General Debate 3 March 2010

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Luc Hansen

Does anyone know Jim McClay’s UN email address?

I’d like to have a chat with him.
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March 3, 2010 8:29am
dime

lucky Jim
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March 3, 2010 8:42am
gazzmaniac

Has anyone given any thought to the idea that raising the driving age to 16 won’t actually change anything for the “at risk” 17-19 year old drivers, and in fact just ensures they are less experienced? A bit like raising the drinking age to prevent 14 year olds binge drinking really.
Also about it being in line with the school leaving age – yes, 16 is when you can leave school, but you still need to actually have a license not a learner’s permit. The idea of a learner’s permit log book appeals though as then there is a definite amount of experience, rathar than an amount of time passing.
I really feel this is a bit ill concieved, and reeks of the government just copying bad ideas from other countries.
I want to see statistics about how many crashes are due to the age of the driver vs the experience of the driver, and what other factors are involved, before I can support this move.
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March 3, 2010 8:46am
Manolo

Whale Oil says it well: “We elected this government to get the nanny state away, not for more of it. This is just another impinging of our civil liberties from a party that should know better. Quite how this matches the vision and values of the National Party is beyond me. How are these law changes compatible with Individual freedom and choice, personal responsibility and limited government.

I think that “Smile and Wave” Key and “Cardinal Richelieu” Joyce have got this one dead wrong. Way to go guys piss off the entire rural sector plus a few hundred thousand 14 year olds that will be voting soon.”

Empty-suit Key is misled by another of his ministers…..again.
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March 3, 2010 8:49am
nickb

Regarding this story:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10629594&pnum=2

Is anyone aware of whether the family of Halatau Naitoko was going to be paid any kind of compensation at all? This story just got me thinking today.
I’m not normally one to call for more govt spending on anything, but it would seem only right that when a breadwinner and hardworking young guy lies dead at the hands of the police (accidentally of course) that there would be some kind of help given to his family.
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March 3, 2010 8:50am
pentwig

Have just e mailed Jim and told him he needs a computer outage immediately.
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March 3, 2010 8:55am
philu

cor..!..john keys’ ‘special-friend’..lord ashcroft..

..is in some strife/grief..

something to do with dodging about 12 million pounds of tax each year..

(is ashcroft still flying down here for ‘special briefings’ with key..?..does anyone know..?..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/john-keys-special-friendlord-ashcroftis-in-a-bit-of-tax-strifelord-ashcrofts-secret-tax-deal-saved-him-millions/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 3, 2010 9:02am
Hugh Manatee

Entirely agree with Manolo and through him, Whale.
Rules and regulations, restrictions and bans.
National. Paternalistic Authoritarians.
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March 3, 2010 9:03am
Matt Long

On the driver age, you really have to ask why the Nats would want to take another cut out of Rural dwellers, for little or no gain. Do they really want to alienate voters?
Stupid, stupid strategy.
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March 3, 2010 9:07am
MikeNZ

How they brainwash a nation or try to.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e9_1255289108
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March 3, 2010 9:11am
Pete George

I think the minor licence tweaks are small change, I don’t think they are important. What is important about it is whether this twiddling is symptomatic of playing safe on everything or just on things that aren’t critical.

The Herald editorial touches on this:

This is a very conservative Government. If there was any doubt about the caution of John Key’s Cabinet it has been dispelled by its decision on the driving age.

It augurs badly for bigger decisions that need to be made soon.

Ie tax and welfare reform. Can Key be bold where it really matters?
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March 3, 2010 9:12am
Barnsley Bill

Two things of interest. Well one interesting link and an absolute disgrace actually.
Not something you see every day. http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/03/03/apology-to-barnsley-bill/
And WTF. NZ Fabian Society advertising on Kiwiblog.
The founding doctrine of the Heleban, the inspiration for all the damage Gordon Brown has done and they get to advertise on Kiwiblog?
Deeply disturbing David.
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March 3, 2010 9:14am
Repton

“We elected this government to get the nanny state away, not for more of it.”

You also elected them to “get tough”. I’d say this is an example of the latter.
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March 3, 2010 9:14am
Repton

On the driver age, you really have to ask why the Nats would want to take another cut out of Rural dwellers, for little or no gain. Do they really want to alienate voters?

Who else are the rural voters going to vote for?

Paradoxically, political parties don’t have to worry too much about pissing off their core constituency, since those people aren’t going anywhere anyway. It’s the ones on the borders that they have to court.

(of course, they can push it too far — witness Labour and the creation of the Maori Party)
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March 3, 2010 9:17am
Hugh Manatee

Repton – great observation. National can screw its core voters, because they won’t vote for anyone else.
Magic!
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March 3, 2010 9:20am
Repton

Idle thought: If I were in charge, I’d put a restriction on the power-to-weight ratio of vehicles. Basically, I’d limit _everyone_ to wussy cars only. Then, I’d introduce a new licence class, above the current “full” licence, that allows you to buy powerful cars. This new class would have stricter requirements, regular testing, and wouldn’t be available to people until age 20.

Results:
– No increased cost / inconvenience to anyone
– People can still drive fast cars if they want to
– But people who go for the new licence will have to improve their skills, raising the average driver ability

Phase it in over 10 years or so so that we can increase the number of trainers, and so that expensive cars don’t lose value too quickly.
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March 3, 2010 9:22am
Dave Mann

I have been looking on the net for any information that the NZ government will be sending aid to Chile and so far their pledge seems to be zilch. Also, there have been no appeals for donations on any radio station that I have heard. No 0900 pledge campaign. Nothing.

I think that this is really bad. What kind of a country are we?
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March 3, 2010 9:29am
Brian Smaller

I think that this is really bad. What kind of a country are we?

One borrowing $250 million a week to pay for welfare.
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March 3, 2010 9:33am
cha

nickb, I know Richard, the bloke who was peppered with fragments of one of the bullets that missed Halatau Naitoko. Richard now lives with them permanently in his left arm, he’s left handed, because they’re to close to vital nerves to be removed safely. He was a self employed blacksmith but since the shooting he’s been unable to work and has had to close his business. The police gave him a one off payment of $2000.
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March 3, 2010 9:39am
Pete George

Talking about paying for welfare and other stuff, it looks like one US Senator possibly unhinging could prevent pays for unemployment benefits and many other things, such is the way things work (or fail to work) in the Senate.

In face of criticism, Sen. Bunning blocks jobless benefits again

Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) stood firm Tuesday in single-handedly blocking the Senate from extending unemployment benefits, highway funds and other programs in the face of mounting criticism from Democrats and pleas from his own party.

Hundreds of thousands of unemployed workers faced an end to their jobless benefits Monday, and the federal government furloughed about 2,000 employees without pay, as a result of Bunning’s efforts to block legislation that would fund $10 billion in federal programs.

The dollar democracy and/or the dopey democracy?
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March 3, 2010 9:39am
Dave Mann

Brian, yes, but Australia has pledged $A4.5 million already. Allowing that we are much smaller than Australia, couldn’t we give Chile at least $NZ1.5 million? We gave $1.4 million to Haiti…
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March 3, 2010 9:41am
Razork

Re Drivers age.

Half the population says they haven’t made it high enough
Half the poulation say no need for change.

I’d say they got it about right!
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March 3, 2010 9:41am
nickb

Cha thats really astonishing, he sounds like his career has been ruined.
Was ACC of any help?
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March 3, 2010 9:48am
Redbaiter

“Talking about paying for welfare and other stuff, it looks like one US Senator possibly unhinging ”

Please post you WAPO propaganda somewhere else. The Standard is the place for crap like that. Its where you should go too instead of oiling your way around Kiwiblog all day with snide sleazy and cowardly distortions, exaggerations, false allegations lies and other blatantly partisan and self serving comments cloaked in a tone of objectivity. Charlatan.
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March 3, 2010 9:53am
m@tt

Half the population says they haven’t made it high enough
Half the poulation say no need for change.

Well I fall in neither camp because I believe there is need for change, just not on age. All they are doing is putting inexperienced 16yr olds on the roads instead of inexperienced 15 yr olds. In my opinion this change is likely to have a negative affect on the driving ability of 16 and 17 yr olds, so on that basis it is a deeply flawed change.

I think restrictions on the power of vehicles is the way to go. Does anyone know a 15, 16 or 17 yr old that really NEEDS a turbo charged Subaru or GTR?
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March 3, 2010 9:58am
Tassman

The rise of a socialist regime…
It’s not as if we are not already subjects of a big brother regime; our bank transactions are accessible to network authorities under the guise of crime, and so are our physical activities whether at home, on the phone, computer, radio, driving and basically breathing. But now some students are already monitored by electronic device, as some parents will follow soon. The force instills fear: because one has a record, he/she is expected to remain silence. This has been recently demonstrated by the British subject stranded in India, and the beneficiary who boasted about advocating free speech and civil rights.
In other words, if you speak up you are likely to be a target of the regime by restricting your freedom and access to services. Be afraid and remain silent or face the might of the @#$%^& ruler….
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March 3, 2010 10:00am
Brian Smaller

Brian, yes, but Australia has pledged $A4.5 million already. Allowing that we are much smaller than Australia, couldn’t we give Chile at least $NZ1.5 million? We gave $1.4 million to Haiti…

I don’t care what Australia gave. I don’t want our government giving any taxpayer money to charity. If people want to donate, then feel free. There will be private charities who can take donated money and get it to where it is needed.
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March 3, 2010 10:02am
m@tt

“I don’t care what Australia gave. I don’t want our government giving any taxpayer money to charity.”
If one of our cities is flattened in a major earthquake I presume you’ll be quite happy for our government to accept ‘charity’?
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March 3, 2010 10:04am
Brian Smaller

I think restrictions on the power of vehicles is the way to go. Does anyone know a 15, 16 or 17 yr old that really NEEDS a turbo charged Subaru or GTR?

No, but my son at 15 could have got his licence and used our old Holden to get to his holiday jobs. Now I either give up work to taxi him about or he sits on his arse all day doing nothing.
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March 3, 2010 10:05am
Rich Prick

“I think restrictions on the power of vehicles is the way to go. Does anyone know a 15, 16 or 17 yr old that really NEEDS a turbo charged Subaru or GTR?”

Care to tell me what sort of car I should own?
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March 3, 2010 10:06am
Dave Mann

Well said m@tt. God, Brian you are heartless aren’t you? Did you think about what you wrote, or was it just a knee-jerk automatic response?
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March 3, 2010 10:07am
Tassman

You child has a government right to drive whatever vehicle at where ever location, but accordingly, it is the parents’ responsibility if the child should have an accident. Now how on earth can a child learn how to drive, especially from their own mistakes? Now answer that Tolley?
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March 3, 2010 10:11am
Brian Smaller

“I don’t care what Australia gave. I don’t want our government giving any taxpayer money to charity.”
If one of our cities is flattened in a major earthquake I presume you’ll be quite happy for our government to accept ‘charity’?

Yes. Especially if it came from private individuals concerned about us. I would be happy enough if our government sent some docs/rescue workers over there, or perhaps all our RMA bureaucrats to oversea the construction of Chile’s new buildings (that would speed up construction/recovery in both countries).

But if a major earthquake flattened one of our cities I would be surprised if we got any significant help. Out of interest, how much international help did Japan get after Kobe? or Italy after Udine? Anyone know?
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March 3, 2010 10:11am
Fale Andrew Lesa

I agree,

Raising the driving age is completely indecorous: how often are teenage drivers involved in casualties actually 15 years of age? Many of whom are actually between the ages of 16 and 21.

The agricultural industry stands to suffer, at 15 children are often required to drive the family tractors, etc. Due to the distance of some schools in rural areas, it was common practice for students to drive to and from school: this will now be more difficult to obtain as the period between a learners and a restricted becomes longer to achieve.

This is National trying to “look good” in terms of “tougher penalties” for the small-minded, some of us haven’t forgotten that Jenny Shipley lowered the drinking age to 18 as a desperate election bribe – but lets not go there.
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March 3, 2010 10:13am
m@tt

“Care to tell me what sort of car I should own?”
No I don’t, so long as you have proved you can operate a vehicle safely on the roads you share with me and others then I’m happy for you to drive what you want, within the law. I think part of that proof is gaining your full license.

Care to tell me why a 15 year old needs to drive a car designed for racing?
Perhaps we should let them all have handguns to
While we are at it let’s lower the drinking age, let’s give 13 year olds the vote, let’s remove movie and game ratings, if an 8 year old wants to buy Grand Theft Auto and have simulated sex with a virtual prostitute, who are we to try and stop them. I mean no parent is going to let that happen are they?
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March 3, 2010 10:28am
MikeNZ

One borrowing $250 million a week to pay for welfare.

priceless Brain, priceless 🙂
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March 3, 2010 10:33am
MikeNZ

Don’t believe it Matt.
80% of us got canned by Key for smacking our kids if they need it, because of dipshits who he won’t deal to directly.
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March 3, 2010 10:34am
MikeNZ

Fale
Jenny who?
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March 3, 2010 10:35am
Hugh Manatee

Tassman@10:am

Yes sir, and here as well, under whose watch?
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March 3, 2010 10:44am
eszett

But if a major earthquake flattened one of our cities I would be surprised if we got any significant help. Out of interest, how much international help did Japan get after Kobe? or Italy after Udine? Anyone know?

250m pounds according to this and most of it came from the EU (naturally)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/6/newsid_4899000/4899320.stm

And if something really happens here in NZ, I doubt that you will be asking where the money came from.
Also to your point, if Nations are helping Haiti and Chile, it is fair to presume that same would apply to NZ.
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March 3, 2010 10:56am
Pete George

Please post you WAPO propaganda somewhere else. The Standard is the place for crap like that. Its where you should go too instead of oiling your way around Kiwiblog all day with snide sleazy and cowardly distortions, exaggerations, false allegations lies and other blatantly partisan and self serving comments cloaked in a tone of objectivity. Charlatan.

You’ll have to let me know what sources you find acceptable so I won’t be on the receiving end of your reprimands.

Is this ok?

The gruff, irascible style of Sen. Jim Bunning may not have earned him any friends in the Senate but it could give the retiring lawmaker the last laugh as he victoriously spits in the eye of colleagues after creating a political firestorm over jobless benefits that has dismayed Republicans and delighted Democrats.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/02/bunning-clashes-camera-abc-reporter-jobless-benefits/

On the other hand, quoting WAPO is usually good for extracting some humour for the day. You seem to confuse being a joker with being a joke.
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March 3, 2010 10:59am
eszett

# Rich Prick (252) Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:06 am

“I think restrictions on the power of vehicles is the way to go. Does anyone know a 15, 16 or 17 yr old that really NEEDS a turbo charged Subaru or GTR?”

Care to tell me what sort of car I should own?

Today there are restrictions on motorbikes. You cannot drive over 250cc until you get a full license after 2 years. I don’t see why a similar restriction couldn’t apply to cars. Not necessarily on engine size, but on power.

Usually this is where compulsory insurance also can play a role.
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March 3, 2010 11:02am
Rich Prick

Spot the authoritarians.
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March 3, 2010 11:17am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Well what do you know:

James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison

Once a criminal subhuman scum always a criminal subhuman scum.
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March 3, 2010 11:18am
Redbaiter

“On the other hand, quoting WAPO is usually good for extracting some humour for the day. You seem to confuse being a joker with being a joke.”

I’ve just finished reading Ann Coulter’s “Guilty”, wherein she eviscerates the mainstream media for the lying politically partisan cowards and cheap con artists they all are.

I defy anyone to read that book and not be utterly revolted at the tactics of Progressives and Liberals posing as journalists. The creeps who sit behind the desks of all of today’s media outlets (especially junkfests like the WAPO) are just the frontline troops for their shady left wing political masters, and they are at the root of almost every evil that today befalls us. Its not a joking matter, unless you regard the difference between slavery and liberty or destitution and prosperity as a joke.
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March 3, 2010 11:27am
Rich Prick

OK eszett, a car of what power will a 17 year old wrap arround a tree:

a) 56kw
b) 125kw
c) 195kw
d) 217kw?
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March 3, 2010 11:34am
eszett

What point are you trying to make with such an idiotic question, rich prick?

a motorbike of what size will a 17 year old wrap arround a tree:

a) 125cc
b) 250cc
c) 750cc
d) 1400cc
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March 3, 2010 11:39am
cha

Cha thats really astonishing, he sounds like his career has been ruined.

Yep, ten years building a business, down the shitter.

Was ACC of any help?

You’re kidding, right?, he broke the second rule:

1 Don’t get sick.
2 Don’t get hurt.
3 Whatever you do, don’t get old!.
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March 3, 2010 11:39am
Viking2

All this comparison with Aussie license ages is spurious for another reason.
In NZ a kid can buy a reasonably good car very cheaply including being able to pay for it or finance it. Try buying a cheap car in Aussie.
Cars that here would fetch a few thousand dollars sell for over 10 thousand there. Kids don’t buy them because they can,t. They don’t have the cash. Ironic really when one considers the wages rates but still Rudd has fixed that as kids at school can no longer work part time. Rudd has stopped employers from employing them.

Do the Nats do any research that doesn’t get feed from bullshit castles in Wellywood. Apt name by the way. Holly wood has been making up shit for years. Looks like Wellywood is on the same track.
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March 3, 2010 12:44pm
Rich Prick

eszett, the motobike restriction isn’t about power, but rather weight. And its an idiotic question because the the restriction on power is idiotic. Accidents are the product of poor driving regarless of the kw rating of a car.
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March 3, 2010 1:35pm
gazzmaniac

I’m sure someone could wrap a Suzuki Swift around a post just as easily as a Nissan Skyline.
And there are some bloody quick 250cc bikes out there, by the way.
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March 3, 2010 1:41pm
eszett

# Rich Prick (255) Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

eszett, the motobike restriction isn’t about power, but rather weight. And its an idiotic question because the the restriction on power is idiotic. Accidents are the product of poor driving regarless of the kw rating of a car.

fair enough, but you could also phrase your question around weight then, wouldn’t make much sense either.

A power to weight ratio is probably more valid restriction, even on motorbikes.

I agree with your point of poor driving and experience. That is still an argument to the point that there should be restrictions around young drivers and what cars they can drive.

I believe that is what the government is actually proposing now.
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March 3, 2010 1:46pm
Rich Prick

Weight is relevant to a motorbike because heavier ones are harder to ride and control, power has nothing to do with it. Weight does have a relationship with engine capacity with bikes which is why the restriction is by engine capacity.

Power to weight ratios for cars are also irrelevant. Bad riving is bad driving no matter what the car. The authoritarian approach to this sort is idiotic and produces absurd results.
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March 3, 2010 1:57pm
Brian Smaller

Ironic really when one considers the wages rates but still Rudd has fixed that as kids at school can no longer work part time. Rudd has stopped employers from employing them.

Really? This is the type of muddle-headed thinking that creates aother generation of people who have no idea what the value of anything is until they eventually get a job and discover that you actually have to work to buy the shit you want, not bludge off Mum and Dad. Except that tons of them still bludge of Mum and Dad when they should be out on their own. It is bad enough here where kids under 14 cannot get paid jobs.
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March 3, 2010 2:03pm
Whafe

All pretty quiet on the Kiwiblog front it seems……

This should make you laugh…. So factual…. 2 years old, but great all the same..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
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March 3, 2010 2:25pm
eszett

# Rich Prick (256) Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

Weight is relevant to a motorbike because heavier ones are harder to ride and control, power has nothing to do with it. Weight does have a relationship with engine capacity with bikes which is why the restriction is by engine capacity.

Power to weight ratios for cars are also irrelevant. Bad riving is bad driving no matter what the car. The authoritarian approach to this sort is idiotic and produces absurd results.

I disagree, I think it’s sensible. Poor driving experience has certainly got to do with it, hence you should restrict the access to the more powerful cars and motorcyles to young drivers, who tend to be inexperienced.

That’s what the government is going to look into as well

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjourneys/Pages/default.aspx
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March 3, 2010 2:34pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Can anyone provide me with a link to the Experts Child Forum on Child Abuse’s report that has been released today. I can’t find it anywhere. THanks.
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March 3, 2010 3:03pm
eszett

@ rich prick:

a little extract from the just released Safer Journeys:

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjourneys/Pages/default.aspx

Page 27:

Safer motorcycles for novice riders

Currently holders of learner and restricted motorcycle licences are restricted to riding motorcycles of 250 cc and less. This is because larger and more powerful bikes increase crash risk; and novice riders have more crashes per vehicle kilometres travelled
than experienced riders.

However, recent advances in technology are limiting the effectiveness of the restriction. A number of powerful highperformance
250 cc motorcycles capable of high speeds and rapid acceleration are available on the market. These motorcycles are not suitable for novice riders due to their power, riding position and handling. Advances in motorcycle power and performance are likely to continue.

To better reflect the intent of the cc restriction, we could replace it with a power-to-weight ratio limit of 150 kilowatts per
tonne. A 660 cc restriction for learner and restricted motorcycle licensed riders would also apply to ensure motorcycles are not
too physically large for novice riders.

This restriction would give novice riders access to a greater range of motorcycles appropriate for their level of experience, including more that have safety features like automatic braking systems. It will also provide a more progressive step to larger
bikes than the 250 cc restriction. Evidence from overseas jurisdictions shows a power-to-weight restriction encourages novice riders to stay on a less powerful bike for longer than a 250 cc restriction after their restriction period ends. This is positive for safety as familiarity with a motorcycle reduces crash risk.
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March 3, 2010 3:30pm
eszett

And also on Page 36:

Investigate vehicle power restrictions for young drivers

Access to high-powered or modified cars is a factor in a number of crashes involving young drivers. Some Australian
states have introduced vehicle power restrictions for young drivers as a condition of their learner or restricted licence.
New South Wales and Queensland ban the use of V8s, turbo and supercharged vehicles, modified vehicles and certain high performance six cylinder vehicles. There are exemptions for those that need to drive a high-powered car for work. We will investigate whether vehicle power restrictions for young drivers should be introduced in New Zealand. This investigation will include evaluating the effectiveness of the Australian restrictions in reducing young driver crash risk.
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March 3, 2010 3:35pm
freethinker

Repton
Disenchanted rural voters may not vote Labour but they not vote at all – almost as bad as it makes it easier particularly in list MP terms for the opposition.
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March 3, 2010 3:56pm
Whafe

A request for help…..

Is anyone aware of a good child support blog for fathers?

And I am not a person whom is not trying to pay there way by any means, just have some questions….. Child Support told me today that I need to live with a woman with kids to reduce my payments, amazing that you get stung for being a single parent and being single, give me strength….

Thanks in advance
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March 3, 2010 4:59pm
Steve

D4J
He is a bit of a nutbar, but if you get on the same page as him, he is a wealth of information. IMO
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March 3, 2010 5:47pm
Luc Hansen

Come on, guys. I want to contact Jim McClay to thank him for joining the civilised nations of the world at the UN and voting for further investigation into the Goldsmith reports on war crimes in the Gaza massacre.

And I wish to politely enquire the basis of this statement:

JIM MCLAY ( New Zealand) said his country had voted in favour because it supported credible investigations into the conflict, but had abstained from previous votes which endorsed the biased action of the Human Rights Council on the issue.

That’s all.
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March 3, 2010 5:59pm
Luc Hansen

Whafe

Doesn’t it just give the truth to the old aphorism:

Women, can’t live with ’em; can’t live without ’em!

There is another, but i think it’s too rude even for here. But I could cave in to pressure, like JK and his crowd usually do.
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March 3, 2010 6:03pm
Luc Hansen

Just announced in Australia, healthcare funding is to be stripped from states and territories and centralised within the Federal Government.

Nationalisation of funding, if not delivery. I’m a little unsure on those details, but the report said all GPs come under the Federal Government but individual hospitals deliver the services.

Where’s Redbaiter when you need him?
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March 3, 2010 6:11pm
Fletch

Anyone see the News and the govt planning to change the Give Way To The Right rule?
STUPID IDEA!

I’ve been driving one way my whole life and all of a sudden they expect you to do something else? It won’t just be me either. If they do change the rule it will be total mayhem on the roads!
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March 3, 2010 6:20pm
Steve

It was a stupid idea in 1977 to change from what we had, but we coped.
NZ is the only country with this rule, but we are special….. We need to be told what to do. Just watch the fuckwits at the intersections when the lights fail. omg omg no lights help. They have no idea.
We coped in 77, so we cope now, just wake up and be aware on the road.
Yeah Fletch, I took the bait, hook – line – sinker and most of my arm
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March 3, 2010 6:51pm
Whafe

Heavens to morgatroid, I agree with something Luc says:

Women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t live without ‘em!
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March 3, 2010 7:14pm
Hurf Durf

Just a nice little update.

Remember Mohsen al-Attar and his precious Third World perspectives law course? According to him, thanks to Farrar’s coverage of it:

I am pleased to report we have doubled our numbers from last year – and, at this rate, may even reach maximum enrolment by week’s end

Well obviously the Third World has a different perspective to maths because “may reach maximum enrolment” equals just under half:

Component: Lecture
Consent: No Special Consent Required
Class Status: Open
Class Capacity: 100
Total Currently Enrolled: 46
Wait List Capacity: 0
Current Wait List Total: 0

Lecture times are 2-3pm Monday and 2-4pm Wednesday in Northey if you want to sneak in and be enlightened.
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March 3, 2010 8:27pm
Hurf Durf

Just been reading the posts on the Save Radio NZ facebook group. Christ, what a bunch of bedwetting nonces. I hope the station gets killed off, purely out of spite.
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March 3, 2010 9:20pm
Whafe

Watching Backbenches, I so hope that Big Trev gets caught for his expenses if the AG looks through his, the smarmy creep…
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March 3, 2010 9:52pm
dad4justice

You should ask the “smarmy creep” if he has a slip out no child support system in place?

Well done New Zealand Black Caps.
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March 3, 2010 10:00pm
Redbaiter

“Just been reading the posts on the Save Radio NZ facebook group. Christ, what a bunch of bedwetting nonces. I hope the station gets killed off, purely out of spite.”

What this bunch of simpering wheedling parasites will not deal with is the simple fact that if all of the claimed listeners contributed only $60 per annum each they could have their damn commie propaganda station to themselves. Yet they insist on having it funded by people who don’t even want it or listen to it or believe government needs to be in the entertainment business. Self interested narcissistic abusers of the democratic process.
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March 3, 2010 10:31pm
nickb

What a game of cricket, well done boys
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March 3, 2010 11:13pm
MikeNZ

politely enquire
LUC

It means that the Goldstone report was a jam up and not worth the paper it was written on.
In fact there is small room in the UN where they are shredding them for use in other small rooms throughout the building.
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March 3, 2010 11:15pm
Rich Prick

Have you ever ridden a range of motorbikes eszett? If you had you would understand the difference between a 125cc farm bike and a Ducati 999. Guess which is more likely to have an accident? Hint, it ain’t the latter. Please do not quote Government policy wonk produced waffle from spotty uni grads who have never ridden a bike. I have no time for that piffle.
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