General Debate 1 May 2010

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trout

Good win for the Black Caps this morning in the T20 World Cup on a difficult wicket. If only NZ could abondon test cricket altogether (we do not have the resources to be competitive – Players, or Pitches – our players do not have the required technique or the patience because our pitches are so variable, and our bowlers do not appear to have the physique or the stamina to be consistent world class top line bowlers (Hadlee excepted). The Black Caps could concentrate on 50 over and T20 where they are up with best, and train as for baseball. Short form cricket is the future.
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May 1, 2010 9:37am
krazykiwi

Schools may be sued over bullies
Schools have been warned that they run a “real risk” of being sued if they are slack in dealing with bullying.

The warning, from the biggest secondary school principals’ union, is backed by a lawyer, who says schools could face lawsuits of up to $100,000.

And Education Minister Anne Tolley has urged boards of trustees and parents to work together to ensure everything is done to protect pupils.

Slack in dealing with bullies? If a kid is a bully, it is an issue for their parents’s deal with. Schools simply experience the consequence of parent’s slackness. Under anything other than a Marxist-inflused system, schools are places of education – they should not be state-directed instruments for correction for social ills.

Tolly should be careful pointing the finger. The MoE has made it increasingly difficult to expell violent and/or disruptive kids. Oh, and I can see hungry Lawyers supporting this threat of lawsuits. Oh what a business opportunity.
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May 1, 2010 9:47am
gravedodger

If Tod Blackadder gets the same as Gits (how apt is that nickname) I have got 5$ for the cause, DICKeson penalised the Crusaders out of the breakdown, and Reid’s yellow made a Stormers win a cert. Does the Dick not get counter rucking as about the only way for a legal turnover.
Yeah Red And Black and Proud of it.
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May 1, 2010 10:00am
big bruv

There is no better way to start the weekend than hearing that news that Crusaders were thrashed in South Africa last night.

At least that might put an end to the idiotic idea (pushed by the Sheep shaggers) of the most embarrassing All Black captain of all time (Blackadder) ever taking over as the coach of the national team.

It might also wake up some people to the fact that McCaw is useless bloody captain and continues a long line of Canterbury captains who go missing when the heat is on.
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May 1, 2010 10:04am
philu

don’t forget the anti-mining demo..in auckland..

leaves britomart at 11.00 am

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 1, 2010 10:07am
Captain Neurotic

Shit Phil I forgot!!! Please put my apologies in, I’m at work contributing to society and paying tax…
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May 1, 2010 10:13am
gravedodger

Spose you are still catching feral goats bruv, don’t let the islamists catch you, they can be very very possessive.
I wonder why the useless Crusaders, with The useless coach and the useless Captain are still the best NZ team because all the others are sooo unlucky.
Don’t be such a BIGOT unless you pay royalties to the Bigost Chief in London
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May 1, 2010 10:21am
Inventory2

We remembered Phil. I hear that sales of aged eggs and over-ripened tomatos have gone through the roof this morning.
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May 1, 2010 10:22am
Murray

Theres a train leaving britomart at 1100 phool.

Do us a favor and be under it.
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May 1, 2010 10:28am
Kris K

krazykiwi 9:47 am,

Schools may be sued over bullies
Schools have been warned that they run a “real risk” of being sued if they are slack in dealing with bullying.

So you take away the ‘tools’, in the form of Corporal Punishment, from schools (and now parents) to enforce appropriate behaviour of students, and THEN threaten to hold schools to account for out of control students?

It should be instead the state that is sued – they created the situation. Hypocritical bastards!
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May 1, 2010 10:28am
big bruv

gravedodger

Goats seem to be the animal of choice for residents of Sumner, if my memory is correct Sumner is a suburb of Christchurch.

The coach of your team is indeed useless, he was a useless (and a national embarrassment) All Black captain who should never have been given a black jersey.

McCaw is hopeless, this is to be expected given that he played for so long under the worst All Black captain of all time in Ruben Thorne.
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May 1, 2010 10:30am
krazykiwi

From the Alarming Press Releases of the Week department comes this gem:

Melting icebergs causing sea level rise

Scientists have discovered that ice floating in the polar oceans is melting, causing sea levels to rise. The research is the first assessment of how quickly floating ice is being lost.
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The loss of floating ice is equivalent to 1.5 million Titanic-sized icebergs each year. However, the study shows that spread across the global oceans, recent losses of floating ice amount to a sea level rise of just 49 micrometers per year – about a hair’s breadth.

Man the lifeboats! At this rate a 1cm rise will take 210 years. Perhaps if we move back to the stone age (caves, no electricity, no fuel [except for the ruling class…]) we’ll be able to stretch that terrible day out to 250 years. All keen? Great! Let’s kick things off with our ETS then.
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May 1, 2010 10:32am
gravedodger

Bruv how come they are the best of the useless. Next best coached by a product of the useless Crusaders camp- Cooper and tell me again where the Blues,Chiefs and Highlanders are on the table. And before you get any angrier be grateful the highlanders did their bit even if it was with the assistance of the southern sting ( the weather not the netballers)
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May 1, 2010 10:36am
tom hunter

I’m not usually so cynical about politics – even though there is plenty to be cynical about. However, the following piece describing the ‘choices’ that Britain faces in their coming election really does demonstrate what an increasing farce it all is:

a plague on all…..

I have been getting a good chuckle at all the lefties on this forum who’ve been blissfully treating righties here as simple partisans for right-wing parties the world-over. I’ve not seen too many of the latter glorying in a possible victory by Cameron and co – and even when I’ve seen it the crowing (or pre-crowing) has been a flat-out joy at the sight of left-wingers being unable to say that the people are with them – not any sense that the right-wing party will actually do any good.

Sometimes it’s tempting to think we should just leave the left in charge, so that there are no excuses as the Western social-welfare state implodes over the next 2-3 decades. Sadly though I don’t think the left would learn anything from even as catastrophic experience as that. It will always be the fault of someone else (I’m guessing capitalists).
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May 1, 2010 10:39am
Ryan Sproull

I thought that icebergs melting had no effect on sea levels, because the volume of the water added is how much is lost in displacement or something.
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May 1, 2010 10:39am
eszett

# Kris K (2089) Says:
May 1st, 2010 at 10:28 am

krazykiwi 9:47 am,

Schools may be sued over bullies
Schools have been warned that they run a “real risk” of being sued if they are slack in dealing with bullying.

So you take away the ‘tools’, in the form of Corporal Punishment, from schools (and now parents) to enforce appropriate behaviour of students, and THEN threaten to hold schools to account for out of control students?

It should be instead the state that is sued – they created the situation. Hypocritical bastards!

Say, do you know of any other means to educate your children other than beating them?
Are you really that impotent if you are taken away the right to beat your children?
Is violence the only means that you can establish your authority?
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May 1, 2010 10:40am
eszett

Did you bother to read the article, krazykiwi?

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According to lead author Professor Andrew Shepherd, of the University of Leeds, it would be unwise to discount this signal. “Over recent decades there have been dramatic reductions in the quantity of Earth’s floating ice, including collapses of Antarctic ice shelves and the retreat of Arctic sea ice,” said Prof Shepherd.

“These changes have had major impacts on regional climate and, because oceans are expected to warm considerably over the course of the 21st century, the melting of floating ice should be considered in future assessments of sea level rise.”

What he was saying that while the current rise is minimal, the change should lead to a greater impact and should be considered in future research.

That’s all. Where is the alarmist part of this?
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May 1, 2010 10:48am
peterwn

krazykiwi

In general I agree. However IMO schools are sometimes playing fast and loose with suspensions/expulsions. The only ‘remedy’ is High Court action which is expensive and time consuming. Schools know this and this influences their decision making. A review tribunal is needed IMO to ensure decisions are properly made but such an idea has been strenuously resisted by the School Trustees Association.

Governments cannot just point the finger at Boards of Trustees for things like bullying, boiler explosions etc. More is needed. In large urban areas, there can be special schools as currently exist in some cases, but outside these the local college is the only show in town and these need to be resourced to deal with troublesome pupils.

It would seem that a few extra dollars on vote:education would be far less than extra costs on votes: welfare, police, corrections, etc as well as general costs to the community. For example a college pupil punched a teacher a few years ago. In the old days it probably have been handled in the traditional way at minimal cost. Nowadays the episode could cost a million dollars in the long term.
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May 1, 2010 10:51am
krazykiwi

@eszett – I’m quite sure you wouldn’t know alarmism if you tripped over it. For my part, I’m sick of the repeated scare stories about massive flooding, displacement and death cause by rising seal levels for which we humans are completely responsible. If you ok with all that then good for you.
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May 1, 2010 10:57am
Tauhei Notts

This General Debate so I can share a story that is very unusual.
Monday 19th I got a cheque in the mail from Awhina Ltd of London, England for GBP7000.00. I do not know why the cheque was sent to me and had never heard of the drawer. It was hand written and the spelling on the envelope and the cheque was immaculate. I banked the cheque and was credited with NZD14,687.37. Yesterday my folly in banking the cheque was punished. The cheque was bounced and my account debited with NZD15,078.51. $391.14 down the tubes, some would say, because of my greed. Plus search costs on the company of GBP10.00 which revealed that the company’s sole shareholder and director was A.S. Houpapa.
Moral of the story; pennies do not fall from heaven; only excrement does.
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May 1, 2010 11:09am
eszett

But, krazykiwi, that’s my point.
There was no such thing in the article. Nothing about “massive flooding, displacement and death cause by rising seal levels ”
Why are you so upset about it?
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May 1, 2010 11:12am
krazykiwi

@eszett – I’m not upset at all. I’m simply pointing out that the phrase ‘sea level rises’ (as used in the press release) is commonly used by the media to announce an impending human catastrophe, and it is understood my most people in that context. Half a width of a human hair per year is probably not worthy of such association. Again, if you think it is then that’s your prerogative.
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May 1, 2010 11:23am
Kris K

eszett 10:40 am,

Say, do you know of any other means to educate your children other than beating them?
Are you really that impotent if you are taken away the right to beat your children?
Is violence the only means that you can establish your authority?

You know the old saying, Eszett; Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

And can I take it you weren’t amongst the 87% who signed the anti smacking referendum?
While perhaps smacking/canning is a last resort for serious bad behaviour of youth/children, to remove it totally, as our society now has, has resulted in the escalation of youth/children misbehaviour and their general lack of respect of all forms of authority.
I thought we’d argued this to death months ago when considering Bradford’s stupid anti family bill.

And by the way, good use of the emotive “beat” and “beating” – but all in all just the same old tired and repetitive methods used by the progressives. You guys are just so predictable – you need to change your MO to regain some street cred.
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May 1, 2010 11:24am
krazykiwi

@Tauhei Notts – Intriguing. I presume your loss was due to an exchange rate movement?
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May 1, 2010 11:25am
starboard

Goats seem to be the animal of choice for residents of Sumner,

..your memory fails you BB..it was a donkey…..and the alleged donkey rooter told police that he only flopped his cock out for a pee when ” the donkey backed onto me officer “….
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May 1, 2010 11:31am
malcolm

***************************************
General Debate With Beers – Backbencher
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KrazyKiwi had an ingenious idea. Rather than Righting The World or designing The Perfect Voting System, via the keyboard, we should do this over a few beers. Like in the old days. Here’s the cunning plan:

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Monday, 3 May, 2010, 7pm
Backbencher Pub (back bar).
Everyone welcome.
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KrazyKiwi and Malcolm will definitely be there. But don’t let that put you off.

We’ll make another announcement tomorrow and on Monday and hopefully see you there.
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Cheers

KrazyKiwi and Malcolm
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May 1, 2010 11:35am
Captain Neurotic

There is nothing wrong with riding the Goat ;-p
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May 1, 2010 11:36am
krazykiwi

@malcolm – Thanks. Look forward to a couple of amber nectar’s with you and any other Wellington kiwibloggers .

All – If you’re outside Wellington just rort some taxpayer cash for your travel and expenses. I’m told that travel from Nelson is already fully booked 🙂
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May 1, 2010 11:43am
big bruv

Great idea Malcolm, but, who the hell are you going to get to moderate it?

Can you imagine the carnage if somebody like Phool turned up?
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May 1, 2010 11:52am
Falafulu Fisi

A good funk/hip-hop song to listen to while drinking beer (or perhaps whisky) this afternoon is a classic one from Jonzun Crew (audio only).

Space Cowboy

I am trying to discourage 2 greenie friends of mine who are going to the anti-mine Auckland march this afternoon to hang around at my place, drink alcohol and listen to some funk music with me playing the (electronic) drums.
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May 1, 2010 11:55am
malcolm

@BB – good point. I’ve never meet KrazyKiwi but he looks pretty mean from his picture so hopefully he can handle the ‘moderation’ task. And maybe DPF will come along with his demerits notebook.
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May 1, 2010 11:57am
LeftRightOut

Kris K (2091) Says:

And can I take it you weren’t amongst the 87% who signed the anti smacking referendum?

Kris, is lying endemic amongts xians, or is it just something you are partial to?

No one signed an antis smacking referrendum.

If you are referring to vots in the referendum on the question “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?” you should keep in mind that the No vote received only 48.9% of the total available vote, seemingly the majority of voters were against you.
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May 1, 2010 11:57am
Inky_the_Red

I went to the website of the local rag and read this gem
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch/3646230/Water-dispute-boils-over/

I don’t know who Sam Sacheva is or where he was last night. I was with 500-600 peaceful protesters outside the Copthorne. At no stage were we going ‘storm the hotel entrance’. The protest ended peacefully after 90 minutes. Yes we let the people entering the hotel know what we thought about Nick Smith, Bob Parker and their cronies. The only MP who had the guts to walk in the main entrance was Amy Adams. Alasdair Thompson was able to walk past the crowd without any physical threat.

This was not a well organised protest. I heard about the protest at 9pm on Thursday. I had to juggle other commitments to make the protest. Since the protest several people asked me “why didn’t I let them know. They wanted to be there.”

So the Press and Sam Sacheva might just want to report a few facts next time.

I know I make plenty of errors when I type. The proof reading in this piece of propoganda is poor.

One paragraph has no context so I don’t know what they are talking about. I include the paragraph before as well. Can someone tell me what this means?

” Chants included “We can’t drink money”, “You can’t steal our vote and get away with it”, “One- term Bob” and “Don’t pay your rates”.

Smith said only about 250 domestic users would be affected, and the rules would be progressively introduced, starting in two years. “
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May 1, 2010 12:00pm
krazykiwi

@bb carnage? .. I still recall the laughing when the drug wreck was well n truely fisked at an Akl event, and he subsequently stormed out.

@malcolm – mean? Yeah I’ll be coming directly from the gym.
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May 1, 2010 12:05pm
eszett

# Kris K (2091) Says:
May 1st, 2010 at 11:24 am

eszett 10:40 am,

Say, do you know of any other means to educate your children other than beating them?
Are you really that impotent if you are taken away the right to beat your children?
Is violence the only means that you can establish your authority?

You know the old saying, Eszett; Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

And can I take it you weren’t amongst the 87% who signed the anti smacking referendum?
While perhaps smacking/canning is a last resort for serious bad behaviour of youth/children, to remove it totally, as our society now has, has resulted in the escalation of youth/children misbehaviour and their general lack of respect of all forms of authority.
I thought we’d argued this to death months ago when considering Bradford’s stupid anti family bill.

And by the way, good use of the emotive “beat” and “beating” – but all in all just the same old tired and repetitive methods used by the progressives. You guys are just so predictable – you need to change your MO to regain some street cred.

Nice one, Kris. You are the one saying if you don’t use the rod on your child you hate him. That’s not a light smack, that’s beating. And it’s perverse.

You are the one who claims that we haven’t progressed morally in the last century, yet here you are learning how to raise your child using the morals from 2000 years ago.

If anything is tired and predictable, then it’s your constant insistence that the only thing that will help us if we re-install corporal punishment.

So what you are effectively saying is that this is your one and only method to raise and discipline children. If that is the case, no wonder your children don’t respect you.

Sad, indeed!
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May 1, 2010 12:07pm
dad4justice

Haha big blouse displays more hatred of Canterbury. Love to have a beer with such an disturbed blow hard internet coward -yeah right! What makes this thing tick?
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May 1, 2010 12:38pm
peterwn

Tauhei Notts – I cannot understand this, unless the crooks had your account details and hoped to draw down your account before the cheque bounced. In this case thank your lucky stars you were only $300 or so down the gurgler. I suggest you change your passwords and PIN numbers immediately.
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May 1, 2010 12:55pm
LeftRightOut

Hey Pete, I’ll have a beer with ya!
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May 1, 2010 12:58pm
krazykiwi

peterwn – I’m guessing the funds would have been uncleared and therefore not able to be drawn on. Tauhei Notts should probably change his online bank password .. just to be sure. Oh, and I’m certain that Murray Deaker will have changed his password after announcing that he used a Otago wine when discussing passwords & security on National Radio yesterday!
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May 1, 2010 1:03pm
Tauhei Notts

This Canterbury Regional Council bit is going on too long, and Nick Smith is not helping.
I am associated with two big users of Canterbury water. The stuff falls from the skies and runs down the Waimakariri River to the sea.
If the flow level at Belfast is high enough we can take water from the river.
If the flow level at Belfast is insufficient to mask the freezing works’ pollution, we cannot take water from the river.
What part of that can the protesters not comprehend?
And that take off is policed. Another bloke in the Rangitata catchment cannot draw off water when the flow at Temuka (why Temuka, I do not know) is at or below a certain level. I even had a registered letter from Ecan when an error occurred. I am not big on Canterbury hydrology but doubt whether Temuka is in the Rangitata catchment.
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May 1, 2010 1:04pm
nickb

I put this on last nights GD, but was a bit late. This is for anyone that wants a bit of inspiration:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/CampbellLive/tabid/367/articleID/153600/Default.aspx

I went to school with Brook and Darryl up north, what a family. Good to see he’s making a recovery.

Darry mate, you should of been playing cricket instead of rugby
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May 1, 2010 1:37pm
nickb

Isn’t this story interesting….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3646257/Porn-trader-had-godlike-status

“Yesterday, more than two years after a tipoff from the Secret Service, Moore, 32, was jailed for 4 1/2 years, one of the longest sentences handed down in New Zealand for internet pornography offences.”

And then:

“That group was first uncovered by the Secret Service, which found a pornography network they believed was being run by two people.
One, an American, revealed that he was working with Moore, before being jailed for 18 years.”
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May 1, 2010 1:50pm
krazykiwi

nickb – that was a lovely story. darryl’s determination was inspirational, and the dedication of darryl’s dad should be benchmark in the loving care required of all parents.
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May 1, 2010 2:09pm
nickb

It’s awesome isnt it kk, the effort Mike put in getting him back on track is mindblowing, basically put his life aside for a whole year..
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May 1, 2010 2:19pm
nickb

It looks like more Luddites are marching against progress and job opportunities for the unemployed….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3647465/Thousands-march-against-mining
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May 1, 2010 2:25pm
starboard

…did anyone see that useless shit philwhore at the march ?
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May 1, 2010 2:34pm
philu

favourite sign from the demo..?

“i’ll never vote national again’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 1, 2010 2:45pm
Inky_the_Red

lets improve our standard of living by polluting the world?

Let’s improve our standard of living by stopping water flowing to the sea.

Let’s improve our standard of living by making our rivers unsafe to swim in

Let’s improve our standard of living by making sure fewer fish are in the rivers for people to feed themselves from.

Let’s improve our standard of living by destroying other people view

Let’s improve democracy by removing people’s vote
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May 1, 2010 2:45pm
Banana Llama

It is just going to be a repeat of the referendum on the anti smacking bill Phill, i’m kinda laughing at the Karma that will be going around.
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May 1, 2010 3:30pm
Rex Widerstrom

Malcolm Turnbull, one of Australia’s richest men, a successful merchant banker and a successful barrister in past lives, announces he’s no longer quitting politics because he’s concerned Australia isn’t going to introduce an ETS.

Tony Abbott, you’ll recall, rolled Turnbull for the Liberal leadership by just one vote after a showdown over that party’s climate change policy. Turnbull could have kept the leadership if he’d moderated his insistence on support for an ETS… he chose not to.

So it’s not only vegan lefties who’re in a tizz on the topic… Of course whether their panic is justified is another question altogether. As Ryan notes above, anyone passingly familiar with Archimedes knows melting ice caps are already displacing most of their liquid volume, for instance.

But when someone like Turnbull takes it all so seriously, one has to wonder, surely…?
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May 1, 2010 4:07pm
Owen McShane

Before anyone in NZ accept any restraints on building near the foreshore because of supposed rising sea levels, make sure your council has established whether rising tectonic plate movements are actually causing sea levels to fall in your neighbourhood.

And remind your councils that flooding is far more likely to descend from the hills behind than rise up from the seas in front.

You can see what the tectonic plates are doing in your neighbourhood by going to:

http://www.geonet.org.nz/resources/gps/timeseries/index.html

The site for the Dunedin harbour is DUND. The available data indicate the measurement site is slowly sinking. This probably accounts for Otago having a slightly higher rate of sea level rise than Auckland – around 1.8 mm/y vs 1.4 mm/y

However, the site for Whakatane (WAKA) shows the plate is rising, while the plate at Whangarei (WHNG) looks vertically stable.

The horizontal movements northward are quite remarkable. Gisborne has moved north 150 mm over the last ten years.

Scotland is bouncing back upwards from the lost weight of all the ice in the last Great Ice Age.
But the British Isles are rotating around and East West Axis so the South of England plate is falling.

These plate movements in NZ (as our plate grinds it way up over the Pacific Plate far outweigh and sea level rising – and especially so when you consider that we are actually measuring the plate rises and falls while the “rising seas” of the alarmists are the result of speculation or computer models which have failed to predict the temperatures of the last ten years. So why should we trust them about the next 100 years or more?

The earth is dynamic. Sea levels depart from the geoid by plus or minus 90 metres from one place on the globe to another.
The IPCC’s talk of “global average sea levels” have nothing to do with the real behaviour of sea levels at real places in the real world and more than saying the average man is 5 feet 10 inches tall means that all men are five foot ten inches tall. The GASL is a statistical artifact.
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May 1, 2010 4:16pm
Steve

Mention useless shit and up he pops like a jack in a box.
He was the one with a salami size stogie making all the smoke.
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May 1, 2010 4:17pm
Rex Widerstrom

nickb:

That group was first uncovered by the Secret Service, which found a pornography network they believed was being run by two people.

That’s odd. The mission of the Secret Services is to:

…safeguard the nation’s financial infrastructure and payment systems to preserve the integrity of the economy, and to protect national leaders, visiting heads of state and government, designated sites and National Special Security Events.

Chasing pornographers clearly has nothing to do with protecting VIPs so I wonder how it impacts on “the nation’s financial infrastructure and payment systems”? Is the US government worried about the proliferation of counterfeit pornography, perhaps?

Or is this a slip that provides a glimpse of the way the White House, which is all for big government, is (mis)using agencies of state to pry into citizens’ affairs, during which it accidentally stumbled on a porn ring while looking for something else?
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May 1, 2010 4:33pm
krazykiwi

Rex – I wondered the same things when I heard this story reported – both why the SS (or was it Homeland Security as reported on 3News), and what were they looking for?
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May 1, 2010 4:42pm
Viking2

Something to think about tomorrow while we catch up with Australia at a National pace.

Small businesses to score tax breaks

* By Phillip Hudson
* From: Herald Sun
* May 01, 2010 12:42AM

ALMOST two million small businesses will receive faster tax breaks under a shake-up of the tax system to be unveiled on Sunday.

The Rudd Government will allow small firms to claim the full value of some assets as a tax deduction over one year instead of several.

Treasurer Wayne Swan is expected to outline a package of sweeteners to make small businesses one of the big long-term winners from the Henry tax review. It will include tax cuts over time, and investment allowances to buy cars, computers and machinery.

Small business employs five million people and the Government wants to encourage its growth as the backbone of the economy with a pledge to slash red tape so owners can spend less time on paperwork.

Mr Swan said he would not be pre-empting tomorrow’s announcements.

“Small businesses have been a crucial part of our economic success during the global recession and they deserve to be the big long-term winner in our plans for the tax system,” he said.

Australia has 125 taxes ranging from those on income and companies to the obscure 10c Queen Bee levy, specific to the bee industry. The top 10 taxes raise 90 per cent of the revenue collected.

Mr Swan will release the 1000-page review by Treasury Secretary Ken Henry at 2.30pm tomorrow, as well as a government response.

It is expected to:

ABOLISH tax returns for ordinary workers with straightforward tax affairs;

OVERHAUL superannuation tax;

SHAKE-UP alcohol tax;

CONSIDER radical ideas to introduce a congestion charge where motorists pay more for driving in the city at peak hour;

SIMPLIFY childcare benefits.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd promised a “stronger, simpler and fairer” tax system but said there would be winners and losers.

“Some people will celebrate, others will complain and complain loudly,” he said.

One of Australia’s richest men, mining chief Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, blasted reports there would be a new tax on the super profits of resources companies.

“What you shouldn’t do is kill the golden goose,” he said.

Some goood starters for comrade Bill.
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May 1, 2010 5:19pm
nickb

Thats quite interesting indeed Rex, but I was more showing the disparity in sentences for the same crime between the two countries
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May 1, 2010 5:34pm
philu

“..As Ryan notes above, anyone passingly familiar with Archimedes knows melting ice caps are already displacing most of their liquid volume, for instance..”

as it has featured twice on this thread..maybe this piece of denialist bullshit cd be cleared up..

the problem with ..say..antarctic ice..

..is the ice-shelf that sits on land..out of the water..

..should that melt at it’s base..and slide off..(as it is showing serious signs of doing..)

..then that vast mass of ice ..(and i mean ‘vast’)..sliding into the ocean..

would be the equivalent of throwing a rock the size of australia..(i did say ‘vast;)..into said ocean..

..mmm..kay..?

matthew turnball has every reason to ‘take it seriously’..

..it is only fools and charlatans who do not..

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May 1, 2010 5:55pm
philu

and how about them 40,000+ aucklanders roaring at john key..?….eh..?

if he ignores them..the next one will be much bigger..

..(there will be lots pissed they didn’t go…

..they won’t make that mistake again..

it’s about time for a handbrake slide..and a u-turn..

..eh mr key..?

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May 1, 2010 5:59pm
side show bob

Rex perhaps “VIP’s” were visiting porno sites more then your common riff raff and sensing a scandal the secret service acted before someone was embarrassed.

V2, I believe we need an total overhaul of our tax system. Why must it be so complicated?. Why so many rules?. How much money is lost in paying legions of accountants, lawyers and various parasitic worms simply to handle the taxes and Levis imposed by government?. Why do we need a progressive tax system?. What is fair about a progressive tax system? Until this government can explain to me why all this should be so I will remain unimpressed when politicians speak about tax reform.
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May 1, 2010 6:03pm
Banana Llama

Yeah he is shaking in his boots that the green party is upset, he will just smile and wave then burble something about the Rugby world cup and that will be the end of it.
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May 1, 2010 6:09pm
Ryan Sproull

Philu,

The article and my comments were about icebergs, not land ice. We know land ice isn’t displacing ocean water. And you know that floating icebergs displace just as much water as they add if they melt.
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May 1, 2010 6:12pm
side show bob

Oh piss off philu you dribbling idiot, just watched your circus on the tele. Really liked the yank woman telling all how they were going to screw up her country. Bitch should piss off back to yank land. You two bobs enjoy a society that pays the bills for throw backs and lefty grippers as seen on TV. Sooner or later philu the money just won’t be there to pay for the life style you have been come accustomed to. I bet you will be squealing then. I have no wish to see NZ leveled by the bulldozer but I have no wish to see you and your fallow two bobs starving. Like it or not philu this country is on a path to nowhere. Hay I don’t mind I’m all right Jack but there is only so much the very few can do to support the very many. You need to go hungry for a while.
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May 1, 2010 6:20pm
Rex Widerstrom

phil’s right tho, I should have said ice bergs. My mistake… when we’re debating something as open to interpretation as this issue we should be careful with our terminology or else we derail the debate. I wasn’t. I apologise.

Mind you, it’s not matthew turnball it’s Malcolm Turnbull, so on the inaccuracy stakes the score is now 1 all 😀
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May 1, 2010 6:34pm
philu

ka-boom..!

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May 1, 2010 6:51pm
Steve

Phool you stupid prick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMP_Q83efiU&feature=player_embedded
About 2.40 is for you
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May 1, 2010 6:53pm
philu

ah..!snide-show bob..a.k.a..’bloody-hands-bob’..!

lets look at yr latest (oh so eloquen)t outburst..eh..?

the first two lines are just yr usual ho-hum..

..but then..

“..Sooner or later philu the money just won’t be there to pay for the life style you have been come accustomed to..”

should you not substitute bloody-hands-bob for ‘philu’ there..?..eh..?

goven you are in an industry that is polluting itself to death..

..a ‘sunset’ industry for a number of reasons..

..not least of which will be the rapid spread/use of lab-meat…chemical/pesticide/pain-free meat..grown in labs/factories..

..(no need any longer to grow/transport mat from the ends of the earth..(ie..new zealand..eh..?..bhb..?..)

not to mention the cancers/strokes etc..directly down to eating dairy..

(we have the highest rates of some causes of death…and the highest rates of dairy consumption..)

..so you see..bhb….it is you..whose comfortable life is builrt on not only the pain/torture/enslavement/killing of sentient beings..

..you are also peddling death…’white-death’..

..eh..?

“..Like it or not philu this country is on a path to nowhere. ..”

currently yes..i wd agree with you..with our difference maybe that i see you as a direct/current cause of our current wrong route..

..eh..?

“..I don’t mind I’m all right Jack..”

but for how long there..?..bhb..?

..eh..?

yr children certainly won’t be inheriting the farm..in it’s current form..

..eh..?

(your final sentence is beneath contempt..to wish hunger on another human being..is somewhat ‘rich’..eh..?

especially coming from a peddler of cancers/death-causing poisonous muck….disguised as ‘food’…such as yourself..

..eh..?

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May 1, 2010 7:11pm
Steve

One for you LRO, billieborker, arsewipe.
sai na kak
My Thai friends don’t think highly of you
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May 1, 2010 7:30pm
side show bob

Same old same old philu, surely you can mount a better argument then the dribble you present here. You watch and listen to to many lies philu. Of course there are problems within our industry but by in large the vast proportion of dairy farms have very little environmental impact and in fact enhance the environment. On our farm alone we must have planted thousands of native trees and fenced miles of waterways. As for our relationship with the sentient beings (oh fucking please), we treat them with as much respect and care as we can offer after all our living depends upon them.

Oh please don’t lose any sleep on whether my children will inherit the farm, they all ready have. A long time ago my wife and myself realised that our children would never be able to own the farm given the high cost of land. We put our land in a trust and the whole family now owns the farm and the children also draw a wage form earnings. One even pays his boarding school fees though this method. The only problem is they will have to buy out their siblings share if the wish to farm alone, hay no system is perfect but it’s a better start then going to the money lenders and asking for 6 million bucks.

As for your ranting about cancer causing white death, fuck put a sock in it two bob, humans have been consuming dairy products for thousands of years and the last time I looked there were still a heap of us walking around. In fact the consumption of dairy products has increased and so has the human lifespan. Goes against the bullshit you spout, maybe just maybe people are getting better food instead of mun beans and lentils and similar such shit that diseased vegans like yourself indulge in.
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May 1, 2010 8:05pm
Luc Hansen

Did Kim hill show her true colours this morning when interviewing Anthony Lowenstein (find it here)?

Her true colours being historical ignorance, a preoccupation with the Holocaust, and projecting responsibility for that on to Arabs generally, Palestinians specifically, and a blatant disregard for basic humanitarian principles and international law.

An example of her ignorance was her allegation of historical anti-Semitism of Arabs. Firstly, Arabs are Semites (unlike European Ashkenazi Jews), and Arab anti-Semitism, as in anti-Jewish, was initially introduced by European migrants to Arab countries and, understandably, became widespread in the period before and after 1948.

Lowenstein is correct, in my view, when he says the two-state solution is a mirage, as Israel (at least, it’s ruling elite) itself does not want this solution. It wants all of historic Palestine. I am currently forming another, complementary, view on this: the two-state solution is deeply flawed in that it seeks to set in stone an historic wrong and, in the absence of a Palestinian Holocaust at the hands of Israel (highly unlikely, but not impossible to imagine), would always be doomed to end one day.

So why bother.
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May 1, 2010 8:13pm
philu

and speaking/thinking of demos/protest-marches..

who can forget that pro-smackers one..?

..that that mug spent half a million bucks on..?

..and nobody came..?

..heh..!

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/comment-whoarthe-biggest-demonstration-in-new-zealand-historywas-a-big-fizzer/

(just to jog yr memories..!..)..

‘..what was promoted as being the biggest demo ..ever..

is perhaps the biggest fizzer..ever..

the herald is claiming 4-5,000 thousand marchers..

but it was 2,500-3,000 max..

so lets be generous and say 3,000..

(i mean..the marchers only filled one block of queen st..

as the tail crossed swanson st..the nose was entering the queen st/vic st intersection..

if that’s 5,000..i’ll eat my blog..)

i had some fun..baiting the scattered rightie crowd..

and is was a mish-mash of causes..

family first/sensible sentencing/the smackers..

and an interesting variety of placards..

from ‘john key is revoting’..

to ..’adam and eve is ok..not adam and steve’..

so..$500,000 divided by 3,000 = about $166 per marcher..

d’yareckon that guy who pissed a half a mill up against the wall on this..will be feeling a bit sick now..?

(update:..national radio is calling the march-numbers as 1,000..(!)

that means that guy..(who should now be curled in a foetal position..sobbing..)

spenf $500 for every marcher..

whoar..!..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 1, 2010 8:22pm
Hurf Durf

Check out our teabaggers. Hopefully the left will be full of the contempt for them they have for their irrational anti-government brothers and sisters in the US, right? Right?
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May 1, 2010 8:32pm
philu

enough fun and jollity..back to bloody-hands bob..

“..by in large the vast proportion of dairy farms have very little environmental impact and in fact enhance the environment..”

that one’s a real howler..eh..?

and how about this one..?..

“..As for our relationship with the sentient beings (oh fucking please), we treat them with as much respect and care as we can ..”

(oh really..?..)

..and here is the ‘killer’-phrase in this sentence/’apology’..

“..after all our living depends upon them…”

exactly..your ‘living’ depends on the enslavement/suffering/deaths of others..

..of course you have a choice to continue..or not..as a perpetrator of these miseries..

..eh..?

the next paragraph is all about how you have ‘structured’ your blood-monies to pay minimum/(nil?) tax..

..and still qualify for working for families..?..eh..?..(nudge nudge..wink wink..!..)

you fucken hypocrite..!

..you see as reason to attack me..for raising my son on a dpb..when you work/rort the system..as you do..

..eh..?

everything about you is fucken ‘wrong’…

..eh..?

“..As for your ranting about cancer causing white death, fuck put a sock in it two bob,.”

that one hits a raw nerve..eh..?

..so..how about you tell me why your industry pulled the plug on an auckland university study meant to show the health benifits of/from consuming dairy..

..because the studies were proving just the opposite..and putting the people used as guinea pigs..at risk..

..how about you explain that fact to the consumers of the white-death you peddle..eh..?

“..maybe just maybe people are getting better food instead of mun beans and lentils and similar such shit that diseased vegans like yourself indulge in…”

and that is just hilariously funny..eh..?

..and such a blind denial of the proven health benifits of a diet that does not include the poisonous cancer-causing muck you peddle/profit from..

..eh..?

..got any other questions..?..there,..bloody-hands-bob..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 1, 2010 8:44pm
Hurf Durf

Hey guys! Help me think of a funny sexual epithet I can use to denigrate the opposition’s argument without having to engage in any reasoned consideration of it. How about “Donkey Punchers?” It works with the whole John Key-Don Key paradigm.
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May 1, 2010 8:57pm
philu

hey hurf..!..that is as funny as a nose-bleed..eh..?

don’t forget..you are a rightie..eh..?

..and as such are laboured with a senso-of-humor-bye-pass at birth..eh..?

..(did ya get that ‘laboured’..we just can’t help ourselves..us lefties….eh..?..)

“..to denigrate the opposition’s argument without having to engage in any reasoned consideration of it…?..”

and of course there…you detail the modus operandi of just about every rightie in this forum..

..eh..?

well done there..!

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May 1, 2010 9:21pm
Hurf Durf

Here’s the Donkey Puncher Northern Sector Commander, Phillip! Be wise, organise!
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May 1, 2010 9:28pm
philu

but..wouldn’t ‘donkey puncher’ mean to many..those who fuck john key..?

i mean..y’kow..1..i don’t mind..

..but i thought key was one of yours..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 1, 2010 9:46pm
Hurf Durf

Your average Donkey Puncher communist wit, as is perpetuated by the likes of Frogboy.
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May 1, 2010 10:29pm
TimG_Oz

Not that anyone really takes any notice of Luc any more, and this post will be yesterday’s newspapaer in NZ already, but here goes….

Antony Loewenstein and Luc Hansen have at least one thing in common – ignorance. It was particularly funny when he thought that Tzipi Livni was a man, and was proud of all of the famous Australian Jews that signed his petition, including Ben Zonar (it may as well have been Hugh Janus)

Luc is also pretty thick when it comes to Anti Semitism. Strange, seeing as he practises it as frequently as he can

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism
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May 2, 2010 12:51am
MikeNZ

TimG
Some days I wish LUC’s parents didn’t bother, such is his ideologised drivel.
He’ll be telling us that Palestine was a country and there were a Palestinian people before the Arab nations lost in another of their attacks in 1967 and that Jerusalem was never the Jewish capital.
Plonker.
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May 2, 2010 7:28am
MikeNZ

Hey LUC
Just for you for Sunday morning.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/04/29/2394586/op-ed-responding-to-the-top-10-anti-israel-lies

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/19/so_why_have_we_failed?page=0,1

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3882700,00.html
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May 2, 2010 7:56am
joe90

First Hawaii, now Arizona.
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May 2, 2010 8:13am
Kris K

Owen McShane 4:16 pm,

Before anyone in NZ accept any restraints on building near the foreshore because of supposed rising sea levels, make sure your council has established whether rising tectonic plate movements are actually causing sea levels to fall in your neighbourhood.

And remind your councils that flooding is far more likely to descend from the hills behind than rise up from the seas in front.

You can see what the tectonic plates are doing in your neighbourhood by going to:

http://www.geonet.org.nz/resources/gps/timeseries/index.html

Thanks, Owen – very informative link regarding NZ tectonic plate movements; especially in light of so called sea level rises due to AGW. Have added it to my files.
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