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Viking2

Finlayson puts foreshore and seabed plans to hui
But not to the rest of NZ. citizens.
The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 17/04/2010

Te Rauparaha Wineera, Tuwhareiti Wineera McBride and Tilly Katene
ROSS GIBLIN/The Dominion Post

DISCUSSION TIME: From left, Te Rauparaha Wineera, Tuwhareiti Wineera McBride and Tilly Katene gather at Porirua’s Takapuwahia Marae for consultation with Attorney-General Chris Finlayson on the Foreshore and Seabed Act review.
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Treaty negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson attended a foreshore and seabed hui with about 100 people at Takapuwahia Marae in Titahi Bay yesterday.

He outlined the Government’s proposed changes to the Foreshore and Seabed Act.

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=232&p=29633#p29633
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April 17, 2010 8:55am
starboard

what ya expect from Hone Key…
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April 17, 2010 9:18am
cha

The Southern Poverty Law Center invites us to Meet the ‘Patriots’ with profiles of 36 of the leaders of the far right anti-government lunacy including World Nut Daily’s head nutter Joseph Farah, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and John Birch Society leader John McManus. Unfortunately nothing about our very own Redbaiter so he’ll be disappointed he never made the cut.
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April 17, 2010 9:31am
Redbaiter

Poor old Cha, as usual, nothing to post to Kiwiblog but the perversions of his twisted priests of Progressivism. Drinking the Kool Ade in greedy gulps, Cha has no idea he’s living in an alternative universe where truth is always going to be a casualty of political advantage. The SPLC is one of the most disreputable and disgusting organs of Progressivism out there.

Read here-

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/28/liberal-reality-is-fabricated-perception-npr-the-southern-poverty-law-center-and-the-infrastructure-of-an-alternate-fact-filtered-universe/

Comments are interesting too.
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April 17, 2010 10:38am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/coca-colla-goes-on-sale-in-bolivia/

“.. A coca-based soft drink went on sale in Bolivia this week.

Coca Colla, made from the coca leaf and named after Bolivia’s indigenous Colla people, is the latest manifestation of President Evo Morales’ quest to expand legal markets for coca products.

The first batch of Coca Colla, about 12,000 half-litre bottles going for $1.50 each, went on sale in La Paz, Santa Cruz, and Cochabamba.

Like Coca-Cola, it is black, sweet, and comes in a bottle with a red label.

Unlike Coca-Cola, which originally used full-fledged coca leaf extract .. but began de-cocainizing it early in the company’s history ..

.. Coca Colla is the real thing..”

and of course..when some sanity/humanity returns to our hysteria-based drug laws..

..i fully expect tinctures of cocaine/w.h.y. to be available to the elderly and infirmed..

..y’know..!..it’s all about ‘quality of life’..really..isn’t it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 10:40am
Dave Mann

How dare these arrogant bastards steal the Foreshore and seabed from New Zealanders? I am absolutely gobsmacked that this can be happening in New Zealand and there is almost no reaction.

Either Kiwis are so bloody apathetic or the majority actually WANT this hugely symbolic theft to take place. Which is it? Is this part of some ‘nationhood’ process gone off the rails where we are turning away from the concept of the ‘crown’ and instead embracing the concept of a race-based tribalist society where ownership of our country is in the hands of a few?

In any other country there would be armed insurrection against a government that tried to pull this treachery on its citizenry.
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April 17, 2010 10:44am
tristanb

..i fully expect tinctures of cocaine/w.h.y. to be available to the elderly and infirmed..it’s all about ‘quality of life’

Well, it won’t be about length of life if you start giving oldies cocaine! But then again, there’s not much quality of life with severe heart failure!
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April 17, 2010 10:53am
big bruv

“Either Kiwis are so bloody apathetic ”

Yep!, you have hit the nail on the head Dave, how else can you explain the people of NZ putting up with nine years of the corrupt Labour government and nine years of an ever expanding welfare system.

Sadly you have to almost smash the average Kiwi between the eyes with a piece of four by two before they shake themselves out of their apathetic state.
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April 17, 2010 10:56am
philu

it’s all about size of dose..trist..

..i’m not advocating thrusting crack-pipes and bags of coke into their hands..

..but a morning tincture..with a mid-afternoon top-up..

..would put a skip into their step..and a smile on their lips..

..and i ask you..why the fuck not..?

why shouldn’t they have the salves/solaces offered by the likes of opium/cocaine..

why the fuck does it matter to the rest of us..?

..at that time in their life-cycle..?

..we’ll happily dose them to the eyeballs with vile products from the ‘drug-industry’..

..why not something that will actually ‘work’..?

(i’m expecting ageing boomers to get more and more behind this idea/concept..)

and before you start..you judgemental/moralising/wowser/fascists..horrified by the very idea of others enjoying themselves..(miserable bastards..!..)

..can just fuck off..eh..?..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 11:03am
philu

and speaking of the vile muck peddled to oldies by the drug companies..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/making-a-killing-%e2%80%93-the-untold-story-of-psychotropic-drugging/

“..The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging:

A Documentary – Video

Documentary rips the mask off psychotropic drugging ..

..and exposes a brutal but well-entrenched money-making machine..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 11:16am
big bruv

Jesus DPF!, you must have the patience of a saint to put up with the shit that Phool posts day after day.
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April 17, 2010 11:22am
starboard

..why the fuck not..?

the fuck does it matter

miserable bastards..!..)

can just fuck off..eh..?..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

the whore is having another meltdown….time for a bong loser….
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April 17, 2010 11:27am
philu

you are scared of/by ‘ideas’/change..aren’t you big b..?

..it is ..after all..the hallmark of the ‘conservative’..eh..?

..that ‘fear’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 11:27am
philu

go on star-bored..!..dazzle us..!

..say something interesting..!..for the very first time..!

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 11:29am
starboard

say something interesting..!..for the very first time..!

I could ask the same of you whore…
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April 17, 2010 11:36am
cha

In any other country there would be armed insurrection against a government that tried to pull this treachery on its citizenry..

But you’re hardly likely to be involved are you Dave, you’d probably sit in the corner nervously…..
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April 17, 2010 11:39am
philu

so..that’s yr best riposte there..?..bored..?

”nyah..!..nyah..!..you are too..!”..?

ah well..!

..you just ‘carry on’..eh..?

..there you go..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 17, 2010 11:44am
s.russell

How dare these arrogant bastards steal the Foreshore and seabed from New Zealanders?

I agree! The foreshore and seabed should be kept by the original owners: that group of New Zealanders known as Maori. Shame on those arrogant pakeha bastards who tried to steal it.
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April 17, 2010 11:49am
Jack5

new topic..

A strange, gullible piece in today’s Christchurch Press confirms that it is a hype bubble which put about that NZ has mineral resources are in value second per capita only to Saudi Arabia’s. (Yes this does include a World Bank report, but that undoubtedly drew on information from within the NZ bureaucracy.)

The two-page Press article centres on John Rutherford, a Christchurch lawyer whose business career has included many extremely high economic ambitions. These have ranged from building societies to founding a communications empire based on earth satellite stations and, I seem to recall, cable TV networks.

The Press says Rutherford made “vast fortunes” from these and a “charter airline business”. Strange Rutherford doesns’t seem to have been in the NBR rich lists. Nor do you hear Canterbury people talk about these fortunes.

Rutherford is behind ambitions to create what the Press says is a $30 billion a year industry dredging black-sand iron ore that allegedly is awaiting to be dug up on the seabed off the North Island. Rutherford also says Chinese are waiting to build a smelter in New Plymouth employing 10,000.

The Press quotes a person from a minor Australian prospector making the bold suggestion that “in just a few years” NZ with this resource could take a fifth of the world’s market for iron ore.

If you wade to the end of the article it is revealed that Rutherford’s dream has stalled because of apparent inaction (or uninterest?) from mining giant Rio Tinto, whom he has some deal with, and that there is a court case.

So the sea floor billions remain dreams at this stage.

The article goes on to talk of “$1 trillion” worth of lignite in Southland. It does not mention is of so low value and energy content it cannot economically be moved far from the beds, and can only be burned for electricity, or with vast subsidies, as in wartime Germany or boycotted apartheid South Africa converted into diesel.

Gerry Brownlee, Minister for Economic Development as well as Minister of Energy and Resources, should know Rutherford’s background and history. Brownlee’s electorate is in Christchurch, after all.

It would be useful for NZ to explore its land and seabed for economically harvestable resources. The hype being generated at present, however, will drive realists to scepticism and align them with Greenies. It will also cause the public increasingly to suspect the hype is being used politically — “forget about today, our economic problems will soon be over soon”.

Meantime the hype helps keep the kiwi dollar madly high and punishes our real economic stalwarts, today’s exporters.
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April 17, 2010 11:50am
backster

Wonder what the Koha is at all these Hui.?
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April 17, 2010 11:51am
Yvette

In the interests of trying to reduce the amount of verbal diarrhoea [excessive slash forwards between alternate words indicating extreme uncertainty in choosing the correct word] confounded by linguistic anal retention [overuse of ‘..’ and other puerile use of punctuation to interrupt the flow of one’s expression], DCVDLAR disorder, or more commonly known as incommunicative disease ‘Phlu, the following is a summary of posts on Whore.com –

The untold story of psychotropic drugging – video
Cab US dollar remain world’s currency?
Housing crag update: a world of pain ahead
Recovering from empathy – Iraq
Soy burgers with toxin
Coca Colla on sale in Bolivia
LA, ‘Wild West’ of medical marijuana
Rolling Stone archive goes online
Ugly Queens Wharf sheds worth second look
Harpoon waiting to prick Keys bubble
Kiwi reggae band Herbs in a name court battle
TelstraClear customer support ‘sucks’

and the best post of all:
an apology for starting [late]

This will now hopefully negate ‘Phlu from needing to dump these whore posts here on Kiwiblog for the rest of today
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April 17, 2010 12:01pm
starboard

I agree! The foreshore and seabed should be kept by the original owners: that group of New Zealanders known as Maori. Shame on those arrogant pakeha bastards who tried to steal it.

umm…maybe it belongs to everyone dickhead. Why does someone have to ” own ” it….Maori were not the first people here either dickhead….
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April 17, 2010 12:05pm
Redbaiter

“The foreshore and seabed should be kept by the original owners: that group of New Zealanders known as Maori.”

There was no Maori “ownership”. Not until European settlers arrived and provided the government infrastructure to register title, and after that, there was never any registered title to the foreshore, or the rivers and their beds. This is all just political garbage. Lies that those seeking political advantage keep repeating. Lies that are then repeated again by unthinking gullible shit for brains morons.
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April 17, 2010 12:48pm
Viking2

To gain an insight into the development rights and mining rights to the foreshore and seabed that National and the Maori Party appear to be planning under the proposed new Maori customary title, read the transcript of Duncan Garner’s interview with Treaty Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson here:

Duncan Garner interviews Chris Finlayson on The Nation

“DUNCAN So you’d be willing to sit around the table with iwi in future negotiations as long as you’re the Minister and have customary title looked at outside of the courts obviously which is what this process allows, correct?

CHRIS Oh yes look I – it may seem to be contradictory but what we’re trying to do is re-establish that fundamental right of access to justice, which I think most people would agree was a major problem with the 2004 Act. Having said that, I’d be much happier to negotiate with people because I’m a lawyer, I know what litigation costs, I know the time that’s involved and the effort that’s involved, and if things are able to be sorted out through negotiation, I think that’s great.

DUNCAN So you’re telling Maori not to go to court, you’re telling them to come to the Beehive aren’t you?”

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=979
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April 17, 2010 1:47pm
Viking2

This week’s poll asks:

Would you support the future of the Foreshore and Seabed being subject to a binding referendum at the 2011 election?

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=977
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April 17, 2010 1:48pm
Viking2

Stop Trying to Mislead Us on the ETS Dr Smith
Friday, 16 April 2010, 5:19 pm
Press Release: ACT New Zealand

Stop Trying to Mislead Us on the ETS Dr Smith

ACT Climate Change spokesperson John Boscawen today called on Climate Change Issues Minister Hon Dr Nick Smith to stop misleading the public over the costs of his Emissions Trading Scheme.

“Earlier today Nick Smith said that ‘New Zealand would face a deficit of 22 million tonnes, or $446 million without the ETS’. This is misleading. Unlike the very real costs that will be imposed on all New Zealanders due to the ETS from July 1, the $446 million figure is purely hypothetical,” Mr Boscawen said.
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“Dr Smith’s calculations factor in the cost to the Government when foresters fell their post -1990 trees after 2012. However, this cost is illusionary. Given that no successor agreement to the Kyoto Protocol has or is likely to be agreed to, from 2013 there simply will not be any obligations for New Zealand to meet.

“Moreover, in any event, the international political reality is that any obligation that does eventuate would not be enforced; as evidenced by Canada’s recent refusal to pay any shortfall it might theoretically be liable for.

“Nick Smith should not be using theoretical costs that he knows are highly unlikely to eventuate and would not be enforced even if they did to justify the very real costs he is imposing on New Zealanders. We deserve better.

“The reality is, that come July 1, all New Zealanders will be faced with a five percent increase in electricity prices and a four cents per litre increase in petrol prices. These are real costs that ordinary New Zealanders will have to pay solely because of the ETS. By contrast Dr Smith’s $446 million is a purely theoretical figure that in all likelihood will not eventuate.

“Contrary to Dr Smith’s assertions the ETS is not saving New Zealanders any money at all.

“Dr Smith is doing New Zealanders a disservice by trying to confuse this important debate further with statements such as the one today. I call on him to stick to the real costs and to spend his time justifying to ordinary New Zealanders why their electricity and energy costs are about to increase needlessly, rather than to issue meaningless press releases like the one today,” Mr Boscawen said.
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April 17, 2010 1:53pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3592670/Carvings-out-of-whack-says-dad

This guy is my vote for the saddest dork of 2010 so far with the reporter second and the editor 3rd.
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April 17, 2010 3:00pm
Pete George

Looks like Obama’s next big project is Wall Street. He has just sent this out to his email address list. This will be a tough lobby group to crack, they have plenty of government funds to fight the government with.

It has now been well over a year since the near collapse of our entire financial system that cost the nation more than 8 million jobs. To this day, hard-working families struggle to make ends meet.

We’ve made strides — businesses are starting to hire, Americans are finding jobs, and neighbors who had given up looking are returning to the job market with new hope. But the flaws in our financial system that led to this crisis remain unresolved.

Wall Street titans still recklessly speculate with borrowed money. Big banks and credit card companies stack the deck to earn millions while far too many middle-class families, who have done everything right, can barely pay their bills or save for a better future.

We cannot delay action any longer. It is time to hold the big banks accountable to the people they serve, establish the strongest consumer protections in our nation’s history — and ensure that taxpayers will never again be forced to bail out big banks because they are “too big to fail.”

That is what Wall Street reform will achieve, why I am so committed to making it happen, and why I’m asking for your help today.

Please stand with me to show your support for Wall Street reform.

We know that without enforceable, commonsense rules to check abuse and protect families, markets are not truly free. Wall Street reform will foster a strong and vibrant financial sector so that businesses can get loans; families can afford mortgages; entrepreneurs can find the capital to start a new company, sell a new product, or offer a new service.

Consumer financial protections are currently spread across seven different government agencies. Wall Street reform will create one single Consumer Financial Protection Agency — tasked with preventing predatory practices and making sure you get the clear information, not fine print, needed to avoid ballooning mortgage payments or credit card rate hikes.

Reform will provide crucial new oversight, give shareholders a say on salaries and bonuses, and create new tools to break up failing financial firms so that taxpayers aren’t forced into another unfair bailout. And reform will keep our economy secure by ensuring that no single firm can bring down the whole financial system.

With so much at stake, it is not surprising that allies of the big banks and Wall Street lenders have already launched a multi-million-dollar ad campaign to fight these changes. Arm-twisting lobbyists are already storming Capitol Hill, seeking to undermine the strong bipartisan foundation of reform with loopholes and exemptions for the most egregious abusers of consumers.

I won’t accept anything short of the full protection that our citizens deserve and our economy needs. It’s a fight worth having, and it is a fight we can win — if we stand up and speak out together.

So I’m asking you to join me, starting today, by adding your name as a strong supporter of Wall Street reform:

http://my.democrats.org/WallStreetReform

Thank you,

President Barack Obama
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April 17, 2010 4:17pm
Steve

Pauleastbay @ 3.00 reveals a sad sniveling socialist dick
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3592670/Carvings-out-of-whack-says-dad

So Phillip Stevens just found out Maori boys have big cocks. Make him all insecure in front of his kids.
See a Councilor or Trick Cyclist Phillip. Or you could make a protest and cut the offending parts off.
Wimp.
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April 17, 2010 4:50pm
tristanb

So Phillip Stevens just found out Maori boys have big cocks.

Actually I’ve heard Maori had very thin and also relatively short penises. Not to be racist, but they descended from Asians not Africans.

I’ve just seen the sickest story:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3593855/Bestiality-farm-run-by-drug-smuggler

Forgive my innocence, but I never even knew something like this could even exist! How horrible.
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April 17, 2010 5:18pm
krazykiwi

Perhaps the ‘threat’ of AGW-sourced Armageddon is fading? Not to worry, Obama has a backup catastrophe which will require our fear and our open wallets. Either that, or this a highly aspirational diversion.

Obama’s asteroid plan could save the earth

Landing a man on the moon was a towering achievement. Now the US president has given Nasa an even harder job, one with a certain Hollywood quality: sending astronauts to an asteroid, a giant speeding rock, just 15 years from now.
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“You could be saving humankind. That’s worthy, isn’t it?” said Bill Nye, a TV science educator and vice president of the Planetary Society. President Barack Obama outlined Nasa’s new path during a visit to the Kennedy Space Centre on Thursday.
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Landing on an asteroid and giving it a well-timed nudge “would demonstrate once and for all that we’re smarter than the dinosaurs and can avoid what they didn’t,” said White House science adviser John Holdren.

BTW, Holdren is a chap worth keeping an eye on. His mentors were Paul and Anne Ehrlich, the radical eugenicists, he was a proponent of Global Cooling in the 70’s and he has co-authored with Pachauri, the world’s favourite railway engineer last seen chairing the IPCC. Based on Holdrens own eugenic leanings I’d have thought nudging the asteroid into the earth’s path would be more his style!
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April 17, 2010 5:56pm
Steve

@ tristanb,
Ah! thats what the Maori boys tell you, until it’s time for action
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April 17, 2010 6:02pm
tom hunter

…….I’d have thought nudging the asteroid into the earth’s path would be more his style!

Heh, heh, heh……that’s exactly what I thought when I came across the piece.

Still, it’s a good setting for the movie Armageddon II: The Avatar Revenge – in which boyhood pals square off as Ben Affleck leads a team of US military/CIA/NASA experts in a desperate effort to thwart the plans of Sea Shepard fanatics led by Matt Damon for crashing a Chixalub-size asteroid into Israel.!!!

Oh come one – that storyline has “cool” written on it for global audiences. 😀
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April 17, 2010 6:27pm
krazykiwi

@tom – Ha! Get working on the script. Those eco-conscience dollars are getting harder to find 🙂
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April 17, 2010 6:56pm
Viking2

Meeting dates and places for the HUI.
Ah what a surprise not only are all the meetings on a Marae but also on a work day, during working hours. Plenty of the bros will have nothing to do so could attend but not the actual contributors to the country, a certain one of who would not be able to pay his rent if he took a day off work, no social welfare handouts available to help this treaty partner out.

Hui and public meetings Date Time Location

Friday 9 April 12.30pm-3.00pm Waikawa Marae, Picton
6.30pm-7.30pm Copthorne Hotel, Blenheim

Saturday 10 April 12.00pm-1.30pm Rautahi Marae, Kawerau

Tuesday 13 April 12.30pm-3.00pm Puatahi Marae, Kaipara Coast Highway
6.30pm-7.30pm Butterfly Creek, Auckland Airport

Wednesday 14 April 12.30pm-3.00pm Muriwai Marae, Gisborne
6.30pm-7.30pm Emerald Hotel, Gisborne

Thursday 15 April 1.00pm-3.30pm Pukemokimoki Marae, Darwin Cresent, Maraenui, Napier
6.30pm-7.30pm Municipal Theatre, Tennyson Street, Napier

Friday 16 April 12.30pm-3.00pm Takapuwahia Marae, Nohorua Street, Porirua
5.00pm-6.00pm Overseas Terminal, Chaffers Marina, Oriental Bay, Wellington

Saturday 17 April 9.30am-12.00pm Raukawa Marae, Mill Road, Otaki
2.00pm-3.00pm Otaki Memorial Hall, Main Street, Otaki

Wednesday 21 April 2.30pm-4.00pm Onuku Marae, Akaroa, Banks Peninsula
6.30pm-7.30pm Copthorne Hotel, Durham Street, Christchurch

Thursday 22 April 2.00pm-4.00pm Ngāti Ruanui Tahua Office, Union Street, Hawera
6.30pm-7.30pm Quality Hotel International, Cnr of Courtenay and Leach Streets, New Plymouth

Friday 23 April 12.30pm-3.00pm Te Pai o Hauraki Marae, Papaturoa Ave, Paeroa
4.00pm-5.00pm Hotel Ibis Tainui, Alma Street, Hamilton

Saturday 24 April 11.30am – 2.30pm Copthorne Hokianga, Highway 12, Hokianga, Omapere

Not many dates left for any of us to attend. I don’t agree with the Public Domain concept especially if there is also to be Maori name attached to it. This will be re-interpreted over and over again over the years to mean something else whilst they try to wring more and more out of us. It should remain in Crown ownership. We had no problem with it before and I can’t see why we can’t go back to it.

Nothing in Tauranga, Whangarei ,Wanganui, Taupo, Rotorua, and most other places. Findlayson is a fraud, like the Judges that make up his mates. as is now being shown in the wool board case.

A major constitutional and ownership change being proposed on WE know best basis. Worse than Clark, Cullen, Graham et al. And don’t forget this guy is our Attorney General, i.e. our defender of our constitution and our citizenship.

This stinks worse than week old Kina.
This is the National Party repeat of Latimer, Graham and all. They are the National Maori Party in disguise.
I am hearing more discontent from customers presently over all this then way back in the 90’s when “maori issues” were the prime reason for Kiwi’s leaving for Aussie. Didn’t take long for the National Maori Party to reignite that exodus.

But we must not talk about it because that’s racist isn’t it.
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April 17, 2010 8:10pm
wreck1080

Hamilton v8 supercars deserve to go-under.

Was semi-interested in taking my boy there tomorrow.

Checked out the parking information , this is what they say on the official website….
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Park N Ride
There is no Park N Ride facility this year. This has been replaced with pre-paid event parking which is within easy walking distance of the race circuit. These facilities are for pre-paid purchases ONLY. They are available from Ticketek.

To locate the pre-paid event parking, if coming from the north, travel along Te Rapa Rd. Turn right into Forest Lake Rd (at the traffic lights) at the intersection with Te Rapa/Forest Lake/Ulster St and Victoria St. Turn left into Ridout St, right into Maeroa Rd and there are signposts to direct you to the parking area in Maeroa School. Entry is approx 400m along Seddon Rd.
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There is also a map, which really only shows you where you cannot park. Nothing about where you can park.

So, firstly they tell you there is no park n ride. Then, they tell you there is only pre-paid event parking , which is only available through ticketek. I checked ticketek, and there is NO information regarding this so mythical prepaid parking.

As far as I can figure, if you want to attend the Hamilton v8 race, you must park in some hamilton suburb then work out the closest bus stop and time table for that bus stop. And, reverse that for getting home.

What was wrong with park n ride?
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April 17, 2010 8:47pm
Hurf Durf

Cha, if you knew anything about anything, which you don’t, you’d know that the Infowars crowd latch onto anything opposed to the administration of the day and that the Birchers operate similarly, being an operation completely separate to and pre-dating the TP umbrella. McManus and Jones have never coordinated or organised any TP protests, rather they leech on to justify their own existences. It’s a pity an organisation with the minds and resources of the SPLC can’t figure that out and instead decide to besmirch by association the TP by smearing them with the broadest “right” brush possible. It’s also sad they can’t figure out that the TP exists to protest the tax burden and where the axe falls and that small government does not equal no government. Then again, considering how small Mark Potok’s face is his nostrils must not let enough oxygen to his brain.

Looks like Obama’s next big project is Wall Street. He has just sent this out to his email address list. This will be a tough lobby group to crack, they have plenty of government funds to fight the government with.

Yeah, I suspected that Goldman Sachs beat up today didn’t just appear out of nowhere. I wonder if they’ll scrap the CRA…nah, thought not.
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April 17, 2010 10:55pm
Inky_the_Red

I been looking at the UK polls for the May election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

Latest Poll has the Lib Dems ahead, most in the last 2 days now have Labour third. The first ever TV debate seems to have changed intentions of a lot of people.
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April 18, 2010 8:33am
Tauhei Notts

Napier’s “Mangrove” has a go at Whale Oil in today’s Sunday News.
It is worth reading.
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April 18, 2010 8:55am
jackp

Vicking 2, I went to the meeting in Napier that evening. I had to go in the evening because I work. There were about 75 plus attended and about a third of that was Maori. The purpose of the meeting was to get public feedback according to Finlayson. I can tell you that Finlayson has no intention of “getting public opinion”. Pakeha were coming up with some good questions and Finlayson reacted in the defensive. He also said that the official language of New Zealand is “Maori and sign language.” Not english. There were also maori terminology that is going to be put into the new foreshore and seabed act that Finlayson couldn’t even interpret!! I was suprised with the poor turnout and discusted with Finlayson’s defensive attitude. If the public really knew what was happening, Key’s popularity would fall. This new Foreshore and Seabed act is a train wreck waiting to happen. This would be perfect for a public debate on TV sponspored by one of the network, probably tv3.
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