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krazykiwi

Kiwis worst in the world for bullying

One in five Kiwi workers suffer from workplace bullying, one of the worst rates in the world. One in five Kiwi workers suffer from workplace bullying, one of the worst rates in the world. The figures are revealed in a university survey released today.

A joint university research team – from Auckland, Waikato, Massey and London – polled more than 1700 workers from the health, education, hospitality and travel sectors asking how frequently they were exposed to “negative acts” at work.

Overall 17.8 per cent of respondents were identified as victims of bullying. The international range was between 5 per cent and 20 per cent.

If the range is 5 thru 20%, how does 17.8 make us the worst in the world? Not at bullying perhaps, but at math, and/or journalistic alarmism.

I have zero influence on if people are ‘nice’ to me or not. In contrast I have 100% influence over how nice I am to others. I spend my time ignoring the former and working on the latter, and don’t need legislation which would simultaneously turn me into a ‘victim’ and give me ‘rights’
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April 15, 2010 8:39am
KiwiGreg

What’s a “negative act”?

Also a selective sampling of specific service sectors hardly translates into “one in five Kiwi workers”
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April 15, 2010 8:51am
Redbaiter

As gross an example of left wing media bias as you would ever see. From the use of the derisory term “birther”, to the editorialising “(incorrectly)” this story shows just how corrupt the left have made our mainstream media, and every other public institution that they have converted from a public service to a political force.

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Army to court martial ‘birther’ officer
From NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Mark Murray

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be “illegal.”

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief, because he believes (incorrectly) that Obama wasn’t born in the United States.

Lakin refused this week to report to Fort Campbell, KY for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead showed up at the Pentagon, where he was confronted by his brigade Commander Col. Gordon Roberts, a Vietnam Medal of Honor recipient.

Lakin was informed by Roberts that he would face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.

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Good roundup of the case against Obama here-

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=139725
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April 15, 2010 8:54am
MikeNZ

Private prisons are in the offering.
If there is good profit to be made why do state prisons cost so much and give little return for rehab and suchlike?
apart from the prisoners input of course?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/infrastructure/3583585/Aussies-keen-to-win-Kiwi-jail-contract

If Bill (watch me clean) English thinks 20% can be saved, is that enough for class room and trade schools for those under 3 convictions?
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April 15, 2010 8:55am
Blue Coast

I wonder how many of these “victims” consider being told what to do on the job think that is bullying. It is the bosses right to issue instructions albeit in a considered manner.

In my humble opinion those stats are BS
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April 15, 2010 8:55am
MikeNZ

Red
If there was nothing to hide, Obama would have produced the long form certificate already.
I think there is a good chance the Kenyans have got it right.
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April 15, 2010 8:56am
eszett

Redbaiter (9426) Says:
April 15th, 2010 at 8:54 am

As gross an example of left wing media bias as you would ever see. From the use of the derisory term “birther”,

True. Idiot would be more appropriate.
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April 15, 2010 9:06am
Redbaiter

“I think there is a good chance the Kenyans have got it right.”

I look upon this whole issue as typifying the rank corruption that today enfolds almost every facet of our lives, as the tyrannical left strive to impose their single political perspective over everything and everybody.

We are awash in a Soviet/ Stalinist sea of lies and deceit as the left steadily convert each and every one of our public institutions into a vehicle to advance their political ambitions.

The news media is just a a small part of it. From their attempts to intimidate anyone who requires Obama abide by Constitutional requirements, to their perversion of the Nobel and Pulitzer prizes, their gross corruption of our entertainment industry, our educational facilities, our government bureaucracies, our scientific institutions, and our law enforcement agencies, the left have turned almost all western countries into stinking stagnant cesspools of political corruption.
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April 15, 2010 9:06am
krazykiwi

@Blue Coast – Exactly. I’m helping with a situation at the moment where an employee is claiming bullying by their boss. It’s a not-for-profit org. The boss has replied by giving this person more and more leeway over time to the extent that every request – however reasonable in scope and presentation – is replied to with “don’t bully me”. Creating victims and giving them rights is a recipe for disaster.
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April 15, 2010 9:07am
andrei

CrazyKiwi

Kiwis worst in the world for bullying? Really I don’t think so!
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April 15, 2010 9:23am
Pete George

Kiwibloggers worst in the country for bullying

A nonscientific survey (aka a rough guess) has been done on Kiwiblog and it has determined that 100% of posters have been subjected to bullying.

Health and safety laws are needed to combat blog bullying alongside harassment and discrimination.
Alternately ACC cover should be extended to cover the costs of recovering blog bully victims.

And before someone bullies me over this post – I’m taking the piss.
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April 15, 2010 9:26am
Redbaiter

On the fake bullying survey-

As I said at NZ Conservative-

” What planet is the joint university research team from? ”

Planet Socialism. Our universities today are corrupt institutions that exist only to advance left wing political ambitions. In this case, the idea is once again, to enforce a uniformity of thought and behaviour that makes it easier for the tyrannical left to impose their political perspective upon all and sundry.

People won’t fight this because, in yet another example of how the left have systematically twisted conventional morality inside out, they might be accused of bullying.

http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2010/04/what-load-of-drivel.html
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April 15, 2010 9:33am
Grendel

it does not surprise me that kitchens are listed as one of the ‘hotspots’.

when i ran a bar, i helped out in the kitchen on friday lunches, and without a doubt every chef i know is a total prick… when hes working.

you are on a time pressure to get a bunch of meals done and delievered to the customers, and if someone is slacking off or not working fast enough, they get a kick up the ass.

is it bullying? sure by the most basic definition, but its also part of the job and if you don;t like it don;t work in hospo. it would be like calling a drill instructor a bully, or the personal trainer. the mere fact that you need to push someone past what they would normally do is enough to make you a bully. hell as a financial planner i could be accused of bullying people to pull finger and stop spending all their money on crap.

a lot of the time i think people just need to harden up.

AL
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April 15, 2010 9:40am
Pete George

Don’t bully the socialists Red.

What planet are you from? Do none of our universities exist to help people get degrees so they can earn heaps more dosh and become good capitalists?
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April 15, 2010 9:43am
Brian Harmer

Redbaiter (9429) Says:
April 15th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Our universities today are corrupt institutions that exist only to advance left wing political ambitions.

That tars a lot of fine scholars with an undeservedly broad brush. The percentage of university staff who are involved in subjects that have political dimensions is much smaller than most people imagine. My own field is information systems. Others who teach Zoology, German, Geography, Architecture, Physics, etc, are just too busy in the depth of their topic to find a political slant with which to corrupt the youth of today. Most of us participate in universities because we are excited by knowledge of our field, and the opportunity to share that excitement with others.
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April 15, 2010 9:44am
Pete George

Shared excitement and knowledge Brian? Sounds a bit socialist.

Why can’t the students with drive and ambition take all the excitement and knowledge? Maybe university staff need to attend re-education camps to squash any socialist inclinations.
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April 15, 2010 9:58am
Redbaiter

“That tars a lot of fine scholars with an undeservedly broad brush.”

No it does not. One only needs to read the speech and behaviourial codes that govern most university campuses (and that all staff subscribe to and jointly develop) to know just how politically corrupt the education system has become.

Let alone the content of so many courses.
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April 15, 2010 9:58am
Captain Neurotic

So…. back benches was intense last night – I love the ‘Robbie Burns’ (Emersons on tap) but a silly venue for the political interest.

Overly dominated by Greens and ’stop mining national parks’ petitions along with the friendly neighbourhood International Socialists campaigning for ‘$15 per hour minimum wage’ apparently the SAS are thugs… don’t get me started….

Labour did well to choose Claire Curren over (Pete “I’m a pirate” Hodgson) as she came across very well and respectful.

I was somewhat disgusted at the abuse thrown towards Heather Roy and the Mayor – As the ‘evil right wing’ did not show such contempt to the Labour/Green MP’s – but hey I guess taking the moral highground goes alongside paying high tax to fund the welfare system….

Disappointing also that the presenters only wanted to hear sob stories by useless students with shitty flats, alcohol/violence problems and huge student loans with no decent job prospects! A shame as there is a fuck load of decent students with decent land lords in Dunedin who don’t get the itch to damage private property when fucked on booze!

Quote of the night by some Labour supporter – “If you are only paying $60 a week rent and a $120 bond – why would you care about damaging the flat?” I dunno… maybe because I raised with principles and decency which morally prevent me from breaking other people’s shit and having respect for other’s investments?!

Also – I hope the ’save our services’ bunch are thoroughlly embarrased by their representative last night, the huge dyke President of the Polytech Student Union. She makes all of them look really bad…

How did it look on TV?
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April 15, 2010 10:03am
Pete George

Hey Captain – you looked fine on TV if you weren’t the Polytech person, and that rules out a few for your face. I take it you aren’t Bert the (ab)Norml guy either?

I watched it online when I got home – I couldn’t hear very well from where I was, a lot of politically involved people seem to like the sound of their own voices too much, I wish they had been polite enough to shut up while it was going.

I thought it was a reasonable show, a few too many political platitudes for my liking but it’s good to get a chance to hear some pollies in person. They agenda was orientated towards entertainment, shock/horror/joke sort of thing, but that’s how Back Benches tends to be.

And yeah, I don’t like the political cheer/jeer thing much either, I guess that’s just the nature of that sort of crowd.
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April 15, 2010 10:12am
Jack5

New topic…

A new wave of PC garbage is upon us. And it generates money for the perpetrators.

This is “bullying” in the workplace. It comes hot on the heels of the witchhunt for bullies in schools, which no doubt will further harass and victimise boys who the leftist, feminist-dominated education system already hounds and increasingly marginalises. Many schools are becoming like PC prisons for lively, normal boys.

In today’s MSM (links at bottom of this post) there are alarmist calls for action against “bullying in the workplace.

Tke this from one Hadyn Olsen, who runs an organisation from a web site and his cellphone that offers courses and publications to employers, including on bullying. His organisation is called Workplaces Against Violence in Employment, and uses its initiations as the acronym WAVE.

The NZ Herald today quotes him:

“Mr Olsen said he had dealt with many types of bullying, which include intimidation, behaviour that offends, makes fun, undermines or excludes.”

Wow – lauching at work to be censored!

and

“Mr Olsen [said]… many Kiwi employers failed to go through a management development course or programme…”

The Herald talks of “studies by his (Olsen’s) organisation”. The newspaper doesn’t elaborate on Olsen’s qualifications. However, the WAVE web site describes Olsen as: “Current extramural student of Organisational Psychology – Massey University”.

The Fairfax NZ report (Christchurch Press etc) quotes the NZ research leader, Professor Tim Bentley, as saying:

.. workplace bullying in New Zealand could be “a billion-dollar problem”.

Fortunately, David Lowe, of the Employers and Manufacturers Association, qualifies the Fairfax report with this:

If somebody had said to the person, `you’re not doing well enough, you need to do it better’, and told them that twice in one week, that might amount to bullying under this survey, but it is not bullying, it is simply running your business.

So, stand by for a new PC campaign. I wouldn’t be surprised if It’s Not Alright Russell Brown was recruited again to give us micro-sermons on TTVNZ.

Links to the MSM reports:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10638499&pnum=2

and

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/3583645/Kiwis-worst-in-the-world-for-bullying
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April 15, 2010 10:23am
hj

Riding Roughshod Over Our Right to the Foreshore and Seabed

David Round

11 April 2010
Righto, the proposal is that these customary interests would not affect public access, fishing, navigation, and existing use rights until the end of their term. But ~ the next thing to be very alarmed about ~ note carefully that these customary interests would be able to affect other things. You may read about these on pages 38 to 41. The holders of customary rights would be able to have input into such things as the allocation of space in the foreshore and seabed, and how coastal permits are granted.Local authorities would have to take the planning documents of coastal iwi and hapu into account when planning under the Resource Management Act. The Historic Places Trust, Department of Conservation and Ministry of Fisheries would have to take them into account.

It is easy to imagine that such a simple thing as the renewal of a whitebait stand (which requires a coastal permit under the RMA) could become involved in racial politics. If Maori have a customary interest, might they not insist that they should own all whitebait stands? One can imagine a hundred situations like this. On page 40 we read that ‘the coastal iwi/hapu would have the right to decide whether an activity requiring a coastal permit could be progressed by the consent authority’. So any Maori with customary title will essentially have a right of veto over innumerable things which might take place on the foreshore and seabed.

They ‘would not be obliged to comply with the requirements of the RMA when giving or declining permission for a coastal permit’. They ‘would have the right to…refuse to give…consent to conservation proposals and applications…’ they might well decide that in future they, with their customary rights, will be the sole users of foreshore and seabed in future. And even if they decide to let other people use the foreshore and seabed, there will, of course, be nothing to stop iwi from accepting a koha ~ a financial inducement ~ in helping them to reach a decision on the matter. You will have heard just in the last couple of days that Meridian Energy has donated money to a West coast iwi which, after initially opposing the proposed Mokihinui dam, changed its mind in the course of the hearing, and now supports the scheme. This is by no menas the first case where financial sweeteners have assisted Maori decision-making. Even blunter expressions than ‘financial inducement’ and ‘sweetener’ may spring to your mind. But this is the future being made possible by the present government. Thanks Chris. Developments may well continue on the foreshore and seabed ~ marine farming is quite profitable, I believe ~ but another opportunity will be given to the new landlord/rentier/parasite class to clip the ticket on each proposal.

http://www.nzcpr.com/
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April 15, 2010 10:25am
Jack5

Whoops, in my 10.23 post I meant to say “laughing” at work was to be censored. The typo “lauching” raises interesting possibilities.

Lauching – could it be making and firing paper planes. Or moving from ordinary food to greeny, healthy yuck at lunchtime?

By the way, Rosemary McLeod, whom I usually dislike as a pillar of the PC establishment, writes wisely today of middle New Zealanders being sandwiched between gouging law firms and vast legal aid for the criminal layer. Nice one Rosemary!
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April 15, 2010 10:31am
dime

in the space of 10 mins on ZB this morning, I heard to union leaders and the president of a student association complaining about govt policy.

national must be doing a few things right!
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April 15, 2010 10:38am
Brian Harmer

Red, I would really appreciate some examples of “the speech and behaviourial codes”. There are many policies and statutes here at Victoria University, but none that I have encountered that constrain or shape my freedom of speech or teaching. These policies are usually developed centrally, and although we have the opportunity to make submissions, few of us bother because, frankly they are often about such mind numbingly important topics as “dogs on campus” or “alcohol on campus”. I am unaware of any specific policy or other code that would arouse your ire.

My own course content is apolitical, not so much as a conscious and deliberate attempt to avoid it, but more because my subject matter rarely impinges on matters of political import.

Of course, I am who I am, but I would have to work quite hard to find a way to incorporate my somewhat centrist world view into the material I teach. It simply doesn’t arise.
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April 15, 2010 10:41am
cha

We’ve got KKs bullying post and Redbaiters post about the soldier who refuses to deploy so how about an interview with Michael Weinstein. founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
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April 15, 2010 10:44am
dime

from the herald:

New Zealand will contribute $685,000 to a Canadian-led non-proliferation project, Prime Minister John Key announced in Ottawa today.

The project was part of the G8 Global Partnership Against the Spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction

WTF
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April 15, 2010 11:34am
Ryan Sproull

For something fairly amazing, check out the sky before Katrina struck.
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April 15, 2010 11:52am
krazykiwi

Wow – great images
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April 15, 2010 12:04pm
philu

“..If Bill (watch me clean) English..”

his name is actually bill..’i do under the rim!’ .. english..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 12:46pm
krazykiwi

A report from Donna Laframboise of Toronto and a team of citizen auditors. The mission? Determine how much of AR4 met IPCC’s own standards for peer review by reviewing every reference in the report to determine if it comes from peer reviewed literature, grey literature, or if they “simply made stuff up”, like glacier melt dates.

Climate Bible Gets 21 ‘F’s on Report Card

21 of 44 chapters in the United Nations’ Nobel-winning climate bible earned an F on a report card we are releasing today. Forty citizen auditors from 12 countries examined 18,531 sources cited in the report – finding 5,587 to be not peer-reviewed.

Contrary to statements by the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the celebrated 2007 report does not rely solely on research published in reputable scientific journals. It also cites press releases, newspaper and magazine clippings, working papers, student theses, discussion papers, and literature published by green advocacy groups. Such material is often called “grey literature.”

We’ve been told this report is the gold standard. We’ve been told it’s 100 percent peer-reviewed science. But thousands of sources cited by this report have not come within a mile of a scientific journal.

Based on the grading system used in US schools, 21 chapters in the IPCC report receive an F (they cite peer-reviewed sources less than 60% of the time), 4 chapters get a D, and 6 get a C. There are also 5 Bs and 8 As.

In November, IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri disparaged non-peer-reviewed research in an interview with the Times of India.

Are we’re getting an ETS why exactly?
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April 15, 2010 1:16pm
krazykiwi

Here’s a report from Donna Laframboise of Toronto and a team of citizen auditors. The mission? Determine how much of AR4 met IPCC’s own standards for peer review by reviewing every reference in the report to determine if it comes from peer reviewed literature, grey literature, or if they “simply made stuff up”, like glacier melt dates.

Intro:-

Climate Bible Gets 21 ‘F’s on Report Card

21 of 44 chapters in the United Nations’ Nobel-winning climate bible earned an F on a report card we are releasing today. Forty citizen auditors from 12 countries examined 18,531 sources cited in the report – finding 5,587 to be not peer-reviewed.

IPCC reports should be filed in libraries under fantasy, or fiction at least. And our new eco-conscience tax (aka ETS) is based on this rubbish?!? Pfffft.
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April 15, 2010 1:39pm
malcolm

An interesting dilemma for some:

“Babies With Three Parents May Be Key To Preventing Genetic Disorders”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/genetics/article7097547.ece
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April 15, 2010 2:03pm
Chthoniid

SMC has some commentary on that article Malcolm- http://bit.ly/dhvH3O

It looks very promising, noting that the 3rd parent only contributes independent mtDNA & nothing to the nuclear DNA.
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April 15, 2010 2:46pm
philu

y’know..!..you could believe the denialist bullshit of the likes of krazykiwi..(indeed..!..)

or you could read the results of the second inquiry into ‘climategate’..the second to ‘clear’ the scientists accused..

“..Lord Oxburgh, former chair of the House of Lords science and technology select committee, cleared the scientists of malpractice.

The climate scientists at the centre of a media storm over emails released on the internet were disorganised ..

.. but did not fudge their results, an independent inquiry into the affair reported today.

The inquiry, the second of three set up in the wake of the controversy, found “absolutely no evidence of any impropriety whatsoever”, according to Lord Oxburgh, who led the investigation..”

(got that..?..)

“..Instead, Oxburgh said, many of the criticisms and assertions of scientific misconduct were likely made by people ..

..”who do not like the implications of some the conclusions” reached by the climate experts..”

(that’d be the likes of you..eh..?..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/second-inquiry-clears-accused-climategate-scientists/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 3:02pm
malcolm

Cheers Chthoniid.
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April 15, 2010 3:07pm
krazykiwi

phil – feel free to point out why it’s ok to have the supposed gold standard of climate science documents based on 5,587 non-peer reviewed, ‘grey literature’ documents including student thesis, lobbyist blog posts, newspaper clippings etc. But hey, if you’re happy for Gore and his acolytes to get indescribably rich at the expense of others starving, then who am I to deny you your little streak of barbarism.
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April 15, 2010 3:19pm
Inventory2

Hey Phil – is it true that long-term cannabis use makes people unmotivated?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/04/we-wish-him-well.html

Just askin’ ..
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April 15, 2010 3:34pm
philu

um..!..dunno..!..don’t care..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 3:55pm
Inventory2

Phil U said

um..!..dunno..!..don’t care..!

Ah; ignorant and apathetic as well, eh 😉
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April 15, 2010 4:00pm
philu

rises to the bait like a ravenous guppy..

..that inventory 2..eh..?

(i think he/she is hardwired to be ‘bettered’ tho’..eh..?

i mean..he/she didn’t call itself inventory 1 now..did it..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 4:13pm
Ryan Sproull

Another interesting thing today:

US Census race questions through the ages: http://racebox.org/
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April 15, 2010 4:31pm
Yvette

Philu – “i mean..he/she didn’t call itself inventory 1 now..did it..?)”
Read their blog – Inventory2 is a plural
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April 15, 2010 4:44pm
philu

and how about that doug graham..?..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 5:03pm
philu

is it a hydra..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 5:05pm
Pauleastbay

For one of the best articles you will read on our appalling news coverage in New Zeaalnd by so called journalists, read Charlotte Grimshaws column in the April Metro magazine…..she absolutely nails it, nodding heads, nodding heads…..
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April 15, 2010 5:09pm
philu

and i can’t go and read its’ blog/mewlings..

..i don’t have any eye-condoms..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 5:13pm
Inventory2

lol Phil – not bad, for you! We avoid whoar.co.nz, because we don’t want to risk passive exposure to PCP fumes and cannabis smoke.

But we only asked because of the judge’s comment to the former Mob guy yesterday. We really thought that as a dope-smoker of some duration, you’d have an opinion. I guess you proved Judge Raoul Neave correct.
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April 15, 2010 5:23pm
starboard

and how about that doug graham..?..eh..?

exactly…” Sir ” Doug Graham…I bet his freckle is puckering big time…
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April 15, 2010 5:26pm
Yvette

“A Bay of Plenty man has been jailed for 16 months after pleading guilty to his 21st drink-driving charge.”

– and drink driving is not one of the crimes under three strikes and you’re out?
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April 15, 2010 5:43pm
Viking2

So we are borrowing a cool 250 mil a week for Shonkey to give it away to nefarious causes just like Helens mob.

http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=788000
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April 15, 2010 5:44pm
Steve

Fuck, Whore is stoned again at this early time. He does not care because he has no motivation to care.
Paula phone today Phool?

Quardle Oodle Ardle Waddle Doodle.

phool(whore.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 6:00pm
edhunter

as an occassional toker it fucks me off to be labelled with phil, but at least phil hasn’t been done for his 21st drink drive offence, wft is that about? only 16 months talk about a wet bus ticket
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April 15, 2010 6:37pm
Luc Hansen

Interesting statistic I saw the other day – 2000 refugee/asylum seekers on Christmas Island requiring 800 direct staff to look after them. Add to that probably another 200, at least, based on the mainland, and it’s easy to get to a ratio of one staff to two inmates.

Ignoring the cost of operating the facilities, why not just take those salaries, estimated for say five years, and let the refugees free, with work permits, and one years saved salary as a starter and the remaining four years upon completion of five years trouble free residence, complete with citizenship.

Alternatively, offer them the whole five years worth in a lump sum if they return home,

Win-win all round, surely!
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April 15, 2010 6:50pm
reid

“is it true that long-term cannabis use makes people unmotivated?”

Apparently it is true, Inventory2.

Southpark said, factually:

“Marijuana makes it OK to do nothing…”

Mmmm-k?

Sadly, truly sadly, it also hides that fact from the user.

My advice phil, try abstinence for six months.
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April 15, 2010 7:05pm
krazykiwi

Brilliant Luc. Tell you what: Let’s calculate the cost of paying off these would-be asylum seekers on the basis of 2000 people, and then you could contract to look after the whole issue for the Aussies. Think of the social justice nirvana possibilities!

Of course once the lump sum carrying repatriated folks got word around ‘back home’ (“Free money in Australia!!”), the 2000 would be replaced a by flotilla of 200,000 friends, family et al, and you’d need to stretch your contract fee across them all. And the 200,000 would certainly include the original 2000 back for a second installment.

Still, you’ll think of something ‘equitable’ I’m sure. Keep us posted.
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April 15, 2010 7:07pm
MT_Tinman

Better still Luc, why not just let the boats sink?
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April 15, 2010 7:29pm
philu

stop drinking alcohol..reid..

..it’s killing yr brain cells..

..and that steve really is a one-riff-pony..eh..?

he has never said anything different..

..maybe he thinks he is clever/funny..?

..go figure..!..eh..?

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April 15, 2010 7:34pm
Fletch

If they’re going to raise the driving age, why not put it up to 18? Or at least 17. What use is it to put it up by only a year? If you’re going to do something, do it properly, otherwise it’s just seen as a gesture – ‘look, we’re doing something’.
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April 15, 2010 7:35pm
philu

and you don’t read whoar ‘cos you are scared of the demolishing of yr twisted/greedy ideologies that goes on there..

..and ‘cos viable/realistic alternatives to yr dinosaur/world-destroying beliefs are on open show..

..(driven as you/yr ideology are..by ‘fear’..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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April 15, 2010 7:41pm
krazykiwi

Fletch, I don’t think any change will make any difference. I recall reading somewhere that the some driving-critical capabilities in adolescent brain aren’t properly developed until after age 20. A change from 15 to 16 (or 18) is just window dressing, so perfectly suited to the current government.
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April 15, 2010 7:57pm
Tauhei Notts

Luc Hansen’s piece at 6.50 p.m. was good news to me.
I thought that only our N.Z. government could be that bad at wasting taxpayers’ dollars. But, no, as Luc explains, the Aussies will give our pollies a bloody good run with their taxpayers’ dollars.
800 highly paid public servants to look after 2000 bludgers!
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April 15, 2010 7:57pm
Chthoniid

Aah Phool, the hopluting does discomdrulate you. Clearly you are shibulous in the zeloculogical. Are you ingumentilly unable to grokulate?
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April 15, 2010 8:20pm
philu

fluke arf..!..eh..?

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April 15, 2010 8:26pm
Redbaiter

” Red, I would really appreciate some examples of “the speech and behaviourial codes”. There are many policies and statutes here at Victoria University, but none that I have encountered that constrain or shape my freedom of speech or teaching.”

Constraining YOUR speech isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the political correctness that is rife on all NZ universities- the vile racism and sexism that masquerades as a new and improved moral code wherein saying the TOW is not a partnership or the founding document of NZ, or that woman shouldn’t be in the front line of Police work, or that abortion is not solely a woman’s choice, or Maoris and or Pacific Islanders shouldn’t receive special treatment, or worst of all, committing the capital offense of OFFENDING somebody, are all sins that will bring judgment down upon you worse than if you’d committed a hit and run on a crippled and blind dwarf.

All designed to shape student thinking in a way that reeks of soft tyranny and ideological totalitarianism.

As for yourself, I remember reading your newscasts of long ago, and being exasperated by their obvious leftist slant. Don’t try and pass yourself off as a “centrist”. Never have been and probably never will be. You’re hard left. I’ll grant you the grace of perhaps not knowing it.

As for Vic University itself, one only has to browse New Zeal to notice how much extreme left rubbish comes out of that sordid place, including many of the most extreme left politicians in the country, flag burning on Anzac day and other repugnant antics of the Stalinist VUWSA. Maybe Mr. Harmer you just cannot see the forest for the trees.
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April 16, 2010 1:01am
BR

It is no secret that the university student unions are highly politicised and overwhelmingly socialist, and some of them are run by disreputable crooks.

December 1999 – Brendan McQuillan, president of Nelson Polytechnic Student Association, admitted stealing $8,004. November 2003 – Florence bailey, office manager of Massey Students Association, jailed for two years and three months after stealing $203,000. November 2005 – Victoria University Maori Student Association treasurer Wi Nepia jailed for stealing $161,000. 2005 – Otago University’s Te Roopu Maori, the Maori students’ association collapsed amid allegations of financial impropriety. Estimated fraud $21,000. April 2007 – Clelia Opie, officer of Victoria University Students’ Association, spends $6,000 on phone calls.’

There was a vote taken by the student’s union at one of the universities (Victoria I think) to decide whether union membership would be compulsory or voluntary. The result came out in favour of voluntary membership. The response of the Student’s Union president, Jasmine Freemantle, was to reach for her lawyer.

Bill.
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April 16, 2010 6:39am
Viking2

When Italy’s Lombardy region pitted private hospitals against public ones, the quality of care rose dramatically – from the Wall St Journal:

Quote:
Competitive Care
By MARGHERITA STANCATI

MILAN—When California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger dropped in on Italy’s fashion capital late last year, his focus wasn’t just the city’s designer shops. He was also intensely interested in the state-of-the-art local health system.

Journal Report
Read the full Health Care report .

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=936&sid=fae91f20d4c76ace95549d7fd9029fc9&p=29616#p29616
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April 16, 2010 7:09am
Luc Hansen

Krazykiwi

Many studies show, and DPF adheres to this view as well, that immigrants, whether through the usual channels or refugee/asylum seekers, are an economic plus for the country (let’s assume the same applies in Australia), so, on economic grounds, we should be welcoming them with open arms.

On a right wing blog, I expected support for my argument in favour of economic efficiency. Moral hazard is not writ large within the extremis right – the dollar is king!

tauhei notts – you should, as I have done, talk to some and find out the travails they went through to get here – they are the ones who survived – and what they left behind. There is nothing bludging about boat people who have paid their way and then some to get here.

MY Tinman – you are not alone on this site in freely advocating mass murder, I assure you. I take it you are Christian?
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April 16, 2010 7:33am
Luc Hansen

Anyone listening to the British election “debate”? BBC Radio 4 live broadcast.
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