socialist fucks introduced WFF I saw it for what it is, a plain and simple bribe to the middle classes. I was very much against WFF but I soon got over this for one simple reason. As a family we were entitled to WFF, point one, I didn’t write the rules the socialist criminals did. Point two and why I claim WFF. A good progressive will despise the right and one of the ways a progressive and a progressive system will attempt to gain power will be to collapse the system in place. Myself and my family do not require WFF, it is now simply paying our tax. What you fail to understand phil if everyone who is entitled to WFF claimed it this would put such pressure on the system it simply can’t sustain itself any longer. Of course you will not believe this, I really don’t fucking care, it’s the best way I can see how to kick this crap to the curb. I would encourage everyone to claim WFF. We didn’t introduce or write this law, why start spewing when we take advantage of it.
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May 6, 2010 10:17am
philu

see what i mean..?..about the rank/stinking hypocrisies of the likes of bloody hands bob..?

..they spend their time sneering at sole-parents..from one side of their mouth..

..while saying ‘yes please!’ from the other side of their mouth..

..as they take personal advantage..(and possibly more money than said sole-parent).. of the inequities built into clarks-scheme..

..and arrange their affairs…so they ‘qualify’..of course..!..for a nice dollop of what they preach against..

(if i cd draw a parrallal..it’d be like a vegan-butcher…eh..?

in the life totally contradicting what comes from the mouth..)

and they expect ‘credibility’..?

meh..!…eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:26am
philu

see bloody hands bob snivel..!..see bloody hands bob squirm..!

and that’s a hoot..!..eh..?..he’s only taking wff..so he can help to collapse the system…

..as part of his personal rightwing ‘struggle’…

hands up all who believe him..!

c’mon now..!..there must be someone..?

phil(whoar.co.n)
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May 6, 2010 10:30am
Chthoniid

Please don’t feed the troll folks.
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May 6, 2010 10:32am
side show bob

You didn’t take that well, did you!
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May 6, 2010 10:33am
philu

“..Myself and my family do not require WFF, it is now simply paying our tax…”

so..you’re admitting to being just another gouging-trougher..?

how are you not..?

(and all in yr own words..eh..?..)

dear me..!..your shining righwing cloak really has a very grubby hem..eh..?

..bloody-hands-bob..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:38am
philu

“..You didn’t take that well, did you!..”

um..!..hasn’t the penny dropped for you yet..?

y’see..in yr own words..

you have revealed yrself as the embodiment of almost everything you rail against..?

..from now on..bloody hands bob is just that tw0-faced trougher…who ‘scams’ the system..

.eh..?

and it was all in yr own words..

..eh..?

i just ‘drew you out’…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:41am
philu

i suggest you retire now..eh..?

you are standing before us naked..

..and it is becoming embarrassing for all..

..but mostly you..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 6, 2010 10:44am
side show bob

I’ve paid hundreds of thousands of tax dollars in my working life phil, if my life circumstances change and I can structure my business to pay less tax, I will do so, it’s the name of the game. You can rant and rave all you like, if you want to spew your ring out get upset with those who introduce and write such laws. Get with program phil, you idiot progressives wrote it, you are really pissed because there are some that will beat you in your own game.
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May 6, 2010 10:48am
Murray

Straight jacket for the drug crazy loony.

Go dry out you dickhead.
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May 6, 2010 10:55am
gravedodger

Oh My God Bob please listen to Chthoniid. That useless example of all that welfare has delivered us can not rationally debate any subject as the remnants of the intellect is still being rearranged with unspecified chemicals and as illustrated above the dribble just gets bigger and more distorted.
ps I read recently police concerns about the rising potency of weed in New Zealand and I detect a not so subtle connection here.
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May 6, 2010 10:57am
Ryan Sproull

What happens when just about everyone’s using Roundup-resistant crops growing in Roundup-soaked soil?

The weeds evolve to deal with it.

There are now 10 strains of “superweeds”, with nature doing for weeds what scientists worked for years to do for crops. Much like the antibiotic-resistant supergerms, if you hit a fast-breeding population with something that kills almost all of them, the ones that survive are likely to be variations of resistance that become dominant.
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May 6, 2010 11:06am
side show bob

Point taken gravedodger, I have to go and do some work anyway. I just enjoy teasing the demented one.
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May 6, 2010 11:07am
stephen

Ryan, hope they aren’t surprised. Also perhaps a little surprising that the resistance is so localised, would’ve expected it to be a roughly widespread phenomenon, though perhaps unaffected states aren’t really in the farming business.
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May 6, 2010 11:15am
Grizz

Big drop in unemployment today. Down 1%. Philu, time to get a job!
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May 6, 2010 11:15am
stephen

How about that 6% unemployment rate then?

edit: Dammit Grizz!
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May 6, 2010 11:15am
Bevan

TOAD: Does anyone here have any idea which Peter Saunders Paula Bennett has appointed to advise the Welfare Working Group?

One can only hope it was the guy from CIS.
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May 6, 2010 11:17am
Grizz

Stephen. would like to see it lower, but it is a start!
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May 6, 2010 11:22am
big bruv

Toad

“Does anyone here have any idea which Peter Saunders Paula Bennett has appointed to advise the Welfare Working Group?”

Does anybody care Toad?

And BTW, you might want to tell that idiot Delahunty to sit down and not embarrass herself by asking questions in the house, she made a complete hash of it yesterday, it is not the first time either.
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May 6, 2010 11:22am
starboard

..a labour party..(and a green party)..campaigning on taking gst off food…

..will wipe the floor with you lot…

..liarbour/watermelons are irrelevant now whore..ya pissing in the wind cheering for them…heh..a loser cheering on losers..
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May 6, 2010 11:29am
adrianb

I think Phil has a point here: if you want to parade around calling other people parasites, Bob, it would help if you yourself contributed to our tax base. Your rhetoric here is somewhat more grand than your actions.
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May 6, 2010 11:29am
stephen

Stephen. would like to see it lower, but it is a start!

Should be some pretty annoying crowing by the nats in parliament the next few days/weeks/months i’d say, they’ll be some happy-chappies/chapettes.
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May 6, 2010 11:30am
big bruv

Now it is clear why the Nat’s raised the tax on tobacco.

The female co leader of the apartheid party has just announced that the whanua ora programme is going to be given around 160 million in funding.
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May 6, 2010 11:52am
nickb

Lol bruv just watched some youtube, don’t generally watch the house in session as there was generally more intelligence and civility on display in a primary school lunchtime food fight.

But have been watching some lately and see what you mean about Delahunty, have the greens sunk so low that they have actually started recruiting MP’s from mental hospitals?

The lady is crazy, she can’t even put a cogent sentence together
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May 6, 2010 11:56am
Tim Ellis

Labour MPs seem to have come down with a nasty case of gastroenteritis, with several MPs reported spewing wildly this morning.

In other, unrelated news, the household labour force survey has seen a huge drop in unemployment in the March quarter.
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May 6, 2010 11:59am
Jack5

New topic for a mo..

The Spiegel story linked to below has two lessons for NZ – one on where to buy its railway gear, the other on why China is interested in NZ dairying. The latter is so that it can suck up our technology and flatten us on world markets, as they are doing in rail technology. Note the huge subsidies the Chinese State gives by covering operational losses.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,692969,00.html
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May 6, 2010 12:20pm
Rex Widerstrom

Apropos of nothing that has gone before, I just had to share this.

Some idiot working for Hoyts clearly has no idea that, considering you can’t kern the text in email headers, you need to be careful what you write and possibly avoid using ALL CAPS at times…

I was momentarily left wondering why my spam filter hadn’t worked when an email arrived advertising: FLICKS FOR CHICKS.
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May 6, 2010 3:13pm
raay

Excellent summary of the ETS lunacy here:
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/images/PDFs/self-inflicted_wounds%26sloppy_science.pdf
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May 6, 2010 4:49pm
krazykiwi

Thanks raay. A good speech from Hide.
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May 6, 2010 5:03pm
Hurf Durf

Does anyone know if the government may back down to the Donkey Punchers due to Saturday’s overblown sojourn?

Newsweak is for sale. I hope Murdoch buys it.
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May 6, 2010 5:20pm
Viking2

Tax Matters.
Todays headline about the many millions made from bonus shares by the managers of NZX.
Now us poor property investors haver taken a pasting for our unscrupulous ripping off of the taxpayer and the argument was that we should be taxed on our ill gotten gains.
My question (and I don’t know the answer but someone out there will), is: are these fellows paying any tax, either capital gains tax or any income tax on these windfall profits, which are incidentally much greater than I can make on a house in a year or even five.?
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May 6, 2010 5:57pm
Viking2

Here it is.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3665905/Weldon-cashes-in-bonus-shares

Weldon cashes in bonus shares
By PATTRICK SMELLIE – BusinessWire
Last updated 16:47 06/05/2010
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NZX chief executive Mark Weldon has cashed in more than 6 million bonus shares issued the bourse operator’s profit distribution plan, netting about $11.7 million, based on the strike price of $1.8728 per share.

Chairman Andrew Harmos and senior executive Geoff Brown also elected to take cash out the majority of their bonus share entitlements, which were offered in lieu of NZX’s 6.5 cents per share dividend for 2009.

Harmos sold 184,724 bonus shares for $345,951 and Brown disposed of 599,084 shares for $1.12 million, the disclosure statement shows.

NZX offered the bonus shares at a 3.5 percent discount to their prevailing price in late March.
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May 6, 2010 6:01pm
Robert Black

It seems apparent to me that the big drop in umemployment is due to WINZ finally cracking the whip.

When it becomes a choice of working or starving generally dole bludgers will get off their couch potato, weed smoking asses.

What a shock it must be to some of them.
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May 6, 2010 6:41pm
Viking2

Why don’t you try looking for a job in a town where you have no friends to fall back on. You may well than appreciate how difficult it can be. Try walking in someone elses shoes for a while.
OK so there are some bluggers out there but there is still a lot of people that have been laid off for lack of work and the results are yet to be permanent.
We have yet to see how many have been shifted into other programs and we have yet to add on those that have gone back to school or uni because there were no jobs.
Education enrollment is up about 20% and you and I are funding that.
Apply some thinking to your attitudes.

p.s. In my recent experience the Winz guys work hard to place people especially the young ones who are locked out of employment by the useless National Govt and their refusal to allow youth rates.
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May 6, 2010 6:57pm
wreck1080

What is this whanau ora?

From what I can tell , it is an organisation that will act as personal assistants to poor maoris, helping them fill in forms and acting on behalf of maori families to extract maximum benefits from social welfare .
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May 6, 2010 7:11pm
Manolo

“What is this whanau ora? ”

It’s another sop to the racist Maori Party. Neville Key’s way of bribing them to get along to vote with the National Party when the time comes to inflict higher taxes on the rest of us, e.g., ACC, ETS.

You can also see it as quid-pro-quo for passing the seabed and foreshore legislation, where the Maori Party gets its deadly wishes against the rest of the population.

In the vocabulary of the National Party’s minions and acolytes the process is called democracy or MMP accommodation. For me it reeks of expediency and a complete lack of principles. Political cowardice at its worst.
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May 6, 2010 7:29pm
wreck1080

I don’t get it. What frontline services will whanau ora actually provide?

How is a maori fellah on the street going to benefit?
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May 6, 2010 7:55pm
Tauhei Notts

Lovely small terakihi for tea tonight, then I went to the Tv room to watch parliament. As I sipped on my delightful chardonnay I saw delayed coverage of Toerag Henare and some moll from Nelson who’s tongue in groove partner has expensive tastes in travel. They were spouting about the Waikato Raupatu claim. I watched as they waxed eloquently about how the Waikato River and its tributaries are so majestic and are hallowed ground.
Then I thought; if you were travelling north along highway one and the rain was falling and you were approaching the intersection with highway 29 at Piarere (just north of Tirau, before you get to Cambridge); your wipers would be going in the rain; and you would look out and see that the raindrops to the left of your motor car were hallowed raindrops because they would fall into the Waikato River catchment, but those raindrops to the right of your car; they are nothing raindrops; they will fall into the Piako River catchment and that river does not have the divine rights of the Waikato River.
This is fucking bullshit.
I was reminded of my mate who exclaimed;
“If I want to listen to shit, I’ll fart”.
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