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Brian Smaller

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/online-muslim-sex-shop-conforms-to-sharia-law/story-e6frf7lf-1225847502559

Apparently they do an extensive range of “Blow Up” dolls.
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March 31, 2010 7:49am
Michaels

I’m not overly keen on the RWC theme song.
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March 31, 2010 8:01am
bearhunter

@ Michaels – me neither. Why pick a song that was about a specific time and place (the fall of Communism in eastern Europe) and try to hang a sporting event on it? And then have the fucking Feelers singing it? Were all the other shite pub covers bands busy? Or just too embarrassed to take part in such a cheap and nasty looking ad? Ah well, there’s always the REAL world cup to watch this summer.
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March 31, 2010 8:14am
Murray

I struggle to give a rats about the RWC at all Michaels. More tax payers money going to other people. Not one single cent or tangible benfit will trickle down to my level.
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March 31, 2010 8:21am
Brian Smaller

I love rugby but it the RWC priced too high for me. I would like to take the kids but the cheapest we could do a ‘follow a team’ or ‘follow a venue’ through the pool games is about a grand. I have different spending priorities.
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March 31, 2010 8:28am
Michaels

Murray I’m looking forward to the actual games, can’t be bothered with the leadup shit though.

HOWEVER….. I shan’t be going to a single game unless John Key or Murray McCully invite me as their guest.

I remember clearly the last one here, I went to the opening game against Italy and had a hoot and of course went to the final as well.
Looking back I cant remember what I paid for a ticket but obviously it wasn’t shit loads as I wasn’t earning a hell of a lot. But both games I went to, I then partied all nite at a couple of clubs with the All Blacks. Of course those were the days when the All Blacks were friendly open guys and not up themselves. Oh and weren’t interested in fighting either.
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March 31, 2010 8:29am
Murray

The reality is that those in control would be more than happy if not one single kiwi went to the games. They’re chasing the dollars.

There’s a game in there somewhere, but its not important.
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March 31, 2010 8:31am
Michaels

I wonder if David Tua would mind a warm up fight tonight…..
I believe Mr Mallard is available for 2.5 seconds.
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March 31, 2010 8:37am
Pete George

I might go and see RWC games here, prices aren’t too high (they aren’t top tier games).

But if I don’t get to the stadium I can choose between about fifty TV channels to watch them on anyway.

I ignore “pre-promotions” to any sporting events as much as possible, and don’t care for opening ceremonies either, it’s all just marketing opportunities aka commercial crap. If watching on TV I skip the match build-ups too, just seems to be a waffle-fest full of trivia and speculation.

I really can’t be bothered with the boxing, it doesn’t do anything for me to watch grown men trying to bash each other. And there seems to be as many world titles as there are TV channels showing RWC.
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March 31, 2010 8:47am
3-coil

Bearhunter/Michaels – can’t say I’m too fussed with the RWC theme song either. But let’s hope Gary McCormick’s xenophobic campaign to replace it with Dave Goblin’s dirge “Loyal” fails – a plodding depressing tune like that will never fire up the crowd or the All Blacks (although it may be appropriate if our team gets knocked out of the competition before the final, again…)
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March 31, 2010 8:58am
James Stephenson

The reality is that those in control would be more than happy if not one single kiwi went to the games. They’re chasing the dollars.

As I commented over at Inventory’s place, a more apt theme song from that era would have been the Wonderstuff’s “It’s Yer Money I’m After, Baby”.
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March 31, 2010 8:58am
Adolf Fiinkensein

I’m surprised the promoters missed the opportunity to call it the Vast Rugby World Cup.
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March 31, 2010 8:59am
Michaels

3-coil, I like the “loyal” song, HOWEVER, it’s slow and boring for this type of event. YAAAWNNNNN….
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March 31, 2010 9:00am
big bruv

Easter coming up lads, I hope all of you who are already getting stressed out at the prospect of the shops not being open for all four days have got the sedatives handy.
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March 31, 2010 9:10am
Brian Smaller

What I am already pre-cringing about is the “Opening Ceremony”. 2000 kids and adults running about waving flags with reject costumes from a wearable arts contest, some laser lights and smoke machines – all with some annoucers telling us breathlessly about how it is showing the ‘story of New Zealand’.

Maybe I could sell tickets to tourists to get their photos taken in front of my house. It was built by Jimmy Hunter.
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March 31, 2010 9:12am
Brian Smaller

big bruv – when you live 35km from the nearest small town, the shops not being open a few days is not exactly earth shattering.
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March 31, 2010 9:13am
voice of reason

“Michaels (812) Says:
I’m not overly keen on the RWC theme song.”

Its not the RWC theme song – “World in union” has that honour

Right here right now is the song for this Ad campaign
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March 31, 2010 9:15am
NOt1tocommentoften

And Big Bruv – if you want to start the easter trading hours debate again just come out an say it, rather than masking it in some off the cuff comment.
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March 31, 2010 9:19am
Murray

“Honour”???

Its a bloody game as a comercial activity, not freaken World War II.
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March 31, 2010 9:21am
3-coil

Michaels (9:00am) – correct me if I’m wrong, but I think “Loyal” may have also already been used as Team New Zealand’s song in one of the recent America’s Cup regattas? Just what the All Blacks don’t need – a resurrected theme song from a failed yachting campaign 🙂
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March 31, 2010 9:25am
Ryan Sproull

Tina Turner, veteran event-themed song source, should again be called upon.

When will “We Don’t Need Another Hero” finally take its rightful place?
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March 31, 2010 9:27am
LeftRightOut

In the immortal words of Paula “Tony” Bennett, The Dream is Over for cantabrians to elect their own regional council.

Nick “What drugs is he on” Smith claims there is “A level of support” for sacking the council, but is unwilling to see that tested democraticaaly in October.

This is nothing more than National returning to its roots of rewarding its backers and fucking over the populace.

This is the ushering in of the Facist Corporatist State.
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March 31, 2010 9:32am
camrun

Large Hadron Collider powered up again overnight. No black holes have destroyed the world yet. Physics, a proper science. I’d like to see some real science news in the MSM, instead of all this climate change bullshit. I won’t hold my breath.
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March 31, 2010 9:54am
trout

LRO how is that different from the feminazi fascist state that we have had for the past nine years, where the power lay with the union apparatchiks and the disaffected? Regulated corporate responsibility and enterprise are more likely to lift NZ out of the mire than failed socialist dogma.
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March 31, 2010 10:02am
Ryan Sproull

Large Hadron Collider powered up again overnight. No black holes have destroyed the world yet. Physics, a proper science. I’d like to see some real science news in the MSM, instead of all this climate change bullshit. I won’t hold my breath.

I met a woman last weekend who, apparently in all seriousness, referred to CERN as “millions of dollars being poured into scientists trying to prove that God didn’t create the universe”.
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March 31, 2010 10:04am
Murray

And “Team New Zealand” was a foriegn coperate group that happened to rigister its boat here and give it the name “Team New Zealand”.

It no more makes it a New Zealand representative sport group than a car registration and a kiwi sticker on a Toyota makes the driver a New Zealand motor racing team.

“Loyal” to what exactly?
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March 31, 2010 10:08am
MT_Tinman

Big Bruv, I hope to see the plans you have for living the four days (in fact two) without electricity (including petrol pumps), town supply water, sewage, emergency services, police, public transport (both private and local govt. owned) or are you just another duplicitous greenie-type who wants everyone except those on whom you choose to rely upon for your own comfort to have an enforced, often unwelcome holiday?

Meanwhile we will see yet another completely gutless performance from leaderless rabble purporting to represent NZ cricket conclude today.
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March 31, 2010 10:15am
wreck1080

LHC is awesome.

But, sometimes I wonder, why has life not been detected elsewhere in the universe? It is unlikely we are alone.

I wonder if it is possible that civilisations wipe themselves out doing extreme science. It is natural that every alien civilisation willl eventually build colliders – who knows, maybe the bigger ones do create black holes 🙂
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March 31, 2010 10:19am
voice of reason

I watched the Apprentice NZ last night the winning team rec’d the fabulous prize of a round of golf @ Pakaranga ! wow !
Next week the winners will be treated to a game of pool at the Lion Red Tavern Manukau
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March 31, 2010 10:54am
big bruv

Not1

I have no real desire to open up the Easter trading debate again, for two or three years in a row I have dealt out a hammering to all those yuppie types who just cannot handle not being able to pose outside with their designer coffee for three and half days a year, to repeat that hammering would be cruel and unusual punishment.

I will simply enjoy the break safe in the knowledge that this is what the majority of the people want, I might even crack open a bottle of beer in celebration of democracy at work, meanwhile I will leave those who are happy to see others forced to work for their own selfish desires to piss and moan about not being able to shop 365 days a year. 🙂
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March 31, 2010 11:08am
Put it away

If I hear ‘Loyal’ one more time, someone is going to get stabbed. I know we’re a small country, but we HAVE written more than one song for chissakes. I actually used to like that song, but after the first few hundred times anything wears a bit thin…
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March 31, 2010 11:12am
Pete George

sometimes I wonder, why has life not been detected elsewhere in the universe? It is unlikely we are alone.

It’s unlikely we are alone, but it’s also a very long shot that we will verify that other life exists out there due to the scale of time and distance. It would need another intelligent life form to coincide with our tiny window in time of existence, and to be close enough, and to do something that makes them detectable.
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March 31, 2010 11:19am
Put it away

LeftRightOut, which part of “All ten of the councils within the ECan region agreed that commissioners were needed” are you having difficulty understanding ?
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March 31, 2010 11:20am
Captain Neurotic

Ryan Sproull – This is why Dan Brown novels need to come with warning labels like cigarette packets!
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March 31, 2010 11:24am
MT_Tinman

Pete George (4411) Says:
March 31st, 2010 at 11:19 am
It would need another intelligent life form”

“another”??????????????????
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March 31, 2010 11:44am
Ryan Sproull

It’s unlikely we are alone, but it’s also a very long shot that we will verify that other life exists out there due to the scale of time and distance. It would need another intelligent life form to coincide with our tiny window in time of existence, and to be close enough, and to do something that makes them detectable.

That’s assuming that other intelligent life wouldn’t stick around for a considerably longer time than we have existed so far.
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March 31, 2010 11:58am
Put it away

Alien transmissions might be harder to identify than we assume – any reasonably advanced civilisation has probably fully used the capacity of the radio spectrum and is sending all transmissions with the most efficient possible data compression, and the more efficient data compression is, the more difficult it is to tell from noise.
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March 31, 2010 12:00pm
LeftRightOut

Put it away (658) Says:

March 31st, 2010 at 11:20 am
LeftRightOut, which part of “All ten of the councils within the ECan region agreed that commissioners were needed” are you having difficulty understanding ?

None, but the petty demands of Mayors do not, or should not, replace democratic elections.

I think the more relevant question is which part of October elections don’t you understand?

I only get a vote for ONE of those 10 councils, plus a vote for ECAN which ahs now been striped from me, with no consulatation and no compensation.

watch as these troughers opn the commission award themselves vast salaries and golden parachutes, while Canterbury rivers are sucked dry.
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March 31, 2010 12:05pm
camrun

“I met a woman last weekend who, apparently in all seriousness, referred to CERN as “millions of dollars being poured into scientists trying to prove that God didn’t create the universe”.”

That’s ridiculous. I’m pretty sure it’s BILLIONS of dollars.
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March 31, 2010 12:17pm
grumpyoldhori

Tsk,tsk, some are against welfare for business in the form of taxpayers money being spent to build a place of business for Pro. rugby players.
Just look how much those players do for amateur rugby once they stop turning out for the ABs.
It shows the amateurs that they to can move to Europe for the loot.
What, you expected important players to help out with amateur rugby, wash your mouths out, what does Pro. rugby owe the amateur game ?

So who else is in favour of a AMATEUR rugby union being set up and treating the Pros the way league types were treated ?
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March 31, 2010 12:24pm
James Stephenson

This from the Grauniad (thanks to Old Holborn for the link)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change

“It may be neccessary to put democracy on hold for a while.”

The true colours of the warmenists show…
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March 31, 2010 12:32pm
LeftRightOut

James Stephenson (22) Says:

March 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
This from the Grauniad (thanks to Old Holborn for the link)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change

“It may be neccessary to put democracy on hold for a while.”

The true colours of the warmenists show…

Isn’t Nick “I don’t like the drugs, but the drugs like me” Smith one of those? And hasn’t he just shown the way with ECAN?
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March 31, 2010 12:34pm
Chthoniid

I met a woman last weekend who, apparently in all seriousness, referred to CERN as “millions of dollars being poured into scientists trying to prove that God didn’t create the universe”.

That’s ridiculous. You pour coffee into scientists. And millions of dollars into the ~~toys~~ important scientific instruments.
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March 31, 2010 12:41pm
Chthoniid

But, sometimes I wonder, why has life not been detected elsewhere in the universe? It is unlikely we are alone.

In space… no one can hear you scream

And as it turns out, see you wave ‘hello’
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March 31, 2010 12:44pm
Scorpio

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&objectid=10635538

Why, oh why, did Joyce do this?

If the cabbies want cameras, no-one’s stopping them. Why do the govt need to do anything?

We are truly screwed if we need to keep running to govt for everything.
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March 31, 2010 12:49pm
Murray

Socialism is the opiate of the masses Scorpio.
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March 31, 2010 12:55pm
kowtow

Further to the UN and tazers discussion Greg Newbold ,criminologist ,was on Jim Mora and panel yesterday pm (national Radio) just before 5 and he was bloody good. I almost fell off my chair listening to some straight talk on crime on that station. It’s worth a listen.
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March 31, 2010 1:15pm
Put it away

LeftRightOut – so you would prefer to go through another seven months of incompetence to farcically vote for your choice of deckchair arrangement on the titanic, as the funnels disappear under the waves ?
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March 31, 2010 1:28pm
big bruv

Correction kowtow;

Greg Newbold, convicted criminal.
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March 31, 2010 1:28pm
Murray

Well you can’t have the steerage people sitting with fist class wackers like leftallbyhimself put it away.
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March 31, 2010 1:29pm
LeftRightOut

Put it away (661) Says:

March 31st, 2010 at 1:28 pm
LeftRightOut – so you would prefer to go through another seven months of incompetence to farcically vote for your choice of deckchair arrangement on the titanic, as the funnels disappear under the waves ?

I don’t see too much incompetence from ECAN; they have a tough job with flawed legislation. I do see some councillors need to go, and it is the righht of the elctorate to make that decision, not the Statists of the National party.

And I don’t see voting as “farcical”; I guess that’s the big difference between a genuine leftie and a state corporatist facist such as yourself.
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March 31, 2010 2:38pm
Pete George

“sitting with fist class wackers”

Did you really mean that? I suspect at least one typo, but this is a crackup anyway.
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March 31, 2010 2:43pm
Put it away

Genuine lefty all right – when reality and common sense contradicts ideology, reality and common sense must be wrong.
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March 31, 2010 4:02pm
Viking2

Mums Still Smacking, Want Law Change not Discretion – Poll

Family First NZ says that almost half of our mums of young children have admitted smacking illegally in the past 12 months, and three out of four mums want the government to adopt a law change rather than rely on police (and CYF) discretion.

These are the key finding of research commissioned by Family First NZ. The Curia Market Research poll surveyed 1,000 people, and also found continued confusion over the legal effect of the law.

“This poll confirms that the Prime Minister has not reassured parents. They are still concerned that he is willing to retain a law which he admits is a ‘dog’s breakfast’, badly drafted, extremely vague, and had to whip his MP’s to support.”

“Immediately following the referendum last year, polling showed 52% wanted a law change and 27% supported no law change but greater discretion as suggested by the PM. That has now almost returned to the 80% benchmark of opposition to the law that has been present for the past 5 years.”
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KEY FINDINGS
Extensive support for a law change across all demographics (4 out of 5 people)
3 out of 4 say the law is not at all likely to help reduce the rate of child abuse
Only 1/3’rd of respondents actually understand the law correctly
45% of mums of under 12’s have smacked illegally in past 12 months
1/4 of mums more likely to vote for political party that commits to changing law
_________________________________________________________________

“A law that requires so many compromises, guidelines, helplines, reviews, and parent education could be easily fixed with a simple amendment. That’s what parents deserve, what they want, and what the politicians should respect and act on,” says Mr McCoskrie.

As a result of this poll, Family First is continuing to call on the government to adopt ACT MP John Boscawen’s private members bill which is similar to National MP Chester Borrow’s proposed amendment. National MP’s were supporting this amendment until they were whipped to vote for Sue Bradford’s bill at the last minute.

The poll was conducted between 24 and 28 March 2010 and has a margin of error of +/- 3.2%.
Poll conducted by Curia.
Blog posted at 6.02am 31/3/10 on; http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=124&p=29251#p29251

Nothing on kiwiblog. HMMMM, odd I say. But we did get trivia today.
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March 31, 2010 8:29pm
Pete George

I saw something on the poll somewhere, it’s hardly a “wow, that demands action” sort of thing. It seems like a vehicle for FF to try and get some airtime again.

Does it do any analysis of different types of smacking? There is a big difference between a “smack” and a SMACK!

How important is a tweak that will hardly change anything? I know the last tweak has hardly changed anything either, but it has happened, it’s history.
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March 31, 2010 8:37pm
Viking2

So you like that every parent is almost automatically a criminal do you?

How about a sustained effort at civil disobedience then. We will all smack our kids next week and we will all witness our nieghbours doing the same and we will all call 111 and totally screw both the police system and the court system for the next 15 years.
Get a fucking brain.
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April 1, 2010 6:54am
Pete George

“every parent is almost automatically a criminal”

If you hadn’t cherry picked the poll you would have seen that :

The poll of 1000 people by Curia Market Research found that 44 per cent of parents of children under 12 admitted to smacking their children in the past year “to correct their behaviour when [they] believed it was reasonable and appropriate to do so”.

And that doesn’t differentiate between legal smacking and illegal smacking.

You would use kids as political punchbags?

And you would try to totally screw 111, the police system and the courts? That would do a lot for crime, wouldn’t it.

GAFB yourself.
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April 1, 2010 7:30am
Pete George

Family First NZ says that almost half of our mums of young children have admitted smacking illegally in the past 12 months

a) almost half
b) how many know what smacking is illegal or not?

I don’t like the law how it is, but I don’t see it as being an important issue.

The Family First website doesn’t have a working link to their press release. And there is no detail, just their cherry pickings. Most prominent on their website is a link to McCroskries Facebook page – how much credibility does someone have if they have this prominently on their Facebook page:

we can find 1,000,000 people who don’t believe in Evolution befor June

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1193302986
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