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Redbaiter

The other day I read one of the usual nut case left wing thick as a brick dopers that pollute Kiwiblog claiming that Obama had proved he was born in the US “over and over again”. I was tempted to ask him when was the last time he proved it, but it wasn’t really germaine to the thread topic.

Recently two videos have surfaced of Michelle Obama speaking to different groups. ( here and here ) These speeches were given before the controversy over Obama’s elegibility arose. In each of the speeches she clearly refers to Kenya as Obama’s “home country”.”The dictionary definition of “home country” given by the All Words English Dictionary is-

” the country in which a person was born and usually raised, regardless of the present country of residence and citizenship ”

Michelle’s statement gels with newspaper stories that were published while Obama was running for the senate and identified him then as “Kenyan born”.

There is considerable anecdotal evidence that also suggests Obama was born in Kenya, including a reported conversation with an American Marine in Hawaii wherein Obama as a teenager freely offered and admitted his Kenyan birth as fact.

The US Constitution requires that any President of the US is born in the US. This requirement exists to ensure that American Presidents are loyal to the US and no other country or organisation.

So far, there is no real evidence of Barack Obama’s US birth other than a computer generated digital copy “Certificate of Live Birth” widely distributed on the internet but of doubtful origin and regarded by many as useless in establishing where Obama was really born, as it gives none of the detail that a normal Birth Certificate does such as the hospital where the birth took place or the name of the doctor who delivered the child.

These Certificates of Live Birth were apparently frequently given to residents in Hawaii who were of foreign birth.

Some supporters of Obama have pointed to newspaper advertisements that announced Obama’s birth as proving he was born in Hawaii, but these advertisements were placed automatically by newspapers based on information provided by various sources.

The suggestion is that these advertisements were placed by Obama’s family who were anxious to make it seem he was born in the US at that time for reasons connected to immigration status. It is fairly certain that none of the Obama family ever lived at the address given in the newspaper advertisements.

As innocous as they may be, these advertisements are in fact the strongest proof that Obama was born in the US. Many people say they want stronger proof.

On becoming President, Obama signed an executive order that has made all documentation relating to his past unaccessible to the media or anyone else.

He has spent millions in legal fees resisting legal attempts to investigate the origin of the “Certificate of Live Birth”.

So the fact is Obama has never once proved he was born in the US, and the evidence that exists strongly suggests otherwise.

That Obama has managed to get away with this subterfuge is more evidence of the corruption of the mainstream media, who even went to the extent of forging documents to try and prove certain events in George Bush’s past. And subpoened Bush’s dental records.

On Obama, they have done nothing.

List of sealed documents-

Obamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham’s divorce decree.
24 Why did Barack Obama resign from the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?

(Compare this with someone’s background check to visit the White House or to work in a missile plant.)
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April 4, 2010 10:12am
LeftRightOut

Fuck, you were really hanging out for that, weren’t you Rusty?

Honetly, who gives a fuck about your lunatic fringe fantasies? Obama seals documents, Palin seals her brain.
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April 4, 2010 10:15am
Rachael Rich

Valid questions Red, but surely if there was something ‘horrific’ there would be leaks of this information, especially if he is not ‘natural born’. Just like 9/11 conspiacies, it would take a heck of a lot of coercion to keep this quiet.
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April 4, 2010 10:18am
Rachael Rich

Why is this news: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10636219
– The wedding was a month ago, so old news for a start.
– They did not interview the people concerned.
– Then they trawl through Facebook and publish a conversation.
– They then state that where they married “has hosted a string of celebrity ceremonies”.
The guy has been on a program watched by 3 people. He is not a celebrity.

What has happened to the media? Since when have comments on blog sites and conversations on Facebook been newsworthy.

Get off your asses and out of the office and away from the computer.
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April 4, 2010 10:19am
Rachael Rich

Sat through The Nation and Q&A this morning. Won’t do it again.

Of all the questions to ask Mark Prebble, Duncan Garner felt that 2 of them should relate to Christine Rankin.
GET OVER IT!!!!
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April 4, 2010 10:21am
Rachael Rich

Oh – 3 posts. I am the new Philu eh…?!
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April 4, 2010 10:21am
LeftRightOut

I forgot to get up at 3Am today to change my clocks. Does that mean I have to stay on the old time for the rest of the year, or can I still change them now?
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April 4, 2010 10:23am
gazzmaniac

Red –
If he was born in Kenya, why hasn’t anyone gone to Kenya to find the smoking gun of his real birth certificate? It should still be a public document as the US president has no power to exercise an executive order there.
And before you state that Kenya is a third world country etc., it was a British colony until the 1960s and has kept the record keeping structure that was put in place for the colony.
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April 4, 2010 10:26am
eszett

Red, what would it take to convince you otherwise?
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April 4, 2010 10:29am
eszett

I know this wont help you, but hey, it’s worth a shot

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

and

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

“It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.”

Although it may be a big ask for you to consider “what’s reasonable”, Red
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April 4, 2010 10:37am
Redbaiter

Gazza- I don’t know all of the answers, I only know that all Obama needs to do to put the controversy at rest is to allow normal access to the documentation in Hawaii and other places. This is the problem overshadowing his whole Presidency, and if he has documentation to verify and support the fact he was born in the US, or the dubious Certificate of Live Birth why doesn’t he allow it to be shown? (Obama says in his book “Dreams of My Father” that he has a copy of his Birth Certificate) Given the insistence on secrecy, the only reasonable conclusion one can come to is that it shows something else.

Pressure was applied to Kenyan officials who previously openly stated Obama was Kenyan to shut up. It would be no problem to ensure that if there ever was a Kenyan birth certificate, it was to be destroyed or hidden. But that is just a side issue really. The real issue remains, why doesn’t Obama just provide something more tangible than the COLB? Why did he in the first instant he became President, sign that order concealing all details of his past???

Imagine the outrage if Bush had done this. Obama is protected by a corrupt media and a corrupt administration.
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April 4, 2010 10:42am
gazzmaniac

Red – why should Obama have to prove he is US born? No other president has had to. It should be up to his opposition to prove otherwise.
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April 4, 2010 11:11am
cha

Froth all you like Red but under Hawaii state law the release of a birth certificate is prohibited to people who do not have a tangible interest. So Hawaii may start ignoring repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born on the islands.

Of course the ‘freepers’ are not impressed.
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April 4, 2010 11:15am
Redbaiter

” No other president has had to.”

That’s it for you Gazza. I’m not wasting my time responding to any more of your shit. You want to discuss the issue, at least bone up on it.

In fact many US Presidents or candidates have faced this same examination. The most recent being John McCain who was made to jump through all kinds of hoops by Barack Obama et al because of his birth in the Panama canal zone.

I have no wish to waste time debating this with uninformed partisan idiots.
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April 4, 2010 11:18am
Redbaiter

Once again Cha, you post old old news with breathless import.

In fact, the only response to that shit is “So what?”.

Let’s see what happens with Lt. Col. Lakin.

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Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, who was born in Greeley and graduated from University High School, is asking Obama on an Internet video posted this week to furnish a birth certificate.

“For the first time in all my years of service to our great nation, and at great peril to my career and future, I am choosing to disobey what I believe are illegal orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan for my second tour of duty there,” Lakin says in the video.

He later adds, “President Obama, I ask you to respect and uphold the Constitution. Be transparent, and show your honesty and integrity. Release your original signed birth certificate, if you have one, thus proving your birth on American soil, and thus assure the American people you are lawfully eligible to hold the office of the presidency and serve as commander in chief of the armed forces.”
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April 4, 2010 11:21am
gazzmaniac

Redbaiter, just because I have a different opinion to you shouldn’t mean that I can’t debate with you. The John McCain issue was all hot air, and while it’s a bit rich for Obama not to provide the same proof, I still don’t think it’s an issue. The onus should be on his opponents to prove otherwise, or for Congress to have demanded such proof prior to the president being sworn in. Now he’s sworn in I don’t think there is anything anyone can do about it even if he is found to be born in Kenya.
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April 4, 2010 11:29am
eszett

Redbaiter (9339) Says:
April 4th, 2010 at 11:18 am

” No other president has had to.”

That’s it for you Gazza. I’m not wasting my time responding to any more of your shit. You want to discuss the issue, at least bone up on it.

In fact many US Presidents or candidates have faced this same examination. The most recent being John McCain who was made to jump through all kinds of hoops by Barack Obama et al because of his birth in the Panama canal zone.

So has Barak Obama, he had to jump through all kinds of hoops himself, due the claims. Actaully, questions about John McCain were raised AFTER they raised the question about Obama’s place of birth.

Anyway, he has proven it over and over again. He has produce dthe brith certificate, it’s been examined, gone over, approved, etc, etc. It’s convinced all the democratic institutions in the US.

Again, what would it take to convince you? Or Lt. Col Lakin?
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April 4, 2010 11:29am
cha

But surely Red, if someone with a tangible interest had asked to view the certificate and they had then publicly stated that it wasn’t available or didn’t exist then you would be able to inform us with breathless import that Obama was indeed ineligible for the presidency. So can you refer to any such statement?.
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April 4, 2010 11:32am
Redbaiter

“The onus should be on his opponents to prove otherwise, or for Congress to have demanded such proof prior to the president being sworn in.”

Once again, you show you don’t have a clue. He was certified as eligible by Nancy Pelosi and other such habitual mendicants, but crucial customary small print was removed from the certification document. I say again- do some damn research.

(and that doesn’t mean surfing through the web sites of the corrupt and partisan mainstream media. You might as well refer directly to Eszett’s posts as do that)
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April 4, 2010 11:35am
dime

why fall into Obamas trap?

question his birth certificate and you get labelled as a right wing nutjob. once youre labelled as that, youre arguments lose their merit.

if the GOP just nails him on policy, point by point, obama will be a one termer.
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April 4, 2010 11:40am
Michael

Obama was born in Hawaii. The facts given prove that he was. If the birth certificate or some other detail was faked it would have been exposed by now.
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April 4, 2010 11:41am
big bruv

Dime

“if the GOP just nails him on policy, point by point, obama will be a one termer”

Yes, a united GOP would indeed win easily, the problem is with all the tea party nutters splitting the vote, as I said the other day, The Kenyan, Pelosi and Emanuel have played this perfectly, the more they wind up the religious right the more then spilt the vote.
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April 4, 2010 11:47am
big bruv

The “facts” prove no such thing Michael.

All the right want is for the Kenyan to prove he is eligible to hold the office of POTUS, so far he has not provided conclusive proof.

But hey, since when have the dirty stinking Democrats worried about rules and the law?
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April 4, 2010 11:49am
Redbaiter

A “united GOP” in its present format is little better than Obama. Fuck off and join Labour Bruv. At least you’ll be able to contribute some good there.
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April 4, 2010 11:51am
cha

Still waiting Red for evidence that someone of import, other than frothing loons like yourself, is asserting that Obama is ineligible.
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April 4, 2010 11:56am
big bruv

And you say you are all for free speech Comrade Redbaiter…
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April 4, 2010 11:56am
Redbaiter

” question his birth certificate and you get labelled as a right wing nutjob. once youre labelled as that, youre arguments lose their merit.”

That is the right’s damn problem in a nutshell right there. Too damn gutless and intimidated by Obama’s propaganda corps, the mainstream media.

In every western country, the right needs to awaken to the fact that the media are just left wing propaganda agents and confront these deceitful cowards, who with their almost unlimited power to shape and mould public opinion, are in fact a de facto Progressive government.

Until these scum are confronted and destroyed, nothing will change. The cowering has to stop.
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April 4, 2010 11:57am
Redbaiter

Bruv, its another sign of your abject blackhole stupidity that you imagine the right of free speech can ever be threatened by anyone apart from government. Go away you knuckle dragging dipshit. Annoy someone else.
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April 4, 2010 11:58am
Michael

Not everything you read on the internet is true.
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April 4, 2010 12:01pm
gazzmaniac

The problem with debating with you Redbaiter is that whenever people disagree with you, you get defensive.
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April 4, 2010 12:04pm
Redbaiter

” The problem with debating with you Redbaiter is that whenever people disagree with you, you get defensive.”

I never have as much time as I want to write what I want. Going over drivel that has been gone over a hundred times is something I just do not have time for.

Andf then there is the rubbish- for example, there are about ten remarks already on this thread that didn’t need to made. Your latest, Michael’s worthless subjective shit, and Bruv’s bullshit at 11:56 for the most prominent examples.
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April 4, 2010 12:09pm
gazzmaniac

You just proved my point.
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April 4, 2010 12:17pm
Redbaiter

And you proved mine, with another gratuitous remark that didn’t need to be posted here.
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April 4, 2010 12:22pm
Michael

Oh well, you all keep on beleiving in your Left Wing conspiracies propping up a corrupt US adminstration. In the meantime I’m off to enjoy the day with my family and worry about things that are real.
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April 4, 2010 12:34pm
LeftRightOut

Redbirther, calm down, you’ll pop your pooper valve if you keep on like this.

Obama is the greatest thing to happen to the world since the birth of Christ. We have a new, black christ, and we can lynch him, too.
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April 4, 2010 12:36pm
gazzmaniac

Michael – I am at work on a slow day and have nothing better to do than bait the baiter. Have a good day out with the family.
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April 4, 2010 12:41pm
Redbaiter

Wow Gazza-, so you were “baiting”, and not debating as you claimed.

You complaints of “defensiveness” ring a bit hollow then don’t they hypocrite? Or I guess you could have been lying in one case or the other. Or perhaps you’re just too stupid to see the contradiction. Which is it?

Either way, I was clearly in error when I credited you with being interested in debate. That won’t happen again.
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April 4, 2010 12:57pm
gazzmaniac

Red – What exactly are we debating? Most of this thread seems to be dedicated to winding you up.
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April 4, 2010 1:11pm
Redbaiter

Really? To me it seems to be full of shit from losers like you who will do anything but discuss the real issue. That’s four posts in a row from you that shouldn’t have been posted to a discussion/ debate thread. You should shut the hell up if you’ve got no relevant point to make, and not clutter discussion with narcissistic small talk and other shit.
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April 4, 2010 1:14pm
gazzmaniac

OK bring up an issue – you’ve brought up Obama’s birthplace, and the general discussion from the thread aside from your comments is that nobody actually cares. So we need a new issue to discuss. What about Easter trading hours?
My thoughts on that issue are that if shopkeepers want to open and they have willing staff, they should be allowed to.
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April 4, 2010 1:27pm
big bruv

And if the workers are not willing they will be forced to work anyway.
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April 4, 2010 1:36pm
Bryla

I love U Bedrater. Will you marry me and have my love-child. we can go live in Kenya if U want.
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April 4, 2010 1:52pm
transmogrifier

Of course, workers, before taking a job, are free to ask whether they will be expected to work Easter Sunday, and more than free to turn the job down if the answer is yes.

Isn’t that the way the world works? When I was at uni, I took a job at the liquor store knowing I would have to work New Year’s Eve and thus be unable to go away with my mates to the beach. But I needed the money and was more than comfortable with the decision.
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April 4, 2010 2:00pm
RKBee

I here on the Marae TV1 programe this morning Tariana Turia is keen for Iwi and individual maori to recieve legal aid… for their maori legal right to go to court over maori desputed seabed and seashore claims.

I also here off air Tariana Turia said it’s time maori turned the education system around to suit maori.. If english is spoken in one of our government funded Whanau Ora providers classes we get to hit the kids over the knuckles.

National can’t see the forest from the tree’s…
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April 4, 2010 2:05pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

“If english is spoken in one of our government funded Whanau Ora providers classes we get to hit the kids over the knuckles.”

Is that a corrective or preventative smack over the knuckles?
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April 4, 2010 2:26pm
KiwiGreg

“Not everything you read on the internet is true.”

That’s what I had heard too. But then I googled it and it turned out everything you read on the internet IS true.
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April 4, 2010 2:38pm
Shunda barunda

I think Reds first post is well written and very reasonable, what the hell has Obama got to hide? if he can put all this to rest with very little effort, why won’t he do it?
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April 4, 2010 2:47pm
LeftRightOut

South African patriot, Eugene Terreblanche, has been murdered in his bed.

“The 69-year-old Afrikaans Resistance Movement leader was found on a bed with a machete on his body, and facial and head injuries, after an alleged dispute with two workers over unpaid wages.
Police arrested two men, aged 21 and 15, with a police spokeswoman telling SAPA that they had argued with Terreblanche over not having been paid for work done on his farm in the country’s north-west.”

http://www.theage.com.au/world/eugene-terreblanche-killed-in-south-africa-20100404-rl6v.html

What part of slavery don’t these jungle bunnies understand?
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April 4, 2010 2:50pm
Hurf Durf

I couldn’t care less where Barky’s whore of a mother chose to squeeze out her little inconvenience. What does matter, is that his malignant foreign policy and moronic economic policy is thoroughly aired in the open and discredited, much as Carter’s was in the late 70s. Daft stuff like birth certificates only distract from the overall mission of getting him out and done with in 2012 and give ammunition to his deluded followers like eszett, cha and Andrew Williams here.

As for easter trading: if a business wants to open, let it open. I’d rather have a day off during a normal day anyway.
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April 4, 2010 3:10pm
menace

Who gives a toss about america anyway.
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April 4, 2010 3:34pm
Redbaiter

“I couldn’t care less where Barky’s whore of a mother chose to squeeze out her little inconvenience.”

Three points Hurf-

1. Maybe you don’t care, but others think that the Constitution, given its the founding document of the US Republic, is something that should be upheld. In fact, American politicians take the oath to defend it upon achieving office.

2. Furthermore, this particular clause is considered important because of possible foreign allegiances that could impact upon the President’s thinking if he was born overseas, and this is a concern that is well founded given Obama’s apparent hatred of the US and his willingness to seek the approval of its enemies and bow ingratiatingly to foreign totalitarian dictators.

3. Who cares who it “gives ammunition to”. Let those losers use it as they can. We can defeat them on any issue, including this one, and if we’re going to start ignoring the Constitution just because we’re afraid that to defend it is to give leftist idiots “ammunition” to use against us then we might as well fold our tents and surrender to the Chicom Generals right now. Fuck that. On matters of principle, we need to grow a spine and confront these soviet style creeps and their treacherous lying media acolytes at every turn.
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April 4, 2010 3:49pm
boredboy

Redbaiter, I think the reason he is not disclosing his birth certificate et al is that he is getting away with not disclosing it.

And the reason for that is that not enough people care, dispite what you have been saying about Obama’s possible allegiances and interests.

It’s the same for the media.

There is a misconception among some professional groups and ‘the right’ in general that the media are against them.

While there are some papers and outlets that demonstrate a slight bias one way or the other, overall the reporting is pretty balanced. For every Matt McCarten, there is usually a Matthew Hooton.

In New Zealand, we have quite a small market consisting of mainly soft core voters. This is evidensed by the huge swings back and forth we have seen in elections over the past 30 years. See 1984 landslide election to Labour, 1990 landslide to National. It is also evidensed by a shorter-than-average political cycle of administration than other states where there is no limits on incumbency; see United Kingdom and Australia.

The reason this is important is that news outlets cannot afford to alienate consumers as much as overseas outlets where there is a stronger traditional or familial tie to a particular political party. To wit we certainly do not have the political dynastys that are found in the United States and all of this is reflected their much more partesian media.

When it comes down to it, media outlets are designed and operate to increase shareholder value. That is their main brief. The way they do that is to write stories that people want to read, increasing viewship ergo advertising revenue.

People obviously like reading stories that promote the left, which is why there are so many of them. It would be illogical to suggest they are trying to ram it down our throats or that there is a conspiricy in the media. If what we really wanted to read were stories that boosted the right, there would be a market or an unfulfilled niche for it. This has not become apparant outside boutique publishers such as the NBR.

There is a parallel misunderstanding in the aviation industry.

Some in aviation are disgruntled by the sensationalisation of air incidents and accidents. What they fail to understand is that people seem to like reading stories of this nature.

It is simply the market at work.
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April 4, 2010 4:55pm
Redbaiter

” For every Matt McCarten, there is usually a Matthew Hooton.”

Your whole thesis fell on its arse right there. Because the political spectrum is (in NZ) confined to extreme left on one end and center left on the other, Hooten is regarded as right wing. In fact, he’s just another Progressive posing as a right winger.

On a true political spectrum, McCarten’s opposite might be Ann Coulter. There’s nobody of Ann’s political sentiments in NZ.

” And the reason for that is that not enough people care, dispite what you have been saying about Obama’s possible allegiances and interests. ”

Plenty of people care. Polls demonstrate that more than 50% of US citizens think there is a possibility Obama is ineligible to hold office. The same left wing scum who sent plane loads of reporters to sift through Sarah Palin’s dumpster, and tried to make an issue of Bush’s national Guard service by FORGING documents have refused to subject Obama to one point of one degree of similar scrutiny. Don’t tell me there is no deliberate bias. I know my facts.

“People obviously like reading stories that promote the left, which is why there are so many of them.”

What worthless subjective crap. FOX news, only slightly right wing but much less left than its competitors, attracts twice as many cable viewers as its nearest rival and about four times as many as its other rivals. Air America went broke because nobody wanted to listen to left wing punditry. Glenn Beck Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity Bill O’Reilly and Mark Levin have the highest rating radio and TV shows in America.

Nz’s mainstream media, the NZ Herald especially, marches in lockstep with the Progressives who own and editorialise and write for the New York Times, and that entity is going broke faster than an ice business in Alaska.

Thanks anyway for the opinions expressed in your post. I’ll file them under “troglodytic nonsense” with others in the same detached from reality tired old liberal vein.
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April 4, 2010 5:20pm
Grant Michael McKenna

Actually, I have proof that Barack Hussein Obama was born in County Cork, Ireland. His real name is Barry Harrison O’Bama.
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April 4, 2010 7:03pm
dad4justice

I pray that bloggers like big blouse can get over their pathological problems. Just think of how much sadness he dwells in.
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April 4, 2010 7:09pm
LeftRightOut

The pathiology is in those whosuffer PAS and “Oh god, why me?” sindrome (sic)

Know any one like that, Petey?

Made any late night phone calls lately?
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April 4, 2010 7:27pm
dad4justice

Fugley try ringing me again and see what happens this time. Are you big blouse’s twin brother?
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April 4, 2010 7:34pm
big bruv

More threats of violence D4J

Better get a retraining order Leftrightout, don’t worry, D4J is very familiar with how they work.
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April 4, 2010 7:42pm
Fletch

Re: Obama –

Even his paternal Grandmother says she was there at his birth – in Kenya.

According to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama.

I think the media and other groups got so caught up in the fact that Obama would be the first black president, and it was such a opportunity for a story for them, they just ignored the fact of his not being eligible because of his Kenyan birth.
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April 4, 2010 7:45pm
dad4justice

No violence big blouse you twisted insane pathological cowardly smear. Fugley upset my family with crank calls ask police or or do want the file number. Look here mate stop this shit. Front up or shut up with your malicious comments you sicko! You are getting beyond a sick joke. Time to face your many demons you creep.

Clint can you please email me thank you.
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April 4, 2010 7:53pm
big bruv

If you are not a violent person D4J then why the threats and why the restraining orders?

From what I have seen on here you are the very type of person restraining orders were intended for.
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April 4, 2010 8:02pm
Pete George

Andf then there is the rubbish- for example, there are about ten remarks already on this thread that didn’t need to made.

24 in the first post?
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April 4, 2010 8:04pm
dad4justice

NB; disturbed big blouse with a nasty d4j pimple – go away you sick coward. The computer is far different to the REAL world. You should try living in the real world sometimes cowardly smear. I see phool knows your real identity. toad must have told him. Nice stuff eh.
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April 4, 2010 8:05pm
big bruv

What do you know about the real world D4J?

Legal aide and leaving the cost of child maintenance to the tax payers is not the real world.

How about standing on your own two feet and letting go of what you perceive to be injustices, from what I can see the courts got it right, your anger problems are obvious.

Get on with your life and stop being a bludger.
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April 4, 2010 8:12pm
dad4justice

big blouse from Yellowville – more cowardly lies. Anybody can see your hatred is pathological and should be treated asap. What a crackpot. Rather frightening that I live in a land with such malicious creeps who constantly attack. Wonder how much mouth I would get face to face. Go away you nasty troll. You are a total misfit of a bad joke.

End of story. Goodbye angry sad arse loser with the big d4j beef. Do you have bad dreams about me. Don’t answer, go take your dog for a walk. unreal sickness you got.
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April 4, 2010 8:18pm
big bruv

D4J

You are the one who always kicks off these shit fights, I am beginning to get sick of them to be honest and I know for a fact that many of our fellow contributors feel the same way.

However, sometimes you say things that just have to be commented on.

Take some advice D4J, stop being such an angry man, stop wanting the world to love you and realise that not everybody does, the sooner you do that the sooner you will no longer be consumed by hatred.

Oh….and stop being a bludger.
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April 4, 2010 8:31pm
Clint Heine

d4j, I don’t have your email address. Want to casually drop it by over at my blog? If not, just put my name together with no spaces and send it to yahoo.com 🙂
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April 4, 2010 9:14pm
dad4justice

No worries Clint, I NOW understand why big blouse is the way he is. It’s really quite sad for somebody to slander without knowing the facts of the situation. Just shows how cowards operate in a make believe world of hunches.
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April 4, 2010 9:58pm
dime

im just glad the D4J/Bruv fighting hasnt got boring yet. seriously guys, its on every dam thread!
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April 4, 2010 10:09pm
dad4justice

All can be fixed dime if the coward fronted up for a face to face meeting. No agro, I just want to know why the creep hates me so much and by the way I work. I am NOT a bludger but try telling it that. I have had meetings with other kiwi bloggers without no problems.
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April 4, 2010 10:11pm
Luc Hansen

To the meatheads on here

yes, that means RB, especially RB!

Not only has Obama’s birth certificate been seen and approved, his birth notice was published in Hawaii at the time.

But I suppose that’s all part of the conspiracy, right?
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April 4, 2010 10:17pm
toad

Luc, you will never convince wingnuts with facts or logic.

According to a recent survey quoted on frogblog, 32% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim.
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April 4, 2010 10:52pm
Redbaiter

” Luc, you will never convince wingnuts with facts or logic. ”

Hardly likely to convince anyone by just repeating tired old mainstream media bullshit. (but of course that’s all leftists ever do)

The bigoted and ignorant loon couldn’t even have read the post at the top of the thread or he wouldn’t have wasted his time writing the worthless crap he did. Or maybe that’s his real problem. He sees the words but they make no impression on his dysfunctional brain. Has to be some reason for his repetitive and glove puppet style utterances always a couple of light years away from reality.
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April 4, 2010 11:05pm
dime

“According to a recent survey quoted on frogblog, 32% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim.”

well he has stopped going to church..
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April 4, 2010 11:07pm
Redbaiter

“According to a recent survey quoted on frogblog, 32% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim.”

As they have every right to think, considering Obama is on record on more than one occasion referring to Islam as his faith. Here’s just one example-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18VOGykrgHo
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April 4, 2010 11:16pm
Redbaiter

Amnesty International finally come sout of the closet and admits it leftist political influences- namely by endorsing jihad in “self defense”. How putrid.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM4ZWNiMmE2YTVjOTU0OWY1ODg4ZDBlOTNjYTMwMGQ=
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April 4, 2010 11:18pm
Hurf Durf

you will never convince wingnuts with facts or logic.

That’s rich coming from a Green Party scummer.
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April 5, 2010 12:02am
eszett

# Fletch (943) Says:
April 4th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

Re: Obama –

Even his paternal Grandmother says she was there at his birth – in Kenya.

According to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama.

I think the media and other groups got so caught up in the fact that Obama would be the first black president, and it was such a opportunity for a story for them, they just ignored the fact of his not being eligible because of his Kenyan birth.

Fletch, you nned to be more vigilant with your research. Don’t believe everthing you read:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson’s birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)

No matter, though, because people who believe in a conspiracy theory simply hear what they want to hear. So some Birther sites have posted transcripts and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation and don’t include the corrections. McRae, for his part, included the full translation in his affidavit — he thinks it’s all just part of the conspiracy. “Some few younger relatives, including [translator Vitalis Akech Ogombe],” McRae wrote in his court filing, “have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Here’s the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

The audio can be found here. http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

It is remarkable what bullshit you birthers will believe anything as long as it supports your view
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April 5, 2010 12:17am
eszett

Redbaiter (9353) Says:
April 4th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

” Luc, you will never convince wingnuts with facts or logic. ”

Hardly likely to convince anyone by just repeating tired old mainstream media bullshit. (but of course that’s all leftists ever do)

Hardly likely to convince anyone by just repeating tired old right-wing conspiracy bullshit. (but of course that’s all boneheaded right-wing whingers ever do)
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April 5, 2010 12:21am
Redbaiter

There is no conspiracy. All that has to happen is that Obama needs to prove his place of birth. If he had done this, or if he would do it, then that would be the end of the matter. Sealing all of his records by Presidential decree and spending huge amounts to block further investigation of the internet provided COLB only makes everyone suspicious.

Pffft….

What a pathetic joke you commies are. I could just imagine you all being this lacking in curiosity if it was George Bush who had sealed all of his records.
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April 5, 2010 12:59am
jaba

Bi$hop Tamaki went to taranaki to sort out some issues .. this is how it was described on STUFF:
“The bishop paid a visit to settle things here,” he said
PAID … PAID ???
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April 5, 2010 7:37am
Inky_the_Red

For once I agree with Redbaiter, It appears that Obama was born in New Zealand and hence is not eligible to be president of the USA.

The place that is some now call Hawaii is actually the Sandwich Islands. King Dick Seddon made it very clear that these Islands are part of New Zealand. If it wasn’t for the British leadership at the time, Seddon would have taken these back.

Our current PM spends a lot of time in those islands preparing for the return to NZ. He has already acquired land there to be used for administrating the islands from. As minister of tourism he spends a lot of time investigating the possibilities for tourism on the Sandwich Islands.

Well spotted Red the world owes you a debt. It is only fitting that you lead our troops in the conquest of our rightful territory. Good luck and may the gods (if any actually exist) be with you
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