General Debate 18 May 2010

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LeftRightOut

Is John Key attending Jason Palmer’s funeral?

Is the government offerring assistance to Jason Palmer’s family to travel from the US to attend his funeral?
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May 18, 2010 6:42am
Inventory2

Is LeftRightOut a fuckwit?
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May 18, 2010 7:02am
dad4justice

Is LRO formerly fugley and billy borker really called Paul P ? Yes he is a twisted old man with nothing better to do but write vile rhetoric.
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May 18, 2010 7:21am
Manolo

Could this be true? http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/17/ditch-e-t-s-remit-passed-unanimously/
Not all are minions and sycophants, maybe.
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May 18, 2010 7:31am
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3708578/Gwaze-retrial-decision-reeks-of-racism-daughter

If ever there needed to be a re-trial in New Zealand this was it.

The Court of Appeal got this one spot on.

Racisim my arse
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May 18, 2010 7:38am
mickysavage

LRO

More importantly is the Government going to accept responsibility for stuffing up Corrections and for ramming through dangerous inhumanitarian policies which will do nothing to solve crime but make Prison Wardens’ jobs more dangerous?
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May 18, 2010 7:39am
Manolo

Could this be true? http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/17/ditch-e-t-s-remit-passed-unanimously/
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May 18, 2010 7:39am
big bruv

Micky

So you care more about criminal scum than you do about prison guards?
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May 18, 2010 8:03am
Pascal

Micky, it’s really simple. If you want to avoid being in an “inhumanitarian” prison (They’ve got Sky, I don’t!) you can simply avoid doing crime. Not too difficult, eh? I’m guessing you won’t end up in prison. I’m fairly sure I won’t. Know why? Because neither of us are likely to turn against society and forfeit our rights in that society.
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May 18, 2010 8:06am
nickb

Oh god….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3708578/Gwaze-retrial-decision-reeks-of-racism-daughter

Why is it that whenever anyone is in the shit they pull out the racism card? Gwaze is guilty as can b, he needs a hefty jail term
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May 18, 2010 8:09am
thedavincimode

Oh, so micky is in fact plughead …

… who was blathering on the radio yesterday that (once you cut through the meaningless sorry-arsed sour grapes rhetoric) that it is the UNCERTAINTY created by what’s happening in the Dept of Priz, that is at the root of viloence in the pokies …

Micky, you did such a bad job that I couldn’t help but get the impression that you’ve completely run out of enthusiasm.
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May 18, 2010 8:22am
Chthoniid

Oh, could someone let me know what the polite term is for ghouls who use the tragic death of someone to score petty, political points? I can’t think of any.
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May 18, 2010 8:23am
thedavincimode

Spiderman

The polite term is Plughead.
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May 18, 2010 8:25am
Pascal

Chthoniid, you don’t need to be polite to idiotic fuckwits. Call them by name.

Oh hai LeftRightOut!
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May 18, 2010 8:37am
Nookin

Worst kind of trolling deserving of a permanent ban.
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May 18, 2010 8:41am
Inventory2

While we’re talking crime and punishment, we note that the very nice chaps who shot the policeman thought he was a thief – which makes us wonder – why didn’t they pick up the phone and call the coppers instead of picking up the rifle and shooting them? Oh, that’s right; they were dealing P …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/05/novel-defence.html

Oh, and we can’t help but wonder if the taxpayer is paying for the rock-star defence team …
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May 18, 2010 8:47am
Murray

I agree we should have less people in our prisons.

Shoot the excess.

Inv those fuckers are cliaming “self defense”. They chased unarmed men and then shot them. Thats a pretty fucked up version of self defense where I come from.
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May 18, 2010 8:49am
starboard

but it should read…

LRO

More importantly is liarbor going to accept responsibility for stuffing up Corrections and for ramming through policies which will do nothing to solve crime but make Prison Wardens’ jobs more dangerous?

..do keep up MS…
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May 18, 2010 8:50am
LeftRightOut

it is not trolling, it is asking a valid question about the intentions of the nation’s PM.
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May 18, 2010 8:51am
Inventory2

Bullshit LRO – if it were anyone else (except perhaps mickysavage) asking that question, your excuse might fly. But you, as they say in the classics, have form.
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May 18, 2010 8:54am
Inventory2

Agreed Murray – but you and I both know how fickle juries are. That was why I posed the question about who’s picking up the tab for the QC’s to defend them.

Personally, I believe that if you apply for legal aid, you should have a competent lawyer appointed, not be able to take your pick from QC Quarterly. The state should only be paying for able and competent representation, not the best verdict that money can buy.
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May 18, 2010 8:59am
LeftRightOut

I have just heard that the prison officers’ union has put up the money for Palmer’s mother to come to NZ for the funeral.

Thumbs up to them.
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May 18, 2010 9:07am
philu

“..Oh, could someone let me know what the polite term is for ghouls who use the tragic death of someone to score petty, political points?..”

um..!..john key…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 9:35am
philu

“..why didn’t they pick up the phone and call the coppers instead of picking up the rifle and shooting them? ..”

now..what would rightwing gibberers/frothers/’hot-barrel-stroker’s ..like muzza..have done..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 9:37am
Murray

Speaking of expendable waste.

Look at this the resident armed violent offender is accusing me of being a barrael stroker. Why don’t you just fuck off back to prison where you belong dickless.

Never gets tired of accusing people of shit that hes been convicted of.
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May 18, 2010 9:56am
RightNow

Yes, thumbs up to the prison officer’s union, for doing what they should. He paid his union fees no doubt, and I would imagine the head of the union has grown fat off them too, and drives around in a car paid for by prison officers, and receives a 6 figure salary paid for by prison officers.

phlu, I wish the gummint would stop enabling you and let you hit rock bottom.
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May 18, 2010 9:58am
philu

“..and let you hit rock bottom…”

nah..!..already been there..done that…

withdrawing from heroin habit number five or six…pretty much gets you there…(the effects compound..with each successive withdrawal..).

..and i won’t be going there again….

..and i am so so far from there…

.that now..being vegan…doing yoga..no alcohol…no ‘nasty’ drugs..(just pot)…

..the love of family/dogs..

..means i feel pretty good…most of the time..eh..?

..and quite a long way from ‘rockbottom”

..eh..?

(thanks for yr good-wishes…tho’..and may they blow back on you…eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 10:22am
RightNow

Well how about you pay your own way at least so there’s some more money available for those that really need it? I pay enough tax to completely support at least one beneficiary, whereas you suck at least that much from the system.
The fact is that if you ceased to exist you would actually be contributing more to the poor than you do now.
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May 18, 2010 10:40am
side show bob

Hi fives for the National Socialist central North Inland members and their unanimous vote to kill the ETS. Idiot Boy, you out there, what say you. Your own kin are turning on you, I do hope they tear you and your fallow bullshitters to bits.
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May 18, 2010 10:45am
Put it away

LeftBrainRightOut – Gee I don’t know, did he know Jason Palmer personally? Did he die on a day of enormous national significance that remembers people of his profession who gave their lives? Can you stop asking the same retarded question every time someone dies ? Can you stop exploiting people’s deaths for cheap political pointscoring? Can you acquire a conscience? Are you a complete idiot and an insensitive asshole ?
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May 18, 2010 10:51am
RRM

SURVEY FINDS MORE THAN HALF OF NEW ZEALANDERS ARE FURTHER LEFT THAN RRM:

Holy sh*t!!

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7251356/survey-finds-kiwis-favour-ban-on-tobacco-sales/

More than half New Zealanders want to see an end to tobacco sales by 2020, the Smokefree Coalition will tell a select committee tomorrow. The group will present to the Maori Affairs select committee inquiry into the tobacco industry the findings of a UMR survey showing that 64 percent of New Zealanders supported an end to commercial tobacco sales.
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May 18, 2010 10:53am
Pascal

RightNow: Well how about you pay your own way at least so there’s some more money available for those that really need it?

Indeed. Philu is here preaching to all the “nasty” right wingers about how inhumane they are for working and supporting New Zealand.

When he is simply a parasite, living a life style choice and taking funding away from people that REALLY need it.

Fucking useless waste of space.
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May 18, 2010 10:56am
malcolm

“THEY CAME FIRST for the Cigarettes,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Smoker.

THEN THEY CAME for the Alco-pops,
and I didn’t speak up because I didn’t like them anyway.

THEN THEY CAME for the Spirits,
and I didn’t speak up because I don’t like them either.

THEN THEY CAME for Beer,
and by that time no one was left who thought it odd that a grown man couldn’t have a beer.
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May 18, 2010 10:58am
krazykiwi

malcolm – lol 🙂
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May 18, 2010 10:58am
philu

“.. The fact is that if you ceased to exist you would actually be contributing more to the poor than you do now…”

nah..!..it wd just go to the rich..in/for their huge tax cuts…eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 11:02am
malcolm

Krazykiwi, I had to recover my self-respect after not thinking of the “..to get ahead” line!
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May 18, 2010 11:02am
philu

“..Can you stop exploiting people’s deaths for cheap political pointscoring? ..”

no…that’s john key…eh…?

..he does that…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 11:04am
dime

LRO – hes not going. the guy was just a worker. fuckwit.
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May 18, 2010 11:12am
philu

hilarious quote from john key…

..’bigger tax cuts for the rich..will make the country ‘fairer’..

brilliiant..!

..eh..?

he/they must think the rest of us are really really fucken stoopid…eh..?

in a country with one of the biggest gaps between rich and poor…

..tax cuts for the rich…makes that ‘fairer….?

..when the rest of us get s.f.a…

oh..!..and b.t.w…have a hike in g.s.t. to go with that…

in terms of being so far out of touch..and leaving most of us going huh..!..and scratching our heads…

this is up there with his cannibal-joke..

one-term-john it is…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 11:13am
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

Why the leaky homes payout is a political bribe to Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10645752
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May 18, 2010 11:27am
cabbage

withdrawing from heroin habit number five or six…pretty much gets you there…(the effects compound..with each successive withdrawal..).

..and i won’t be going there again….

..and i am so so far from there…

.that now..being vegan…doing yoga..no alcohol…no ‘nasty’ drugs..(just pot)…

Sorry Phool. My (significant) experience with addicts is that those who continue to rely on another form of chemical intoxication almost always end up back on the Junk.

Be aware. Mr Brownstone lurks away in corners you cant yet see.
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May 18, 2010 11:29am
thedavincimode

“he/they must think the rest of us are really really fucken stoopid…eh”

Well, he no doubt thinks that you are stupid, but you at least appear to have irritated him sufficiently to get Big Paula on the job ..

.. knock knock ..
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May 18, 2010 11:43am
krazykiwi

Big Paula on the job

An image I’m keen to forget quickly.
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May 18, 2010 11:45am
LeftRightOut

dime (2087) Says:

May 18th, 2010 at 11:12 am
LRO – hes not going. the guy was just a worker. fuckwit.

That’s right, just a worker. Just a husband, a father, a son, a brother. just another man who didn’t get home from a days work. Just the first prison guard killed on the job. Not a show pony prancing around in expensive toys.

Just a worker, dealing with the scum, not worth thinking about, really.
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May 18, 2010 11:50am
philu

cabbage..it’s been nearly twenty years…eh..?

and i had so many habits..that i know/have proven to myself…that only a dabble..wd see me hooked again…

..so..y’know..!

(btw..are you one of those evil methadone-pushers..?

if so..shame on you..!

..eh..?

..you are doing far more damage….than any help…..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 11:53am
krazykiwi

philu struggles with the concept of fairer. He regards fair as being forced re-distribution of wealth, when it’s really defined by equitable distribution of opportunity. Forced re-distribution of wealth has its origins in the rotting carcass that is Marxism, yet so many Kiwis cling to it despite the smell.
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May 18, 2010 12:01pm
RightNow

LRO, a friend of mine died on the weekend. She was training to be a teacher. Which political figures should I expect to attend her funeral?
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May 18, 2010 12:02pm
krazykiwi

RightNow – Sorry to hear that. My condolences.
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May 18, 2010 12:04pm
RightNow

Thanks kk, it’s sad for those that knew her and will miss her, especially for her partner.
The point I think LRO is missing is that Key actually did know the guys that died in the helicopter crash, and being PM wasn’t the only reason for him going to their funeral.
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May 18, 2010 12:09pm
thedavincimode

krazykiwi

Whatever do you mean? I expect it would be very impressive.
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May 18, 2010 12:13pm
LeftRightOut

No, RightNow, the point is those 3 guys in the helicopter were also just workers. Just husbands, fathers, sons, a brothers. Just three more men who didn’t get home from a days work.

And three man doing a far less dangerous job.
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May 18, 2010 12:14pm
philu

rightnow…he ‘knew them’ because they had piloted him in the past…

he wasn’t ‘friends’ with them…

they were the airvborne equivalent of his parliamentary-drivers..

so..w.t.f..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 12:15pm
RightNow

The fact remains he knew them. His choice to go back for the funeral wasn’t purely a political decision. It showed respect for the men and their families and whether you disagree with it or not is of no consequence to anyone but your own ilk who are trying to use his decision to score political points.
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May 18, 2010 12:30pm
Yvette

How much more finance has been found in the leaky homes issue than the complete estimated allocation for settling all the Waitangi claims?
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May 18, 2010 1:01pm
Pauleastbay

The great mass of people… will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.”
Adolf Hitler

ETS anyone
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May 18, 2010 1:29pm
Atheist1

The future of the ACT party is in good hands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B9MqNzQuuk

LMAO. What a douchebag. Did you get bullied at school young Rick?
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May 18, 2010 2:47pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Micky, I got a better idea: the police round up every “Killer Beez” clown in the People’s Republic of South Manoocow and disappears them into the Tasman Sea.
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May 18, 2010 2:52pm
Manolo

There could be some disgruntled National Party supporters prepared to stand up to Neville and Nick?
http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/18/the-ets-revolt-is-building/

Hate Tip: Whale Oil
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May 18, 2010 3:13pm
Manolo

//whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/18/the-ets-revolt-is-building/

National supporters standing up to Neville and Nick?

Hat Tip: Whale Oil
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May 18, 2010 3:14pm
philu

i just had to go and watch that giles-clip again..(over 33,000 viewers going ‘look at this dick..!’..heh..!..)

and it is still very very funny..

and the thing is..that funny as it is….his ‘powerful-arguments’ line is almost eclipsed by what comes later..

..especially at the end…where he leaves (host) driver gape-mouthed/speechless…

older act-ite/rand-ite-cult members must be cheered knowing the future of their cult is in such good hands…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 4:01pm
big bruv

According to Larry Williams the Greens have said that “rich pricks” are not vital to the NZ economy.

It seems that the Greens are determined to bring in communism.
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May 18, 2010 4:22pm
Hurf Durf

The funniest thing about the Rick Giles/Oliver Driver interview is that one of them has a job and one doesn’t these days.

On more pressing concerns, all someone has to do is look at this map to realise there’s no such thing as the United Kingdom, just England and Scotland.
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May 18, 2010 4:22pm
Atheist1

Phil, it’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Just sent it to my Libertarian friend in the UK to show her that the future of NZ libertarianism is in highly capable hands!!

I missed this when it first did the rounds as I was in France. It CRACKS me up. Reminds me of when I saw a few young Acts at a pub quiz in Wellington. Once I’d seen them, I realised I had nothing to worry about with Act. Once Rodders is gone from Epsom that lot are consigned to the history books of NZ politics thank Christ!
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May 18, 2010 5:21pm
philu

i think that more and more of an ‘odious little man’ vibe is building around him in epsom….

..y’know..mix a bit of supercity with yr mining/travel-‘perks’/general uselessness…

,,and yr well on the way..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 5:26pm
philu

the scots always were more astute than the poms….

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 5:29pm
philu

do you drink alcohol…?..there…cabbage…?

and you didn’t answer the question of..

‘are you a pusher of that evil-muck..?…methadone..?’

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 5:32pm
Atheist1

Philu@5.26: Too true. And 1.6% means they can’t get off the starting blocks any other way…..never mind, they’ve got old MikeNZ on here cheerleading for them and it’s obvious what an example of brainpower he is 🙂
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May 18, 2010 5:34pm
philu

no no…the ‘news’ is even better…!

the latest poll has them on 0.8%..

..(‘holy down the crapper…!…batman…!..’)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 5:36pm
Atheist1

Moist excrement 🙂

best news I’ve heard since realising Len Brown is going to beat Banksie 🙂
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May 18, 2010 5:39pm
philu

banksie/boag/ralston/farrar…..with bhatnagar snivelling up the rear…

(planning on how they can ‘trick’ aucklanders into voting their way…)

it’s not a pretty image….

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 5:51pm
philu

the price of oil has fallen twenty percent in the last two weeks…

why hasn’t our price at the pump reflected that…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 6:49pm
Hurf Durf

If Atheist1 and Phillip are the faces of the Fifth International, I wouldn’t hold high hopes for the future of authoritarian socialism either.
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May 18, 2010 6:51pm
pentwig

phool

Who cares? I can afford it.
You – start walking ya lazy knuckle drugger!
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May 18, 2010 6:57pm
dad4justice

LRO – fugley – billyborker -Paul P – I have forwarded your death threat to police. Fancy saying you were big bruv. I know he is silly but not that silly. I really hit a raw nerve eh Paul?
Happy now you #### !
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May 18, 2010 6:57pm
dad4justice

Do many other kiiwiblog bloggers get death threats from Paul P ?
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May 18, 2010 7:09pm
big bruv

D4J

Do you know who sent you that threat?, if so can you please tell me. bigbruv99@hotmail.com

While I do think you are an idiot it is not my style to threaten anybody, I guess it just proves once again that the left are nothing more than scum.
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May 18, 2010 7:10pm
dad4justice

big bruv I will forward the email to the above posted email address. I am fucking sick of this crap mate.
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May 18, 2010 7:11pm
big bruv

Meanwhile

Poor old Kiri..

http://clintheine.blogspot.com/
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May 18, 2010 7:51pm
philu

aww..!..look..!…fat sibling and the deliverance-extra..are ‘mates’…

phil(whoar.co.z)
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May 18, 2010 8:09pm
dad4justice

Oh look phool is doing another armed robbery spun out on drugs!
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May 18, 2010 8:11pm
philu

you do know that greenfly thinks you are both a half of the one entity..eh..?

with fat sibling being the lumpen/lumbering body..

..and the deliverance-extra as the mutant-head..

as a theory…it’s not bad…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 8:12pm
dad4justice

There is only one phool, but I can’t expect your drug induced state will never understand the gutter tactics of the left. Does greenfly have a drug habit also?
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May 18, 2010 8:15pm
Steve

Phool,

What happens after you drop your girl off to school and when you comment after about 9.30am? It that get smashed and hit Kiwiblog time? Most of the WORKERS have done at least two hours work by the time you focus on Kiwiblog.
I will take great pleasure in seeing you made to work to live. I don’t wish to pay TAX to support shitbags like you
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May 18, 2010 8:20pm
philu

still going to yr aa meetings..?..there..deliverance-extra…?

or are you still just a piss-head…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 8:21pm
Nomestradamus

D4J:

I’ve watched LeftRightOut bait you with repeated references to “Alex”. If, as you say, these are references to your daughter then you should email DPF with links. I’m sure DPF would be inclined to dish out demerits for some of LRO’s contributions. Here is one link to get you started.

I see LRO’s blog claims to have the following comment policy in place:

Comments are welcome and actively encouraged. I am happy to have a broad church attend and expect vigorous exchanges of views, but insult laden, content free posts are not welcome and will be deleted or derided, as I see fit.

Given this stark hypocrisy between LRO’s own blog policy and his contributions here, I’d like DPF to confirm whether LRO has previously posted under any of the following aliases (taken from Kiwiblog’s demerits page):

– Billy Borker
– Rebel Heart/Ruby
– Dressed to the Left/Stan/Reb/Wolverine

DPF – any chance of clearing this up?
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May 18, 2010 8:23pm
Tauhei Notts

Inventory2 at 8.47 a.m.
If you can find out exactly how much taxpayers’ funds are going to the defence of those accused of such an awful death it would be interesting reading.
The matters you raise are very important.
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May 18, 2010 8:25pm
philu

and i have done hours on http://whoar.co.nz/ before i ‘hit’ kiwibog…

..eh..?

this is one of my (non-ideological) favorites from today…

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/which-household-cleaners-contain-secret-toxic-ingredients/

read…and freak out….

and i’ll betcha you start reading the labels on yr household cleaners…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 8:27pm
dad4justice

Nomestradamus – I can handle my own battles thanks ( ask anybody that knows me well ), however with that said, I believe this LRO has made a total mockery the demerit system which I do find rather like salt getting rubbed into a wound. I take demerits and bans without fuss and do my time in the bin while “others” like Paul P just change their name and keep on keeping on . Fair I think not !
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May 18, 2010 8:27pm
RKBee

Hmmm… it must be everybody’s pay your rates month.

Has Auckland come up with a decent logo for the super city yet….
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May 18, 2010 8:35pm
philu

*i mean..not that i really give a flying fuck…i mean..we are talking a city logo…f.f.s..!

but…why the fuck was rangi-two-to’s left out of any consideration…?

the place sits on multiple volcanos…

..and volcanic cones are a feature of many parts of the city..

a fucken flower..?

i think not..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 18, 2010 8:50pm
Steve

Auckland does not want a ‘Super City’ Council. Only the non productives want it.

Phool, you can design the logo ok
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May 18, 2010 9:04pm
krazykiwi

The Canadian is the new socially progressive and cross-cultural national newspaper.

Today’s illuminating story reads thus:

Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

Hydrate hypothesis illuminates growing climate change alarm. Compiled by John Stokes

A recent scientific theory called the “hydrate hypothesis” says that historical global warming cycles have been caused by a feedback loop, where melting permafrost methane clathrates (also known as “hydrates”) spur local global warming, leading to further melting of clathrates and bacterial growth.
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Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates [sic] into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe.

6.7 billion people in the world today, and 4.5 billion will die in less than two years due to a temperature rise that will be less in magnitude than our regularly experienced variance?

And these nutters wonder why they’re labeled alarmists?!?
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May 18, 2010 11:42pm
krazykiwi

Now that Luc Hansen has become an official member of the Deniers Spotter Club (Junior Team), and has his badge and handy notepad, I thought he might enjoy this:
Global Warming: How to approach the science. By Richard S. Lindzen, Program in Atmospheres, Oceans, and Climate. Massachusetts Institute of Technology .

There are one or two long words in there but he’ll muddle through I’m sure. Extract follows.

“Even without this very basic breakdown of the case for global warming alarm, there are numerous reasons why an intelligent observer should be suspicious of the presentation of alarm.
1.The claim of ‘incontrovertibility.’
2. Arguing from ‘authority’ in lieu of scientific reasoning and data or even elementary logic.
3. Use of term ‘global warming’ without either definition or quantification.
4. Identification of complex phenomena with multiple causes with global warming and even as ‘proof’ of global warming.
5. Conflation of existence of climate change with anthropogenic climate change. ”
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May 18, 2010 11:54pm
starboard

a fucken flower..?

i think not..!

how bout a dope leaf..! eh ??..

phool ( armed robber.co.nz )
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