General Debate 3 April 2010

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gazzmaniac

I’m first!
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April 3, 2010 10:04am
philu

this is kinda cool..

and surprisingly on-the-money..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/the-internet-in-1969-how-we-imagined-the-future-video/

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April 3, 2010 10:25am
philu

and this is just outright funny…

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/daily-show-it%e2%80%99s-like-health-reform-was-some-sort-of-intestinal-blockage-for-obama/

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April 3, 2010 10:49am
Inventory2

Another GD buggered!
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April 3, 2010 10:55am
Murray

Isn’t there demerits for outright link sluttery?

Its basically comment spam.
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April 3, 2010 11:11am
philu

gee murray..what have you ever contributed..

..that has ever been in the slightest bit interesting..or amusing..?..eh..?

shouldn’t there be demerits for ‘outright’ (heh!) terminal-boredom-inciting/inducing..?

y’know..!..a couple of warnings to ‘interest-up’..or else..?..)

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April 3, 2010 11:16am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Phil, how many genuine comments have been lodged at Whoar during the last twenty days?
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April 3, 2010 11:26am
Yvette

“Phil, how many genuine comments have been lodged at Whoar during the last twenty days?”

A steady stream . . .
Vera April 1
Sofia March 25 [dumped all of Philu’s whaor links on Kiwiblog that day back as comments on his blog]
Tauhei Notts March 16
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April 3, 2010 11:42am
philu

gee..!..maybe i should tell you what you are missing..eh..?

today..so far..twenty-six stories/links..

on subjects such as:

i-pad review

daily show excerpt..

bpa in plastics..

‘ridiculous’ animal-research/experiments..

smokers are dumb..(proven..!..iq tests..!)

top 100 interior design blogs..

hadron collider/higgs bosun warning from future..

internet in 1969

colbert slices veggies..with i-pad..

a geithner is/was an idiot..attack..

why the world hates america..

self-improvement junkies..

demons of pope benedict..

church in crisis..

brits hate labour..and tories..

‘workhouse-nation’..

18 million more foreclosed-on..in california..before end of year..

tent slums in america..

u.s. diet..

(local)..broke developers..

man who computer-inspired bill gates..dies..

tongan prime minister damned in ferry-sinking report..

(local) ..dodgy bridgecorp directors..

(local)..armstrong on upcoming coalition woes for key..

(local)..asians anglicize their names..to get work/apply for jobs..

whoar..!..eh..?

and twenty-five or so..each and every day..!

thanks for yr enquiries..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 12:00pm
philu

and adolf..unlike your..and farrars’…blog-efforts..

whoar is not a talkback-model..

..it is a news aggregator/compiler ..

so..meh..!..eh..?

how is yr talkback-model going..?

is it like here..?

lots of heat and noise..?

signifying/informing little..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 12:09pm
philu

still relying on the herald there..and fox news..for yr worldview/memes..?

eh..?..adolf..?

what a strange universe you must inhabit..

why..!..you might even think that palin is ‘the one’ to beat obama in 2012..eh..?

carry on..!

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 12:15pm
Kris K

Oh my Lord – six of the first eleven comments are by Phool.

I guess I’ll be steering clear of GD today!
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April 3, 2010 12:54pm
philu

would that you could extend that..eh..?

your particular brand of god-bothering fundamentalism..

is particularly strident/repetitive/mono-dimensional..

..and biggest ‘sin’ of all..boring..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 1:07pm
gazzmaniac

Phil, how can you review an iPad if you’re on a benefit? Oh shit, that’s right, you didn’t and you pirated someone else’s.
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April 3, 2010 1:27pm
Kris K

Phool 1:07 pm,

is particularly strident/repetitive/mono-dimensional..

..and biggest ’sin’ of all..boring..

Once again; makes his own point.
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April 3, 2010 1:37pm
starboard

’bout time you got a life whore outside of spanking over your computer…eh..eh..meh!
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April 3, 2010 1:39pm
philu

no..i linked to a review..i took readers to a story..

are you having some difficulty in grasping the concept.model of news-aggregation ..there..gazzman..?

(..i’ll speak slowly..)

i go and look at lots of places..and find the interesting/funny/enlightening stuff..and put it all in one place.

..and i do this each and every day…

are you with me so far..?

and that is about it..really..

get back to me if you still don’t understand..eh..?

(and i’ll try and draw you a simple diagram..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 1:43pm
philu

no.kk..i am multi-dimensional..

..and those twenty-five plus stories/links each day..are anything but ‘boring’..eh..?

but y’know..!..you just keep on wallowing in yr medievil ignorances..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 1:45pm
Chuck Bird

Insurance companies quiz customers on sex-life secrets

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10636081

I see some insurance companies have been asking prospect clients if they have had sex with a prostitute. This is done so they can access the risk of HIV and other serious diseases. One company has been doing since 2004 and this is the first time I have heard of a complaint to the Privacy Commission.

The chance of contracting HIV from a prostitute in New Zealand is low particularly if the prostitute is not from overseas. The chances of contracting HIV from homosexual behaviour would be many times higher. I bet if any insurance company asked if a male had sex with another male there would have been a complaint made closer to six minutes that six years.
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April 3, 2010 1:48pm
starboard

when do the yanks take over whore..heh heh ..I’ll give ya 5 bucks for ya poxy site just so I can close it down…waste of webspace..heh..eh? eh?
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April 3, 2010 1:48pm
philu

oh look..!..chuck bird found this mornings’ herald..!

..what time is it again..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 1:55pm
Chuck Bird

I do not sit all day at my computer. I was at Kelly Tarlton’s with my grandchildren today. Have you a point to make?
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April 3, 2010 2:04pm
Kris K

Chuck Bird 1:48 pm,

Insurance companies quiz customers on sex-life secrets

I see some insurance companies have been asking prospect clients if they have had sex with a prostitute. This is done so they can access the risk of HIV and other serious diseases. One company has been doing since 2004 and this is the first time I have heard of a complaint to the Privacy Commission.

I’m surprised it’s only been asked as recently as 2004, and that it’s only one company.

As promiscuity has gone through the roof in our society, one would think that the likelihood of increasing incidents of all manner of STDs, not just AIDS/HIV, would be of concern to insurance companies.

What are the direct financial costs to the health industry regarding STDs, etc?
And let’s not get into the broader ‘social’ and ‘moral’ costs to society for promiscuous lifestyles of whatever flavour.
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April 3, 2010 2:12pm
gazzmaniac

are you having some difficulty in grasping the concept.model of news-aggregation ..there..gazzman..?

No, I prefer to use stuff.co.nz and news.com.au. They’re a bit more professional.
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April 3, 2010 2:15pm
bc

I would have loved to have been at Tolley’s national standards meeting at the North Shore on Wednesday. Prof Warwick Elley got straight to the point. Here’s 20 points he made (apparently there’s more to come!):

1. The National Standards policy assumes “One Size Fits All”. BUT – each child should work to his/her own standard.

2. The Standards have been hastily prepared by committees, and untested for difficulty.

3. The wording of the Standards is vague and capable of many interpretations.

4. There is no research showing that NCEA Level 2 lines up with the progress levels indicated by the National Standards.

5. The sources that teachers make their judgements on will vary widely, making comparisons quite unfair.

6. The advice on moderating teacher judgements is naive, and ignores the problems which have dogged such policies.

7. When results are made public, league tables will follow, and many assessments will soon become “High Stakes”.

8. High Stakes testing for accountability in this way interferes with the formative value of assessment.

9. Teachers will feel pressured to waste time coaching their children on standardised tests, thus invalidating them.

10. Overseas experience shows that other key subjects in the curriculum will be downgraded.

11. Teaching will lose much of its spark and spontaneity, and children become bored.

12. Bright children and slow learners will be ignored, as gains in their achievements won’t be reflected in schools’ results.

13. Schools will be judged unfairly, as the assessments largely reflect the school’s socio-economic status, not progress made.

14.Overseas experience shows these policies do not reduce the size of the tail of under-achievement.

15.Many of the students who do not reach the standards will be judged and labelled as “failures”.

16. Dedicated teachers who work in low-decile schools will soon seek to move, rather than remain in a failing situation.

17. More teacher time will be spent on assessing, reporting and moderating, rather than teaching.

18. The “long tail” is dominated by ESOL pupils, Maori & Pasifika pupils, and others who are disabled or disturbed. Standards won’t change this.

19. This policy will require full cooperation of teachers. Most disapprove, so full cooperation is unlikely.

20.“Big Shake-Ups” always require a period of trial before implementation, as so many things can go wrong.

I wonder if Tolley responded to any of them, or just reverted to type and repeated meaningless (and often infactual) sound bites.
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April 3, 2010 2:17pm
philu

define ‘professional’..

are they more ‘qualified’ than i am..?

do they cast a wider net than i do..?

do they ‘find’ better writers/better written pieces than i do..?

the answer to all those is ..’no.’.

once again..define ‘professionalism’..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 2:18pm
Kris K

Chuck Bird 2:04 pm,

Have you a point to make?

You obviously have higher expectations of Phool than I do. Apart from ‘promoting’ his website, does he have any purpose in being here? – the term PointLESS comes to mind.
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April 3, 2010 2:18pm
philu

i am here to argue yr ignorances into the ground..

whattayagot..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 2:22pm
Chuck Bird

As promiscuity has gone through the roof in our society, one would think that the likelihood of increasing incidents of all manner of STDs, not just AIDS/HIV, would be of concern to insurance companies.

I have taken part in a lot of adventure sport over the years and still do. Insurance companies are able to ask about such activities so they can access their risk. If they cannot access their risk everyone’s premiums go up.

They can ask if one uses a prostitute as there is not government funded prostitute’s users group to complain. However, they cannot ask if you are a male have you had sex with another male as the taxpayer funded homosexual lobby group, the AIDS Foundation, would be complaining. We even get the lunatic fringe of the homosexual lobby groups opposed to such a question when one is donating blood.
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April 3, 2010 2:26pm
Kris K

Chuck Bird 2:26 pm

However, they cannot ask if you are a male have you had sex with another male as the taxpayer funded homosexual lobby group, the AIDS Foundation, would be complaining. We even get the lunatic fringe of the homosexual lobby groups opposed to such a question when one is donating blood.

Yep, it’s a queer agenda – public safety be damned!

One can see how in the near future receiving blood, for whatever reason, will be close to playing Russian roulette – click, bang, you’re dead.
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April 3, 2010 2:45pm
philu

um..!..i think they test blood these days..kkk..

..have done for some decades now..

..as i understand it..

anything else you need to help drag you out of 1954..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 2:50pm
gazzmaniac

define ‘professional’..

are they more ‘qualified’ than i am..?

Actually, yes. They are journalists whose job it is to report the news, they do it every day.

do they cast a wider net than i do..?

I’d say so. Do you get direct access to the newswire from AAPT and Reuters?

do they ‘find’ better writers/better written pieces than i do..?

Some of yours are just the same. Others you don’t link to.

They also present the news in a format that I want to read.
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April 3, 2010 2:58pm
bc

Heterosexual people can get AIDS too you know Chuck. Or are you one of those lunatics that thinks it’s gods punishment to the gays?
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April 3, 2010 2:58pm
philu

hey kkk..!..and all you other corpse-munching christians..!

here is ‘the word’..from your man..from the dead sea scrolls..

read this..and repent..!

..eh..?

“..If you care to witness Jesus’ words untouched, read this from the Dead Sea Scrolls (long hidden by the Roman Catholic Church) ..

.. written in Jesus’ native language .. and written in his time.

Probably written by the man himself.

Don’t let corpse-munchers edit history with their, “My god says it’s cool to murder” shit!

Set the “I got an excuse for everything” blood-suckers straight with this nugget:

“It was said to them of old time, ‘Honor thy Heavenly Father and thy Earthly Mother, and do their commandments, that thy days may be long upon the earth.’

And next afterward was given this commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ ..

.. for life is given to all by God .. and that which God has given .. let not man take away.

For I tell you truly, from one Mother proceeds all that lives upon the earth.

Therefore, he who kills, kills his brother.

And from him will the Earthly Mother turn away .. and will pluck from him her quickening breasts.

And he will be shunned by her angels .. and Satan will have his dwelling in his body.

And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb.

For I tell you truly .. he who kills .. kills himself .. and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts .. eats of the body of death.

For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; ..

..in his breath their breath to stink; ..

..in his flesh their flesh to boils;

.. in his bones their bones to chalk; ..

.. in his bowels their bowels to decay; ..

.. in his eyes their eyes to scales; ..

.. in his ears their ears to waxy issue.

And their death will become his death.

For only in the service of your Heavenly Father are your debts of seven years forgiven in seven clays.

But Satan forgives you nothing .. and you must pay him for all.

‘Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot; burning for burning, wound for wound; life for life, death for death.’

For the wages of sin is death.

Kill not .. neither eat the flesh of your innocent prey .. lest you become the slaves of Satan.

For that is the path of sufferings .. and it leads unto death.

But do the will of God .. that his angels may serve you on the way of life.

Obey, therefore, the words of God: ..

.. ‘Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is breath of life ..

.. I give every green herb for meat.

But flesh, and the blood which quickens it, shall ye not eat.

And, surely, your spurting blood will I require, your blood wherein is your soul; I will require all slain beasts, and the souls of all slain men.

For I the Lord thy God am a God strong and jealous ..

.. visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; ..

.. and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me .. and keep my commandments.

Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength: this is the first and greatest commandment.’

And the second is like unto it: ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself’ ..

.. There is none other commandment greater than these.”

This passage is from: DEAD SEA SCROLLS—THE ESSENE GOSPEL OF PEACE, compared, edited, and translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely—

–purports to be a fragment (about 1/8 of the complete manuscript) of the ESSENE GOSPEL OF JOHN .. which details the healing works of Jesus.

What makes this document unique is that it is Szekely’s direct translation of the original text ..

.. which was discovered in the Vatican Library in Aramaic .. and which is in the Royal Library of the Hapsburgs in Old Slavonic.

The Aramaic text dates from the 1st century, while the Old Slavonic version is a literal translation of the former.

The Gospel is said to have traveled from Palestine into the heart of Asia and then into the hands of the Nestorian priests ..

.. who safeguarded it through the ages…”

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/and-jesus-said-choke-on-a-chicken-bone-and-die/

whoar..!..eh..?

you are in deep deep shit..!

..eh..?

how are you going to wriggle out of this one..?

as shown..these are the words/orders of your spiritual master/god..

..how can you ignore them..?

and just believe the meat-industry ads..?

eh..?

happy easter..!..eh..?

a time for reflection..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 3:35pm
gazzmaniac

And you wonder why people don’t visit your website
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April 3, 2010 3:49pm
philu

um..!..stil ‘bored’..?..there..?..kkk..?

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April 3, 2010 3:52pm
starboard

no one’s interested in ya ramblings whore…go and smoke a joint ya loser..
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April 3, 2010 4:13pm
MikeNZ

I agree Kris
HIV should be a notifiable disease like Hepatitis and others.
Homosexual lobby has the govts tits in a wringer over public health.
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April 3, 2010 4:14pm
Inventory2

Phil – seeing as you want to quote scripture, why not reflect on this bit, which is highly pertinent to this weekend:

After the Sabbath, as the first light of the new week dawned, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to keep vigil at the tomb. Suddenly the earth reeled and rocked under their feet as God’s angel came down from heaven, came right up to where they were standing. He rolled back the stone and then sat on it. Shafts of lightning blazed from him. His garments shimmered snow-white. The guards at the tomb were scared to death. They were so frightened, they couldn’t move.

The angel spoke to the women: “There is nothing to fear here. I know you’re looking for Jesus, the One they nailed to the cross. He is not here. He was raised, just as he said. Come and look at the place where he was placed.

“Now, get on your way quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He is risen from the dead. He is going on ahead of you to Galilee. You will see him there.’ That’s the message.”

The women, deep in wonder and full of joy, lost no time in leaving the tomb. They ran to tell the disciples. Then Jesus met them, stopping them in their tracks. “Good morning!” he said. They fell to their knees, embraced his feet, and worshiped him. Jesus said, “You’re holding on to me for dear life! Don’t be frightened like that. Go tell my brothers that they are to go to Galilee, and that I’ll meet them there.” Matthew 28: 1-10 (The Message)

And the good news Phil is that NOBODY, not even you is beyond salvation. All it takes is a little bit of faith; are you up to it?
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April 3, 2010 5:37pm
philu

are you just going to ignore that clear message..not to eat gods’ creatures/animals..?

do you really think your god wd approve of his creatures being enslaved in barborous conditions..living lives of suffering/misery..

..just so you can fucken eat them..?

given that above directive..

(which i repeat:..comes from the dead sea scrolls..written in the times of jesus..

..not hundreds of years later..)

do you really think you are on the right path..?

that you are doing your gods work/will..

..when you eat his creations..?

btw..the word ‘dominion’..as in ‘you shall have dominion over them’ (animals)..

..(which is the line carnivorous christians usually trot out to excuse their barbarisms..)

..actually comes from the greek..and means care/responsibility..

..once again..not that you have the green light to fucken eat them..

..eh..?

i think i’ll start my own religion/church..

‘the church of the vegan jesus’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 5:49pm
gazzmaniac

Good idea Phil, start a church and make some money like Brian Tamaki. Then you’ll be able to get off welfare and everyone will be happy.
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April 3, 2010 6:11pm
philu

are you going to be the first to donate/tithe..?

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April 3, 2010 6:13pm
Kris K

Inventory2 5:37 pm,

And the good news Phil is that NOBODY, not even you is beyond salvation. All it takes is a little bit of faith; are you up to it?

As much as I agree with the sentiments of your comment, and that indeed no one is beyond salvation, I feel that the greatest stumbling block to most people receiving Christ, and thus salvation, is the fact that they won’t/can’t humble themselves and swallow their PRIDE. And there’s no doubt about it; Phool is a PROUD man.

Short of a major personal catastrophy I really don’t see much getting through to him. Good on you for trying , but I’ve pretty much applied 1 Corinthians 5:5 on the basis that this is speaking of an unsaved individual. Perhaps a bit harsh, but it really is “pearls before swine” in Phool’s case.
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April 3, 2010 6:17pm
JiveKitty

Another wall of silence in case of a baby death?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3544637/How-did-Sage-die
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April 3, 2010 6:23pm
philu

no..it is obviously ‘“pearls before swine” in your case..eh..?

are you denying that gospel..?

just who is the ‘proud’ man..?

..eh..?

i have accepted that teaching..

why can’t you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 6:23pm
Kris K

JiveKitty 6:23 pm,

Another wall of silence in case of a baby death?

Isn’t it great to see Bradford’s bill making such a difference to child abuse/deaths in New Zealand?
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April 3, 2010 6:56pm
Steve

There must be a new Language, I can read it, but the Language is corrupted, it conflicts with the English Language.
Punctuation, full stops, commas, brackets all over the text.
Is this a new Mental Condition? or a Phobia about making a sentence understandable?
Or is it Drug induced trying to show Teaching but not Learning.
Lots of people learn very quickly in life that they are a Fuckwit, then again, some never learn. Some fuckwits make a lot of money, some fuckwits make money from other people

Paula is coming to cut your lawns Phool, and that ain’t all she’s gonna cut
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April 3, 2010 6:57pm
Hurf Durf

Huruld mong Paul Thomas manages to conclude that 24 is to blame for dissenters and fictional “right-wing extremists.”

How does this idiot dress himself in the morning? He should stick to scribbling about sports, it’s more in his intellectual league.
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April 3, 2010 7:09pm
Trevor Mallard

bc polite to credit Red Alert when you cut and paste http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/04/02/20-reasons-for-tolley-to-trial/ amother set of comments from Elley where he takes aprt a reading standsrd at http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/04/03/an-example-chopper-tolleys-standard-for-year-4-reading/
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April 3, 2010 7:12pm
JiveKitty

@Kris K: That bill was definitely fought with the wrong framing because it’s a poor instrument to target child abuse, particularly in the short-to-medium term. Sometimes a smack is a necessary tool.
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April 3, 2010 7:13pm
Hurf Durf

Well, what a surprise.

Most of the indicted militia members accused of being anti-government extremists have active voting records, a check with area voter registration offices showed yesterday.

One is a registered Democrat, and the party affiliations of the rest could not be determined.

Jacob J. Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio, voted as a Democrat in the 2004 and 2008 primary elections, and in 10 other elections since 2000. Voters’ political affiliations in Ohio are determined by which party’s ballot they request during even-year primary elections.

But Paul Thomas said they’re all conservatives!!1111

Remember, kids: the “danger” comes from “the enemy within.” Which weren’t the left-wingers calling Bush a Nazi and responsible for a massive terrorist attack.

Prick.
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April 3, 2010 7:54pm
JiveKitty

@Philu: Please don’t start a religion. I wouldn’t want to see you try to top one which promotes a zombie as saviour (He has risen. Hallelujah!) and depending upon which strand you pick, advocates the ritual consumption of human flesh and blood either figuratively or through transubstantiation, literally. I also wouldn’t like to see you try to top another one which pretty much encourages the idolisation of a pedophile as model for good behaviour (despite idolatry being forbidden. Oh the vagaries of religion.)
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April 3, 2010 8:37pm
philu

following that gospel..

the ‘church of the vegan jesus’ has two main philosophical/theological pillars..

(and is..of course..pan-theological/accepting of all other faiths/beliefs..)

..i..thou shalt follow the dictates of the essene gospel of peace..

..and will not eat flesh..nor harm animals..in any way..

..2..love/care for thy brother/sister/fellow creatures..

there shall be no hierachies..no rituals..

..save for ongoing care/love/protection of suffering/exploited animals..

..followers will be known by/for their ‘works’..

..and will all work to help each other/the animals..

..through cooperation is strength..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 3, 2010 9:13pm
Luc Hansen

Philu and others:

The correct translation of the “love thy neighbour” commandment, from the original Aramaic, is, in fact:

Love thy neighbour and thyself” (emphasis added).

It’s a big difference, but little noticed. One needs to think it through.

Hurf, you silly little boy, afraid of face to face debate, you need to understand that essentially all voters in the US are conservative by our standards, and there are extremists in both parties. But only one party actively preaches extremist ideology – your mates the Republicans, until they get into power, of course.

A recent poll showed that fully 51% of US citizens of voting age see the Federal Government as an imminent threat. A threat to what, I’m not sure, but it sure bodes ill for those who actually believe in democracy, the rule of law, and individual freedom that respects the rights and beliefs of others. This poll result is, in my opinion, due to the flood of extremist rhetoric from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Charles Colson – the latter recently advocated killing police arriving to confiscate illegal arms. Really nice guys, huh?
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April 3, 2010 10:21pm
Hurf Durf

When in doubt, blame Rush. Zzzzzzz. You still haven’t addressed the left-wing whining from 2000-8. There’s a nice little video with pretty colours too, just for you. I’m sure you’ll find it very coherent.

Mark Webber doesn’t deserve pole position.
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April 3, 2010 10:29pm
Chuck Bird

Heterosexual people can get AIDS too you know Chuck. Or are you one of those lunatics that thinks it’s gods punishment to the gays?

bc, using your logic or lack of, some non smokers die of lung cancer so cancer does not greatly increase the rate of getting lung cancer. Many of us at some time have driven home drunk yet not killed ourselves or anyone else. Does that mean that drunk driving should not be a criminal offence? I am not a lunatic. I would not suggest you are but are you capable of debating an issue as opposed to using insults in place of logic?

um..!..i think they test blood these days..kkk..
..have done for some decades now..
..as i understand it..

philu, a person can be can be infected with HIV on a Monday get tested and donate blood on a Friday. There is no test that will tell if the blood is infected. That is why they try to determine if a person is at a significantly higher risk before they ask them to donate blood. That is also why they insurance companies ask if a person has had sex with a prostitute. Logically they should also ask if a male has had sex with another male like blood services does but they are probably concerned about people complaining about discrimination. The complaint is as illogical as a complaint about asking if someone smokes tobacco or marijuana.

Insurance companies have a right to determine who is at a lower risk due to their lifestyle and offer then a lower premium. This is generally accepted except when it comes to people who choose to put themselves at much higher risk due to their sexual lifestyle.
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April 3, 2010 10:57pm
bc

Sorry Trevor, it was your post on red alert that I saw – well done for posting it.

It was the most straightfoward and concise (yet incredibly detailed) list pointing out the flaws of national standards I have ever seen. The “20 reasons” list should be shouted from the rooftops! And it speaks volumes that NO ONE on this site has responded to it. Hopefully, some people who had the blinkers on about national standards are now strating to critically think about them.
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April 4, 2010 12:36pm
bc

I’ve read your analogies Chuck, but they don’t apply in my opinion. AIDS is a heterosexual disease as much as a homosexual disease – unlike some of the posters in here, it doesn’t discriminate!
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