General Debate 22 April 2010

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mike tan

“A year into Obama’s first term in office, unemployment is higher, the national debt is higher and there are more soldiers serving in Afghanistan. When asked about it, Obama was like, “Well, technically that is change.”
– Jimmy Fallon
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April 22, 2010 7:41am
mike tan

For balance (honorable mention RB):

“Some critics are saying that Palin won’t last on Fox because she’s an over-emotional woman who gets the facts wrong. But I disagree. It’s working great for Glenn Beck, so she’ll be fine.”
– Craig Ferguson
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April 22, 2010 7:49am
Murray

Remeber these white poppy hippies are the same mob that used the “we believed we were saving people” defense, so they really can’t bitch if you stop them selling poppies that take money away from aged and vulnerable veterans and toss their poppies into the nearest harbour.

That would be Port Nicholson.

And if they are not trying to take money from the RSA why are they asking red poppy sellers to push theirs whites ones for them?
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April 22, 2010 8:21am
krazykiwi

Gibbon breaks out of Wellington Zoo

A renegade gibbon stole the show at Wellington Zoo yesterday, escaping from his enclosure while staff dealt with a cheetah operation and a baby baboon.

About 12.30pm, zookeepers declared a “code green” when Vilson, 22, escaped Gibbon Island and took a jaunt through trees near the zoo entrance before being caught by staff, some of whom were armed with tranquilliser darts.

General operations manager Mauritz Basson said he had just about lost patience with the ape – it was Vilson’s second escape in two weeks.

“The fact he’s out again is frustrating, because it means he’s far more intelligent than all of us … Our job is to contain him and obviously at this stage we’re not doing this.”

Far more intelligent? Perhaps Mr Mauritz Basson and Mr Vilson Gibbon should swap jobs 🙂
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April 22, 2010 8:22am
Murray

Maybe we should make him PM.

It would be a refeshing change to have one that behaved like an intelligent human and looked like an ape.
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April 22, 2010 9:05am
tvb

Those hippies are pushing white poppies to advance their peace agenda which is really an agenda of “we surrender”. They chose this time of the year to do it and they bastardise the poppies as well. They should be told that if you want peace you have to stand and fight for it if necessary. It is an insult to all those young people who sacrificed their lives so we can have freedom and yes tolerate those peace nicks.
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April 22, 2010 9:05am
Captain Neurotic

I have just encountered a ‘hippie’ trying to sell white poppies (fat, unattactive – disappointng as generally hippie girls are cute). I don’t like abusing girls so I will wait until I find a male species of the hippie until I unleash all, but physical, moral outrage.
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April 22, 2010 10:03am
Murray

Make a stand you softie. Its the only they’ll learn.
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April 22, 2010 10:08am
Murray

Apparently that UN declaration isn’t so “symbolic” after all.

“An argument has broken out in New Zealand about the meaning of a United Nations declaration the country has just signed. Maori Affairs Minister Dr Pita Sharples, a co-leader of the Maori Party, says New Zealand had decided to agree to the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. Here’s how he made the announcement in New York.

Presenter: Bruce Hill
Speakers: Dr Pita Sharples, New Zealand’s Maori Affairs Minister and co-leader of the Maori Party; Public law specialist Mai Chen; Rodney Hide, Local Government Minister and leader of the conservative ACT Party”
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacbeat/stories/201004/s2879204.htm

Hands up everyone who remebers voting for one racial sub group of our country to be privilaged above the rest.
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April 22, 2010 10:46am
Jack5

Reaaction has begun to Bro. Key’s signing on to the declaration of Indigenous Rights. Take this from Lorne Kuehn, well known to readers of the Christchurch Press . In today’s edition he writes:

With New Zealand now signed up to the Declaration on Indigenous Rights (apparently without reservation), it may be the situation that my farm land is now susceptible of being returned to the former indigenous owners.

I write to assure the descendants of these indigenous owners (and the Prime Minister) that they will get it only once they prise it out of my cold dead hands.
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April 22, 2010 10:49am
dime

300mbps over existing copper wire!!!

http://www.tgdaily.com/networking-brief/49456-dsl-phantom-mode-na-jar-jar-binks

Alcatel-Lucent says that its research group, the venerable Bell Labs, has demonstrated a test of “DSL Phantom Mode.” The result was downstream transmission speeds of 300 Megabits per second (Mbps) over distances up to 400 meters (or 100Mbps at 1km). At these speeds, service providers will be able to maximize the ability of the existing copper infrastructure – widely deployed around the world – to satisfy demand for bandwidth-intense residential triple-play and business services, for years to come.

Gotta wonder about the fibre optic thing the govt is pushing.
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April 22, 2010 10:50am
Murray

Freaken Zimbabwe V2.0 Jack5.
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April 22, 2010 10:54am
krazykiwi

@dime – Alcatel-Lucent are behind Telecom’s XT network – right?

Different topic – check out this awesome photo from the NASA Solar Dynamics Observatory.
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April 22, 2010 11:17am
Dave Mann

Murray et al, this ‘indigenous people’ bullshit is a natural and perfectly logical progression of the process that radical Maoris have been engaging in for 150 years and most actively and successfully for the past 25 years.

Lorne Kuehn has it sussed too. Ten years ago if anybody had suggested that the Maoris could take over the whole coastline of New Zealand together with its continental shelf they would have been ridiculed. Now, in 2010 they are about to achieve exactly that. Of course, we can argue endlessly what ‘take over’ means and throw fine legal points back and forth…. and while people are arguing over the details, the Maoris will be working on how they can get control of rest of the Crown’s assets via the ‘conservation estate’. Of course, the concept of private property has no place in tribalism’s world view, so our farmland will be next to fall.

When the Maoris gain control of our local bodies via some sort of veto/forced consultation process, we will all be able to kiss goodbye to individual property ownership. At the present speed of development this looks like being achieved around 2025.

This is not wild speculation. It is emerging fact…. and as New Zealand’s lawmakers have already surrendered by introducing, supporting and articulating the ethos of separate development, we had better just get used to it. There doesn’t seem to be any alternative politically. ‘Fuck off white man’ is the strong message here (no doubt they will get around to the other races in due course, but for now the white man is the primary target).
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April 22, 2010 11:34am
Murray

“we had better just get used to it. ”

Thats your plan, it aint mine.
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April 22, 2010 11:38am
Bryla

I couldn’t find a white poppy seller – so I had to abuse myself. I’m joining the Tea Party for Dammokeracy next!
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April 22, 2010 11:54am
Dave Mann

Murray, I would like to think otherwise, believe me…. but look at the facts.

There is absolutely no dissenting voice in our parliament and not one political party which even looks like being concerned about New Zealand’s slide into tribalist racism. On the contrary, racist separatists are the most important and powerful force in government and they pull the puppet strings of our largest political party AT ITS OWN INVITAION.

Added to that society as a whole has embraced unquestioningly the idea in its national pshche that Maoris are somehow ‘entitled’ to special treatment and that they have been ‘marginalised’ and ‘ripped off’. As an attempt to buy off their feelings of guilt, New Zealanders are prepared to suport the wholesale transfer of assets and money to the tune of billions of dollars measured in parcels of hundreds of millions per time to racists and agitators.

Seriously, what would YOU think is the logical outcome for our country? Seriously…?
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April 22, 2010 12:02pm
Pete George

Bryan, have you checked up on what happened to the Moriori yet?
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April 22, 2010 12:06pm
Murray

Dave I direct you to Rodney Hides interview with ABC Australias Bruce Hill.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacbeat/stories/201004/s2879204.htm

I would ask the question why do we have to go offshore to get any reasonable degree of journalism regarding our politics.

I also mention the logical outcome on the threaqd regarding Nationals voting. Civil war.
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April 22, 2010 12:09pm
Dave Mann

Thanks for the link Murray.

I clicked on the audio in the link and what did I hear? Mai Chen made the points that ‘potentially the WHOLE COUNTRY’ could fall within the scope of the (UN) article” and later on she noted that “the declaration also implies that indigenous people shall have a VETO over parliamentary lawmaking processes”.

I am not a politician, a lawyer or indeed any kind of expert at all. I am simply an ordinary person using my eyes and my intelligence. I was not parroting stuff I had heard somewhere when I wrote my comment above. These were my own thoughts, and it makes my blood run cold to to hear them relayed back to me almost verbatim by an expert in the field in an Australian news programme.
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April 22, 2010 12:33pm
Murray

That is rather my point about the standard of journalism here Dave. Why is an Australian telling us what our own media can’t seem to see or even look for?
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April 22, 2010 12:37pm
krazykiwi

Dave, I think the Kiwi psyche sad sadly become one of accepting that things will probably get worse for everyone else, but they’ll be better for me when I win Lotto on Saturday. Pathetic, but there you have it.
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April 22, 2010 12:40pm
RightNow

I’ve had to stop reading Red Alert, it turns out I have anatidaephobia, the constant fear that I’m being watched by a duck.
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April 22, 2010 12:43pm
Dave Mann

Here is Rodney Hide’s closing statement from the ABC interview:

“HIDE: No we’re not looking at pulling out (of the coalition) but it is under strain, less so the fact that they failed to notify us, but more that we didn’t expect a centre right government, a National government to be advancing, departing so radically from its core philosophy and its election pledges and manifesto that there would be law for New Zealand, and we’d all be equal before the law to be signing up to this sort of nonsense, that’s the most upsetting part of it rather than the fact that they did it covertly.”

So the ACT party is ‘upset’ is it? Oh well, thats alright then. they are not contemplating actually pulling out, withdrawing its support, making a noise, or in any way rocking the boat….. but they are nevertheless ‘upset’ that at being covertly screwed by the forces of racist separatism.

I feel so much more reassured after having listened to this.
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April 22, 2010 12:58pm
Murray

http://www.mbedard.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=405
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April 22, 2010 1:01pm
RightNow

Damn you murray, you made me look and now I’ve broken out in a sweat.
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April 22, 2010 1:03pm
minto57

Brlyla I expect abusing youself is what you do best
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April 22, 2010 1:04pm
Murray

just.don’t.move
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April 22, 2010 1:09pm
Bryla

Pete, checked it out (superficially) this morning. Ugly story. Found this though

“Today, in spite of the difficulties and genocide that Moriori faced, with unrelenting stoicism and peaceful resignation, Moriori are enjoying a renaissance, both on Rekohu and in the mainland of New Zealand. Moriori culture and identity is being revived, symbolised in January 2005 with the renewal of the Covenant of Peace at the new Kopinga marae on the Chathams.

Some Moriori descendants have made claims against the New Zealand government through the Waitangi Tribunal, a commission of inquiry charged with making recommendations on claims brought by Maori relating to actions or omissions of the Crown in the period since 1840 that breach the promises made in the Treaty of Waitangi.”

1/ Have you considered there are worse things than dying? A life in fear and moral squalor being among them. By holding to a principle of nonviolence the Moriori suffered, but did not kill, and were not exterminated. Their culture and name goes forward.

2/ I would be looking for any impact by the Moriori events on the thinking of Te Whiti o Rongarai, and the nonviolent resistance at Parihaka. Those events influenced the young Gandhi, who in turn created a modern nonviolence movement that changed the world, including the whole Anglophone world.

3/ Anzac day was originally a community based remembrance of sacrice, and a determination not to engage in industrial warfare. I’d suggest that is closer to the principles of Moriori, Te Whiti and Gandhi than it is to the current crop of second-rate political vultures.

I guess the most important thing for me is to set a code by which one lives, and to practice that code to the very best of one’s ability. It makes a difference what the code is (mine is truth and love, expressed as nonviolence) but I can accept people acting out other codes with integrity more easily than I can those who seek survival at any cost (to others, and to their own moral health).
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April 22, 2010 1:15pm
Pete George

“Some Moriori descendants” – there weren’t many left. I think that is sad.

I try to express truth and love too Bryan, and express nonviolence. But I won’t discount violence altogether, sometimes it is necessary to stand up to others, be it people or countries. Against my nature I would use violence if necessary to protect myself and my family in particular, and also my community and my country. The world is often an unkind place, and sometimes it is necessary to do things you don’t like doing.
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April 22, 2010 1:25pm
Murray

“3/ Anzac day was originally a community based remembrance of sacrice, and a determination not to engage in industrial warfare.”

Where the hell did you find that particular lie?
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April 22, 2010 1:31pm
Bryla

“I would use violence if necessary to protect myself and my family in particular, and also my community and my country”

That’s very close to what both Jesus and Gandhi said. Gandhi: paraphrased “Don’t be a hypocrite. If you have a sword in your heart, use it”.

But that’s very different from the deliberate construction and mobilisation of industrial machinery for war, and the waging of systematic war for material advantage. I suggest to you that this is what’s happening now. The propaganda wing says it’s for social preservation – but I don’t believe them. There’s far too much lying going on for that.
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April 22, 2010 1:34pm
Dave Mann

hey Bryla, thats great news!

Another indigenous race making claims on the New Zealand government (people/workers/contributors/taxpayers) and dredging up yet more historical grievances. This is exactly what we need more of. Where can I buy me some Moriori keyrings? Did they have tikis or what? This opens up whole new possibilities for our cultural adhesion.
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April 22, 2010 1:34pm
Luc Hansen

Dave, Moriori are not another indigenous race. They are part of the original indigenous peoples. I prefer to use the term “peoples” because the concept of “race” is increasingly out dated and racist.

And I would suggest that if you were in a position of a conquered and exploited indigenous people, you would be reclaiming what is rightfully yours too – as I think you should.
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April 22, 2010 1:46pm
Luc Hansen

Anyway, a story from the Land of the Free aka the Leader of the Free World…

The Governor of the State of Arizona, USA, John McCain’s home territory, has to decide in the next few days whether to sign or veto a bill that will criminalise US citizens for not carrying ID that proves their US citizenship.

And the bill instructs Arizona’s police force that that they must seek proof of identity of people who do not “look American.”

It’s being called the “Papers, please” law.

The upside is that Palestinians will be able to say that this is what the Nazis did to the Jews, and this is what the Jews do to us, so join the club!
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April 22, 2010 1:55pm
Dave Mann

Oh really Luc, so the very word ‘race’ is now politically unsafe is it? Fuckwit.

Almost every race of people in the world has been ‘conquered’ and ‘exploited’ by some other race at some time in history. Geez mate, I remember what those bastards did to my ‘people’ in Normandy! Assholes. ….. and as for the English in Ireland Don’t mention that lot! Its all too painful. And this is without bringing those fucking Vikings into the equation.

I got a couple of questions for ya. How come Cambodia can still survive and prosper just a few years after Pol-fucking-Pot? How is it that the USA is not still two countries torn apart and at each other’s throats since the 1860’s? How is it that people drive bloody Toyota’s stupid Prius cars?

Move on. Build a bridge and get over it will ya?
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April 22, 2010 2:06pm
Pete George

Bryan, I agree that the industrial machinery for war is a major issue. People having huge financial interests in wars is not healthy. But at the same time there has to be an effective defence capability, otherwise those remaining militarily strong will ride roughshod.

The US makes a big thing of the separation of religion and state (they don’t manage that entirely successfully but it is recognised). One of their major problems is a lack of separation between business and state, their lobby system is one of their biggest weaknesses, especially in relation to “defence” policies.
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April 22, 2010 2:09pm
Inventory2

Complete change of subject – is anyone shedding any tears over the news about Eric Watson having a skiing accident in the Swiss Alps? I’ll bet Hanover investors aren’t …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/04/hanover-blues.html
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April 22, 2010 2:19pm
Dave Mann

Pete, I think you might be having a discussion with Bryla. While I don’t agree with what she (probably a ‘she’) says, at least I think you should make an attempt to get her name right 🙂
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April 22, 2010 2:20pm
Luc Hansen

Calm down Dave.

I’m doing my best to reconcile your rant with my post, it’s difficult, but I’m trying!

This, as best as I can work out, is the equation: if the indigenous people are not largely wiped out (killed by guns or disease) or swamped they come back at ya. And today’s international law supports them. Bugger bugger damn damn all ya like, them’s the facts. OK bro?

I look forward to Tuhoe gaining a degree of autonomy over their lands, and will happily pay my tax towards making that a reality.

You too?
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April 22, 2010 2:24pm
Murray

Well didn’t take long at at all did it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3611020/Iwi-uses-UN-declaration-to-seek-return-of-Waitangi
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April 22, 2010 2:31pm
Dave Mann

Thank you Luc for pointing out that you look forward to Tuhoe gaining a degree of autonomy over their lands, and you will happily pay your tax towards making that a reality.

That, in a nutshell, is why our country is doomed. Not because there is one Luc who can seriously write this, but because, tragically, this (or something along these lines) is most probably the deep down unspoken conviction of a sizeable proportion of New Zealanders.

I rest my case. I’ll go back to my ancestral lands in Normandy just as soon as I can find a lawyer – preferably state funded – to fight my case against those rapacious bastard murdering thieving French.
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April 22, 2010 2:40pm
Bryla

Pete, there’s a whole literature on nonviolent social defence which is about defending a way of life rather than a piece of dirt.

If we’re defending against an invading army, aprincipal tactics include:

denial of resource (destroy crops, sabotage industrial production, go on strike, remove street signs, etc) which forces an invading force to rely on long and vulnerable supply lines;

disruption of supply lines (destroy bridges, block convoys, sabotage refrigeration)

suborn soldiers (treat individuals well, build relationships)

and, of course, maintain civil society and friendships among our own population.

Such tactics require the development of strong and effective civil institutions and movements now – which differs from the industrial mobilisation for war.
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April 22, 2010 2:44pm
Muzza M

Hey Luc when people say they are quite happy to pay tax towards persons and/or activities that noone in thier right mind would support financially or otherwise, I generally suspect that they don’t pay any fucken tax. Please correct if I am wrong.
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April 22, 2010 2:48pm
philu

“..so I had to abuse myself. ..”

got a vid u cd post of that..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 22, 2010 2:50pm
Dave Mann

philu, for once you have written something genuinely funny! Great comment…. very quick…. thank you! 🙂
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April 22, 2010 2:53pm
Pete George

This formula for understanding women is doing the rounds.
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April 22, 2010 2:53pm
Bryla

Oh yeah, Dave Mann, my name is Bryan Law so I use Bryla (with its implications of “brilliant” while staying true to my identity – get it?)

I started out on this blog when David Farrar was generous enough to give me a guest spot in the lead-up to the trial of the Waihopai Ploughshares. http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/introducing_bryan_law.html The trial turned out pretty much as I predicted.

I used my visit to make contact with a whole bunch of Kiwi peace activists, including Edwina from PMA, and we’ll be working on shared Anzac Day projects for 2011.

Pete is one of those who disagree with a lot of what I say and do, but maintains respectful and constructive behaviour. In short Pete George is the kind of human being who gives us all hope for the future.

p.s. I’m only female in my dreams.
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April 22, 2010 2:56pm
Murray

Blowing shit up isn’t “non-violent”.
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April 22, 2010 2:58pm
Pete George

I’m not violently opposed to most of what you say Bryan, most of it is a matter of degree. It’s good to have idealistic ideas, but if we want to actually do things and make effective changes we have to be realistic, and accept compromises are usually necessary.
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April 22, 2010 3:04pm
Inventory2

Pete George said

This formula for understanding women is doing the rounds.

It has to be bogus Pete. There is NO formula for understanding women 🙂
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April 22, 2010 3:06pm
Dave Mann

Oh OK Bryla… I geddit. So you’re not a peace-thru-superior-firepower kinda guy then…? Anyway, all the best with the building relationships with the soldiers of invading armies thing. Hope it all works out for you.
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April 22, 2010 3:06pm
Bryla

As practicing Utopians, we must be ruthlessly pragmatic.
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April 22, 2010 3:07pm
Pete George

And for some balance: Understanding Men

Haha, ruthlessly pragmatic, is that regarding women or war?
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April 22, 2010 3:09pm
Bryla

War. It’s comparatively simple.
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April 22, 2010 3:14pm
philu

“..my name is Bryan Law so I use Bryla (with its implications of “brilliant” while staying true to my identity – get it?)..”

could i withdraw my vid-watching-request..?

thank you..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 22, 2010 3:16pm
Murray

And the thread is rooted.
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April 22, 2010 3:26pm
RightNow

@Pete re the formula for understanding women – that’s only the high-level overview, there’s a further series of lectures to get the detail
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April 22, 2010 4:22pm
RightNow

P.S Anyone Wellington based still got power? Fortunately we have 2 generators here (and at least 5 network feeds) so are still running, but we’ve been seeing other ISP’s fall off WIX (I probably shouldn’t name them but they both end in ‘wireless’) as they obviously haven’t got UPS power for their switching gear…
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April 22, 2010 4:25pm
Pete George

The windmill must have stopped, our Wellington office is disconnected.

Completely unrelated (maybe):

Global Temperatures Push March 2010 to Hottest March on Record

The world’s combined global land and ocean surface temperature made last month the warmest March on record, according to NOAA. Taken separately, average ocean temperatures were the warmest for any March and the global land surface was the fourth warmest for any March on record. Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January — March period on record.

Of course this could be natural fluctuations.
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April 22, 2010 4:33pm
RightNow

Power reported to be back on. Pete – the windmill stopped 4 months ago, parts too costly to replace apparently.
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April 22, 2010 4:34pm
Luc Hansen

Muzza

Sorry (for you) to say yes, you are wrong.

I always pay tax (unlike Sam Morgan). In my most fiscally productive years as an employee I regularly paid over 30 grand tax.

I totally support the right of indigenous peoples to recover their stolen property, whatever it costs me personally by way of tax.

It’s a matter of principle.
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April 22, 2010 4:47pm
Luc Hansen

Pete @ 4.33pm

The scientists today actually have a pretty good handle on your natural fluctuations.

Read more.
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April 22, 2010 5:02pm
krazykiwi

Additionally, the planet has seen the fourth warmest January — March period on record

Just as well we didn’t have good instruments back in very warm the medieval warming period then. Oh, I forgot – that bit of pre-industrial history was expunged from IPCC datasets because it didn’t support the politically-driven hypothesis.

@Luc – Please set an example by handing over title of your property(s) to their last indigenous owner. We’ll call it an integrity tax. Until then you’re full of shit.
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April 22, 2010 5:28pm
Bryla

Wind-up Wellington?
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April 22, 2010 5:39pm
JiveKitty

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7096678/coffin-rolled-out-at-last-ecan-meeting/ Oh, the symbolism.
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April 22, 2010 5:42pm
Hurf Durf

Nothing like a dose of peoples guilt to make Luc’s heart bleed.

I totally support the right of indigenous peoples to recover their stolen property, whatever it costs me personally by way of tax.

That’s good. 80% of your earnings and assets then?
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April 22, 2010 6:15pm
side show bob

Luc you are a total dick. Many of my relatives speak of their ancestors. Unfortunately the were raided, raped, enslaved, murdered and some even had the misfortune to be eaten by the indigenous peoples of Waikato. But the greatest misfortune to fall upon Maori are liberal brain dead dicks like yourself that are thick as pigshit. Stolen property, yes but don’t be fooled that this is solely a white mans disease. You are as weak as weasel piss and you will be one of the first casualties.
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April 22, 2010 7:35pm
boredboy

I can’t believe how any of you can call Maori ‘privileged’ when they reside at the bottoms of all the indicators of success and at the tops of the bad.

These people are the poorest in the country.

Privileged my arse.

I would be convinced if there were [i]any[/i] other indigenous cultures that were similarly dominated by the English upon contact but, as far as I can tell, there aren’t.
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April 22, 2010 9:18pm
MikeNZ

Boredboy
We are all colonisers originally including the Maori, so I don’t accept that Tangata Whenua crap, esp with the inference that they are first class citizens and should have veto or should always be consulted.
If you’re a citizen you are it, no matter your colour, family origins or how your original ancestors got here.
One law for all.
The sooner we dismantle the racist laws and get rid of the racist Maori seats the better.

Liberal White guilt is the most toxic paranoia for any democracy.
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April 22, 2010 9:29pm
big bruv

boredboy

“These people are the poorest in the country.”

Bullshit!, Maori are not the poorest in the country, the pacific Island peoples have that dubious honour.

Despite this they do not come close to matching Maori on the indicators you mentioned.

Maori are privileged, despite this they still languish near the bottom, until they wake up to the fact that they have the same chances (and more) than any other race in NZ then they will continue to blame everybody else for their failings.
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April 22, 2010 9:35pm
Jack5

Lucy Hansen surpassed herself in this 1.46 post:

… the concept of “race” is increasingly out dated and racist…
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April 22, 2010 9:42pm
Jack5

New topic…

Did anyone hear the programme about school bullying on Radio NZ’s Labour Radio this morning.

Bloody sinister. Undercover teams of students to find victims of “bullying”at Rosehill College.

This is Orwellian. All the speakers females. Pupils and parents being encouraged to rat on each other, and the National Socialists Government pouring in tens of millions in the quest to find and reprogramme those identified as “bullies” or “potential bullies”.

No wonder the NZ education is absolutely failing boys. The female-dominated teaching profession is hellbent on turning us into a a nation of girly men under the thumb of strident feminists.

We made need a revolution yet. Hang on to those old .303’s.
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April 22, 2010 9:47pm
TimG_Oz

Screw you all … I’ve got the best Rugby League team!

Oh, wait…..
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