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May 16, 2010 9:06am by David Farrar

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Leonidas

Now that would be telling.

I’ve answered your question, the polite thing to do would be to answer mine.
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May 16, 2010 7:47pm
philu

“..Now that would be telling…”

why..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 16, 2010 7:52pm
Leonidas

Because it’s A) irrelevant & B) involving another’s family in discussion is deemed off limits. Have you forgotten about spitting the dummy after someone made your child the topic of debate?

Answer the first question. Yes or No will suffice.
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May 16, 2010 7:59pm
Leonidas

is the gun/the killing just basic ‘compensation’ for them

Given your experience Phil, I would think you would know all about firearm compensation.
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May 16, 2010 8:05pm
Leonidas

Or……
maybe you just……..
compensate with your bong?………

..Eh?….
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May 16, 2010 8:07pm
LeftRightOut

Pauleastbay (155) Says:

May 16th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
LRO

Bringing family into any scene is shit house

Whose family are we talking about? Jesus’?
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May 16, 2010 8:07pm
philu

never used a gun..

haven’t smoked a ‘bng’ in years..

aside from that..you are right on the money…

and the question is…

why do you attempt to defend ‘fat-fuck-hunters’..

..by an ad hominem attack on me..

if you ain’t a fat-fuck-hunter..

..or closely related to one…

..eh..?

so..defend ‘fat-fuck-hunters’..on their own merits..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nzz)
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May 16, 2010 8:24pm
Angus

Paul Piesse man.
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May 16, 2010 8:31pm
Luc Hansen

I missed this question for me from jiveKitty:

Is it a moral imperative to atone for the actions of long-dead groups?

Well no, but if we are talking about Maori, the group is not dead. In fact it is alive and well and yes, I do think it is a moral imperative to atone, not for the dead, but for the harm our racism has inflicted and is continuing to inflict on the living Maori, the descendants of those to whom the original harm was committed.

Just look at the Maori TV world cup debacle and the JK treachery towards Tuhoe and the JK racist jibes on cannibalism.

adrianb – I have no argument with Ranganui Walker. I would say he is correct. But just because the orginal Maori tribes had no concept of race until Europeans arrived doesn’t diminish their status as our indigenous people. Facts are facts.

It’s the same argument used to dispossess Palestinians. Palestinians were not nationalistic – they regarded themselves as Arabs and Syrians – until we forced them into a corner with our support of the colonisation of their land and their eviction by force from most of it. It doesn’t diminish their right to their ancestral lands and the occupiers will eventually recognise this.

Krazykiwi – I choose to recognise the accepted definition of indigenous: Indigenous peoples are any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection. as per Wikipedia, for example.
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May 16, 2010 8:40pm
Leonidas

“Fat-fuck-hunters”…….
Ad Hominem much yourself there phil…..

but hey…..

everyone’s…
entitled to….
a hobby….
Eh?….

Aliens3 is on, fuck this for a game of soldiers!
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May 16, 2010 8:40pm
Put it away

Luc – “Indigenous peoples are any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection”

So can we expect you to stand up for the rights of the indigenous people of Israel who have a far earlier historic connection than the palestinian “Arabs and Syrians…” ?
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May 16, 2010 8:49pm
Nomestradamus

D4J:

I don’t know why you bother chasing Big Bruv across every fucking thread, as you usually come off second-best, but I couldn’t help noticing this blatant lie from you on this thread:

dad4justice (6287) Says:
May 16th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

Get fucked coward blouse. I HAVE NEVER ABUSED A BLOGGERS FAMILY, STOP THE LYING BIG BRUV you COWARD. I know who LRO is and one day we catch up.

Does this thread ring any bells?

toad (2159) Says:
March 17th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

d4j – I agree with big bruv on very little politically – including the Waihopai 3 issue. But baiting him over the loss of his beloved dog for whom he will no doubt be grieving for months has to be the the most disgusting thing I have ever read on Kiwiblog.

You really are a demented sad fuck d4j.

I’d suggest you take Big Bruv’s advice at 7:07pm on board.
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May 16, 2010 8:49pm
dad4justice

So a dog is a human being. Come on get a grip! I just knew you would try that crap nomes. FFS get a life.
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May 16, 2010 8:52pm
philu

has anyone else noticed that gingas with their eyes very close together..just don’t ‘get’ dogs…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 16, 2010 8:57pm
LeftRightOut

OK, Alex is off home, and I’m going to settle down with a nice bottle of red, some dorritos and “Macbeth” on the tele.

What a great end to the day.

Night Alex, sleep well, I know you’ll have 2 smiles in the morning. 🙂
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May 16, 2010 9:06pm
Hurf Durf

I hope you told Alex’s parents their son would be out late.
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May 16, 2010 9:10pm
big bruv

Hey LRO;

Is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed among those who you consider to be a hero?
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May 16, 2010 9:10pm
krazykiwi

Krazykiwi – I choose to recognise the accepted definition of indigenous: Indigenous peoples are any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection

So you’d support full, state-funded research into pre-Maori inhabitation even if the findings where such that Maori were themselves re-classified as colonisers?

The history of human habitation stretches back 100’s of thousands of years in many places on earth, and bit less for the rest. Yet we’re asked be believe that 1000 years ago there was no human habitation in NZ? Cue Tui.

‘Patu-paiarehe is the name applied by the Maoris to the mysterious forest dwelling race. An atmosphere of mysticism surrounds Maori references to these elusive tribes of the mountains and the bush….The Patu-paiarehe were for the most part of much lighter complexion than the Maoris…their hair was of a dull golden or reddish hue, “uru-kehu”, as is sometimes seen amongst the Maoris of today…This class of folk-tales no doubt originated in part in the actual existence of numerous tribes of aborigines. This immeasurably ancient light haired people left a strain of uru-kehu in most ancient tribes’
— The Journal of the Polynesian Society, 1921, volume 30, pp. 96-102, 142-151, article by James Cowan

Understandably anyone doing research on pre-Maori history is met with official roadblocks. The first-peoples claim of Maori would be in tatters and there would need to be other reasons conjured up for the incremental, guilt-driven apartheid that NZers are currently subjected to. That would be too inconvenient. Better to staunchly defend the unbelievable.
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May 16, 2010 10:20pm
Luc Hansen

Put it Away

Prove it. The evidence is against you.

But it’s all a bit irrelevant considering the facts on the ground, wouldn’t you agree?

Now it’s just about human rights and it’s only a matter of time until Palestinians become full-fledged citizens of New Palestine.
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May 16, 2010 10:22pm
Luc Hansen

ah, krazykiwi, once again living up to your handle.

So that’ll be the Kelts, will it?

And they, no doubt, arrived a little after Jesus wandered over here on his travels, mated with a Moa and left us with the Wood Pigeons.

QED
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May 16, 2010 10:26pm
Luc Hansen

And just to close the Sunday out in a politically incorrect way:

Q. Why do women close their eyes when they are indulging in sexual activity?

A. ‘Cos they just hate to see a man having fun!
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May 16, 2010 10:29pm
krazykiwi

Luc, would support full, state-funded research into pre-Maori inhabitation even if the findings where such that Maori were themselves re-classified as colonisers? A simple yes or no would do. (or you could try to [lamely] laugh off the question. again.)
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May 16, 2010 10:30pm
Hurf Durf

In b4 “New Palestine” becomes a corrupt drug and people trafficking haven like Kosovo.
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May 16, 2010 10:45pm
Luc Hansen

KK

I fully support genuine research ie that which is without a pre-determined conclusion, no matter what the evidence.

But methinks you are just indulging in yet another of your conspiracy theories, you poor bugger.

Have you tried Prozac?
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May 16, 2010 10:57pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf Durf

I doubt it. Especially in Gaza. But it’s none of my business.
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May 16, 2010 11:07pm
dime

“D4J: The question then becomes what do you intend to do when you catch up with LRO in person?”

Ask him to stop ringing my landline etc…etc…etc…””

seriously? the dude crank calls you? lmao what a freakshow

“I hope you told Alex’s parents their son would be out late.” – HAHAHA
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May 16, 2010 11:23pm
Scott Hamilton

Hi adrianb, regarding the whole question of indigeneity, you might be interested in this post and the debate underneath it:

http://www.readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2009/12/redefining-tangata-whenua.html

The essay by Te Maire Tau which is discussed in the post is well worth seeking out.
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