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JiveKitty

Good beer is delicious. At present, I’m trying to figure out how to get Brewdog’s “Sink the Bismarck” and “Tactical Nuclear Penguin”, and Samuel Adams’ “Utopias”. RTDs are shite. They’re for people who drink pisswater like Corona, Tui, etc, and bloody fizzy drinks on the whole. If I want bloody spirits, it’ll be single malt.
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May 17, 2010 8:28pm
Steve

Toad,
I am going down to King Country in a few days. Want a lift so you can tell ‘I always use tanalised fenceposts’ yourself?
His wife would have you for dogmeat you woose.
See you at the Taumaranui Cossy Club ok
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May 17, 2010 8:28pm
RKBee

BB.. Only homosexuals drink RTDs.. thats right thats where Beer can lead you.

I wounder how many of you have tickets to the rugby world cup.
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May 17, 2010 8:30pm
big bruv

Toad

Meads led a tour by individuals, I can appreciate why that annoys you but it was their right to go.

Would the Greens have denied NZers the chance to travel where they like?

I am also pretty sure that some of the people who led the anti tour protests in 81 have been honoured by the state as well, do you think it is right that they should have been awarded for breaking the law and endangering the lives of thousands of people?

I also find it amazing that you can be so anti apartheid (as any decent human should be) yet be so pro Maori separatism, surely you can see the hypocrisy in that?
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May 17, 2010 8:32pm
nickb

JiveKitty, have you tried Mac’s Sassy Red? Really good beer with winter coming up, with roasts, soups etc.

Oh and D4J:

Get fucked you lunatic, when did I make any personal comment about you? I was merely commenting that McCaw is a cheat.
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May 17, 2010 8:32pm
nickb

Have just rad the main points of Turei’s alternative “budget”, if you can call it that (more like a childish wishlist of completly uncosted handouts).

All it seems to comprise is building new state housing slums and using th state to magically strong arm power prices down. How new and eye-catching.
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May 17, 2010 8:41pm
big bruv

Jack

Clean the spittle off your screen and have a look at what I have written.

I am not, nor have I ever been, a Jafa.

I said that I support ANY team playing Canterbury, that would include England, Aussie, Wellington, Auckland….anybody.

I am also amazed at how much hatred you guys have for Auckland and its people, I often used to hear about the great Auck v Cantab rivalry, the truth is that the rivalry is only one way, the Aucks don’t rate you guys, you are insignificant, an after thought, they never give you any consideration.

The reason you lot take so much pride in your rugby (a team made up of stolen players) is because you have NOTHING else, the rest of the country does not define itself by way of rugby, we have other things in our life, we are not so sad as to make gods out of men who chase leather for a living.
If you think that is a little harsh, have a look at your current Crusaders coach, the man is a joke, he was a joke as a player and a national embarrassment as an All Black captain, yet for some unknown reason you guys treat him as if he was Meads/Jones/Nepia and Lomu rolled into one.

One day you lot might grow up, drop the inferiority complex (as valid as it is) and realise that the world does not revolve around Hagley park.
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May 17, 2010 8:41pm
dad4justice

“the Aucks don’t rate you guys, you are insignificant, an after thought, they never give you any consideration.”

What mental ward do you blog from big blouse you insane twit?
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May 17, 2010 8:43pm
big bruv

Jive

I bloody hope that you have not included Guinness in your list of “piss water” beers, if so then there may well be tears before bedtime and they won’t be mine.
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May 17, 2010 8:43pm
krazykiwi

@nickb – do you know where/when Sir Roger’s alt-budget will be available?
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May 17, 2010 8:45pm
toad

big bruv 8:32 pm

Meads led a tour by individuals, I can appreciate why that annoys you but it was their right to go. Would the Greens have denied NZers the chance to travel where they like?

No, otherwise you get into the US-Cuba sort of shit.

But we shouldn’t honour those who gave practical support to the worst form of institutionalised racism imaginable, whatever else they may have done.
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May 17, 2010 8:48pm
nickb

No KK not sure. I would say keep an eye on his facebook page perhaps?
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May 17, 2010 8:48pm
big bruv

KK

Wednesday
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May 17, 2010 8:51pm
toad

d4j – just fuck off. No-one else (even bruv) wants to listen to you vomiting here. Go play on your own blog.
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May 17, 2010 8:52pm
philu

“.. do you know where/when Sir Roger’s alt-budget will be available?..

just get one of his 80’s ones…and change the date at the top of the page….

that’s what he does…

phil(whoar.co.nz
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May 17, 2010 8:54pm
Viking2

Just in case you hadn’t noticed Meads doesn’t live in the King Country no more.
Sold the farm and lives in Papamoa.
Try and keep up will you.
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May 17, 2010 8:55pm
JiveKitty

Haha. No, Guinness was not included in my list of piss water beers. Much better from the tap by my reckoning. Their special export to Belgium is excellent (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/209/10848). I recommend you try it if you haven’t and if there’s still any left.

Sassy Red is indeed a nice unassuming drop over winter. Good with hearty food. I’m also partial to their black.

As for Lomu, let’s not include him with hallowed names, eh. He was a mediocre player and not overly useful after about 1997 when the majority of top tier international teams stopped being intimidated and figured out that good tackling technique was all that was needed to take him down – excluding the South Africans who’d never been intimidated and always knew how to tackle him. He was poor tactically – often out of position, etc, was pretty abysmal defensively, and lacked skill – not a great passer, piss-poor at kicking, and so-on. He represents what is endemically wrong with the All Blacks and New Zealand rugby over the past fifteen years: the triumph of flash and glam, marketing, hype and style, over the values of skill and doing whatever is necessary to win. (Carlos is probably representative to a degree as well, but he wasn’t mentioned in line with the hallowed names of Jones, Meads and Nepia.) I don’t care if we score the most tries. I don’t care if a player’s presence causes Keith Quinn to (metaphorically of course) come in his pants or fap frantically everytime he sees them on the field. I want a team that does the fundamentals and wins. And given the apparently diminishing interest in New Zealand rugby so too do New Zealanders.
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May 17, 2010 9:01pm
toad

@Viking2 8:55 pm

Yep, suppose with all the Krugerand from the Cavaliers tour, his new house will be right on the Papamoa beach as well.
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May 17, 2010 9:02pm
dad4justice

Hey toady you lefty commie creep there is a few bros that took the Cavalier tour you crackpot git . The team was – Kieran Crowley, Victor Simpson, Michael Clamp, Gary Knight, Alan Whetton, Gary Whetton, Andy Dalton, Hika Reid, Andy Haden, Jock Hobbs, Murray Mexted, Grant Fox, Warwick Taylor, Craig Green, John Ashworth, Andrew Donald, Wayne Shelford, Steve Mcdowell, Mark Shaw, Bill Osborne, Bernie Fraser, Wayne Smith, Robbie Deans, John Mills, Bryce Robins, Dave Loveridge, Steve Pokere, Frank Shelford.

Silly old fool is losing the plot.
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May 17, 2010 9:10pm
RKBee

Viking2 do you think Colin Cooper going back to coach Taranaki will help his hopes of coaching the All Blacks.
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May 17, 2010 9:11pm
Pauleastbay

BB
True story
I was in a pub in Chirstchurch having been introduced to some locals by a guy I know.

All pretty convivial, I happened to mention that I had lived in Auckland , well, one guy just blustered off, “The whole countries fucked, its all Auckland fault and the Maoris, Aucklands a prick of a place, absolutely fucked”

I said being a guest and not wanting to wind him up any further ” Perhaps its changed since you were last there, you might enjoy yourself now”

He said ” I’ve never fucking been there, never want to”. I slowly put my glass down and walked out of the bar.

And went looking for his donkey to shag
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May 17, 2010 9:17pm
philu

the time bookends of meads’ shameful behavior at a time of a real ‘test’….

..(and he really failed/’lost’ that one…with the cavaliers tour being the low point..)

..and instead of just going away and shutting up…

..he now comes out with that cliched white racist-moan…that flies in the face of all the evidence/stats…

..that ‘the government is doing to much for maari..’…

how can he be anything else than an unreconstructed/unrepentant racist..?

(..and all in his own actions..and now again…by his own words….

..that’s how we ‘know’ colin meads…)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 17, 2010 9:18pm
toad

@d4j 9:10pm

And shame on all of them.

Mind you, the Cavaliers tour did have one upside for NZ rugby – it gave Sean Fitzpatrick and Joe Stanley – two of the greatest All Blacks – their first caps while the Cavaliers were banned.
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May 17, 2010 9:19pm
nickb

Paul, so you have met D4J before? What is he like in person? 🙂
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May 17, 2010 9:22pm
dad4justice

Did you like the treatment the 81 blue squad dealt out to your commie protesting mates toady? You never got over the red squads minto bar attack eh gripper?

Shut up Nicky – go do some washing or the dishes.
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May 17, 2010 9:22pm
philu

yes d4j…

and that was when rugby lost its’ hold on the country….

and it has never got it back…

(and the police also lost the respect of the country..)

my boy hangs with the smart kids at his school…

..and they just aren’t really into rugby..

..certainly nowhere near as much as boys his age wd have been in the past…

..and of course…another major cause of the loss of that almost religous adherence by fans..

..is that only those children who’se parents have sky….ever get to see a rugby test live…

..so..y’know…!

..it’s mainly all their own doing…

..as that ‘hold’ just continues to slip..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 17, 2010 9:31pm
Grizz

Toad sits there criticising Colin Meads for taking a bunch of rugby players on a racist tour to racist apartheid South Africa. Lets look at some of those racist players who toured:
Steve McDowell
Murray Mexted
Hika Reid
Wayne (Buck) Shelford
Frank Shelford
Bernie Fraser
Bill Osborne
Steve Pokere
Victor Simpson

While that is more than enough to lead the Haka, Lets not forget the team also included other prominant name such as:
Andy Dalton, Andy Haden, Jock Hobbs, The Whetton Brothers, Robbie Deans and Grant Fox.

Like or loathe the tour, the perspective of the rugby players is that a multiracial team can play well together and beat a racist one. I am sure this was a big motivation for all involved in the tour.
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May 17, 2010 9:33pm
philu

“..Paul, so you have met D4J before? What is he like in person?..”

(think ‘duelling banjoes’ porch-scene from ‘deliverance’…

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 17, 2010 9:34pm
dad4justice

Squeal like a pig phool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4LnfkdJDM
Rednecks rule.
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May 17, 2010 9:36pm
dime

nick – i suspect hes cranky 🙂
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May 17, 2010 9:38pm
nickb

Lol, good one phil.
D4J you really do make for an easy target with your unprovoked attacks on people. Maybe you should do something about those temper issues…
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May 17, 2010 9:38pm
nickb

You don’t say dime? 🙂
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May 17, 2010 9:38pm
dad4justice

Oh shut up Nicky and take another temper pill .
Boring dime.
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May 17, 2010 9:39pm
dime

i guess the upside is.. when hes on here abusing us, hes not inflicting damage on people in real life
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May 17, 2010 9:40pm
Grizz

Philu,

If your boy goes to school, why are you on the DPB?
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May 17, 2010 9:40pm
big bruv

Dime

You know, this endless baiting of D4J is getting tiresome, I just don’t know why you react…..ha ha ha 🙂
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May 17, 2010 9:41pm
dad4justice

Hi coward how about a coffee?
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May 17, 2010 9:42pm
toad

@dad4justice 9:22 pm

Yep, I got a few jabs from the Monadnok PR24, but far less than several others.

I decided to use my skills and became involved with organising a “direct action” unit later in the ’81 tour. Very effective protest. Shut down the television transmission to much of the country for the Second Test, blocked the Harbour Bridge for 50 minutes before the Third Test, and, um, things I probably should not say here even though I cannot be criminally charged for them 29 years on.

The best fun was being on a fizz-boat in the Bay of Islands and giving racially selected team a hard time while they attempted to have a relaxing cruise.

Oh, and in what was the THC Waitangi, when my friend Ana and I challenged two of the Springboks who were in the apartheid Police Force to a game of “Pot Black” on the pool table. They didn’t want to play that day though.
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May 17, 2010 9:43pm
dime

why wont you meet me for a coffee bruv?
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May 17, 2010 9:43pm
dime

“I decided to use my skills and became involved with organising a “direct action” unit later in the ‘81 tour. Very effective protest. Shut down the television transmission to much of the country for the Second Test, blocked the Harbour Bridge for 50 minutes before the Third Test, and, um, things I probably should not say here even though I cannot be criminally charged for them 29 years on.”

so youve always been a dick?
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May 17, 2010 9:44pm
big bruv

Why not Dime, sounds like a fantastic idea.

Just don’t bring any hookers.
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May 17, 2010 9:45pm
nickb

I suspect D4J likes his coffee to pack a real punch…. 🙂
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May 17, 2010 9:45pm
dad4justice

Clearly the minto bar has caused toady irreversible and ongoing side effects.

Nicky go play with your Punch and Judy hand puppets.

Big blouse = COWARD OF KIWIBLOG.
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May 17, 2010 9:46pm
big bruv

I did not know that Toad was that old Dime, normally one grows out of the socialist phase, as soon as you realise you cannot save the world and that most of the bludgers actually do NOT want to better themselves you see the error of your ways and come to the right.

Still, I have a bit of a soft spot for the old commie, anybody who likes test cricket cannot be all bad, the fact that he does not like T20 is also a point scorer as far as I am concerned.
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May 17, 2010 9:48pm
nickb

D4J I have never had a problem with you until tonight, your incoherent and vaguely aggressive ramblings on this site brought (if nothing else) some comedic relief.

However after abusing me for the heinous crime of attacking the sheep shaggers cheating rugby captain, you have shown yourself to be nothing more than a short tempered buffoon.

Get a life.
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May 17, 2010 9:49pm
big bruv

nick

Fancy joining Dime, Me and maybe even Comrade Toad for a coffee?
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May 17, 2010 9:51pm
dad4justice

I have a good life Nicky. Is a “short tempered buffon” the leader of the Act Party? Or is it a Trevor Mallard sub species?

Why is big blouse so frightened to catch up? Haha, what a spineless loud mouthed gutless wonder.
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May 17, 2010 9:51pm
toad

@dime 9:43 pm

why wont you meet me for a coffee bruv?

He’s waiting for the offer of the free threesome, dime.
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May 17, 2010 9:51pm
nickb

Agreed bruv.
Toad if you are going to engage in any more cricket related civil disobedience, please save it until the hit and giggle rubbish is on, you may even be doing us all a favour
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May 17, 2010 9:52pm
big bruv

Not with Dimes “ladies”…
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May 17, 2010 9:53pm
Pauleastbay

What a legend Toad, ,direct action group not quite the same as a para in The Falls Road area but pretty damn close eh?

trouble was when we hit you ,not as often as we would have liked you you ran off and complained about it, it was all good fun but when the going got tough you squealed all the time Send in the clowns
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May 17, 2010 9:53pm
toad

@ big bruv 9:45 pm

Just don’t bring any hookers.

Oh, that spoils that, then.
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May 17, 2010 9:54pm
nickb

Of course bruv.
D4J, you can come as long as you promise not to wear your batman costume.
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May 17, 2010 9:54pm
big bruv

Toad

“The best fun was being on a fizz-boat in the Bay of Islands and giving racially selected team a hard time while they attempted to have a relaxing cruise.”

Can I take it you will be doing the same this year when the racially selected Maori team is socialising?
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May 17, 2010 9:55pm
dad4justice

Sorry Nicky my Batman uniform stays on 24/7. I will crash thru the window in the coffee shop with the feds hot on my heels. Only have time for a quick sip, then out the back to the fire escape onto another mission.

Bat Cave shut down.
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May 17, 2010 9:57pm
toad

@ Pauleastbay 9:53 pm

…not quite the same as a para in The Falls Road area but pretty damn close eh?

There were a few young fellas from Tuhoi who wanted to go there. But they agreed to wise counsel and didn’t kneecap any of the Springboks (or eat them, for that matter)!
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May 17, 2010 10:04pm
Pauleastbay

So they are cannibals, JK was right..rock on
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May 17, 2010 10:10pm
big bruv

Nick

This is my party, I will decide who is invited thanks…

We already have one slightly deranged person coming along, I don’t think that we need any more in attendance.

But if you want to ‘do coffee’ with D4J then knock yourself out, I am sure it will be riveting, just a word of warning, don’t sit opposite him, I suspect you may well get covered in spittle and coffee if you do when he starts raging.
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May 17, 2010 10:11pm
nickb

Haha no thanks bruv I might pass thanks, I will certainly not want to risk the “knock yourself out” bit.

So D4J tell us, are you running against Anderton for mayor of Christchurch?
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May 17, 2010 10:13pm
big bruv

Of course he is Nick, have you not seen the bumper stickers

‘vote for mad dad’

The very first was on blue star cab 246 I think.
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May 17, 2010 10:21pm
nickb

Hahaha
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May 17, 2010 10:26pm
philu

you should use a banjo as a prop during yr mayoral campaign..

..wear some dungarees…and learn how to play ‘duelling banjos’…

..and just ‘be yourself’..

(you’ll be guaranteed media coverage..

..and might even make one of the 7pm lite-ent shows…)

phil(whoar.co.nxz)
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May 17, 2010 10:28pm
dad4justice

Nicky are you on the miss blouse payroll or just another backstabber without a backbone?

Phool pull another bong just maybe it might be the last straw for an addicted armed robber.

Nite nite, I hope the bed bugs bite you cowardly smears.
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May 17, 2010 10:29pm
nickb

Haha. Don’t forget the batsuit philu.

D4J I am just another kiwiblogger who has had enough of your abuse and short temper. Fuck off you lunatic.
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May 17, 2010 10:31pm
krazykiwi

Fuck off you lunatic

Gasoline, meet match.
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May 17, 2010 10:32pm
dad4justice

Unreal attack.
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May 17, 2010 10:35pm
LeftRightOut

Hay D4, I’ll be at Sullivans from 7pm Tuesday if you want a “coffee” or perhaps a pint of Guiness.

I’m the big bloke with a scowl, see you there pussy.
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May 17, 2010 10:35pm
dad4justice

^ Sorry Paul P, but I don’t drink with four eyed lepricons !
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May 17, 2010 10:39pm
LeftRightOut

So you truly are the World ChamPion Keyboard Coward, totally unable to face those who you so readilly abuse. Its a public place, you ought to be quite safe, but now you are outed, once and for all, as the loudest loudmouth with the smalleset pea brain and the least valour among us – kindly fuck off, shove your bible sideways up your arse and may your chooks turn into emus and kick your dunny down.
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May 17, 2010 10:42pm
Shunda barunda

^ Sorry Paul P, but I don’t drink with four eyed lepricons !

😀
This thread is gold!
You crazy b@stards have cheered me up!
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May 17, 2010 10:45pm
dime

hahaha glad i logged back in. funny!!!
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May 17, 2010 10:45pm
JiveKitty

Irony is dead, long live irony.
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May 17, 2010 10:54pm
gravedodger

Nickb and big Bruv, while I applaud your fanatical devotion to your cause, I think you could reserve some of you vitriol for the “hapless Hurricanes and stop carping on about the crusaders and your pathetic sermonising about their much admired success.
Yes Canterbury is very astute with the draft and Bowden has given their midfield an added dimention.
While you are ranting about imports
Micheal Patterson who has grown into his role came from Canterbury and suffered from the logjam at second row we have here in Canterbury.
Andrew Hoare, whose Loss on Saturday virtually killed off any hope in Sydney Comes From Central Otago.
Tyson Keats who has shown Fatty Weepu how to play at half back so well, surprise, surprise Just happened to come from Elesmere sub union in Canterbury where he was in competition with Ellis and FoTuaili from Tasman.
I accept it is Gut wrenching to have all the talent in FOUR 1st division teams and still struggle to deliver a team that can produce at super rugby level.
You have genuine talent at the Caketin with Hosea Gear, Conrad Smith, Cory Jane, Jeremy Thrush, Karl Lowe,Andrew Hoare and on a good day Neamiah but in Sydney On Saturday night when Tragically Hoare was invalided off the remaining players just lay down. What is it with them.
The GUY (emphasis intended) at second five will always be a net liability. Sure he can be a devastating runner and a brutal tackler (often thuggish IMHO), but how often does he turn the ball over when he goes to the line, how often does his decision making embarrass rather than enhance, the bloody Saffas just love him he is so easy to defend against and the bloody highlights in the hair, is that so a highlights package is always at hand.
Get over it your team didn’t turn up when it mattered at the end and that is not the first time. The Crusaders pissed me off with their slack game in Perth but when it really mattered they DELIVERED.
I say they can go all the way to the championship and I will be as proud as i have been on the other occasions. I well remember the first season of super, was it 10s, when they came a very bad last but the record since would have to have something above ;cheating, luck, poaching and all the other jealously inspired negativity that you both dribble on about.
Big Bruv, I respectfully ask who you would have appointed head coach instead of Hammett, if you replied last time I asked, I appologise as I missed it.
Go the Crusaders, all the way if you can.
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May 17, 2010 11:49pm
Hurf Durf

shove your bible sideways up your arse

Is that where Father Connolly put it in you?
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May 18, 2010 12:48am
Robert Black

A scathing and welcomed attack on the All Blacks by Kiwi Russell Crowe.

Just do it, or some childish shit like that, I mean who would adopt that simple shit as their motto in the sports world?

But although his simple childish idea was sound, I mean, when was the last time he read up on the Maoris and their litigation?

The Haka bro?

A mil a performance, ok bro?

From half the All Black team.

Haha, we play where?

That is not whitie land or our tribal land!

The All Blacks!

You racist pakehas! Suing your racist white asses for calling us that!

Oh the future litigation, if only Russell knew.
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