General Debate 29 April 2010

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MikeNZ

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Is the world going bonkers?
a high court judge acting without integrity.
With a QC knowing he has something over him and still appearing before him

Everyone slagging the high court judge but no one saying WTF about the QC’s behaviour.

Wilson, Galbraith.
and which other Qc’s knew of it but said nothing to the law society?
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April 29, 2010 9:15am
mawm

Environment Minister Nick Smith said yesterday “New Zealand would be unlikely to proceed with the full obligations for the energy, transport and industrial sectors and to add additional sectors to the emissions trading scheme in New Zealand if there was not progress in other countries, particularly of trading partners like Australia, Japan and the United States.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10641509

The pressure is getting to them. Unfortunately Nick, nothing but a repeal of the whole ETS will satisfy us…………and while you are about it, bin Kyoto!
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April 29, 2010 9:17am
toad

The Police State advances!

Auckland field crime manager Detective Inspector Stu Allsopp-Smith said the company’s directors and employees were granted bail on the condition that staff maintain records of all customers purchasing equipment at its stores

They must check every customer’s photo identification and record their full name, date of birth, address, contact phone number, and ID serial number.

They must also record descriptions of all purchased items, along with serial numbers or other unique identifications.

Each transaction record should be dated and signed by the employee, and must be made available to police for inspection, Mr Allsopp-Smith said.

“These businesses can continue to operate, but people purchasing legitimately from them will need to produce identification – the obvious inference being that we don’t want to in any way frustrate a business from behaving and operating lawfully,” he told NZPA.

The Bail Act provides that:

…a defendant who is charged with an offence and is not bailable as of right must be released by a court on reasonable terms and conditions unless the court is satisfied that there is just cause for continued detention.

Hard to see how maintaining a register of all your customers and making the register available to the Police is a “reasonable” condition, or that it is compliant with the Privacy Act.
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April 29, 2010 9:18am
MikeNZ

Good point Toad.
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April 29, 2010 9:20am
Dave Mann

I just got this email from Muriel Newman regarding the deadline for submissions on the Foreshore and Seabed review. If you are concerned about this National Maori Party bullshit, then PLEASE visit the petition site listed and sign the petition. Cheers.

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Hi there,

Just a quick reminder that the New Zealand Centre for Political Research’s on-line petition to the Prime Minister and the Attorney General to ask for a 2-month extension of the deadline for submissions to the foreshore and seabed review closes tomorrow. The whole review process, which only gives people 20 working days to properly understand the radical new changes to the foreshore and seabed that the government is proposing, as well as prepare a meaningful submission, is far too rushed.

Please consider signing the petition (and letting your friends know about it) as the more support it receives, the more notice will be taken of our request.

You can sign the petition (and see the support it has already received from all around New Zealand) by clicking here:

http://www.nzcpr.com/petition_fandsb.php

Thanks for considering this request.

Kindest regards,

Muriel

Dr Muriel Newman

New Zealand Centre for Political Research

http://www.nzcpr.com
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ENDS
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April 29, 2010 9:22am
Whoops

Obviously the police have a sense of humor as well;

“the obvious inference being that we don’t want to in any way frustrate a business from behaving and operating lawfully”

By humor, of course I mean twisted, cynical sarcasm.
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April 29, 2010 9:29am
LeftRightOut

Toad, you’re right, but that won’t stop the governementand the police from continually eroding human rights.

interesting to see A haul of cannabis with the potential to generate a multimillion-dollar return went up in smoke at an undisclosed Dunedin location yesterday, after an undercover police bust on Tuesday.
More than 1200 cannabis plants estimated to be able to produce, over a year, cannabis with a street value of more than $2 million, were destroyed yesterday as part of the nationwide Operation Lime undercover operation.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/103757/huge-cannabis-haul-smoke

So, when this gets to court, where’s the evidence?
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April 29, 2010 9:37am
toad

Indeed, LRO – unless people fight back. I hope someone from SOG appeals those bail conditions. I don’t want a knock on the door at 5am by Police wanting to inspect my tomato plants.
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April 29, 2010 9:49am
wreck1080

Telecom are going to rebrand XT.

But, they have not even told customers if the network has been fixed.

I’d suggest, their priority is to tell customers what went wrong, and that it has been fixed.

Before they even think about rebranding.
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April 29, 2010 9:50am
camrun

Seems reasonable to me when the only way your business stays afloat is because you knowingly sell products that are going to be used to commit a crime.

Come on, you had to know this was going to happen eventually. SOG were openly taking the piss with those adverts. Now it’s the cops turn to take the piss by letting them sell to people who want to grow actual carrots in their wardrobe.

It’s quite funny when you think about it.
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April 29, 2010 9:56am
Murray

I agree with Toad.

The apocalypse may now proceed.

The police in New Zealand already have too much power and abuse what they have. that they are continuing to get more is exceedingly unsettling. Remember though that our MP’s have expempted themselves from surveillance. Meanwhile the police are making judical decisions outside their brief. hmmm.
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April 29, 2010 10:10am
Murray

Camrun cars are used in the commision of crimes on a daily basis. Lets round up car salemen shall we?
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April 29, 2010 10:11am
LeftRightOut

murray whilst I agree with you on the general thrust of your argument, I wonder why you don’t seem to be marching against the Search and ~~Destroy~~ Surveillance Bill? This is an unprecedented expansion of the surveillance state without a whimper from the right.
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April 29, 2010 10:14am
krazykiwi

Unfortunately Nick, nothing but a repeal of the whole ETS will satisfy us

@mawm – Not likely. Smith says Delaying ETS would cause instability, while the Reserve Bank says implementing the ETS will cause inflation.

Who to trust – Smith or Bollard?

Smith really is quite pathetic. He can see windfall profits for the state-owned electricity businesses, plus and additional GST grab.

Start with an ETS tax, launder it though the public conscience as it’s hits their energy and living costs, and have it pop up on the crown accounts as dividends (not as tax), plus enjoy increased GST take driven by higher ETS-driven product and service prices.

Smith’s dishonest pig-headedness will cost Kiwi families $1000’s every year by pushing up the price of all fuel, foods and interest rates.

Party vote ACT !
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April 29, 2010 10:15am
toad

Just picked up from the NZ Herald that Michael Quinlan, Director of SOG, plans to appeal his bail conditions. Good on him.
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April 29, 2010 10:15am
camrun

Toad if you can prove the car salesman knew it was going to used in a crime I don’t see why not.

I’ve never bought a car but I assume you have to give over some sort of personal information?

And can’t the police find out who owns a particular car if it is used in a crime?

Please excuse my ignorance, I honestly have no idea.
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April 29, 2010 10:23am
Murray

Left because I don’t march, i work a 70 hour week and I don’t live in Wellington, home of the professional protestor. You are assuming that my failure to comment is support for something. It is not.

Also its is quite possible that I might know a bit more about the topic being clsoely related to a former director of Defence Communications and Electronic Warfare. Which is why I find all Waihopai protestors hysterical. They don’t have the slightest cluse what that site does and they’re actually protesting at the wrong place.

If you want my position on the Search and Surveillance Bill I am against it. I direct you my comment that the police already have more power than they need and are abusing what they already have.

The last time I took part in a protest other than being there in a professional capacity was the foreshore hikoi. I was in the mob while DPF was on the steps of Parliament waving to the great unwashed.
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April 29, 2010 10:27am
Bevan

Hard to see how maintaining a register of all your customers and making the register available to the Police is a “reasonable” condition, or that it is compliant with the Privacy Act.

I take it you are against doing the same in relation to the sale of Firearms then?
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April 29, 2010 10:34am
Murray

Next time someone gets taken out by a 7.62 dak leaf I might agree with you on that one Bevan.
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April 29, 2010 10:39am
kaya

Krazykiwi –

The state is incapable of taking the correct actions needed to improve our economic outlook. Namely slash it’s own size drastically and slash the amount of stupid regulation businesses have to operate in. Stifling over-regulation hinders ambition, motivation and therefore potential growth.
Most people would have assumed that these were traits solely owned by the left, it now appears to be par for the course no matter which party has control. They are all bereft of ideas that will create a positive economic environment. Instead they come up with more and more clever ways to squeeze more dollars out of the pockets of citizens. The camel’s back is starting to look a little overloaded.
The ETS is the most insane tax the world has seen since the Poms introduced wig taxes and window taxes about 300 years ago.

As a small business operator it is frustrating as I pass added costs on to the end user, I refuse to wear the extra costs. My business reduces as a result and therefore I reduce my own spending as my income comes down. None of this helps the country or the economy.
I have reduced my hours and income progressively over the last 5 years. In conjunction I have reduced my outgoings drastically to the point where I don’t own a credit card and have nothing on HP. I save for whatever I need. If I can’t afford it I don’t buy it.
I earn barely enough to cover my outgoings but I point blank refuse to bust a gut helping to fund the waste which the Government seem incapable of stopping. I also point out I claim no benefit even though I would be likely entitled to something. I want as little to do with these fools as possible.

The truth is I should thank the Government. My stress levels have dropped dramatically, my work hours have reduced by 50%. I have more quality time to spend with my family and I do jobs around the house that I would normally pay someone else to do! I grow veges and catch fish. I go for walks and as a result I have lost weight and am the fittest I have been in 20 years. Thanks Mr Key!!
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April 29, 2010 10:47am
LeftRightOut

Meanwhile we have the spectacle of Chris carter joing Nick Smith and Rodney Hide in undermining democracy,

Carter is reported in today’s The Press telling other councils they must ignore the wishes of their electorate and do as the government says or they too will be sacked.

In some good news, Nick Smiths bro has admitted to 21 charges brought by ECAN, an example of the good they were doing. Little Smith faces a further raft of charges brought by CCC. Look out, you migght be next to be sacked if you don’t leave the bro alone.
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April 29, 2010 10:51am
Murray

Yeah I’m not sure anyone from the left end of the political spectrum should be squealing about the undermining of democracy in this country actually Left. Take a quick squiz at what Clark used the SIS for as a starting point then work your way though to the missuse of taxpayer money to buy an election before you start slinging the poopy round the monkey cage.
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April 29, 2010 10:56am
krazykiwi

kaya – Good for you! Quality family time is priceless, as is good health and a sense of personal calm.

In terms of the state slashing its scope and scale – I have a theory.. in the form of a quiz.

Question: ‘Why did the bloke fall off his ladder’? Is it because ..
(a) The ladder manufacturer failed to provide adequate training materials in violation of NZS802912
(b) ACC failed promote safe ladder-climbing practices
(c) The ladder was being used contrary to NZS8282389238-1 part b-17
(d) All or any of (a) thru (c)
(e) The bloke wasn’t careful enough

The state will be able to shrink and our economy will be able to take off when NZers, and particularly those in leadership positions, answer (e).
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April 29, 2010 11:01am
Bevan

Next time someone gets taken out by a 7.62 dak leaf I might agree with you on that one Bevan.

Are all firearms purchased with the purpose of ‘taking someone out’? Are there no other reasons? When was the last time a legally acquired firearm was used to commit a crime?
Why is it that it is OK to collect information on firearms purchasers, that are arguably dangerous (and I agree with the restrictions). Yet some think that hydroponic (sp?) equipment – that is being used by the drug growing gangs – should not attract the same attention… I would argue that in the vast majority of cases the firearm purchaser is not buying the weapon for the purpose of carrying out a crime – yet I doubt Toad would object to that practise, whereas the majority of the clientel of the Switched on Gardner are growing marijuana.
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April 29, 2010 11:30am
toad

@LRO 10:51 am

You mean David Carter, LRO:

“We had to act here in Canterbury because the situation was untenable if we are going to seriously make progress in delivering this irrigation,” he said.

“I would have thought what happened recently with Environment Canterbury would be a signal to all regional councils to work a bit more constructively with their farmer stakeholders.”
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April 29, 2010 11:31am
LeftRightOut

I stand corrected. Too bloody many carters in the hosue, if you ask me.
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April 29, 2010 12:15pm
Viking2

Toad, you’re right, but that won’t stop the government and the police from continually eroding human rights.

interesting to see A haul of cannabis with the potential to generate a multimillion-dollar return went up in smoke at an undisclosed Dunedin location yesterday, after an undercover police bust on Tuesday.
More than 1200 cannabis plants estimated to be able to produce, over a year, cannabis with a street value of more than $2 million, were destroyed yesterday as part of the nationwide Operation Lime undercover operation.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/103757/huge-cannabis-haul-smoke

So, when this gets to court, where’s the evidence?

So the Police Manual in Dunedin recommends instant incineration of all evidence.
HMMM seems we have seen that before a few years back. A certain house of notoriety and its evidence were committed to the fire leaving a lack of evidence to be properly cataloged ready for trial.
Time The South Island gentry in charge had their rule book changed along with their boss and his deputy.
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April 29, 2010 12:27pm
Ryan Sproull

I like how we’re concerned about the economy, while paying taxes to fund the police destroying the cannabis industry.
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April 29, 2010 12:36pm
redeye

Presumably the IRD have been collecting GST on all of the goods sold by The Switched on Gardner. Are the IRD then receiving proceeds of crime one wonders.
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April 29, 2010 1:20pm
LeftRightOut

Will someone please lend me the airfare to Russia. I wish to start a new career as a critic of the Russian government and believe that this role is so important, I would undergo any punishment, even this.
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April 29, 2010 1:51pm
Julian

Kaya,
Good business decision.
The 10% who pay the taxs are pissed off, but they forget, to be in a business you need to plan and we are planning our way out of their tax system. for once we might get some back. Fishing for blue cod is more fun.
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April 29, 2010 2:20pm
big bruv

Flooding seems almost certain for Queenstown, retailers are being told to shut down, cut off power and prepare for the worst.

But….what about the tourists?, they will come here and think that the place is closed all the time, this is disastrous for our image overseas, what about the poor workers who want to work, etc, etc…

I expect to see all the 365 day shopping fans up in arms about these draconian measures being taken by these retailers.
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April 29, 2010 3:06pm
Murray

I thought it was “symbolic”. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10641622

Apparently not so much if its being used in court before the inks dry from the secret signing cermony. Slick work there John Quixote.
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April 29, 2010 3:19pm
RRM

[big bruv]:
“I expect to see all the 365 day shopping fans up in arms about these draconian measures being taken by these retailers.”

I’m not surprised you expect this from the imaginary enemies in your head.
You really are a complete fucking dick.
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April 29, 2010 3:25pm
KiwiGreg

“Presumably the IRD have been collecting GST on all of the goods sold by The Switched on Gardner. Are the IRD then receiving proceeds of crime one wonders.”

Proceeds of crime conducted as a business have always been subject to both income tax and GST.
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April 29, 2010 3:27pm
Murray

“You really are a complete fucking dick.”

Another compelling argument from a resident nazi wannabe.
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April 29, 2010 3:31pm
redeye

Kiwigreg. No shit? You must be an accountant with such a sharp sense of humour.

And Bruv is only a pretend righty. He believes in government interference into your backyards if it aids his distorted view of the world. Oh and he’s a ginga.
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April 29, 2010 4:23pm
Manolo

“The ETS is the most insane tax the world has seen since..”

An insane idea, indeed, introduced by the crazy incompetent Nick Smith in deadly alliance with spineless Neville Key. Those two will the people to blame for the impact of this new tax on many households and small / medium size businesses.
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April 29, 2010 4:26pm
KiwiGreg

@ redeye why yes I did train as an accountant, but I was going for informative with that post not humour so obviously missed the mark
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April 29, 2010 4:29pm
Viking2

SAY the word “sneaky”. Now try drawing it out, like this: sneak-key.

There, you’ve got it.

Sneak-key is a freshly coined term for a prime minister who secretly dispatches the Minister of Maori Affairs to New York so that he can commit New Zealand to a declaration that the previous government refused to sign and that New Zealanders have never been given an opportunity to debate.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2010/04/politics-at-its-most-cynical.html
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April 29, 2010 7:35pm
kaya

Farrar, you have some idea what Great Barrier Island is all about. How about pushing the line for it instead of being just another off island yuppie who wants to keep it for your own personal piece of paradise?

http://www.greatbarrieris.co.nz/

This place REALLY IS special. It deserves to be kept pristine. Thank you.
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April 29, 2010 7:47pm
Viking2

Packs of fags up $2.16 from midnight tonight in Australia.

http://player.video.news.com.au/couriermail/#1480479974

Moves to ban cigarette packet branding in Australia

* SANDRA O’MALLEY, CANBERRA
* From: The Advertiser
* April 28, 2010 9:49PM
* 190 comments

THE Federal Government aims to make smoking less alluring to young people by introducing compulsory plain packaging for cigarettes.

The Rudd Cabinet this morning approved a 25 per cent increase in excise charged on tobacco products, effective from midnight. It will increase the average pack of 35 cigarettes by $2 to $3.

The increase – revealed exclusively in The Advertiser two weeks ago – was recommended by the National Preventative Health Task Force, which believes a price hike will reduce the number of smokers in Australia by one million within a decade.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd also announced plans to bring in new laws making plain packaging compulsory for cigarettes and other tobacco products by January 1, 2012.

“This is a tough decision for the government,” Mr Rudd said.

“It won’t win the government any popularity.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/moves-to-ban-cigarette-packet-branding-in-australia/story-e6frea8c-1225859637610
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April 29, 2010 8:22pm
Viking2

So Rudd has been talking to the Maori.
I hope Bill has been talking to Swan for this makes appealing reading. If only in NZ?

Kevin Rudd aims to lower tax for ‘majority of Australians’

Kevin Rudd says the Government wants to reduce the level of tax faced by the vast majority of Australians / File Source: Herald Sun

* Government wants to lower taxes for “majority”
* Make system fairer, says PM
* Henry review of taxes due Sunday

THE Federal Government aims to cut the amount of tax faced by the vast majority of Australians, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says.

In a key speech delivered three days before release of the long-awaited Henry tax review, Mr Rudd hinted he was also aiming to help small businesses and working families.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/money/kevin-rudd-aims-to-lower-tax-for-majority-of-australians/story-e6freqpf-1225859890943
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April 29, 2010 8:24pm
big bruv

Chill out Kaya, a little bit of surgical mining will not hurt the place.

Bring in the diggers I say.
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April 29, 2010 8:34pm
mattyroo

Kaya, Surely you’re smart enough to realise that GBI is the smokescreen in the gummint’s plan???

There is no intention to mine there – nevermind I think they should. It is just designed to make John Banks and Nikki Kaye look good when it is announced, with a great deal of hoopla, that their persuasion has forced the gummint to rethink mining on GBI.

But as bruv says, start the diggers.

I’m sick to death of my money being stolen to pay for all the other puss and shite that carries on in this country. Mining is at least one way to reduce the burden on me.
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April 29, 2010 8:58pm
kaya

mattyroo and big bruv – instead of throwing our diminishing assets down a big hole wouldn’t it be a good idea to fix the problem of overspending first? Apart from that, why is NZ so keen to throw raw material out the door for every other fucker to make a huge profit on? Are we so dumb we can’t do it ourselves? Wowee! 5% max royalty sure sounds purtee!!!
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April 29, 2010 9:05pm
Hurf Durf

What is it with crazy women and writing hysterical letters to the Huruld? Yes, I’m talking about you, Valerie Morse from Wellington.
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April 29, 2010 9:06pm
kaya

Mattyroo – GBI may be a smokescreen, maybe I’m just sick to death of the fucking lies and deceit we have to read through to try and get near the truth these days. It’s a tragic piece of shit we live in.
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April 29, 2010 9:07pm
mattyroo

Kaya you dipshit!!! It is not about the 5% royalty!!!!! How many times do you socialists need this explaining to you?

It is about the job creation and the money spent locally. More than 60% of the mines revenue will be spent locally, on employment and services, whilst some of this money will go offshore, through various foreign owned local entities, most will stay in the heart of the community where the mine is.

This has the effect of lessening gummint spending, by creating jobs and NEW capital in the community. Capital, that is earnt from overseas, what this country deperately needs!

I do agree with you that gummint spending has to be slashed, and there is only one way we can assist in doing that – PARTY VOTE ACT.
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April 29, 2010 9:12pm
big bruv

It does make you laugh, the left always toss the line back at the Nat’s about catching up with Australia yet in the same breath they oppose every single policy that would help us move closer to Aussie on an income basis.

Kaya and mattyroo are right, the smoke screens are fucking annoying, but that shows the level of disrespect the bastards in Parliament have for us, to them we are here to provide the nations biggest ATM machine that they can slip their MP’s card into as often as they like and for the causes that they like, our opinions or desires are irrelevant to them.

And, in eighteen months time the bastards will be back knocking on your door and lying through their teeth at you.

Party vote dog turd!
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April 29, 2010 9:26pm
kaya

mattyroo you fuckwit!! I am self employed and not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination!!!

Fuck the job creation! Coffee servers and taxi drivers, whoopee!!!

mattyroo you are a spinner like all the other spinners that have proposed commercial enterprises on the island! Logging, whaling and mining over a hundred and fifty year period and not a piece of shit to show for it!! Nothing but take, take, take! You are a dreamer if you believe most of the money will finish up locally! Unless the people proposing the mining are socialists of course……nice.

So what happens after the mine has gone mattyroo? What do the people who actually live here do then for a living or is that someone elses problem? Who gives a fuck, as long as we rape it in my lifetime eh?

What part of me not wanting to throw our assets down a large hole called government waste (welfare, bureaucracy) don’t you understand?
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April 29, 2010 9:31pm
mattyroo

Kaya, Being self employed doesn’t mean you’re not a socialist, I know plenty of self employed socialists. I’m self employed too, and probably a lot further right than most people I know.

You state: “Apart from that, why is NZ so keen to throw raw material out the door for every other fucker to make a huge profit on? Are we so dumb we can’t do it ourselves? Wowee! 5% max royalty sure sounds purtee!!!”

That paragraph is not socialist, it is communist.

Have you actually ever been to a mine Kaya? I have, many, many times, and I have seen the tangible benefits for the local communities (where there is a community). Be it mining, oil, gas, what have you, when projects like this come along, the economic benefits to the community are large. Yes, there may be issues when the mine winds up with local employment, but if we manage mining properly, then there will be other opportunities for the employees elsewhere.

If the local community has issues with what they are going to do post mining, then perhaps whatever they were doing whilst the mining was there was only limited life-cycle. Surely they would be aware of that before they embarked on their venture? Or are they all socialists and expect the gummint to dig them out of a hole when their market is no longer existant?

In an earlier post today you were complaining about how tough you were doing it…. Surely, if there was an industry such as mining on GBI, there would be more opportunities for you? And if you don’t like the idea of it, and don’t want to take that “dirty” money, then don’t, but stop the whinging.
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April 29, 2010 9:47pm
philu

isn’t it interesting how mattyro displays the intellectual depth/width..not to mention thought-processes..of yr average act-cult/rand-ite supporter..?

..all 1.6% of them..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 29, 2010 9:49pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Phillip, going protesting on Saturday? Make sure you don’t get lost in a hashish cloud and end up on the Symonds Street off-ramp or anything like that.
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April 29, 2010 9:51pm
philu

what could there be to protest about..?

‘honest-john’ key..and the party that told no lies..pre-election..rule over us..

aren’t ‘happy days’ here again..?..righties..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 29, 2010 10:01pm
mattyroo

Fuck off philu you fucking parsitic leach on society.

At least I can hold my head high as a productive member of our society – paying my taxes so a horrible cu*t like you can have food on your table.

Leading a life of bludging and pot smoking, all the while raising a kid. God help us if this is representative of our future generations – dragged up by a drug addled, armed robbing parasite. CYFS should take your kid off you.
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April 29, 2010 10:04pm
philu

there you go..mattyro..q.e.d on the 9.49 pm….eh..?

‘touchy’..too..eh..?

they are particularly sensitive about having the paucity of (both their political and intellectual) support pointed out to them…eh..?

..and of course..their propensity to drag their knuckles along the ground..as they walk..

..not to mention their constant incipient drooling..

..by these marks do we know them..

..all 1.6% of them..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 29, 2010 10:11pm
kaya

mattyroo – re read my earlier post, there wasn’t a hint of whinge in it. I am “doing it” a long way from tough and am enjoying actually living a worthwhile lifestyle. What I was trying to say was there is no incentive to grow a small business because the last Govt and this Govt take too much from you. Neither has created a business environment conducive to growth. Therefore I can’t be fucked trying. In the meantime I have started really enjoying my life again. (75 at golf today and smoked fish at half time, must have been stressed).

I am not a socialist, I support the principle but also realise that humans are inherently lazy fuckers and will take the piss out of the rest if us. Nor am I a capitalist, I support the principle but I also realise that humans are greedy bastards and will take the piss out of the rest of us.

I believe in self determination and freedom from Govt interference as much as is humanly possible. I believe in reward for effort. I believe in sustainability because that is scientifically the only possible way humanity can survive long term.

As for the local community on GBI, the majority (by 10 to 1) are more than happy to carry on the way they have been for the last 150 years. The average income on the island is around 15 – 20k but nobody gives a fuck because they aren’t all obsessed with increasing the size of their plasma screen TV or getting a new V8. We have no reticulated power or water, we live relatively sustainably. This is a sustainable community, we don’t have any “issues”. It is the morons doing the overspending and looking for easy options who have the “issues”.
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April 29, 2010 10:17pm
kaya

Anyway, night night mattyroo, time for bed. I’m off to bed for a whinge about my issues. Surfing or fishing tomorrow? …….fucking decisions.
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April 29, 2010 10:35pm
cha

Tom/kaya, ya left out the bit about minimising your child support payments . And the bit about the ‘cashies’. And the bit about ACC payments. BTW, how’s the new baby, ya gonna bail on her too?.

[DPF: Enough of that. 30 demerits. Leave kids out of debates]
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April 30, 2010 7:44am
kaya

cha – instead of being an anonymous low life piece of shit making low life lying scum allegations, why not front up and contact me directly if you have anything to say? You have seen my blog, you know how to contact me. Crawl out from under your rock cha you gross piece of shit.
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April 30, 2010 8:21am
cha

Say it aint true Tom, that is all.
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April 30, 2010 8:46am
kaya

It ain’t true cha, now crawl out.
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April 30, 2010 8:49am
cha

None of it?.
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April 30, 2010 8:52am
cha

@ Tom/ kaya, an apology is due so,

I apologise and withdraw my comments.

Charles.
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