General Debate 28 March 2010

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Inventory2

The last days of the reign of the Clown of Campbell’s Bay?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/03/of-mayors-and-cars.html
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March 28, 2010 9:26am
jims_whare

Maybe they should rename April 1st Andrew Williams Day?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3517480/Call-for-North-Shore-mayor-to-quit
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March 28, 2010 9:27am
metcalph

Was he too drunk to figure out how his fly worked?
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March 28, 2010 9:28am
Dave Mann

A Fun Earth Hour:

We ran all our house lights last night as well as illuminating every outside security light and the deck, where we ate a delicious dinner with the stereo going. Outside in the drive we had 2 cars running with the headlights on full and the hazard lights going. Every 10 minutes or so we headed down to them and blasted the horns (2 horns are better than one because the resonance set up by the two different frequencies really carries).

A few houses away a guy had all his lights on and he revved his boat’s big outboard in answer to our horns.

Up the road we could hear whistling and shouting and even an overtly socialist/greenie type we are great friends with (seriously!) seemed to have his lights on too… but he didn’t rev his engines or anything. I don’t think the dark monks of the new religion had many converts in our neck of the woods last night.

This kind of response is NOT childish or stupid. It is a GENUINE and INTELLIGENT response to the mind-control nannies who started all this bullshit in the first place.

I am proud to be human and I am proud of the scientific and tehnological progress that humanity has achieved and I am damned if I am going to cringe in fear and guilt for any fucking green wanker. Next year I am thinking of hiring a searchlight.
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March 28, 2010 9:32am
dad4justice

metcalph ; he was only watering the tree while off his tree.
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March 28, 2010 9:33am
Inventory2

I’ve already given him a new nickname dad4j – The Takapuna Tree-Sprinkler 🙂
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March 28, 2010 9:34am
dad4justice

Haha 🙂
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March 28, 2010 9:35am
jims_whare

I wonder if he has a regular tab at the watering hole he goes to – prob with direct debit payment – also I wonder how many of those Stop Banks wine bottles are left? Hmm I wonder if anyone else got a taste of it? No wonder he’s pissed off at the greater auckland council plans as to come between a drunk and his alkie is like coming between a bear and her cubs……….what other job lets you book up bottles of wine on the company tab?……time for the men with white coats methinks.
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March 28, 2010 9:42am
grumpyoldhori

Damn, what an utter hypocrite that woman Bennett is, those on the DPB to work at least 15 hours a week or they will have their DPB cut in half, children going hungry , no problem.
So if a job is going at a brothel some young lass has to take it or see her kids go hungry.

Of course when Bennett was on the DPB she had the choice of getting an education with financial help, but she does not seem to believe other women should have that right.

What next, we on super having to work 15hrs a week, the Nats better count we old sods or cut off the age to vote at 65.

Hmm, strip mining in the national parks, not the best week for the Nats.
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March 28, 2010 9:53am
jims_whare

g/o/hori go back to bed …….obviously the cold morning has made you more cantankerous than normal………..what Bennet is doing is better than tax payers going hungry because the government taxes them to high heaven to pay for said solo to stay home with her feet up breeding delinquents.
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March 28, 2010 9:59am
LeftRightOut

That’s not the worst of it grumpoy. Its the doing it in the knowledge that the jobs don’t exist, in the knowledge that National is failing the nation in job creation and economic growth, they are seeing us going down the toilet even faster and are getting ready to roll over and have their tummies tickled by Chinese criminals.
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March 28, 2010 10:00am
muppet

So the father of Paula Bennett’s granddaughter gets deported on release from prison. I think that is reasonable. What I am really interested in is whether this is consistent with other cases or is this more to do with Bennett’s family situation.
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March 28, 2010 10:00am
jcuknz

I’m hosed off becuase last night I went to bed at 9.30 when the concert of FM99 finished instead of having all my lights on as I intended. I’d had a couple of extra glasses of wine last night but at lkeast I didn’t piss the lampost.

I tend to agree with GOH becuase as much as I am against abuse of welfare programmes it seems pretty stupid to require people to work or risk penalty when there is a serious shortage of jobs. I’d have a problem working 15 hours a week becuase I have to take a rest after just an hour in the garden. Maybe I could get a sickness benefit instead of super? I would have thought two or three hours at the brothel was more than equal to 15 hours elsewhere?
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March 28, 2010 10:15am
grumpyoldhori

jims_whare more cantankerous 🙂
Nope, I dislike politicians making a rule for others after she had sat on her extremely fat arse on the benefit.
Then she whined for the extra help available under the old scheme for getting DPB types an education.

Still, she would never be in any danger of being sent for a job at a brothel with all those bellies, she would have to be rolled in flour.

No surprise her daughter was in a trailer trash type relationship.
Fuck if she takes up religion she could be NZs Palin.
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March 28, 2010 10:23am
dad4justice

“Fuck if she takes up religion she could be NZs Palin.”

Blue mutton looks foolish dressed as lamb. Go Sarah go.
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March 28, 2010 10:28am
grumpyoldhori

jcuknz Yep, it is utterly bloody ridiculous when the jobs are not out there.
Now encouraging women to get an education I would agree with.

Being a grumpy old bastard I may ring Winz HQ to tell them I need twenty young solo mums to be sex workers in a brothel.

That will put those overpaid so called public servants on the spot.
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March 28, 2010 10:32am
Dirty Rat

Earth Day

Anti Earth Day

what a bunch of children.
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March 28, 2010 10:42am
Brian Harmer

jcuknz (380) Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am
I tend to agree with GOH because as much as I am against abuse of welfare programmes it seems pretty stupid to require people to work or risk penalty when there is a serious shortage of jobs.

I thought the requirement was that they had to have been making good faith attempts to get jobs, and should not have turned down any reasonable jobs offered. And we all know that no one is going to be penalised for refusing sex work, so enough with the red herrings!
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March 28, 2010 11:00am
Viking2

GOH, not so many blue moons ago some one set up in Ekatahuna doing just that and before that way up in the Far north a Dr changed his surgery to a brothel. The surgery failed, not sure if it wasn’t enough customers or practitioners. Don’t know how the Ekatahuna one is going.

So, if you can sign the gal;s, make sure you have got paying customers.
Might be better to borrow the whale’s and DPF’s winnebago and do like the Aussies are.
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March 28, 2010 11:02am
Jack5

New topic for a minute…

The “Bulldog” PR that seeks to build Police Minister Collins looked increasingly bogus on TV last night.

After yet another mob attack on police, the Police Association again called for firearms to be available in all patrol cars. Collins appeared to downplay this, suggesting that tasers would do the job as well.

If three constables faced by a raging mob taser a couple of people those police will likely be torn apart, or at very least, tasered themselves. In contrast, police firearms would calm by their deadly potential.

Why is Collins reluctant to allow police more ready access to firearms? How many police have to be battered or perhaps killed before the Government acts?

Guns in cars is not full-scale arming of the police. Who is National polling if it thinks the public opposes police being able to protect themselves, then protect the law abiding majority?

When the facts come out why the wounded Indian shopkeeper was left to die, and all citizens realise they may similarly be left exposed and unprotected, there will be widespread demand for firearms in all patrol cars.

The link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634840
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March 28, 2010 11:07am
Jack5

Grumpy posted at 10.32 am:

…I may ring Winz HQ to tell them I need twenty young solo mums …

What? Only 20, Grumpy? Are you off your oats at the moment?
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March 28, 2010 11:18am
Murray

Solo mothers FORECED into prostitution by evil right wing government!!!!

No fucking hysteria there at all. So me one case of of WINZ requiring someone (boys can be prostitutes too grumpy, you should know that) and I’ll personally got to Bennets office and demand her resignation for you.

get.a.grip

BTW I think you’ll find your accusations of hypocracy fall outside the required definition as Paula puts in slightly more than 15 hours and rahter demonstrated an aptitude for getting herself of the wealfare system.
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March 28, 2010 11:22am
cha

Just watch them close ranks, sigh…..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/religion-and-beliefs/news/article.cfm?c_id=301&objectid=10634841&pnum=0
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March 28, 2010 11:27am
kowtow

Dave Mann @932
I really enjoyed that post. We turned on all our lights for the hour too.
Note TV3 ran the apocalyptic movie The Day After Tomorrow during the hour,coincidence?
And TVNZ news this morning were reporting that NZ was first in the world …..again,such bollocks.

What galls me is councils pushing this rubbish for one hour while wasting money for the rest of the year on junkets, sister cities ,lit up town halls,fire work displays etc and the fricken MSM who peddle climate change while endorsing the most wasteful “lifestyles” possible.
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March 28, 2010 11:30am
Viking2

Nah, another unbalanced solo mother masquerading as well rounded knowledgeable person with good and stable personal relationships.

Spare us the crap from these people who really have had an excuse for a life of good relationships. The country is full of these sorts telling others what to do. Mostly they haven’t succeeded in their relationships them selves and bugger off to a state sponsored social course of some kind so they can boss men around.

Next step join the choice of two socialist parties and extract their revenge on everyone.
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March 28, 2010 11:31am
JiveKitty

@Dave Mann: I’d have thought the best response would’ve been to ignore it. It’s just a token gesture thought up to give people who feel they’re concerned about such issues license to not do anything about the waste in their lives the rest of the time. By participating in Earth Hour and maybe giving a donation to some ineffective and divisive international organisation – who’re too busy with their “causes” to actually direct people to simple and practical ways to reduce wastefulness in their daily lives – a significant number of these people can feel they’ve done their bit for saving the planet without actually doing anything substantive. It’s all about moral superiority for most of them and ignoring them is probably a better way to make them disappear, as acting antagonistically may get their backs up and the next year they might just have to up the ante by making it “bigger” and “better” than ever before.

That said, I did inadvertently participate in Earth Hour when it was in its first year because I hadn’t bothered to turn the lights on when I was watching TV. Yep, I’m pretty awesome alright.

Anyone got any thoughts on the report into the so-called “Green” cars: http://www.voxy.co.nz/technology/electric-cars-harm-environment-report/5/43099
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March 28, 2010 11:42am
side show bob

Yeah, go Dave Mann. I’m with you, Earth hour is the biggest load of horseshit one could think of. Earth hour was celebrated at our place with all the lights on and all the speakers set a full noise. And Kowton is dead right the MSM are governed by mindless brain dead lefty fuckwits. It’s a pity Earth Hour wasn’t between 6.00 & 7.00 pm, would have being happy to turn off the idiot box, sick of the mindless drones telling us we are all doomed. I wonder if they really believe some of the shit they call news. I live about a k from the coast, still waiting for the sea to rise so I can flog off some coastal real estate but regrettably I suspect I’ll be pushing up daisies long before that happens.
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March 28, 2010 12:03pm
Dave Mann

JiveKitty, you make a good point about participants in Earth Hour not actually doing anything substantive. However, the mind-control propaganda of this slick PR stunt has been so successful that the whole planet has been sucked into it and I don’t think answering them in this way will make them worse at all.

Well done the Racket Bar with their Power Hour. In fact, I would be interested to see if we could increase the level of REAL opposition to this sick human-hating mindfuck for next year. How about a searchlight on top of Mt Eden and a helicopter fly-over of the city with some pics of lights to counter the earth Hour PR?
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March 28, 2010 12:04pm
krazykiwi

Apropos DPB and 15hrs work… perhaps we give our citizens the choice – Welfare and no minimum wage, or no welfare and a minimum wage. I dare say this would create 10’s of thousands of new jobs overnight. The pinkos would scream of course – they regard increasing the minimum wage as a cornerstone of an improved economy. Plonkers
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March 28, 2010 12:05pm
Put it away

Was anyone listening to National Radio before ? They had Peter Williams on, talking even more nonsensical wet-bus-ticket theories than usual. Silliest one was a scheme to take gang members and give them farmland and they’ll all turn into happy farmers living out in the sticks. I think the man is losing whatever marbles he ever had. And the “three strikes” policy is going to lead to homosexuality and disease, and there was an abusrd non-sequitur about an alleged case where a nine year old boy was hanged for shoplifting in England. He didn’t specify any names or dates, but this must have been at least 200 years ago. Just completely nuts. Googling turns up nothing on it. The good news is, he’s retiring. Then a bit later on, they had Bob Jones on who talked nothing but sense the whole time. What a contrast.
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March 28, 2010 12:20pm
eszett

This kind of response is NOT childish or stupid. It is a GENUINE and INTELLIGENT response to the mind-control nannies who started all this bullshit in the first place.

So, someone suggest to do something that you do not agree with. And what do you do. Exactly the opposite, just out of spite and even though it is to your personal detriment (cost wise).

Well, that is the definition of stupid and childish behavior. And GENUINELY NOT INTELLIGENT.

I am proud to be human and I am proud of the scientific and tehnological progress that humanity has achieved and I am damned if I am going to cringe in fear and guilt for any fucking green wanker. Next year I am thinking of hiring a searchlight.

Earth Hour is not anti-progress or anti-scientific. Quite the contrary. It actually wants us to be more aware of the consequences of our technology and develop it in a way that it becomes less polluting and more sustainable.

Now, i don’t thing Earth Hour is the way to go and that it is far too symbolic and feel-good exercise, but the motivation behind it is surely not malevolent as you put it. No one forces you to go along. You can just ignore it. But to do just the opposite makes you look like a sulky little child.

The dim post has a hit it spot on. http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/sunday-bobbleheads-9/
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March 28, 2010 1:15pm
Caleb

no jobs my arse.

there are over 10000 seasonal workers in hawkes bay right now.

backpackers, pacific islanders, asians… all here filling a labour shortage!

most will be pocketing between $400 to $1000 a week.

are there any kiwis unemployed in hawkes bay?
anyone on the sickness benefit too sick to work?
any on the dpb that cant work 15hrs?

sad.
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March 28, 2010 1:24pm
Fletch

Poll results from YahooXtra –

Did you switch off for Earth Hour?

Yes – I turned off the lights and the TV 27% 1208 votes
No – It doesn’t make a difference 73% 3232 votes
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March 28, 2010 1:27pm
calendar girl

GOH: Your contention about solo mums being forced into prostitution is even more stupid than many of your contributions. You really show your style, however, with your insulting comments about the Minister’s personal appearance. You can disagree forcefully with her views or policies (that’s your right) without making a total dork of yourself.

If you need help, read Brian Harmer at 11.00am for a realistic assessment.
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March 28, 2010 1:29pm
thedavincimode

Caleb

You’ve forgotten the dairy cockies who can’t find PERMANENT & RELIABLE Kiwi employees and have resorted to bringing them in from overseas – that’s not just in Hawke’s Bay – reliable dairy workers are a nation-wide problem.
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March 28, 2010 1:37pm
Caleb

social welfare is permanent & reliable….
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March 28, 2010 1:56pm
Luc Hansen

Dave Mann said:

sick human-hating mindfuck

Are you referring to those who actually care about what we bequeath to future generations of our descendants, or those who prefer to hail their own profound ignorance as the new black, and wallow in the sludge of callous disregard of the dangers global warming presents to humans and most other species.

There actually will be some temporary winners as temperatures rise, that’s true, but in the end all will suffer, and so-called adaptation will be at the expense of the poorest and the weakest.

Nothing new to the fanatics that abound around here, I suppose.
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March 28, 2010 2:05pm
Komata

Our resident environmentally-aware, NZ Green-party supporting amphibian seems to have vanished (Toad: misssing for three days). Should we be cheering or fearing?

Either way, ‘The Question’ still waits.

Damocles, Sword of, anyone?

We’re waitinnnnnng.
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March 28, 2010 2:07pm
Hurf Durf

Today Paul Holmes sez Barky’s poll ratings are “heading north.” What world is Paul Holmes living in? The same one where he thought his audience would go with him to Prime?
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March 28, 2010 2:11pm
krazykiwi

Are you referring to those who actually care about what we bequeath to future generations of our descendants

I’m bequeathing to my children a sense of purpose (not a sense of fear), a sense of optimism (not chicken little pessimism), and a sense of duty that they should both use the world, and serve their fellow inhabitants as they think best. I’m also teaching them to push back against morally bereft attempts from national and global government agencies who work to control our lives via the ‘threat de jour’ … the ‘threat’ of AGW purported leading a catastrophic end of civilisation being the latest of these frauds to be exposed.
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March 28, 2010 2:20pm
Hurf Durf

Have we started mining yet? And if not, why not? We can dump the waste of sillyoldtwat’s, billybonkers’ and eszett’s doorstop. Problem solved.
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March 28, 2010 2:20pm
LeftRightOut

Have we already mined all the minerals outside antional parks? if not, why not? We could demolish KK and Hurfchunder’s houses while we dig. Problem Solvered.
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March 28, 2010 2:32pm
Jack5

New topic for a moment…

Regardless what you think of letting modest, discreet, and careful mining within national parks and the country’s vast DOC estate, you have to wonder about the over-the-top claims of enormous mineral wealth in NZ. These are being spouted by Gerry Brownlee, who is doubtlessly being fed up with bogus guesstimates by bureaucrats.

Brownlee’s claims are going to haunt him before the next election.

Before you swallow the bullshit that NZ mineral riches are second per head only to Saudi Arabia’s, consider this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/3509183/Mining-figures-made-up
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March 28, 2010 2:39pm
grumpyoldhori

calendar girl, insulting about Bennett, hardly, statement of fact.
If she like other politicians is too damn lazy to exercise and eat less, that is to damn bad.
I have to be sensitive toward the minister because she has a tinge of brown and may have her feelings hurt, well that’s tough.

You are forgetting the Sir Ed rule, all politicians are self serving.
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March 28, 2010 2:44pm
Hurf Durf

I ain’t got any minerals under my house, billy, else I would have sold the land rather than built a house on it. Fission Mailed, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
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March 28, 2010 2:49pm
krazykiwi

Jack5 – I would imagine there’s an overload of conjecture and misinformation on both side of the debate. If mining can be done sensitively (ie within reasonable and agreed constraints) then let the economics dictate how much is carried out and where.

Still, there are those who objected to mining in any form on principle. Fair enough I guess… but do wonder how many of those folks wear any gold, silver or gem stones. Perhaps anyone so principled would be kind enough to surrender any of their personal property of that nature to central government to help support the bloated welfare state that has us borrowing $1b/month. Perhaps we wouldn’t need to hope for as much mining success!
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March 28, 2010 2:55pm
grumpyoldhori

thedavincimode the cockies wonder why Kiwis will not take a job that does not pay the minimum wage in a lot of cases.
Instead of whining about the cockies plight go and do a seventy hour week for fuck all for them.

Fuck the cockies, if they cannot pay competitive wages they should be out of the business
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March 28, 2010 2:59pm
krazykiwi

grumpyoldhori – you confuse the terms ‘competitive’ with ‘state determined minimum’. They are not the same thing.
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March 28, 2010 3:14pm
LeftRightOut

grumpy, don’t forget tha in the world inhabited by krazygetstaffed, a competetive wage is the absloute lowest that can be paid. These people are all about seeing the lesser paid win in the race to the bottom.
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March 28, 2010 3:17pm
Caleb

you get paid what your worth.

try harder.
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March 28, 2010 3:31pm
krazykiwi

@Caleb – Exactly!

@LRO – Your last-century ideology doesn’t let you consider, let alone comprehend competition. Which is a pity. As an aside, I wonder how many of the world’s high wage-growth economies have minimum wages which track up that growth? Serious question, and I’m sure folks could find isolated examples to cite for and against. My hunch is that economies that are growing rapidly have dynamic, eager workforces without wage minimums. Hardly a description of the beneficiary-laden environment here in NZ.
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March 28, 2010 3:40pm
dime

“So if a job is going at a brothel some young lass has to take it or see her kids go hungry.”

fuck i hope so! that would be hot.

i think they have the option of studying instead of working though.
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March 28, 2010 3:41pm
menace

Caleb, i was in nelson last year and after the apples and kiwi fruit i couldn’t find shit man, every day id ask another place or a few, also everyday i would drive by the islanders doing my job for cheaper. hats of to the islander themselves of course, but fuck my government for this shit man, ive got good morals and wont take the dole, but i must say there’s a good chance that will change in the future, when there’s non residents here doing my jobs and only in the country for the purpose of work that don’t fucken gel with me at all.

As for dairy farming ive had a couple of mates try there hand at that, good workers, they hold there jobs down, but for both of them dairy farming was just too crappy work and so they moved onto the next jobs
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March 28, 2010 4:06pm
Kris K

Re: beneficiaries being forced into prostitution.

Is this really that absurd?

We have legalised/legitimised prostitution as a valid way of earning a living – it’s ‘just another job’.
So if there was a market for such endeavours, and someone met the prescribed market requirements, why wouldn’t rejecting prostitution be classed as rejecting a ‘valid’ employment opportunity; and hence the concerned beneficiary could have their benefit cut off as a result?

I think there is some validity to Grumpy’s (9:53 am) claims in this regard.
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March 28, 2010 4:17pm
Inventory2

Interesting point Kris – the lefties here are trying to suggest that it is wrong to leave women with no option but to prostitute themselves, but of course if was the Labour government which decriminalised prostitution in its first term post-1999.

I think the pots and the kettles are falling over one another 😉
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March 28, 2010 4:22pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Other all-legal job opportunities for those turning down prostitute work –
• church related occupations for Atheists
• freezing worker or slaughter chain for vegetarians
• tobacco products for ex smokers or just non smokers
• brewery/bar job for an alcoholic
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March 28, 2010 4:37pm
menace

not just job descriptions either, there’s also the issue of people in late twenties or older being forced into minimum wage jobs.
witch to me personally is not acceptable.
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March 28, 2010 4:41pm
krazykiwi

menace, so you’re saying that older people are ‘worth more’ than younger people? Perhaps we should abandon the silly notion of value based on expertise and just pay based on age eh? My 100+ year old grandparent should agree with you, but is almost certainly wise enough not to.
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March 28, 2010 5:09pm
grumpyoldhori

Murray, Bennett off welfare, come off it, she has never worked in a private field where one has to make a profit to survive.
Being a minister handing out taxpayers loot is difficult ?

Nope, the woman believed that she was owed extra help when she was studying ? social work, but she now believes that other solo mums do not deserve it.
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March 28, 2010 5:23pm
menace

@krazykiwi, if you cant comprehend with your mind what the general meaning of my post is then it is not intended for you to read.
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March 28, 2010 6:33pm
krazykiwi

menace, I would still would like you to explain why older people should be paid more than younger ones? In your own time…
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March 28, 2010 6:37pm
menace

lets put it this way, if a boy out of school at the age of 16 years and 1 day old is worth as much as me at the age of 32 then there is something wrong. If you believe otherwise, well, we all create our own realities I suppose.
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March 28, 2010 6:42pm
krazykiwi

menace, it depends what your skills are. There may be things that you’re better at than said 16 years old, and vice versa. Either of you should be paid for your relevant skills, experience and attitudes. That is reality, irrespective of whether or not it’s a palatable one for you.
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March 28, 2010 6:55pm
menace

krazykiwi, “experience and attitudes”(etc) and there will be extremely few cases when a 16 year old will have more of these things than a 32 year old, hence you prove my point. This said there is many many fuckwit boss’s out there that will try pay everybody nothing. I take it that you are one of the ones that say “life’s not fair”? Well there is the odd occasion when i have had to take a minimum wage job, by the end of my short stints in these cases i have illustrated that exact point(lifes not fair) to those scabby fuckwit boss’s too.
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March 28, 2010 8:13pm
calendar girl

GOH at 2:44pm: You persist with personal insults against Bennett, and now add a hint of racism, but you kid yourself if you think your base prejudices constitute a “statement of fact”.

GOH @ 2:53pm: “… she has never worked in a private field where one has to make a profit to survive.” Why are you too lazy to do the simplist research into her background before you sound off? If you did, you would find that she had worked in hospitality, secretarial and retail roles, then after university she had HR clients in sectors that included banking, finance and manufacturing. So it sounds as though she has worked and survived in the private sector. Like to offer your apology now?
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March 28, 2010 8:27pm
Hurf Durf

SillyOldTwat never admits he’s wrong, calendar girl.
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March 28, 2010 8:29pm
JiveKitty

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3517481/Solo-mum-racks-up-36-years-on-benefit
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March 28, 2010 8:31pm
nickb

calendar girl, grumpyoldmoron is just a sicko-watching obamalover, take no notice of him, or better yet, add him to your RIP list
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March 28, 2010 8:39pm
Hurf Durf

The only thing worse than a cheating bastard is a useless cheating bastard like Mark Webber.
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March 28, 2010 8:40pm
krazykiwi

Heh – Every hour is Earth Hour in North Korea. 🙂
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March 28, 2010 10:08pm
krazykiwi

Seen those Energy Star energy efficiency labels on products? It’s easy to get them for your own product. Just apply and the logo is yours to use and abuse as you see fit.

Phony products impress federal energy program
WASHINGTON – Fifteen phony products — including a gasoline-powered alarm clock — won a label from the government certifying them as energy efficient in a test of the federal “Energy Star” program.
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March 28, 2010 10:15pm
Dirty Rat

Dave Mann

If there is an international “Peace Day “, would you go out and slaughter a few Chinese Hookers ?
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March 28, 2010 10:17pm
krazykiwi

@menace –

krazykiwi, “experience and attitudes”(etc) and there will be extremely few cases when a 16 year old will have more of these things than a 32 year old, hence you prove my point.

No – I don’t prove your point at all.

My 18yr old is able to write and play music. I can’t.
My 18yr old is able to cook exceptionally. I can’t.
My 18yr old is able to factorise quadratic equations. I can’t.
My 18yr old is able to bench press more than I.
My 18yr old is able to run faster & further than I.
My 18yr old is able to sew. I can’t.
My 18yr old has better fine motor skills than I.

So… my 18yr old has significantly more experience in these and other things than I. It would be insulting for me to be paid more for a job that required one or all of these capabilities simply because I’m more than two decades older.
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