General Debate 23 April 2010

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tester

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/3609849/The-Downfall-of-Hitlers-YouTube-parody

The removal of these parodies would be very sad. The irony of the production company’s decision to force their removal is that the parody clips actually got me interested in watching (and ultimately buying) this movie. I am sure I am not alone in this regard.
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April 23, 2010 8:14am
tester

Did anyone else see the shameful reporting by TV3 last night about the leaked Law Commission report? The teaser for the news item was that they would be reporting on “leaked government plans to push through massive increases in the excise on alcohol” (or words to that effect). But when you tuned in to the news item, the story was a far more vapid affair – the Law Commission (who everyone knows is a big wowser organisation after their draft report was published) is suggesting said increase in excise. Since when did a lobby group’s recommendation count as Government policy, TV3?
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April 23, 2010 8:19am
Put it away

Did anyone see any of those white poppy scumbags yesterday? Didn’t notice any around Lambton quay.
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April 23, 2010 8:22am
TimG_Oz

tester – My favourite Downfall parody was the one of Helen Clark after losing the election …. and now it’s gone!

I really felt I was looking at real life, except she had a slightly bigger moustache in the film clip
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April 23, 2010 8:24am
Julian

Ethnic groups projected to grow
NBR | Thursday April 22, 2010 – 10:57am
Updated projections indicate continued growth of New Zealand’s broad and overlapping European, Māori, Asian, and Pacific populations, Statistics New Zealand said today.
Under the updated 2006-base national ethnic population projections:
– The ‘European or Other (including New Zealander)’ population is projected to increase by an average of 0.4 percent a year from 3.21 million in
2006 to 3.47 million in 2026.
– The Māori population by 1.3 percent a year from 620,000 to 810,000;
– The Asian population by 3.4 percent a year from 400,000 to 790,000; and
– The Pacific population by 2.4 percent a year from 300,000 to 480,000.
“The different growth rates mainly reflect different age structures, different fertility levels, and different migration patterns,” Population Statistics manager Denise McGregor said.
The growth of the Māori and Pacific populations is driven by births, which can be attributed to their higher fertility rates and a younger age structure.
By comparison, the slower growth of the European population largely reflects lower fertility rates and an older age structure.
The relatively rapid growth of the Asian population is mainly driven by migration, with net migration contributing about 250,000 people over the 20-year projection period. Births will account for about 180,000 of the projected Asian population growth.

Come on Europeans start having early nights.
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April 23, 2010 8:36am
Murray

Apparently we were toying with the idea of abolosihing the monarchy.

I knew that Britain was bending over and taking it from the EU but I didn’t know they taking crap from us as well. Must suck to be a Brit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/7617210/New-Zealand-rejects-bid-to-ditch-the-Queen.html
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April 23, 2010 8:44am
Matt Long

I have just been calculating my employee’s new PAYE rates, rather than the small decrease in tax I was expecting his tax has in fact increased from $201.54 to $204.44 per week.
Obviously he is not delighted and his comment is that John Key has to go.
Has anyone else’s tax gone up, and WTF is National trying to achieve; another red Government in 5 years?

[DPF: Tax rates have not changed but ACC levies went from $1.70 to $2.00 per $100. This was because Labour left behind huge unfunded liabilities and had extended the scheme without funding it. If National had not made changes the increase may have had to be to $3.50 or more per $100]
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April 23, 2010 8:46am
krazykiwi

Dear Mr Key,

Although you campaigned on being environmentally responsible regards a carbon emissions scheme in light of the recent changes in the scientific and political spectrums regarding Anthropogenic Global Warming theories, I implore you to put our ETS on hold and not to implement the 1st July stage of the Scheme until the situation is clearer.

1. Science continues to debunk some of the basic tenets of the AGW scare (e.g. polar ice caps are not melting unusually, sea level rise is not accelerating, global temperatures are not increasing lately) and to strengthen views that global temperature fluctuations are hardly affected at all by made-made emissions.

2. Our major trading partners have put their ETS on hold.

3. France has put it on hold.

4. Holland has rejected the IPCC as ‘irrelevant’

5. India has set up it’s own climate research centre rather than rely on the shonky UN panel.

6. Our faltering economy cannot sustain the impact of an ETS.

7. The costs are more and more unaffordable (especially regards our global competitiveness) and the benefits more and more uncertain.

When facts change, intelligent leaders change their approach. Sir, the facts have changed since your election campaign 2 years ago.

Please put the ETS on hold, as other responsible governments have done for the time being. There is too much uncertainty and too much at stake.

Yours sincerely,
krazykiwi
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April 23, 2010 8:47am
Pete George

I saw that on TV3 tester, but it’s quite normal for them. They were stating the proposals as if they were going to happen, they do usually slip in a bit of explanatory fine print in their items but it’s easy to turn off and miss that.
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April 23, 2010 8:49am
Pete George

Matt, it is not PAYE that has gone up, it is the ACC Earner Premium that increased from 1.7% to 2.0%. Many payrolls combine both as one total (often employees request it as one total as split amounts confuse them) but they are calculated separately, and the ACC rise was widely reported.
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April 23, 2010 8:52am
MikeNZ

Krazi Kiwi

1,6,7
say it all.
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April 23, 2010 8:55am
Murray

Krazy its not about the environment, its about revenue.

Besides hes got your vote and now he just dictates the way Helen conditioned us to take it.
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April 23, 2010 8:58am
MikeNZ

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/breakingnews/un-diplomats-say-china-has-proposed-changes-to-us-drafted-resolution-for-new-iran-sanctions-91767599.html

Maybe it is time to get rid of the 5 permanent seats on the UN security clowncel
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April 23, 2010 8:59am
Manolo

Good letter KK. I shall copy and send it to Neville Key as well. Thank you.
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April 23, 2010 9:00am
big bruv

I watched a bit of the UK leaders debate this morning, the questions were posed by the selected audience, I imagine that the questions would have been vetted by the host broadcaster very carefully as there are obviously time limits.

One would have thought that these questions would be the ones that the public really wanted answers to, indeed, the first two were very good, one was on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the other on Europe, indeed, IMHO the leader all gave very good answers.

Then the moderator turned to the next member of the audience, the camera focused in on what I can only assume was a female closely related to Stephanie Mills, her question was this “can the leaders tell us what moves they have made during the campaign to lessen their emissions while they travel around the country”…(I cannot remember the exact wording but that was the gist of the question)

At that stage I turned the TV off and headed off to get ready for work….how the fuck can anybody seriously think that sort of stupid question deserves to be put to the leaders when the UK has far more pressing concerns.
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April 23, 2010 9:01am
Pete George

Good stuff bruv, by turning off the TV you would have reduced your own carbon footprint. Keep up the good work.
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April 23, 2010 9:03am
big bruv

Pete

One thing did shine through during the brief time I watched the debate, Nick Clegg is more dangerous for the future of the UK than Gordon Brown, Clegg mentioned climate change at least three times during the first two questions, he is also clearly anti USA.
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April 23, 2010 9:07am
Pete George

Nick Clegg has never experienced the realities of being in power. If he were to become Prime Minister all it would take is one trip to Washington (or especially to Camp David) and he would be converted to the realism of power. Look how Blair got totally absorbed into the Bush world.
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April 23, 2010 9:22am
krazykiwi

Manolo / MikeNZ – I’m not the author. Just passing it along as I completely agree with the sentiments expressed.
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April 23, 2010 9:25am
david

Got to thinking about the UN DRIP resolution yestrday and it would appear that Oswald Bastable also twigged onto the same line of thought (http://oswaldbastable.blogspot.com/2010/04/be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html)

Could Key be so Machiavellian that the next step is to challenge the definition of “Indigenous” through all the Courts in the land and declare that there are NO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE in NZ and therefore no-one to give any rigts or privileges to? or alternatively declare that all inhabitants of these fair isles are actually indigenous by virtue of that inhabitation and therefore all deserving of equal treatment?

One would like to think so.
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April 23, 2010 9:30am
Murray

Then we can have out settlement money back david?
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April 23, 2010 9:51am
dime

The X-37B is launching soon! cool!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1268138/X-37B-unmanned-space-shuttle-launched-tonight.html

Ya just know theres some evil shit on board.
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April 23, 2010 9:54am
wreck1080

i don’t know how anyone could vote for labour over there.

The state of the UK is appalling, they are financially destitute, and the political correctness has gone mad.

Even when I was there, the councils had fulltime staff dedicated to training immigrants on how to use the modern appliances in their taxpayer funded council homes.
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April 23, 2010 9:56am
Pete George

That Labour is still in power and still has a reasonable chance of winning again doesn’t say much for the quality of the opposition.
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April 23, 2010 10:01am
Pete George

Polls on the latest debate:

Instant polls gave mixed verdicts, with
Clegg on 33 points, and Cameron and Brown both on 30 – ComRes for ITV
Cameron on 36, Clegg on 32 and Brown on 29 – YouGov
Clegg on 52, Brown 31 and Cameron 17 – Channel Four,
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April 23, 2010 10:04am
Inventory2

Can’t help but wonder – how much of the rort at the Melbourne Storm is as a result of player agents getting involved in dodgy deals to ensure that theor own percentage cut was optimised. The Warriors had some “interesting” experiences with agents when they had their own salary cap issues a few seasons ago.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/04/jerry-maguire-syndrome.html
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April 23, 2010 10:27am
side show bob

Dime, it delivers pizza and beer to the ISS and for a few extra dollars room can be found for a hooker.
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April 23, 2010 10:28am
side show bob

I see the IPCC has fucked up again. They claimed that large areas of Bangladesh would be under water by now. It seems they were full of it. In fact Bangladesh is growing as the the amount of sediment been deposited in the delta is far greater then any perceived sea rise. Dr Smith where art tho, time for more words wisdom, oops, sorry, bullshit.
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April 23, 2010 10:37am
Pete George

Bob Hagan, the man at the helm of the Canterbury Bulldogs during their salary cap breach eight years ago:
“The players would have no idea what’s been going on around them. ”

I find that very hard to believe. At the very least the players must know roughly how their pay compares to others, and that things didn’t add up. I’d be very surprised if they didn’t have a good idea that they were benefiting from a rort. Their agents must have been a party to the scam, so the players should also have known.
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April 23, 2010 10:43am
krazykiwi

SSB – You’ve just beaten me to that comment. The story is here. The IPCC are an injustice to the term ‘discredited’ !
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April 23, 2010 10:44am
Fletch

I too, dug the Hitler parodies. The latest one was about the iPhone. Apparently an Apple technician went to a bar close to Apple’s factory and left the prototype iPhone 4.0 there. A guy found it and Gizmodo acquired it. Apple wiped it remotely via MobileMe but you can still see that it looks a bit like an iPad mini.

Anyway, the latest Hitler video was Steve Jobs as Hitler complaining about it’s loss.
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April 23, 2010 11:10am
Inventory2

Quite so Pete – and surely a player would question why he was receiving two payments each week/month or whatever. I am sure that the spotlight will very soon by shone on Jim Banaghan and the other Agents to the NRL Stars. I wonder how many other NRL CEO’s are feeling discomforted this morning…
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April 23, 2010 11:23am
Fletch

Bloody kids….. 😐

Young children have repaid a Gisborne couple’s kindness by trashing their home.

Ross and Robyne McKeague were well known in suburban Kaiti for allowing local children use their swimming pool under supervision after school.

The couple used to run a Child, Youth and Family home (CYF), and were also foster parents.

“We love kids,” Mr McKeague told the Gisborne Herald.

However when the McKeagues went away for a weekend this month, eight-, nine- and 12-year-olds took the opportunity to trash their home, The Gisborne Herald reported.

The children tagged the newly-painted house in bright orange, white and black.

They then broke in and used Mr McKeague’s golf clubs to smash jars, bottles, terracotta pots and ornaments in a violent binge of destruction.

The broken remains were left lying at the bottom of the pool.

They even had time for a snack, with the remains of gherkins on crackers found half-eaten near the pool.

They then went next door to a community childcare centre and lit a fire which melted plastic playhouses and toys and threatened the building, prompting a call to the fire brigade.

One of the boys was burned on his arms and lost hair.

Mr McKeague said he was disappointed but not angry at the children.

“Kids are kids. People are not. You can’t blame an eight-year-old. Where do they get that from?” he said.

Mr McKeague said the parents of the children needed to be more responsible.

Police caught three young children but they are too young to be criminally liable and CYF has been informed.

No discipline these days for kids at home or school.

Story
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April 23, 2010 11:30am
dime

heard a soundbite on ZB this morning. someone is proposing no GST on fruit n veg (ffs).

then some celebrating leftist came on “finally! we are discussing financial incentives/penalties to get people eating healthy”

fuck i hate the left. its always tax what they dont like.
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April 23, 2010 11:46am
eszett

# krazykiwi (4864) Says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am

SSB – You’ve just beaten me to that comment. The story is here. The IPCC are an injustice to the term ‘discredited’ !

How so?

The report you linked still assumes sea level rises and warming temperatures. The only thing at dispute is the effect of a one meter sea level rise on Bangladesh based on one study.
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April 23, 2010 12:13pm
Inventory2

Fletch – we had a similar scenario a while back involving a six year old and a seven year old who were caught in the act. In addition to the trashing, they killed a number of birds from an adjacent aviary.

They were children we knew; in fact, one of them told the attending copper that’s why they came around – he said “It’s alright; we know them”. They had no concept that what they were doing might be wrong, and knowing the families they are from, it hardly surprises. the big worry is that families such as these are just the tip of the icebreg.
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April 23, 2010 12:25pm
krazykiwi

The report you linked still assumes sea level rises and warming temperatures. The only thing at dispute is the effect of a one meter sea level rise on Bangladesh based on one study.

No assumptions at all, but the report does repeat IPCC statements on sea level and warming temperatures. If you still believe anything the IPCC publish then I have a bridge for sale and we should talk.

Also, there’s alarmist MSM story here – Island disappears after 30 year dispute, and an excellent rebuttal here – Bengal Island succumbs to global warming nonsense – AP gets nutty over the loss of a sandbar
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April 23, 2010 12:48pm
Pete George

Some things discredited from one document doesn’t everything should be discounted – otherwise no one would believe anything in the Bible.
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April 23, 2010 1:01pm
KiwiGreg

“Some things discredited from one document doesn’t everything should be discounted – otherwise no one would believe anything in the Bible.”

Yup and for some clearly the IPCC publications ARE the bible. We call them delusional fools.
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April 23, 2010 1:10pm
krazykiwi

Ok Pete, I admit… the bridge isn’t perfect. But it’s still for sale. Just send me $1m and we’ll get the deal away.
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April 23, 2010 1:17pm
Pete George

Yup and for some clearly the IPCC publications ARE the bible.

Who thinks that? It’s claimed by opponents for obvious reasons but anything I have seen in scientific circles know that IPCC reports are historical and very much work in progress.

Scientists know that stuff a bunch have people have collated is not set in stone.
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April 23, 2010 1:29pm
krazykiwi

Pete, is our ill-conceived ETS based on ‘science’ sourced from IPCC, or from Mills and Boon?

To dismiss IPCC reports as “historical and very much work in progress” is disingenuous and you know it. Right now lawmakers are preparing to tax your income and mine forever based these “historical and very much work in progress” IPCC reports. These reports have, alarmingly, been confirmed peppered with falsifications of data, and perversions of accepted scientific process.

A pause perhaps? Cup of tea? Breath of fresh air and some reflection before we plunge of the edge?

Not likely. John Key and Nick Smith are at the helm and plunge we shall.
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April 23, 2010 1:48pm
KiwiGreg

“Who thinks that? ”

From your posts I’m thinking you do.
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April 23, 2010 1:50pm
Pete George

You mustn’t read my posts very well then Greg, I have never thought it anything like that.

Krazy, I agree with a pause and reassesment.

The stated aim of IPCC is assessment of climate related science. The 2007 report was their fourth. They have started working on their next one and it is due to be finalised in 2014. That sounds like work in progress to me.

“People from over 130 countries contributed to the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report over the previous 6 years. These people included more than 2500 scientific expert reviewers, more than 800 contributing authors, and more than 450 lead authors.”

They got some things wrong, but no one credible has claimed they got everything wrong. A lot of research is still happening, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with next. It will still be a work in progress _ have often said that I doubt I will know if it is really going to be a major in my lifetime.
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April 23, 2010 2:04pm
Ryan Sproull

If anyone has Clint Woolly’s mobile number, could you please text him and get him to text or call me on 021 682 183 asap.
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April 23, 2010 2:32pm
side show bob

“People from over 130 countries contributed to IPCC fourth assessment of lies” And Pete how many of these 130 countries are pushing ahead with screwing the arses off their populations? It’s a con Pete and the crooks in the National party are willing participants to this con.
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April 23, 2010 2:33pm
krazykiwi

Pete, I recall you commenting that you’d never been unfaithful to your wife. I thought then, and still think that that’s a commendable achievement. As you know, trust is critical to a successful relationship. You also know that trust takes years to create yet it can be lost in an instant.

Now, given that very few of us are climate scientists, we are asked to trust the IPCC’s presentation of the science on the subject of anthropogenic global warming, and the extent to which it represents an imminent catastrophe for earths inhabitants.

Up until a couple of years ago I trusted the IPCC’s guidance. But now, with so much evidence of abuse of that trust (falsification of data, perversion of accepted scientific practice etc) I have lost all faith in all output of the IPCC. Further, I see no evidence of genuine contrition on the UN’s part; the occasional weak ‘mea culpa on this bit’ does not suffice, meaning future “work in progress” will be similarly tainted.

The world is waking up to what many are calling the greatest deceit in modern times. I’m one of them.

And, just for the record, and by way of letting you know that I’m still pissed with you over this matter, I re-re-re-re-state that no one is paying me to hold or promote these view. They are mine and mine alone. If you ask again I will reply like this; the same way I have always replied.
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April 23, 2010 2:50pm
Ryan Sproull

Never mind. Found him.
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April 23, 2010 2:57pm
Yvette

How much more set is the science on global warming [and so our ETS] than the science that defined the no-fly zones in the just past air-travel problems of Europe?
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April 23, 2010 3:12pm
krazykiwi

If someone gives me a $1m study grant to gather evidence that the Brazilian Green Tree frog is threatened with extinction I’ll do it and come up with a compelling case.

If someone gives me a another $1m study grant to gather evidence that the same frog is thriving and actually represents a threat to its ecosystem then, again, I’ll do it and come up with a compelling case.

This is exactly how the ‘science’ anthropogenic global warming is framed up. A presupposition has been adopted from roots back in the 70’s:

In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.

— Club of Rome (A UN Think Tank)

Climate science died the instant powerful men and women concluded that, by shaming and scaring citizens, they could prize open our wallets, thereby engorging themselves on wealth and power at our expense.

It’s time we woke up.
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April 23, 2010 3:21pm
Komata

Don’t forget too, that the ‘Club of Rome’ was/is the driving force behind the EU, and that they are still a hightly influential and active behind the scenes group of socialists with UN-links and, as always, One World Government as their ultimate aim. I believe Helun has links with them along with Blair, Brown et al.
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April 23, 2010 3:35pm
Pete George

So the moment you found at that Eve wasn’t actually made from Adams rib did you lose faith in the whole bible?
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April 23, 2010 3:36pm
Pete George

I don’t know much about the Club of Rome. I might drop in and see them, I’ll be staying in their HQ city (not Rome) in a couple of weeks. I’m just joking about seeing them.

And, quite coincidentally, I’ll be staying with an environmental economist, so hope to learn a bit from him about the latest on carbon trading. I’m not joking about that.
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April 23, 2010 3:42pm
krazykiwi

@Matt Long 8:46am – My wife’s takehome pay has been reduced as of 1-April. I suspect it’s as DPF suggested, higher ACC (which is just a tax)

Anyone else out there is enjoying tax ‘cuts’, John Key style?
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April 23, 2010 3:49pm
big bruv

KK

It is the extra ACC charge that has seen your wife’s pay packet reduce, the National Party cheer leaders can spin it how ever they like, the truth is that it is an extra tax and another reason to dislike the lying National government.

Remember this…”we are committed to a series of ongoing tax cuts”
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April 23, 2010 4:39pm
Repton

so much evidence of abuse of that trust (falsification of data, perversion of accepted scientific practice etc)

If you’re talking about “climategate”, then you should keep up with the latest reports.

e.g. from Wikipedia:

The Science and Technology Select Committee inquiry reported on 31 March 2010 that it had found that “the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact”. The emails and claims raised in the controversy did not challenge the scientific consensus that “global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity”. The MPs had seen no evidence to support claims that Jones had tampered with data or interfered with the peer-review process.

and:

The report of the independent Science Assessment Panel was published on 14 April 2010 and concluded that the panel had seen “no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit.” It found that the CRU’s work had been “carried out with integrity” and had used “fair and satisfactory” methods. The CRU was found to be “objective and dispassionate in their view of the data and their results, and there was no hint of tailoring results to a particular agenda.” Instead, “their sole aim was to establish as robust a record of temperatures in recent centuries as possible.”
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April 23, 2010 4:53pm
krazykiwi

Repton – I have a second bridge. We should talk.
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April 23, 2010 4:56pm
Pete George

I don’t think you are really interested in bridges Krazy, all you seem to want to see is a chasm.
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April 23, 2010 4:59pm
krazykiwi

Oh Repton, while you’re considering the veracity of Wikipedia as a source, perhaps have a look at the background of Lord Oxburgh who chaired the Scientific Assessment Panel.

Extract:

Climate sceptics questioned whether Lord Oxburgh, chairman of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association and the wind energy company Falck Renewables, was truly independent because he led organisations that depended on climate change being seen as an urgent problem.

The full article makes fascinating reading… if you have open eyes, and believe that conflicts of interest can exist. And to cap it all off, Oxburgh was chosen from Royal Society members.. and he was appointed to the Royal Society following nomination by the University of East Anglia ie his CRU mates.

So do you think he may have overseen a whitewash? Mmm?
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April 23, 2010 5:16pm
dad4justice

Can’t wait for Nutional to put up GST and beer etc… etc… and I thought Aunty Fucking Helen was bad!
Over the top smack the blue wimps. Buy a white poppy John Boy Wee?
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April 23, 2010 6:34pm
Hurf Durf

“can the leaders tell us what moves they have made during the campaign to lessen their emissions while they travel around the country”…(I cannot remember the exact wording but that was the gist of the question)

Ah fuck, I remember that. She looked like a right do-gooder. It wasn’t even a serious policy issue, just BAWWWWW R U GWEEN?!?!? from another member of the Inquisition, so I went and played some Fallout 3.
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April 23, 2010 10:05pm
WebWrat

Is anyone else having problems with their Telstra Clear dropping off-line all the time. By all the time I mean … I’ve had to reboot my Dynalink modem about 15 times in the last hour to look at about half a dozen web pages.

The problem started about three weeks ago and has steadily got worse.

I have a friend down the road having the same problem.

Any ideas?
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April 23, 2010 10:53pm
WebWrat

“If you’re talking about “climategate”, then you should keep up with the latest reports.

e.g. from Wikipedia: …….”

I don’t read Wikipedia at all now since that Warmist bullshit artist got sprung.
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April 23, 2010 11:00pm
krazykiwi

WebWrat, story of the warmist bullshit artist below:-

Wikibullies at work. The National Post exposes broad trust issues over Wikipedia climate information
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He then focuses on RealClimate.org co-founder William Connolley, who has “touched” 5,428 Wikipedia articles with his unique brand of RC centric editing:

All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.

The Medieval Warm Period disappeared, as did criticism of the global warming orthodoxy. With the release of the Climategate Emails, the disappearing trick has been exposed. The glorious Medieval Warm Period will remain in the history books, perhaps with an asterisk to describe how a band of zealots once tried to make it disappear.

I use now use Wikipedia only for basic, non-contentious factual domains of knowledge. Anything with an element of subjectivity has been tainted with socialist-liberal ideology.
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April 23, 2010 11:24pm
ben

For any folks interested in the long history leading up to Climategate, I am half way through a new book called the Hockey Stick Illusion. It is the story of Steve McIntyre and his, IMO, heroic attempts to first work out and then expose the hockey stick fraud. And it is fraud, plainly. McIntyre and his co-writer McKitrick destroyed the hockey stick single handedly. We owe McIntyre a debt of thanks for his work – that hockey stick was a defining graphic for IPCC and politicians everywhere. Who knows what policy might have been written had McIntyre not done his unpaid work.

It is a SERIOUSLY good read. Highly recommended.
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April 23, 2010 11:31pm
krazykiwi

@ben, thanks for the rec. I’m keen to read this one. I’ve watched Steve take really complex issues and unpack them in a way that most half-capable thinkers can understand. His work at ClimateAudit.org is outstanding and, like you say, we owe him a debt of thanks. It’s a shame that John Key is foolishly charging ahead with an ETS. It’s a tax and power grab, and we’re being played for fools.
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April 23, 2010 11:44pm
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krazykiwi (4881) Says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm
WebWrat, story of the warmist bullshit artist below:-

That’s the one krazykiwi.

Since reading that, I haven’t once looked at Wikipedia.
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