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May 30, 2010 10:33am by David Farrar

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Hurf Durf

I’m gonna give Matt McMoron credit: he’s a twat, but he makes me consistently angry whenever I expose myself to his muck. I’m not even as angry about Barky anymore. Good job.
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May 30, 2010 4:15pm
reid

“I don’t know that Latte deserves the label of ‘expert’”

He’s on the way to becoming one. His background is counselling children who commit sex crimes. He’s obviously moved into others areas now but that’s where he comes from.

So he’s got knowledge of how to deal with some of most extreme cases and I guess that helps when he’s dealing with normal people or normies as we like to call ourselves.

I was pretty impressed with what Sophie Elliot’s mother had to say about him on a doco I saw. He’d worked with her for two years and she couldn’t say enough about him.
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May 30, 2010 4:24pm
reid

“If you can’t have a debate without calling someone a psychopath then stick to your own blog”

DPF, what do we do when we want to talk about someone who really is a psychopath?
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May 30, 2010 4:30pm
Kris K

Johnboy 3:48 pm,

Where’ve you been, Johnboy, haven’t seen your cheery face ’round these parts for a while?
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May 30, 2010 4:34pm
AlphaKiwi

@dad4justice
Real names aren’t necessary. Being wise with what you write online is sensible.

Online privacy experts say you should give as little real information as possible online for one’s own protection.

Real moderation on blogs and in forums is what is needed.
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May 30, 2010 4:43pm
nickb

“Real moderation in forums is what is needed.”

Absolutely AlphaKiwi…
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May 30, 2010 4:45pm
Johnboy

Up on the mountain keeping the sheep warm Kris.

Now it looks like I’ll have to head back up there and cull out all the black ones to fit in with Aunties racist theories as discussed on the next post.

Bugger!
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May 30, 2010 4:46pm
Patrick Starr

fuck reid. I dont agree with some of your points of view, but I appreciate your humour LOL
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May 30, 2010 4:53pm
Kris K

Reid 3:25 pm,

Kris, there’s no argument the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination but as you can see, it also lists lots of other things likewise, such as Egyptians and Hebrews eating bread together.

How about condemning them, sometime.

LeftRightOut 3:30 pm,

reid, Kris is a new testament xian, so ignores the OT, UNLESS there is something there to confirm his prejuudices. He doesn’t care about Africans and Hebrews eating together, just men have congress together.

Actually, Reid, LRO os closer to the truth than you might think.
Homosexuality is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments, whereas “Egyptians and Hebrews eating bread together”, as mentioned in Genesis, is actually speaking from the Egyptian perspective, not the Hebrew, and in no way, shape, or form translates to a NT requirement:

Gen 43:32 And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians.

Of course eating pork was also condemned in the OT for the Jews, and God also required the Jews to sacrifice animals for their sins – neither of these two Jewish OT requirements are restipulated in the NT for Christians under the new covenant.

But, in general, I do try to be an ‘equal opportunity’ condemner of those things which carry over into NT teaching – Paul is ‘the man’ in that respect – most liberal Christians really hate Paul.

And I agree with you in one sense, Reid, it is extremely important to “rightly divide” God’s word. Many people wrongly apply OT Jewish requirements to NT Christians (eg Jewish dietry laws, for example), and end up getting themselves in a power of trouble. But as a general rule, unless something from the OT is restipulated in the NT then it isn’t for Christians who are under the new (better) covenant – Grace versus Law; Internal Change versus External Requirements.
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May 30, 2010 5:04pm
reid

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, Kris.
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May 30, 2010 5:11pm
kaya

Congratulations to the All White’s, it may have been a friendly but still a great achievement to beat the 15th ranked team.

Talking about football, hasn’t big money made a total horses arse of the beautiful game? From Gillett and Hicks at my club, Liverpool FC to the Glazers at Utd they have come close to wrecking the clubs. Good to see a bit of groundswell from the fans to take back control.

http://www.supporters-direct.org/news/item.asp?n=8985
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May 30, 2010 5:23pm
Yvette

PRIME 5.30 NEWS has just suggested food prices in supermarkets may increase by 2% due to power ETS increases but had a credibility hiccup saying GST would rise by 1.5%.
However if the suggestion regarding the pass-on of increases may be 2% is roughly correct, that, plus the GST, will see basics up 4.5% which must about eliminate the tax breaks.
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May 30, 2010 5:41pm
Michael

I found the Serbian supporters disturbing – I read that they we’re chanting “knife, wire, Srebrenica” during the match. Not nice.
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May 30, 2010 5:42pm
reid

“which must about eliminate the tax breaks”

Depends on your disposable income Yvette. People struggling will still struggle no matter how you design the finite variables. What needs to happen IMO is for those people who are struggling to have an explanation in precise, easy steps tailored to their situation, as to what they need to do to work themselves into comfortable middle-class.

Unfortunately, it would mean ditching all the appalling and self-perpetuating envy-bullshit which the left pours petrol on to create itself a market, so it’s not going to happen in a hurry.
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May 30, 2010 5:46pm
JiveKitty

Condemn the sin if you wish, but given the belief in God-given free will don’t condemn the legalisation or failure to make illegal that which you believe to be immoral but which does not harm those other than those engaging in the practice/s?
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May 30, 2010 5:49pm
Kris K

Reid 5:11 pm,

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, Kris.

Surely you’re not suggesting we should ignore sin in society?!
I mean seriously, if I said that it is wrong to murder am I being judgemental? Or, for that matter, that adultery is wrong, or to lust, or to covet, or to lie, or bear false witness … ?

Or that homosexuality is wrong?

No one is ‘casting stones’, but remember what Christ’s reply was to the woman caught in adultery, and who was about to be stoned by the crowd:

Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
…
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
…
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Notice the “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more” – while Christ didn’t condemn her either, He certainly made it clear that she should not continue in her sin. Do you understand the difference? Do you see what Christ is saying?

Surely the job of the Christian is to, as did Christ, tell people to “go, and sin no more”.

I’m really struggling to see whether you’re serious, or whether you’re playing devil’s advocate – I mean this is pretty fundamental stuff for those in Christ, Reid.
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May 30, 2010 5:54pm
AlphaKiwi

@reid
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

The passage in the bible where that quote comes from is not in all manuscripts. It’s a point of contention as to whether it should be included or not. Lol!
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May 30, 2010 5:54pm
kaya

Looks like the US Federal Reserve might get audited yet, even after Senator Ron Paul’s original proposal was watered down so much it became meaningless. This will be a set of books worth looking at.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/;kw=%5B36899,157778%5D?RS_show_page=0
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May 30, 2010 6:02pm
Kris K

JiveKitty 5:49 pm,

Condemn the sin if you wish, but given the belief in God-given free will don’t condemn the legalisation or failure to make illegal that which you believe to be immoral but which does not harm those other than those engaging in the practice/s?

“Harm” is such a relative term, Jive.
And so called “God-given free will” has definite boundaries which God has made abundantly clear. Our laws used to pretty much acknowledge this fact – but not any more, sadly, and at the cost of an increasingly degrading and morally corrupt society.
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May 30, 2010 6:02pm
Johnboy

Looks like your conversion-rate from sin city to the paths of righteousness is about the same as last time I was hereabouts Kris.

Though your fervour seems undiminished.

Deep down do you ever despair for the sinners?
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May 30, 2010 6:08pm
Viking2

Nats down to 49%. slippery slope from there.
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May 30, 2010 6:11pm
reid

Kris, my issue with people who insist on condemning homosexuality based on the Bible is that the argument’s logic hinges on the proposition that sexuality is a choice. Correct me if I’m wrong but the summarised version is:

The Bible has several passages that condemn homosexuality.

Given that, I the faithful believer condemn it as sin.

G-d instructs us to love others and forgive their sins.

Therefore I condemn the sin but forgive the sinner.

A sin by definition is not something involuntary. The sinner has a choice. If they don’t have a choice it’s not a sin because they can’t prevent it even if they wanted to.

That’s about it, isn’t it.

So I submit to you that sexuality is not a free choice that can be influenced by will power.
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May 30, 2010 6:13pm
Inventory2

Labour unchanged though Viking. And Goff is still Mr 6%
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May 30, 2010 6:13pm
Kris K

Johnboy 6:08 pm,

Deep down do you ever despair for the sinners?

Continually, Johnboy.
How can one not despair when the evidence of sin confronts us on a daily basis? – those murdered, raped, sexually abused, tortured, hated, … those wretches driven to suicide, those that drink themselves to death, those that try to find oblivion through drugs, those driven to prostitution, those that try to find gratification through a hedonistic lifestyle but who only end up more unhappy and more unfulfilled …

… and ultimately I despair for those that will go into a Christless eternity.

Sometimes I even despair for you, Johnboy – just as I know God does.
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May 30, 2010 6:24pm
JiveKitty

Don’t despair Kris! Embrace universalism! 😀 My friend did. She couldn’t reconcile an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god to the concept of Hell. Is Hell mentioned in the New Testament? Haven’t read the Bible in a while.
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May 30, 2010 6:39pm
Kris K

Reid 6:13 pm,

Kris, my issue with people who insist on condemning homosexuality based on the Bible is that the argument’s logic hinges on the proposition that sexuality is a choice.
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So I submit to you that sexuality is not a free choice that can be influenced by will power.

Sexuality is not a choice IMO – we are either male or female; heterosexual. But even if that were not the case, any sexual expression is condemned outside of biblical marriage – whether you be heterosexual or otherwise. Remember, God condemns fornication just as strongly as homsexual acts.

God never condemns us for something outside of our control. The fact that He condemns homosexuality, and fornication for that matter, in both the Old and New Testaments reveals that participating in homosexual sex is very much a choice the individual makes – just as is the choice to commit fornication. And in both cases these are “free choice[s]”, and an expression of the individual’s “will power”.

God will judge each of us for rejecting His will, and imposing our own – and each will be without excuse – especially those who have heard the gospe messagel.

And as an after thought; you could use your rationale to justify the pedophile’s choice to participate in underage sex – a very slippery slope indeed!
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May 30, 2010 6:46pm
reid

“Is Hell mentioned in the New Testament?”

Forget about Revelations, did we?

“reconcile an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god to the concept of Hell”

It’s quite easy. All you have to understand is that life is a battle between us and them. It always has been and will continue that way until it doesn’t anymore. That’s all you have to know.

Told you it was easy.
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May 30, 2010 6:50pm
reid

The fact that He condemns homosexuality, and fornication for that matter, in both the Old and New Testaments reveals that participating in homosexual sex is very much a choice the individual makes – just as is the choice to commit fornication. And in both cases these are “free choice[s]“, and an expression of the individual’s “will power”.

Kris sorry mate but I don’t buy your suggested connexion between the fact G-d condemns it and the conclusion that therefore it is in fact a choice.

Care to expand on your reasoning?
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May 30, 2010 6:53pm
JiveKitty

Oh, I’m not my friend, Reid. I couldn’t reconcile an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent god to reality.

As to the question of Hell being mentioned, yes, it was silly.
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May 30, 2010 6:57pm
reid

See what worries me Kris is that you appear to be suggesting that not only gay people should stop making love but also that all fornication should cease forthwith.

I’m not sure that’s a winner.
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May 30, 2010 6:57pm
reid

You’re right though JiveKitty, hell isn’t named as such. But things like “lake of fire” give it away.
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May 30, 2010 7:00pm
Kris K

JiveKitty 6:39 pm,

Don’t despair Kris! Embrace universalism! My friend did. She couldn’t reconcile an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god to the concept of Hell. Is Hell mentioned in the New Testament? Haven’t read the Bible in a while.

[Yes, hell (the Lake of Fire) is in the NT]

Of course the reason why Christ came and died for our sins was so that we might not have to spend an eternity suffering for our sins ourself. God’s perfect love is contained in Christ’s death on the cross on our behalf. The other side of the coin, though, is that God has given us free will – the ability to choose to either accept or reject His payment for our sin.

Similarly, we cannot love God unless we choose to do so. This was God’s dilemma; He gave us the ability to choose to love Him, but as a consequence we can ALSO choose to not love Him; to reject both His love and His offer of salvation. Sadly, many choose to reject Him, and as a consequence ‘choose’ to spend eternity separated from God. The only place where God’s presence is not is in hell (the Lake of Fire), and therefore this is the only place where Christ rejectors CAN spend eternity.
The choice really is our own.

[I’m off for the evening – so I’ll bid you all goodnight]
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May 30, 2010 7:03pm
JiveKitty

Enjoy your night, Kris!

@Reid: Yes, I thought the English version had used Hell as a catch-all for a few phrases. I do wonder how apologists are able to discern what is meant to be metaphor in the Bible. As far as I can tell, it’s pick what fits with one’s own prejudices and consider the rest metaphor.
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May 30, 2010 7:07pm
Kris K

Reid 6:57 pm,

See what worries me Kris is that you appear to be suggesting that not only gay people should stop making love but also that all fornication should cease forthwith.

It’s not MY suggestion, but rather God’s command to abstain from ALL sex outside of (biblical) marriage.
Once we start to rationalise God’s word, and start to rely on our own opinions, where does it all stop? – anything can be justified; and isn’t that exactly what society has been doing? Is it not the job of Christians to stand against this tide of Godlessness overtaking our society? And if not us, then who?

[This really is goodnight]
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May 30, 2010 7:12pm
reid

“Once we start to rationalise God’s word, and start to rely on our own opinions, where does it all stop?”

So hope you’re getting the appropriate anti-leprosy treatments, Kris and certainly hoping your wife and daughters adhere to the recommended procedure during menstruation.

Etc.
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May 30, 2010 7:15pm
reid

” As far as I can tell, it’s pick what fits with one’s own prejudices and consider the rest metaphor.”

How many times have you read it from cover-to-cover, JiveKitty?

Each time you do, other layers of the onion unfold. Sure you can, as most do, read themes, and I recommend that as well. But reading it from cover to cover from Genesis 1:1 to Revelations 21:22 gives you a context for those themes bar none.

It’s the best book in the world.

Someone said once if they had to be marooned with two books, they’d choose the Bible and Shakespeare, because there’s more going on in those two than any person is ever going to uncover in their lifetime.

I agree.
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May 30, 2010 7:24pm
JiveKitty

Not many and it was a few years ago now.
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May 30, 2010 7:30pm
Hagues

Reid if you have read the Bible cover to cover then you should know that the legal requirements you just mentioned are laws pertaining to the Old Covenant (the Jewish one) and not to the New Covenant (the Christian one), so Kris has no need to follow them.
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May 30, 2010 7:48pm
Steve

Shit, is that wanker really gone? the dog botherer one? Fucking General Debate and all you get is masterbate self centered god bible bullshit.
Get a fuckin chatroom or forum, stick it where the global warming sun dont shine
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May 30, 2010 7:53pm
Steve

And now for something different, some satire/fun comment. Was on the steam wireless my Mum said, but I got it by email, amazing.

Dear Mum,

Our Scoutmaster told us to write to our parents in case you saw the flood on TV and got worried. We are okay. Only one of our tents and 2 sleeping bags got washed away. Luckily, none of us got drowned because we were all up on the mountain looking for Adam when it happened.

Oh yes, please call Adam’s mother and tell her he is okay. He can’t write because of the cast. I got to ride in one of the search and rescue Jeeps. It was great. We never would have found Adam in the dark if it hadn’t been for the lightning.

Scoutmaster Ted got mad at Adam for going on a hike alone without telling anyone. Adam said he did tell him, but it was during the fire so he probably didn’t hear him. Did you know that if you put gas on a fire, the gas will blow up?

The wet wood didn’t burn, but one of the tents did and also some of our clothes.

Matthew is going to look weird until his hair grows back.

We will be home on Saturday if Scoutmaster Ted gets the bus fixed. It wasn’t his fault about the crash. The brakes worked okay when we left. Scoutmaster Ted said that with a bus that old, you have to expect something to break down; that’s probably why he can’t get insurance.

We think it’s a super bus. He doesn’t care if we get it dirty, and if it’s hot, sometimes he lets us ride on the bumpers. It gets pretty hot with 45 people in a bus made for 24. He let us take turns riding in the trailer until the policeman stopped and talked to us.

Scoutmaster Ted is a neat guy. Don’t worry, he is a good driver. In fact, he is teaching Horace how to drive on the mountain roads where there aren’t any cops. All we ever see up there are huge logging trucks.

This morning all of the guys were diving off the rocks and swimming out to the rapids. Scoutmaster Ted wouldn’t let me because I can’t swim, and Adam was afraid he would sink because of his cast (it’s concrete because we didn’t have any plaster), so he let us take the canoe out. It was great. You can still see some of the trees under the water from the flood.

Scoutmaster Ted isn’t crabby like some scoutmasters. He didn’t even get mad about the life jackets. He has to spend a lot of time working on the bus so we are trying not to cause him any trouble.

Guess what? We have all passed our first aid merit badges. When Andrew dived into the lake and cut his arm, we all got to see how a tourniquet works.

Steve and I threw up, but Scoutmaster Ted said it was probably just food poisoning from the left-over chicken. He said they got sick that way with food they ate in prison. I’m so glad he got out and became our scoutmaster. He said he sure figured out how to get things done better while he was doing his time. By the way, what is a pedal-file?

I have to go now. We are going to town to post our letters and buy some more beer and ammo. Don’t worry about anything. We are fine and tonight it’s my turn to sleep in the Scoutmaster’s tent.
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May 30, 2010 7:59pm
big bruv

Kris

“Sometimes I even despair for you, Johnboy – just as I know God does.”

God talks to you?
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May 30, 2010 8:00pm
Steve

voices BB
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May 30, 2010 8:04pm
Steve

ttfn
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May 30, 2010 8:09pm
reid

“Reid if you have read the Bible cover to cover then you should know that the legal requirements you just mentioned are laws pertaining to the Old Covenant (the Jewish one) and not to the New Covenant (the Christian one), so Kris has no need to follow them.”

Hagues, if you and/or Kris and/or anyone else want to discuss biblical interpretation re: this matter, can I suggest we do it off-line?

So far I’ve kept it general but if you and/or Kris thinks the nub of the issue lies in specific verses etc then I suggest that’s not of great interest to the wider audience.

It’s also a subject that requires thought and time to consider the various positions – which is not what we have on GD.
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May 30, 2010 8:12pm
Hagues

reid “Hagues, if you and/or Kris and/or anyone else want to discuss biblical interpretation re: this matter, can I suggest we do it off-line?”

Sweet maybe we should get all those interested together over a pint or two and have a good chin wag. Not in June though I’m extremely busy next month, but after that all good.
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May 30, 2010 8:21pm
big bruv

Steve

For some time I have suspected that Kris is possessed by something other than common sense and intelligence.

The fact that he admits to hearing voices now makes things a bit clearer.

I pity the poor lad, imagine missing out on any fun for your entire life.
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May 30, 2010 8:51pm
reid

“I pity the poor lad, imagine missing out on any fun for your entire life.”

I pity those who haven’t yet experienced the wonder and marvel and love and joy of the knowledge of the Lord, with all that entails.

But everyone has differing mileage. Imagine if we didn’t.
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May 30, 2010 8:58pm
JiveKitty

It’s alright Reid. I’ve got the wonder, marvel, love and joy that comes with increasing my knowledge and appreciation of the universe. I do wonder though, why the “Lord” and not some other god? How does one know they are right if others from other religions are experiencing pretty much the same things?
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May 30, 2010 9:13pm
krazykiwi

David Laws: down and outed

By claiming £40,000 in expenses for a room in his boyfriend’s home, David Laws has landed the coalition government with its first crisis

With his neatly parted hair and razor-sharp mind, David Laws swiftly became one of the stars of the coalition government.

The Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury, charged with identifying where the public sector cuts should fall, relished his new role. His assured performance in the Commons last week won him plaudits on all sides of the house. He fended off criticism from Alistair Darling, the former Labour chancellor, with ease.

Here was glittering proof that the Lib Dems, so long the also-rans of national politics, were fit for government.

Yesterday, however, the reputation that Laws had so carefully nurtured over 16 years in politics was in tatters after it emerged that he had claimed more than £40,000 in parliamentary expenses for renting rooms in properties owned by his secret lover, James Lundie, a political lobbyist.

A desperate apology from Laws followed by a pledge to pay back the money and refer himself to the parliamentary standards committee were not enough to save his job.

By the end of the day he had resigned.

Well that didn’t take long!
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May 30, 2010 9:15pm
big bruv

Did anybody else notice the “David Bain is guilty” sign in the crowd during the All Whites v Serbia game?

Classic piece of Kiwiana.
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May 30, 2010 9:24pm
reid

“How does one know they are right if others from other religions are experiencing pretty much the same things?”

Isn’t that an interesting question, considering the assertion of which is at the heart of a good deal of our history.
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May 30, 2010 9:26pm
JiveKitty

It’s certainly one that intrigues me. I think there is more to it than the cultural aspect, i.e. where a person is brought up in a culture with a dominant religion and thus is more likely to adhere to the dominant religion, although I think that is part of the reason in many cases.
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May 30, 2010 9:31pm
philu

have you devil-swervers seen ‘the life of brian’…?

that’s where i got all my biblical knowledge from..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 30, 2010 9:41pm
JiveKitty

@Philu: I have indeed, although that too was a long time ago, so I’ll probably end up viewing that before I deal with reading the Bible again (primarily because of time constraints). Good movie.
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May 30, 2010 9:45pm
reid

kk that’s good news for the Conservatives.

Yay.
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May 30, 2010 9:46pm
side show bob

big bruv, have you experienced leprosy, imprisonment, a mortgagee sale, bankruptcy, a mad wife or an incurable disease.?Life is about experience, why give someone a hard time when maybe you have not been there or do not want to be there.
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May 30, 2010 9:46pm
reid

have you devil-swervers seen ‘the life of brian’…? that’s where i got all my biblical knowledge from..

Perhaps that’s why you are where you are, phil.

Don’t get me wrong. Life of Brian is great. I’m talking about your selective analysis. Myself, I prefer to keep an open mind. free to consider even radical, fundamental variations.

I’m having a good time. How’s your life?
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May 30, 2010 9:52pm
side show bob

“have you devil-servers seen the life of brian”? Philly you confuse yourself, your own argument is shot to shit, if, according to your good self, why do you call us devil-servers, this implies there is a God.
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May 30, 2010 9:57pm
philu

“..big bruv, have you experienced leprosy, imprisonment, a mortgagee sale, bankruptcy, a mad wife or an incurable disease.?..”

is this you you speak of there..bloody-hands-bob..?

been thru a bit of a rough patch…?

..have ya…?

..how’s the wife..?..these days..?..still ‘barking’…?

..or better..?

(and that’s devil-swervers not devil-servers..eh..?

reading what you want to see..?..mmm..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 30, 2010 10:26pm
philu

“..How’s your life?..”

it’s been worse…

but then you loook at the likes of bloody hands bob..

..with his ‘leprosy, imprisonment, a mortgagee sale, bankruptcy, a mad wife, incurable disease..”

and you have to think you are quite lucky..eh..?

it’s all relative ..really…

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 30, 2010 10:34pm
side show bob

Sorry Philly none of the above, the wife is great, well she was the other night………!. How are you taking the news from Fonterra………………? I see we might get a wage rise, not before time either,us poor farmers have to retire debt., shit you can’t make a lot of money if it doesn’t rain.
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May 30, 2010 10:36pm
philu

“..Perhaps that’s why you are where you are, phil…”

wot..?..in my vegan/humanist/pacifist condition..?

as opposed to war-mongering/hating/homophobic/religious/bible-bigots like that kkk..?

yes…i owe it all to ‘life of brian’…

..it put it all into context for me..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 30, 2010 10:39pm
Hurf Durf

The fuck is a devil-swerver?
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May 30, 2010 10:45pm
side show bob

“hows your life’ I guess Reid would say it’s what you would make of it. If your spend your life hoping or wishing things will get better you probably spend your life like 50% Kiwis, as much as might hurt, you have to try. No one is going to knock on your door and offer you nirvana. Nothing in life is easy and I doubt it’s suppose to be.
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May 30, 2010 10:46pm
reid

“vegan/humanist/pacifist…etc”

Vegan=good
Humanist=vague
Pacifist=naive, impractical and potentially dangerous if/when shit happens

War-mongering=agreed – worst people in the world. National security is however top priority necessary, without compromise.
Hating=never come across it. Societies don’t hate. They’re manipulated into opinions and the worst ones in that respect are the commies, from track record. Does that say anything?
Homophobic=invented. The left can’t stand that conservatives are also human and shock horror, they have families, some of whom turn out to be gay. Proportionate variation of gay people between population segments=undetermined but anecdotal life experience would indicate no variance expected therefore no political bias influence.
Religious/bible-bigots=see above.
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May 30, 2010 10:56pm
reid

“Nothing in life is easy”

Can I qualify that SSB with nothing worthwhile is easy.

And nor should it be.
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May 30, 2010 11:01pm
side show bob

“vegan/humanist/pacifist..etc”
yes it’s a “condition”
a condition of total denial.
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May 30, 2010 11:03pm
side show bob

Yes you may reid, it sure seems that way. If life was easy everyone would do it…………. and successfully.
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May 30, 2010 11:08pm
reid

But successful life is easy bob.

You simply set the parameters and perform accordingly.

The questions of who sets and judges them are entirely up to you and in this context I really like the Buddha story where he refuses to accept the insults someone is throwing at him, because it’s his choice as to whether or not he accepts them.
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May 30, 2010 11:13pm
reid

I have seen some people fail because they set the parameters at an unreal level.

For me the key is to start small and keep incrementing.
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May 30, 2010 11:19pm
side show bob

Reid 11.13 , parameters, totally agree. But I do not believe it is possible to set our own parameters, to think otherwise is crazy this is why the world has always had problems and always will have. I don’t think one can honestly set their own parameters and hope to succeed, there has to be something else, yes I’m sorry I’m talking about some sort of moral code. I have also seen some fail not because they had an unreal level, they simply did not believe they could get to any level.
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May 30, 2010 11:56pm
Luc Hansen

Catching up on mail:

From Hurf Durf:

Philip’s [that’s philu] always been a joke of a human being. I feel sorry for his kids.

and

I called him[that’s me! first I heard!] out on his anti-semitism based on his pathological obsession with Israel and total lack of attention on other places where Muslims have a hard time like Indonesia and the Horn of Africa and he fucked off quick smart. In spite of all his bluster, the guy’s a coward. I feel sorry for his daughter.

Isn’t it nice to see that a pimply immature student cares so much for the young? I’m impressed. Keep up the good work, sonny. And try a little harder, maybe, to stay on topic. I give you a D for the above. By the way, you are the one who turned down an invitation to a public debate between you and I on this issue. Just who is the coward?

From (the aptly named) krazykiwi:

Why does Luc always disappear when he is fisked on account of worship at the climate change altar?

@Luc – Now… we were discussing the veracity of the IPCC’s AR4 report, arguably the gold standard in climate science. A few questions for you:-
1. Do you think it’s acceptable for the IPCC Chair to lie about the contents of that report?
2. Do you think it’s acceptable for the IPCC Chair to personally profit from countries implementing the recommendations in that report?
3. Do you think it’s acceptable for AR4 to contain factual errors?
4. Do you think it’s acceptable for AR4 to cite blog posts, Greenpeace press releases, newspaper stories and the like?
5. Do you think it’s acceptable for the IPCC to alter/adjust scientific content after it had been peer reviewed?
6. Do you think it’s acceptable for the countries of the world to base billions of dollars of spending decisions on a report so rife with errors, omissions while the process of compiling it has been a catalog of conflicts of interest, outright fraud and bare-faced lies?

Umm, KK, in reply to the first, I have a life outside of informing you neanderthals of current trends in thinking circles…I work different hours to most, and my most beautiful toddler keeps me on my toes while my wife is at work. So yes, I am irregular these days, but my email address is always available on request, if you miss me that much.

Now to your repetitive climate change denial delusions…so tiresome, but, hey, I’m watching F1 right now so I need something to fill in the time!

So replying to your points:

1. That’s just a bit harsh. He definitely had an attack of hubris, but he obviously still retains the confidence of the governments who agreed to his appointment. it would only take a nod from a major power for him to be removed. You are overplaying your hand.

2. The IPCC does not make policy recommendations. Read the reports. They publish a “Summary for Policymakers” which merely lays out the science and allows governments to draw their own conclusions.

3. No, but since these reports are compiled by humans, we must expect inevitable human error. No identified error impacts on the overarching scientific message of the reports – that climate change is here, now, and will only accelerate.

4. it doesn’t, except by third person and that was a mistake – see my reply to your point 3.

5. It doesn’t.

6. That’s just all in your fantasies, poor bugger. What billions of spending are you talking about? it’s true China is spending billions, as the only command economy in the top polluters index, but they are doing it in a way that generates an economic benefit for them. It’s a perfect example of how to turn adversity into advantage.

Say, how about you hunt down all those Australian wheat farmers who have lost their land due to the expansion of the Hadley Cells…a permanent change in their climate, ie no rain, that has destroyed their livelihood?

From Falafulu Fisi:

Falafulu Fisi (512) Says:
May 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

wtf? I wasn’t posting about fund strategies. Although I did pick up that Holroyd’s singularity in philosophy is that they can’t predict the future. Fair enough, for the demented reef fish world he inhabits. I was interested in his views on wider issues eg the future of alternative energy sources without even including climate change considerations. So keep your 101 lectures to yourself and engage in the more serious issues, OK?

And to those of you who don’t know the joke, Fala’s handle is a white supremacist play on Polynesian names – fella full of feaces…think about it. The poor fella is deluded about his own abilities and it’s actually quite sad that it seems he can think for himself, but prefers to parrot the views of a tiny minority.

Goodnight.

PS I will repost this in tomorrows GD when DPF hits the button- just ‘cos you guys piss me of with your slander and lack of attention to facts.
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May 31, 2010 1:49am
MikeNZ

What a pillock.
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