General Debate 5 March 2010

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Luc Hansen

What took you so long?

You kept me up!
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March 5, 2010 9:36am
Luc Hansen

And I apologise for the repost from GB yesterday:

Redbaiter has been in form lately, I see. Take a look at this beauty:

If you’re talking about an overnight change, then that is much more simple. You burn down every fucking government school, fire every fucking government teacher, and start all over again.

Hmmm, burn down government buildings. Imagine if RB was Muslim. Certainly in the US, which he appears to revere, he would be locked up by now, in solitary confinement, probably never to see the outside of a prison again.

Or imagine if I said “Burn down every synagogue”? Unlike most here, I can be traced. I would imagine it wouldn’t take long.

But if I said “Burn down every mosque,” I would suggest no problems would result.

Personally, bearing in mind that in Europe some boys have been jailed for just fantasising about terrorist activities, I think the cops should be onto RB, because, well, you know, one law for all!
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March 5, 2010 9:40am
MikeNZ

Hey just for you LUC

1. The west bank has been jewish for thousands of years
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/03/israel-riots-heritage-sites
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/peace%20process/guide%20to%20the%20peace%20process/hebron%20-%20background
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022202340.html

Israel is going to have to fight another war, will it be disproportionate?
Against or for Israel?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3856875,00.html
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/fanning-the-winds-of-war-85937712.html
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March 5, 2010 9:49am
Auberon

I’d rather give my money to Peter Urlich than Peter Hujlich.
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March 5, 2010 9:50am
Redbaiter

Good article from Michelle Malkin asking does the GOP have enough balls to confront the left. Its doesn’t of course, but this question can also be asked of NZ’s National Party. It doesn’t either. In fact I doubt it even possesses an empty scrotum.

Time after time our elected representatives on the so called right have failed us by caving in to and failing to resist the left. How long will we keep supporting such a bunch of weal gutless ideologically bereft compromisers, losers and cowards??

Isn’t it time we got angry and told them NO MORE??

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/04/question-of-the-day-does-the-gop-have-enough-balls/
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March 5, 2010 9:50am
Bok2

Ah Luc talking shit again.

Look I am not a Redbaiter fan. He is amusing but an extremist.
However, I suggest that even a 2 year old would have known that Red was speaking figuratively.

But then Luc cannot help but talk BS. Not smart enough for anything else.
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March 5, 2010 9:53am
Inventory2

Just saw Labour’s Big Red Bus, and it goes very fast!!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/03/faster-than-speeding-tax-bus.html
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March 5, 2010 9:56am
MikeNZ

We did that Red twice and both times it was 80% of us who did it.
They didn’t listen, they disparaged us, then they fcked us over and made us all criminals if we give our kids a samck if they need it.

Worse still they are still sitting on their hands as kids get killed and abused.
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March 5, 2010 10:00am
Luc Hansen

MikeNZ

The West Bank Jewish for thousands of years? Sure, as a minority, but Ashkenazi Jewish? I don’t think so. But I certainly agree that Judaism has been present in Palestine for a long time. Of course, Judaism did not arise in Palestine. Palestine, for the early adherents to Judaism, was the promised land, not to be sighted until after the arrival of the Messiah.

I am not against Israel. But any war Israel fights today in the ME is, by definition, disproportionate in terms of military might. This fact makes another major attack inevitable. It keeps Israelis voting for war, guaranteed vote winner.

Israel just needs, eventually, to act morally, recognise the rights of indigenous Palestinians, and smoke the peace pipe.
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March 5, 2010 10:01am
Luc Hansen

Bok2

Tell that to all the Arab Muslims jailed in the US for being, well, Arab Muslims. About 4000, last I saw.
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March 5, 2010 10:03am
Redbaiter

” I think the cops should be onto RB, because, well, you know, one law for all!”

No you don’t you snivelling coward and creep. You think the cops should be on to RB because he says things you think should not be said. He exposes liars and charlatans like you. He awakens readers to the frauds of the left.

You don’t want Redbaiter arrested for any reason other than that which Joseph Stalin had people arrested and dragged off to the gulags, and that is that by speaking out, they threatened his hold on power.

..and those people were often dragged off from their families and friends because of the false allegations of some toadying sycophantic and cowardly liar seeking the favour of the Stalinists, who held power then just as Luc Hansen’s political allies hold power today, by deceit and deception and intimidating their opponents.

The actual truth that you’re too stupid to see is that I was suggesting this path of action as a government policy. Not as an unlawful act of rebellion.

Just think how much more information could be passed about on these forums if people were not constantly distracted by having to deal with the crippled comprehension skills of low IQ religious leftists like Luc Hansen etc.

Stalin couldn’t hold the truth back even with all of his killing and his armies and his legions of sycophants, and neither will you Mr. Hansen, even with your much more sophisticated methods, your totalitarian objectives will never be achieved. We’re after you, and we will defeat you. Learn to live with it scumbag.
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March 5, 2010 10:04am
Manolo

“Its doesn’t of course, but this question can also be asked of NZ’s National Party.”

The National Party was emasculated by Jim Bolger and has maintained its steady decline since. They are a timid bunch of appeasers and political chameleons that in pursue of easy votes prefer to go with the flow.

As it stands today, the National Party will never make the necessary structural changes to our economic and welfare system for fear of electoral backlash. Ruth Richardson was probably the last MP (and Minister) with the willpower and mettle to undertake those reforms.

People like English and empty-suit Key are completely bereft of ideas, but never short of sycophants.
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March 5, 2010 10:13am
Redbaiter

” He is amusing but an extremist.”

A false allegation. The kind Progressives are always so fond of making. Just because someone might reject the social liberalism that you are so fond of Bok does not make them an extremist.

One day you will awake to the fact that you are the people who have given the left their bridgehead to power, when you oppose them only on economic grounds but blindly give them a pass on all of the social policies that are designed not to afford personal freedoms (as you so mistakenly believe) but to entrench themselves in the halls of political power.

I repeat. Painting their opponents as extremists is one of the Progressive’s favourite deceits.
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March 5, 2010 10:13am
Pete George

even with your much more sophisticated methods

Luc? Ok, maybe Stalin had more of a blunt approach. Like you, except he didn’t just talk about it.
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March 5, 2010 10:16am
Redbaiter

Poor Pete, still reeling from the realisiation that there are views on issues (Bunning’s lone stand for example) outside the hopelessly left wing perspective of disgusting Progressive rags like the Washington Post.
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March 5, 2010 10:23am
Pete George

Haha Red, I also quoted Fox on Bunning, are they as disgusting as WAPO?

I regularly read or watch twenty or more media sources, and unlike Palin I can actually name them.
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March 5, 2010 10:40am
Redbaiter

” I also quoted Fox on Bunning, are they as disgusting as WAPO? ”

No, because FOX always give two political dimensions not one. Its why you hate them so extremely.
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March 5, 2010 10:46am
side show bob

I see the Liarbore bus made the local rag. What is it with socialists and bus trips, do they feel the common peasants actually miss them?. I do hope they have the appropriate liquor licenses.
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March 5, 2010 10:55am
Tassman

Men Suicide!
2007 Health Ministry stats on suicide shows 3 of 4 persons who kill themselves are men. There are no disclosed details but I suspect complex issues involved. Still, the trend hasn’t changed for men, the downward spiral lingers on…

There are three types of men that I can think of just now; they are characterized by a distinguished social behaviour.

1. Men who go fishing, play rugby, fix the car and mow the lawns. I term this type, ‘real men’.
2. Those men who have moved over from the above to participate in women’s issues and have become the front men of PC protagonists, imparting on condescending put downs of their own gender.
3. Obviously, the ones who are men in body but not in mind.

Type 1 species is the whole real man as cool as they come. He makes mistakes but healthy and gets on in life. Good on ya man!
Type 2 species hides behind the feminist movement for personal advantages including sex.
Type 3 species is probably more comfortable with women and Type 2 than with Type 1.

Behind the media propaganda of political and personal agenda, Type 1 species is most at risk mentally. He is the subject of Type 2 and Type 3 antagonists, he needs his mates but their rights and resources have become scarce, are likely to be driven to isolation.

Type 2 species is everywhere and would say exactly what’s needed to be heard for his own personal agenda. Watch out for this modern man!

Type 3 species is a complex one, and would attack type one because of his own insecurity and fears. The most vulnerable in society, seeks approval and acceptance in various groups.

The Health Ministry statistics might be overrepresented of Type 3 species, followed by Type 1 species. That turns Darwin on his head for Type 3 species is a slime who is only out there for his own end. That means, survival is not necessarily based on strength or doing the right thing, but how you can get away with crime. And this is exactly true of the modern environment, the economy, the market, policies, social political everything.

Now if Type 1 species is encouraged to be a stay at home father, young men will grow up to be practical, strong, and who knows the All Blacks might recover.

Obviously this is a rough hypothesis. There are two important factors within their social standings that are not mentioned in here but may strongly influence the final decision to suicide. If I am funded to do this research, the hypothesis might provide a useful guide to policy makers. At the same time under a socialist economic system it might also provide a device to promote ethnic cleansing…
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March 5, 2010 10:59am
Pete George

No, because FOX always give two political dimensions not one.

Yeah, reasonable and crackpot.

Its why you hate them so extremely.

Strange you think that (but maybe you don’t think it, you just like saying extreme crap).

I watch Fox more than any other US source, and read them more than most. One of their dimensions can be good, the other is plain crackers. Same as for you, it’s hard to hate comedy.
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March 5, 2010 11:08am
Fletch

Israel just needs, eventually, to act morally, recognise the rights of indigenous Palestinians, and smoke the peace pipe.

What indigenous palestinians? There is no such place. Before 1948 the whole region was known as Palestine – even the Jews were referred to as such.

In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: “The ‘Palestinian people’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel.”

That’s what it’s all about. Hate. Hate towards Israel. They don’t care about a Palestinian ‘state’.

As for smoking the ‘peace pipe’, isn’t that what Israel did when they removed all their citizens from Gaza and gave it away?
And what happened? As the Israeli Prime Minister said in the speech to the UN recently –

For eight long years, Hamas fired from Gaza thousands of missiles, mortars and rockets on nearby Israeli cities. Year after year, as these missiles were deliberately hurled at our civilians, not a single UN resolution was passed condemning those criminal attacks. We heard nothing ? absolutely nothing ? from the UN Human Rights Council, a misnamed institution if there ever was one.

In 2005, hoping to advance peace, Israel unilaterally withdrew from every inch of Gaza. It dismantled 21 settlements and uprooted over 8,000 Israelis. We didn’t get peace. Instead we got an Iranian backed terror base fifty miles from Tel Aviv. Life in Israeli towns and cities next to Gaza became a nightmare. You see, the Hamas rocket attacks not only continued, they increased tenfold. Again, the UN was silent.

Finally, after eight years of this unremitting assault, Israel was finally forced to respond.

It takes two to smoke the “peace pipe”. Israel had it’s smoke, and ‘Palestine’ pretends to but refuses to inhale.
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March 5, 2010 11:13am
RightNow

Hilarious morning chuckle:
A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear.. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease.

‘Would you mind telling me, Doctor,’ she asked, ‘how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?’

‘Nothing is easier,’ he replied. ‘You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.’

‘What sort of question?’ asked Pelosi.

Well, you might ask, ‘Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?”

(I’m not vouching for the veracity of this story, but it did make me laugh)

Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, ‘You wouldn’t happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don’t know much about history.’
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March 5, 2010 11:24am
Whafe

Luc – From what I gather, you never answered my question as to whether or not you had family or close friends in Israel, in the army in Israel etc?

You seem to know everything there is to know about that area. Just how many times have you visited Israel?
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March 5, 2010 11:43am
Pete George

Funny joke, yes. But authentic, obviously no, print versions have been noted from 1962. It has commonly been a blonde joke.
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March 5, 2010 11:46am
MikeNZ

Fletch
thank you putting the real truth.
LUC doesn’t want to know as he wants the removal of Israel so that the Jews have no country to call their own.

Tassman
I think the no 2, 3 you quote are in more need of help as they are not acting to type, if they are having nothing to do with their no1 side.
rather they might be considered mentally ill.

you know like those 18,000 woman who apply for abortions each year as they can’t take the mental strain of a normal human experience like carrying and delivering a child.
Thinking about it, in some way they are lawbreakers too.
They are thieving us our future.
Our future taxpayers to help with the burden.
Our future scientists and entrepreneurs to develop the country.
Future citizens to police, medicate and serve us.

and here we are in the papers castigating an MP for suggesting we talk about sterilising those who kill and maim our children.
Why aren’t these women under psychological watch for this?
it should be notifiable surely?
why don’t we serve these obviously sick women with a notice that the next time they have an abortion they will be sterilised as they clearly aren’t fit for motherhood if they can’t carry a baby to term?
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March 5, 2010 11:58am
MikeNZ

whafe
I know a hellva lot about Israel and it’s forces and I’ve never been there.
does that mean I can’t have a voice?

Next time we go to UK we are planning to go to Jerusalem.
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March 5, 2010 11:59am
Pete George

This was bound to come up.

Family of Madeleine lookalike have right to privacy, police say

Acting Southern District Commander Inspector Dave Campbell said last night a child identified by a former Warehouse checkout operator in South Dunedin was not Madeleine, and asked that media stop running an image of the family group she was seen with.

“We ask that media outlets remove the image portraying the child and family from their coverage including websites to protect the privacy of the family,” Mr Campbell said.

The girl in the image had been positively identified as not Madeleine.

This was always going to be yet another false sighting, but rather than stop and think the media launched again into another onslaught without any thought of how it would affect the girl and her family in the photo.
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March 5, 2010 12:05pm
Bok2

Just some light reading for Luc, Toad and Keith Locke. You have great heroes.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/luxury-cars-silk-carpets-and-goldplated-handguns-north-korean-defector-tells-of-leaders-largesse-while-people-forced-to-eat-tree-bark-20100305-pm5f.html
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March 5, 2010 12:44pm
freethinker

Mike NZ
Interesting fact there, does this mean that over the last 10 years or so 180,000 women have become mentally deranged? Could explain a lot of the PC problems in NZ!
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March 5, 2010 12:53pm
bearhunter

MIke NZ: Interesting argument. On the one hand you accuse women who have an abortion of stealing from our future and then turn around and recommend sterilisation for them. Is this not also denying us “Our future taxpayers to help with the burden. Our future scientists and entrepreneurs to develop the country. Future citizens to police, medicate and serve us..”?
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March 5, 2010 12:59pm
dad4justice

Wonder how many forced male clients in the civil femily court use the double barrel mouthwash this year Mr Health Minister you pathetic wimpish girlyman pc feminist controlled wanker? You make me sick National!
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March 5, 2010 1:10pm
dad4justice

New Zealand the land of cow milk and male suicide. Well done you feminist vipers and girlymen poofters! Who cares eh John Boy – you pc wimpish let down! Must go as another shafted dad wants to take suicide road after the femily court done him over!
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March 5, 2010 1:14pm
pentwig

d4j

Calm down bud.

Change takes time.

22 months is nowhere near enough time to effect change.
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March 5, 2010 1:26pm
dad4justice

Don’t tell me to calm down fruitloop. How many good dads you know who blasted their heads off after dealings with the feminazi run femily court? So closing Mensline is a good start. John Key and National are a fucking disgrace to all kiwi men. I will really get into them wimps now!
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March 5, 2010 1:28pm
Whafe

MikeNZ – Not saying that at all, it is enlightening going there becuase you see another perspective, Along with Luc feeding his knowledge of some lefty media BS….. There is always 2 sides to a story……

You will really enjoy visiting Israel.
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March 5, 2010 1:31pm
virtualmark

Luc, a question for you … what’s your view on Jordan?

(I mean Jordan the country, not Jordan the glamour model with the big knockers).
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March 5, 2010 1:32pm
dad4justice

“Change takes time.”

What century will New Zealand be free of the insidious pc feminist ideology that has created so much havoc for real men?
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March 5, 2010 1:36pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Woo hoo – D4J is frothing at the mouth again. These rants are always amusing.

What’s a girly-man pofter Dad?
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March 5, 2010 1:50pm
side show bob

Well I’m doing my man thing, I’m off to the bloody pub, dry as a Arab’s fart, to hot for further work.
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March 5, 2010 1:55pm
Luc Hansen

@ Fletch 11.13am

What indigenous palestinians? There is no such place. Before 1948 the whole region was known as Palestine – even the Jews were referred to as such.

I don’t suppose you understand the contradiction inherent in your statement. According to you, there was a Palestine but not Palestinians.

I list a pretty comprehensive reading list on my blog (I wasn’t around in 1948, it’s true, just as I wasn’t around for 99.9% of human history – does that mean I can’t have an opinion on whether Neanderthals became extinct or were exterminated by humans?) which will illuminate you. I generally use Israeli sources, by the way.

And your Israeli version of peace for Gaza misses the truth. Sharon gave up on colonising Gaza, preferring to concentrate on the West Bank – and it has been a successful strategy for Israel as they have now colonised most of the West Bank, forcing Palestinians into smaller and smaller bantustans. In practical terms, however, Israel remains the occupier of Gaza, which is recognised as just an open air prison – we are not allowed to say concentration camp, but I say if the cap fits…

It’s a myth promoted by Israel that Palestinians ignore peace overtures. The reverse is the truth. But they will not sign away even more than 78% of historic Palestine, or give up the right of return or compensation.

Mike NZ

LUC doesn’t want to know as he wants the removal of Israel so that the Jews have no country to call their own.

I fail to see how one can remove a country. Pick up the dirt and transport it? Jews can have their own country, no skin off my nose, but not at the expense of another. Palestinians had nothing to do with the pogroms and the holocaust of Europeans. History shows that indigenous people, if they survive colonisation and don’t get wiped out or swamped, eventually regain their lands. It’s just a matter of time. What the non-Arabs of Israel do then is up to them.

It’s typical of imperialists to diminish the people they have conquered. it justifies the consequences of their often genocidal actions. In fact, there have been humans in the Fertile Crescent since as far back as 7-8000BCE (Asiatics/Bedouins) and many modern Palestinians can trace their lineage back to Roman times.

They were not monocultural, as were, for example, Australia’s isolated indigenous people, as they were on the trail well trodden by various empires over the ages, but the people nevertheless have a distinct heritage and identity. Naturally, it is in the interests of the interlopers, the European Jews, to deny that heritage. Archaeological evidence puts the lie to that tactic.

Also, many nationalist Arabs only see an all-encompassing Arab identity, which is a valid view, but ignores the reality of communities with a history dating back millenia.

Post WWI, Palestinians first preference was to be part of a united Arab state. Failing that, part of Syria – Palestine was Southern Syria for a very long time. When the Allies blocked that as well, they had no option but to develop their own sense of nationhood, just as, say, people of Northland, or Waikato or canterbury would do under similar circumstances.

No-one is denying the historical presence, small though it was, of Jews in Palestine – or in many other lands of the Middle East. But the fact is that it is most likely that Judaism spread to Palestine, not from it. Certainly, the biblical stories of the exodus or the expulsion are recognised as historical fiction, myths, which have been misappropriated by European Jews to justify their colonial adventure.

Bok2 – always an unpleasant read, but what do you think Israel is forcing the people of Gaza to do right now? Yes, that’s right, build mud brick houses because they have the temerity to oppose dispossession, occupation and oppression.
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March 5, 2010 1:57pm
KiwiGreg

“No-one is denying the historical presence, small though it was, of Jews in Palestine”

LOL it took 12 legions to crush the rebellion in the first century. That’s more than a “small presence” revisionist boy.
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March 5, 2010 2:10pm
Murray

Luc is prepared to acknowledge the existance of Jews in the holy land for some time. Well I’m sure the Knesset, the people of Israel and the IDF give a crap Luc and thank you for your support.
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March 5, 2010 2:11pm
lofty

Stuff headline today….”50 ships trapped in Baltic Sea ice”

mmmmmmm bloody interesting isnt it?
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March 5, 2010 2:24pm
kowtow

Luc is a typical leftie looser. He’s angry that the guys he hates are winners.

His language is typical victimised shite…….colonisation
pogroms
bantustans
occupier
open air prison
imperialists
indigenous
genocidal.
Funny, two items of news feature his mates today. Turks not happy being called genocidal by the Yanks,(for killing Armenians) and RNZ had a slot on the liberal rulers of Hamastan, the further Islamisation of Gaza,men can’t work in the many hair salons and tailors’ dummies can’t wear knickers anymore( they might remove an arm as punishment)men also have to be more modestly attired going to the beach. And thats another point about the worlds largest prison or concentration camp as Luc would call it, hair salons ,tailors ,beach outings …..doesn’t sound like much of a prison to me!
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March 5, 2010 2:56pm
Tassman

Hey D4J, stats released by Mr. Key and his male mate Nigel Latta or something on their controlled of the Anti Smacking law reveals some 30 cases and very few who were convicted. But while all of them are given warnings, I’m sure their names remain in CYFS and Police records. It is also accessible to employers, doctors, lawyers, and the Feminist networks…

Anyway, love to join ya on a men march for awareness of real men issues like drinking beer with the mates, fishing, and cricket in the backyard.

Do you reckon there should be a ministry for real men’s affairs?
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March 5, 2010 3:17pm
MikeNZ

I fail to see how one can remove a country. Pick up the dirt and transport it? Jews can have their own country, no skin off my nose, but not at the expense of another. Palestinians had nothing to do with the pogroms and the holocaust of Europeans. History shows that indigenous people, if they survive colonisation and don’t get wiped out or swamped, eventually regain their lands. It’s just a matter of time. What the non-Arabs of Israel do then is up to them.

LUC you’re such a tosser.
400yrs up to the state of Israel being formed the Ottoman (islamic genociders) owned it.
Did they give a fig for it? Did they give a fig for the locals?

But not at the expense of another?

Well when are we going to see you chained to the railings outside the Jordan, Chinese,Syrian,Iraqui embassies then for starters?
You hate the Jews and you want their country to not exist but you don’t have the balls or moral fortitude to actually admit that.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/peace%20process/guide%20to%20the%20peace%20process/hebron%20-%20background
The Book of Genesis relates that Abraham purchased the field where the Tomb of the Patriarchs is located as a burial place for his wife Sarah. According to Jewish tradition, the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Matriarchs Sarah, Rebecca, and Leah are buried in the Tomb.
The Jews were called the Palestinians by the British as that was their local name before 1948.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/peace%20process/guide%20to%20the%20peace%20process/hebron%20-%20background

Purchased the field for his wife’s grave? when?
I wouldn’t mind debating with you but for your total lack of integrity.
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March 5, 2010 3:24pm
Jack5

New morsel…

The 2.4 hectare hole and a half:

David Henderson, the besieged southern property developer, had about 50,000 truckloads of soil removed to create his underground car-park hole at Frankton, Queenstown, says the Mountain Scene newspaper’s web site. Now the new owner is going to put earth back in to fill up at least half of it.

http://www.scene.co.nz/hole-and-back/254138a1.page
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March 5, 2010 3:49pm
Luc Hansen

If I am so wrong, it’s interesting that I raise such ire! It’s pleasing to hit the spot.

Leaving aside all the personal attacks and predictable slurs, it’s actually you guys who show profound ignorance of history and an insistent intention to maintain that ignorance.

KiwiGreg and MikeNZ, please leave out the Biblical stories – they are exactly that, stories, composed after writing was invented in Mesopotamia. Abraham is fiction. If you think Genesis is scientific fact, then obviously sensible debate with you is rendered impossible. There was no great rebellion, no mass expulsion, probably no Jesus, either.

Of course the indigenous Jews were Palestinians, and the non and anti-Zionist immigrant Jews were not at odds with the locals. Let’s just stick to the modern facts of a bunch of invading Europeans dispossessing the indigenous people of the land.

All over the world, such colonisation has been and is being unwound, and/or reparations paid. One hold out, as usual, is the US. Indians? What 20 million Indians?

One day, also, Israel’s strategic value to the US will diminish, and it will have to settle with the Palestinians.

Now I am sure people are tired of this rehashing the same old, same old, so let’s give it a rest. I do have other interests.
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March 5, 2010 4:17pm
Luc Hansen

Interesting news on the wire: the progressive state of Utah is in the process of making it a criminal offense for a women to commit any act that results in a miscarriage, including allowing herself to be beaten up.

And the health insurers are making being a victim of domestic violence a pre-existing condition that enables them to deny any coverage at all.

Almost makes David Garrett seem balanced!
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March 5, 2010 4:27pm
MikeNZ

http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/melaniephillips/5817896/the-verbal-pogrom.thtml
http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/03/lets-have-a-real-apartheid-education-week.php

LUC
the above stories clearly detail what you and your fellow travelers do.
you have no integrity.
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March 5, 2010 4:36pm
Whafe

Luv H – You are a raving leftest lunatic…..

Can you answer the question, have you visited Israel?
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March 5, 2010 5:24pm
Banana Llama

“All over the world, such colonization has been and is being unwound, and/or reparations paid”

I wouldn’t worry about what Europe is doing or what ever ideology the rulers are informed by as they huddle together for fear of dying alone they are hardly upstanding nations, throwing money at the problem in hopes a manufactured guilt will go away.
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March 5, 2010 5:35pm
Owen McShane

The Importance of the Right Culture.

You might like to ask your friends, “Which country has the highest number of start-ups per head of population?” and “Which country has the highest number of companies listed on NASDAQ per head of population?”

They are likely to be astonished to find that Israel wins on both counts.

They are likely to be even more astonished by a recent book which attributes this remarkable success to the impact on the culture of Israel University students of their years of compulsory military training.

We are frequently told that compulsory military training will help put wayward youth back on the path to righteousness. We have yet to hear anyone suggest that it might be the key to promoting a research-based high value-added enterprise economy, and closing the gap with Australia.

To read about this remarkable theory go to the New Geography web page and read “What Houston can Learn from the Israeli Model to Boost Entrepreneurship.”
http://www.newgeography.com/content/001413-what-houston-can-learn-israeli-model-boost-entrepreneurship

Be sure to follow the link to the book review from Newsweek, Soldiers of Fortune – How the Israeli Army became the most prolific innovation engine on earth.

It’s the culture that counts.
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March 5, 2010 5:53pm
Pete George

Ironic how destructive war is yet often pushes technological advances more than anything else. Except in some places like Afghanistan where they seem to just push drugs.
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March 5, 2010 6:12pm
Kris K

MikeNZ 4:36 pm,

http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/melaniephillips/5817896/the-verbal-pogrom.thtml
http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/03/lets-have-a-real-apartheid-education-week.php

LUC
the above stories clearly detail what you and your fellow travelers do.
you have no integrity.

Indeed, Mike.

At least most people that contribute (& read) Kiwiblog can see through the lies and misinformation preached by the likes of Mr Hansen. Of course people such as Luc ‘say’ they are just defending the innocent ‘Palestinians’, but it’s easy to see their thinly veiled anti-Semitism just below the surface.

And I could just see Luc protesting alongside all the brainwashed university students at ” “Israel Apartheid Week” on universities around the world”.

It’s just ‘lucky’ Israel’s existence isn’t dependent on whether or not the US (or any other nation) supports her, nor on how many liars and charlatans re-write her history.
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March 5, 2010 6:40pm
reid

Anyone see the Fallujah Iraq birth defects story on One News tonight?

Funny how it started just after 2004 when they used all those safe DU weapons on the place, wasn’t it.

Who woulda thunk.

Y’know, the “amusing” thing is, this is going to go and on and on and on and on and on and sooner or later the US media’s going to pick up on the fact that it’s still happening and that maybe, just maybe, the Pentagon’s assurances that depleted uranium is really really safe, really, just might be the complete bullshit that some of us knew it always was in the first place.

Pity isn’t it that it takes thousands of ruined innocent lives to get that point across to some of the useful idiots out there. And you wait, it will be thousands, if not millions.

Small question for those here who debated this point with me back in 2004 when Fallujah was a hot war. Just what, do you think, the US would be doing today if ITS citizens were in the exact precise same position as those families in Fallujah?

“Except in some places like Afghanistan where they seem to just push drugs.”

Yes Pete, ever thought it strange that the Taliban had almost completely eliminated the poppy crop and yet within a few short years it was back in full production. Who woulda thunk, again? You woulda thought, I woulda thought, that using satellite imagery and chemical defoliation would be a no-brainer simple thing for the US, given the consequences of this scourge. Apparently not.
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March 5, 2010 6:45pm
dad4justice

Do you reckon there should be a ministry for real men’s affairs?”

Tassman – Yes I do because real men status ONLY would exclude pc pathetic politicians and hen pecked media eunuchs, who are far too frightened to fart in case Pipa gets a big wet on or Toni snaps a bra strap and Ali does the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader team.. This country is rooted, I just smashed me black & white TV with a crow bar. Far too much sickening bullshit for this cowboy to ever stomach.

Would a REAL BLOKE please stand up, please stand up, yeah right not oin this feminist cess pit of lies. Fuck I hate New Zealand.

No wonder Fred Dagg left the feminist regime of nitwits.
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March 5, 2010 6:49pm
Johnboy

Don’t be so down Dad just remember those famous Daggish words:

“We don’t know how lucky we are”.
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March 5, 2010 6:58pm
dad4justice

“We don’t know how lucky we are”.

Yeah Fred sung that line in reference to rorting politicial parasites that are useless as tits on a bull.

When he sung ” my friend was killed by a whale”- he had 2 million drugged out TVNZ reporters at his front fucking door!
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March 5, 2010 7:00pm
Johnboy

I was speaking to a mate of mine just the other day
A guy called Bruce Bayliss actually who lives up our way
He’s been living in Europe for the year, more or less
I said “How was Europe, Bruce?”
He says “Fred, it’s a mess”
We don’t know how lucky we are, mate
We don’t know how lucky we are

I was down the Plough and Chequebook the night before last
There’s a guy down there on the floor with his brain at half-mast
I said “You’re looking really bad mate your eyes look like strings”
He says “Get me an eight will you please I can’t see a thing”
We don’t know how lucky we are, mate
We don’t know how lucky we are

Me stock agent’s got a beach place where he spends most of his days
His wife bit the dust down there last year got eaten by a couple of crays
And his two littlest daughters got killed by a whale
I said “Are you going down there this year mate?”
He says “Fred, right on the nail”
“We don’t know how fortunate we are to have that place
We don’t know how propitious are the circumstances Frederick”

So if things are looking really bad and you’re thinking of givin’ it away
Remember New Zealand’s a cracker and I reckon come what may
If things get appallingly bad and we all get atrociously poor
If we stand in the queue with our hats on we can borrow a few million more
We don’t know how lucky we are, mate
We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are, mate
We don’t know how lucky we are
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March 5, 2010 7:01pm
Johnboy

Modern version. 🙂

At the dawn of the day, in the great Southern Ocean
Where the world’s greatest fish was being landed
And the boat they were pulling it into was sinking
And the sea was quite lumpy, and the weather was foul
And the bloke with the map was as pissed as an owl
And the boys called out “Maui, ya clown, let it go”
In the noise he reached down for his grandmother’s jawbone
and he winked at his mates and he said
“Boys, we don’t know how lucky we are”
“I have a feeling I have stumbled on something substantial.”

We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are

I was speaking to a mate of mine, just the other day
A bloke called Bruce Bayliss who, lives up our way
He’s been round the world on an 8th army do for a year, more or less
I said “Describe the global position, Bruce”
He said “Fred, it’s a mess.
We don’t know how lucky we are in this country.
We don’t know how lucky we are.

We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are

There’s a guy I know who lives in town
I see him about once a year I suppose
He’s had a coronary since Easter
He’s got a haemorrhage in his ear
He went bankrupt a couple of weeks back
And now his wife’s left him too
I said “You’re looking hot mate,
You’re looking clear, what are ya gonna do?”
He said “We don’t know how lucky we are
To live in this joint mate”

We don’t know how lucky we are
We don’t know how lucky we are

So when things are looking really bad
And you’re thinking of giving it a way
Remember, New Zealand’s a cracker
And I reckon come what may
If things get appallingly bad
And we’re all under constant attack
Remember, we want to see good clean ball
And for god’s sakes, feed your backs
We don’t how fortunate we are to have that place
We don’t know how propitious are the circumstances.

We don’t know how lucky we are, mate
We don’t know how lucky we are

We don’t know how lucky we are, get it right
We just don’t realise how fortunate we are
We have no idea, the luck, we possess, collectively
We just don’t know how lucky we all are. Full stop.
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March 5, 2010 7:03pm
dad4justice

When Fred Dagg wrote that song were men killing themselves in record numbers MS Fembot Judge Dame S? Maybe Peter Acne Face Boshier could answer.
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March 5, 2010 7:09pm
Pete George

Maybe men could learn to sort their own shit out.

And not dish shit out when things don’t go their way.
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March 5, 2010 7:18pm
dad4justice

Maybe you could unplug yourself from fembot control you pathetic progressive lickspittle dropkick petey goorgie thingy?
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March 5, 2010 7:21pm
Johnboy

But dishing out shit is so much fun Pete especially when using calibres above 7.62mm.
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March 5, 2010 7:21pm
dad4justice

Johnboy – all progressive toss pot turd eaters like petey goorgie need a long burst from the 50 cal to fix the demented lickspittles.
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March 5, 2010 7:24pm
Johnboy

Yuh liked Ossies post then did you Dad?

http://oswaldbastable.blogspot.com/2010/02/something-on-your-mind.html#idc-container

No need for a burst just one shot seems to do the trick. 🙂
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March 5, 2010 7:29pm
dad4justice

Indeed Johnboy, just wondering if he was a forced respondent in femily court proceedings?

I will email the Dame or ask her at the track.
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March 5, 2010 7:33pm
Johnboy

No need to bother Dad they don’t have any feminists where he came from. (Or Judgess’s. Or Dames. )
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March 5, 2010 7:39pm
Hurf Durf

I’ve yet to see Puke talk about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Malmo thanks to Muslim aggression and indirect support from its left wing mayor. He doesn’t need to though, I already know he would make excuses for anti-Western behaviour.
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March 5, 2010 8:40pm
kowtow

Luc @417pm had a major go at “biblical stories”,Abraham fiction and Jesus.

Here’s a thought, as Abraham and Jesus feature heavily in the word of God as revealed to Mohamed could Luc please share some of his views on the fictitious or factual nature of the Koran and whether the Abraham, Moses , Mary and Jesus in that text are also figments of Mohameds imagination. Safe to slag the Jews and Christians as they’re not likely to throw acid in your face or stab you on the way to work.

As to Falujah and deformities that story was BBC bollocks at its finest ,all the anti American themes were there and have drawn out the loons already.

No one would think that Saddams poisons couldnt have anything to do with it. No, why blame Saddam when you can stick it on the Yanks.?
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March 5, 2010 9:05pm
Johnboy

STOP PRESS: GOD WANTED BRIAN TO BE RICH!!

“He was also questioned about his lavish lifestyle and million dollar home.
So what? I’ve never been on the benefit and I worked hard.
It was never in my mind or heart that this vocation is the vocation you take to make money, in fact I was warned off by my relatives,” Bishop Tamaki said.
He said he had been ready to take a vow of poverty but that was not what God wanted.”

Read more:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10630126
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March 5, 2010 9:11pm
Ryan Sproull

Johnboy,

Brian Tamaki preaches “prosperity theology“.
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March 5, 2010 9:15pm
Johnboy

As taught in the Gospel according to Saint Cadmus no doubt! 🙂

http://www.smartpay.co.nz/
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March 5, 2010 9:17pm
reid

“As to Falujah and deformities that story was BBC bollocks at its finest ,all the anti American themes were there and have drawn out the loons already.”

D’oh Kowtow. What part of reality=reality don’t you understand? Birth defects are real, they’re happening in areas where DU has been used.

Last I heard, biology and physics weren’t political.

Fact fact fact fact fact.

Look it up, tosser.

P.S. Also, idiot, moron and fool.
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March 5, 2010 9:36pm
reid

How come Hoskings tonight didn’t ask Tamaki two obvious questions:

1) What proportion of your income do you tithe to your church?

2) How much of your own money do you donate to the poor and needy who aren’t in your church, on a per annum basis?

On another note, notice how when Hoskings did Tamaki tonight, it was incisive and to the point, but when Sainsbury did Gattung, it was gushing and never asked a single hard question but focused on her relationships and other lightweight shit that – newsflash – no-one who watches is interested in? Hopefully TVNZ execs will get a clue as to why Campbell Live is taking over their ratings, one of these days…
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March 5, 2010 9:50pm
side show bob

While I believe in a chief arse kicker this shit about prosperity theology is enough to make me shake my head. Prosperity theology sounds like Mac Daddy theology, the more you spend on perceived social polices the higher your place heaven.
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March 5, 2010 9:55pm
reid

So what is prosperity theology? If it’s what I think it is, turning philosophy like The Secret, Tony Robbins, Napoleon Hill et al into religion, that’s anathema.

Is that what Tamaki is saying?
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March 5, 2010 10:00pm
Whafe

reid, I made the same comments when I was watching Mike Hosking interview Tamaki…..

Sainsbury is like watching paint dry or the grass grow… Sort your shit TVNZ….
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March 5, 2010 10:16pm
Johnboy

Prosperity theology is just a polite name for extracting the maximum amount of cash from the terminally stupid without them going to the police to make a complaint by dressing it up as a religion.

Fools and their money are easily parted its just that a true practitioner of the art makes them feel good about being screwed.
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March 5, 2010 10:17pm
reid

“Sainsbury is like watching paint dry or the grass grow”

IMO he’s worse than that, Whafe. He’s like paint that’s the wrong colour or a mower that won’t start. He’s a lightweight fuckhead that won’t step out of that mode and understand that NO, the rest of us aren’t pigshit morons like him, we actually understand what the fuck is going on and we DON’T repeat DON’T give a fuck about dogs, cats, girlfriends, boyfriends and lifestyle. Honestly, for the last five years, TVNZ has been acting like McDonalds who did one survey once and found some freakish female minority group who didn’t like Big Macs and so they decided to stop serving them to anyone, forever. Talk about freaking insane.

I mean Holmes was lightweight enough but at least every now and then he’d do a tough interview with a senior figure and when he did it he was good. Sainsbury can’t even do tough interviews with lightweight figures. He’s an idiot. He’s not even likeable. Fuck knows what audience groupings like him. I suspect the only Nielsen Surveys they ever do is amongst their own TVNZ execs who clearly think Marks just the bees freakin knees.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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March 5, 2010 10:35pm
reid

“Prosperity theology is just a polite name for extracting the maximum…”

Yeah but it has to be something more than just a straight con. People see through that right away. Robbins et al do genuinely offer something in fact their philosophies IMO when applied appropriately, like James Allen’s, yield tremendous results. Yet none of those people offer them as a theology.

Clearly Tamaki is pushing shit uphill if he pretends that the Bible encourages him to tithe his people simply so he can live the lifestyle he alone, thinks he deserves. Anyone remotely familiar knows that. Yet he has a passionate following. These symptoms make me wonder if he’s more in the charismatic-motivational class than the spiritual and if so, he’s walking a dangerous tightrope.

I’d like some journalist one day to ask him a question, relating to the story about the rich young man whom Jesus asked of: sell everything, take up your cross and follow me. The young man didn’t. Would Tamaki?
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March 5, 2010 10:54pm
lastmanstanding

Johnboy one would suggest that any Masters or PhD student wishing to pursue in corporate governance would find a vertiable treasure trove in undertaking a disertation into the Cadmus/Provenco/SmartPay story.

It would illuminate a sad and sorry story in NZ corporate governance and put to bed the myth that all is well in the corporate sector.

Fact is the worst of US UK EU corporate governance scandals pail compared to the legislative and regulatory hidden excesses in dear old NZ.

A small closed corporate society desparate to protect ones own
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March 5, 2010 10:57pm
Tassman

Trying to save the Real Man Species has brought out the best in some people. They rage hostility from across the political spectrum and social standings towards the kiwi bloke.

In the height of a suicidal trend, the government has decided to kill off the help line service for Men in need. It has reflected the depth of hostile attitudes shown on this board. But there is no obvious cause of animosity towards the kiwi bloke other than what seems to be a deep seeded hatred of the real man. It is envy of the cool man that has copped him so much krap…

Left with Type 2 and Type 3 half-men, the search to fulfill a burning desire for Type 1 has impacted a negative trend. Some characteristics of Type 1 man follows; easily suffocated with too much affection, boldly romantic in a kiwi bloke way, great drive and endurance without the use of drugs, and extremely anti HIV or STD carriers.

I guess If you can’t have him then no one else will huh?

Don’t give up real man
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March 6, 2010 7:53am
dad4justice

That real bloke bus driver was charged by the feminazi New Zealand Police. Sort your shit out girls!!!
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March 6, 2010 8:11am
Banana Llama

I don’t get this real bloke crap, i knew criminals who would probably do the same thing, what are they type 4 defects?
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March 6, 2010 8:54am
MikeNZ

Its an ideal, that’s being punished by the feminazis and their supporters.
Its done to keep men from being men and being an emasculated type that is no threat to their dominance of society.
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March 6, 2010 9:39am
MikeNZ

Tassman
Thanks for that, I’ve printed it out and am going to write to Minister Collins, the Police commissioner and attorney general asking what action/discipline will happen to the attending officers, their seniors and the prosecutors.
If nothing I’m going to ask for a formal inquiry in the name of fair justice and waste of taxpayers money.
Notwithstanding the issue of competence of the officers involved and reimbursement of the bus driver.
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March 6, 2010 9:47am
Tassman

Hoorah, cheers for the bus driver!
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