General Debate 23 March 2010

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toad

Nothing about mining since the announcement DPF?
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March 23, 2010 10:26am
big bruv

Time for the Nat’s to select a new candidate for the seat of Auckland central.

What Kaye is doing in the National party has never been clear.
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March 23, 2010 10:26am
toad

I’m really looking forward to John Banks lying down in front of a bulldozer.

The headline: “Supercity Mayor Aspirations Crushed”.
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March 23, 2010 10:28am
trout

This is your Captain speaking:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/qantas-kept-sick-pilot-in-the-sky-20100322-qr9t.html
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March 23, 2010 10:30am
philu

toad..you plagiarist/thief..!

you just knicked that ‘aspirations crushed’ line from a commenter at frogblog..!

what a fucken nerve..!

(can’t think up yr own one-liners..eh..?..have to knick other peoples..?

whoar..!

toad-the-plagiarist..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 23, 2010 10:33am
toad

Come on phil – the first half was mine, I borrowed the second half for here because it added to it. Do you really think we should be giving hat tips to commentors on other blogs in comments? For the record, I always give hat tips in posts (not comments) I make on g.blog.
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March 23, 2010 10:39am
philu

here is the evidence:..

at 10.02 am..

“..sprout
Posted March 23, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Headlines: “Supercity Mayor Aspirations Crushed”, but what a way to go!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 (0)..”

and then..at 10.28…toad decides that (quite worthwhile) one-liner..

..is his to trot out..

whoar..!

eh..?

he ain’t arf brazen..eh..?..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 23, 2010 10:41am
philu

“..I borrowed the second half for here because it added to it..”

um..!..your line was the (somewhat pedestrian..ahem!) ‘i’m looking forward to seeing john banks lie down in front of a biulldozer’..

(cue wan smile..)

the ‘joke’..entirely belongs to trout..

as anyone reading this..will clearly see..

..eh..?

you knicked it..and have been ‘sprung’..

..end of story..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 23, 2010 10:45am
NOt1tocommentoften

Not end of story phil. There wasn’t one in the first place. Get a life.
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March 23, 2010 10:47am
Tassman

To mine the eighth wonder of the universe is pure ignorance or extreme indoxication by power… This guy has finally done himself in, his axe is falling upon himself… Bye bye National!
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March 23, 2010 10:51am
3-coil

Great to see Tiger Woods fronting up for another interview on TV1 news last night. Not so sure about his comment “…after treatment…I’m getting back to my old roots” though – maybe a Tiger never changes his stripes.
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March 23, 2010 10:53am
big bruv

What a lot of rubbish Tassman, while a few vocal critics will make some noise about mining the reality is that most Kiwis know we cannot afford to ignore these vast riches.

The choice facing the government is an easy one, dig up the wealth or keep borrowing billions and billions.

Dig baby dig.
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March 23, 2010 10:54am
Tassman

Yeah, the paper economy needs some developments even if it’s all hot air to inflate a bigger bubble. We’re lucky if we ever see the sight of any money when it’s headed overseas and invested in private companies. And from history, we know he has bought and sold resources for his own while a PM…
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March 23, 2010 10:59am
bearhunter

It’s the “vast riches” bit that gets me. Maybe there is $18 billion worth of gold and silver in the Coromandel, but how much of it will go into the Government’s coffers? I assume the (foreign owned) mining companies will take the lion’s share, so what’s the rake off for NZ worth? This is a genuine question by the way. I am a bit concerned over the figures Gerry Brownlee is throwing around. It might be worth digging if the country was to earn $18 billion, but not if it was only getting a small percentage of the worth.
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March 23, 2010 11:04am
Pete George

It’s not that we have suddenly discovered all this mineral wealth. The easy stuff was recovered long ago, most if not all of what is left is lower grade, the reason why it is still there is because of higher costs of recovery.

But if some of has become viable due to newer recovery techniques and international companies do the work and earn the profits it can still result in a lot of employment, and business for support companies.
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March 23, 2010 11:10am
Whoops

Is there any written guarantees of minimum levels of returns to NZ from the mining companies (and penalties if they fall short) before allowing mining to take place?
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March 23, 2010 11:15am
Inventory2

What is it with the Greens and their silly names at their blog? Toad, Frog, Sprout … I daresay if you looked far enough (I have no desire to 🙂 ) you’d find Alfafa, Mungbean, and maybe even Tofu …..
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March 23, 2010 11:16am
big bruv

It fucking amazes me that the very same pinko’s who moan about the prospect of mining 0.2 of our national parks are the same wankers who think that we as a nation can continue with the welfare state in its current form.

The choices are these as I see it…

1. Mine and let the nation share in the wealth

2. Do not mine, slash government spending and tax payer funded services.

Opposition to mining is not based on environmental issues, it is all about keeping the nation poor and keeping taxes high.
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March 23, 2010 11:17am
Bryla

I hear that GCSB has been given a budget increase from $47m to $72m so they can build themselves a new building. I wonder what the security will be like? And if they can keep its location secret from the media – whom they chased away yesterday.

I also read reports that your PM is mentioning the possibility of changing the Crimes Act to remove the claim of right as a defence.

Now don’t get me wrong, I love the way media and politicians run around like headless chooks whenever something happens they don’t understand but, really, the reaction since Wednesday to a single jury verdict on the facts puts you all to shame. Why isn’t the GCSB accountable, and answering for its security failures.

Australia’s starting to look good.
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March 23, 2010 11:19am
philu

i mean..’inventory2′..tee-hee..!

wtf is that all about..?

(i’m picking..anal-retentive..’cos of how the 2 is squashed up against the y..

not a ‘free-thinker’..you’d think..?

virgo..?..or capricorn..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 23, 2010 11:19am
david

Can one of the anti-mining people explain how “saving the treasure for the next generation” or “squandering the wealth of the next generation” isn’t just turning the mining proposal into a timing issue. please explain ….. pretty please.

If it is a matter of “now” or “then” I vote for “now”.
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March 23, 2010 11:19am
Whoops

David – re: now vs then

Why do you say that? Given the likely increases in value of such resources… perhaps there’s a strategic calculation to be made (i.e. leave the oil in the ground till it’s worth $500/bbl)?

The minimal returns this activity will generate now won’t be the ‘saving of NZ’ and aren’t likely to allow us to catch the Aussie’s (especially if some/most of the profits from the activity will go to Aussie firms).

nb; not anti mining, just turning your question around to ask why you think now is better than later.
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March 23, 2010 11:28am
RKBee

Both Kaye Auckland central for National and former National MP John Banks both against National mining DoC land.
Phuck party loyalties its all about the Auckland vote.. TV1 poll 50% for 50% against National mining DoC land.
They now have more than a 50-50 chance.. of being elected. When most Aucklanders leave in the weekends to places like the green belts like the Coromandel Peninsula to get away from Aucklands traffic chaos and pollution.
They know you don’t phuck with the Aucklanders playgrounds if you want votes.
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March 23, 2010 11:29am
Banana Llama

I keep thinking of Rome and latifundia when i look at the who is doing the mining, doubt i could explain it to you in a lucid manner though david.
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March 23, 2010 11:31am
wreck1080

The leaky building costs are set to land on council ratepayers.

Not sure this is totally fair, as the councils were working according to government guidelines right?

If the estimated cost of 10 to 20 billion is correct, we are in for a bit of trouble.

This makes the kiwirail / acc woes look rather trivial.

The failure of building and construction regulators is astonishing. We should have a law change going after these peoples assets.
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March 23, 2010 11:33am
KiwiGreg

“Why do you say that? Given the likely increases in value of such resources… perhaps there’s a strategic calculation to be made (i.e. leave the oil in the ground till it’s worth $500/bbl)?”

Gee if we think that as a nation lets tax ourselves to get some money and just go long on all commodities. We can live off our earnings for years!! With leverage we can make even more. Guaranteed!!!

“The minimal returns this activity will generate now won’t be the ’saving of NZ’ and aren’t likely to allow us to catch the Aussie’s (especially if some/most of the profits from the activity will go to Aussie firms).”

Why “minimal returns”. And returns to whom?
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March 23, 2010 11:34am
Whoops

Kiwigreg – thanks for your well reasoned input.

Go long on all commodities? eh? Hardly the same thing. You = fail.

A couple of billion… pfft. Minimal.

To whom? yes… exactly. Thanks for agreeing.
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March 23, 2010 11:38am
davidp

bryla>And if they can keep its location secret from the media – whom they chased away yesterday.

It’s no secret where the building is being built. It isn’t far from parliament.

You’re a strange little man.
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March 23, 2010 11:44am
davidp

Whoops>Given the likely increases in value of such resources… perhaps there’s a strategic calculation to be made (i.e. leave the oil in the ground till it’s worth $500/bbl)?

The history of the world economy shows that resources never run out, and replacements for resources are usually (always?) cheaper and better than the old resource. The bronze age didn’t end because people ran out of bronze. And bronze isn’t expensive today. Instead, the bronze age ended because people worked out how to mine and produce iron.

At some stage, someone will make a better and cheaper replacement for oil. Any oil still in the ground then will be suddenly worthless. We’d be better to extract and sell it now while it is worth something.
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March 23, 2010 11:48am
Kris K

wreck1080 11:33 am,

The leaky building costs are set to land on council ratepayers.

Not sure this is totally fair, as the councils were working according to government guidelines right?

Perhaps so, but they’re the ones that issue the permits, and on that basis alone they have a duty of care – both to developers (keep out the cowboys) and the eventual owners (safety, strength, minimise maintenence/rot, etc).

And I’m pretty certain most of the leaky buildings were in Auckland (on a per head capita basis), and so why should the rest of the country (taxpayers through the government picking up the tab) have to pay. Councils (and thus ratepayers) picking up the tab keeps the costs in line with regional costs where the bad building practices/permits occurred/were issued. Surely this is the most equitable solution for the man in the street – wherever he may live.
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March 23, 2010 11:50am
Brian Smaller

Bryla – why don’t you do us all a favour, and to paraphrase Muldoon, go to Australia and improve the average IQs in both countries.

Wreck wrote

The leaky building costs are set to land on council ratepayers.

Not sure this is totally fair, as the councils were working according to government guidelines right?

If the estimated cost of 10 to 20 billion is correct, we are in for a bit of trouble.

This makes the kiwirail / acc woes look rather trivial.

The failure of building and construction regulators is astonishing. We should have a law change going after these peoples assets.

wrceck1080 – this pisses me off. I should not have to pay one cent for other people’s building misadventures. All those big houses with no flashings on teh windows, internal gutters etc etc. Their problem, not mine. I checked out my house before I bought it.
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March 23, 2010 11:51am
grumpyoldhori

Obama, The Duke of Wellington ?
Dear frothing at the mouth right wingers, if you are going to spout that health reform will be Obama’s Waterloo, make sure you do not attack that thin red line in columns, for you will be shot to pieces
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March 23, 2010 11:55am
Bryla

Actuall davidp, I’m a strange large man. Do you have any evidence AT ALL that GCSB has ever materially improved the security of NZ? Do you have any evidence AT ALL that they could find their own backside in the dark – even if they had a torch and a friend with a map?

Thought not.

Have no fear, I go home tomorrow. Be prepared for the surge in nonviolent interventionary action in both our countries.

Bwah hah hah hah hah!!!!!!!!!!!!
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March 23, 2010 12:10pm
david

Whoops, sorry about the delay – work to do and all that but I see that davidp and kiwigreg held the fort.

Why now rather than later?

1. I’m not a gambler so I would take a certainty now rather than an uncertainty at asome unspecified time in the future. For the same reason I would take forward exchange cover only when I have a transaction to match it to.

2. Compound interest effect. Better to start getting cash in early – it will certainly be worth a lot more in the future if invested wisely.

3. The multiplier effect. The multiplier effect of course defines the spin-off benefits of a dollar spent now. There are no spin-offs if the dollar is not spent until an unspecified time in the future.

4. I’m just a little bit selfish

Still it is good that you do not oppose mining on conservation land per se and that for you it is a matter not of “if” but of “when”.
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March 23, 2010 12:30pm
davidp

bryla>Do you have any evidence AT ALL that GCSB has ever materially improved the security of NZ?

GCSB is one of a number of NZ intelligence agencies. Their job is to gather information to assist the NZ government to develop and implement its foreign policy. This might involve security (which seems to be your particular obsession), but it also involves political, economic, trade, and criminal intelligence. Governments, both National and Labour led, must value this contribution to foreign policy or they wouldn’t continue to fund intelligence collection. It’s completely obvious that informed policy making is better than uninformed policy making.

You seem to believe that governments should blunder about the world stage with no idea what is going on, other than what is available from foreign government press releases and official diplomatic communications. That’s the sort of hopeless naivety that you’d expect from a 13 year old emo girl. But the rest of us live in the real world.

bryla>Be prepared for the surge in nonviolent interventionary action in both our countries.

Be prepared for NZ to continue to collect intelligence and to expand (as you’ve noted) our ability to collect and analyse intelligence. Be prepared for NZ to continue to involve itself in armed conflict in Aghanistan, Iraq, East Timor, the Balkans, the Solomon Islands, and anywhere else where NZ’s foreign policy interests align with our allies. And be prepared for National led governments, Labour led governments, and the people of NZ to support our own foreign policy. Not that of an Australian god-botherer. You may have damaged a dome, but you failed to change anything. Epic fail!
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March 23, 2010 1:00pm
davidp

david>3. The multiplier effect. The multiplier effect of course defines the spin-off benefits of a dollar spent now. There are no spin-offs if the dollar is not spent until an unspecified time in the future.

If a primitive person had dug up a dollar of bronze in 1000 BC and invested the dollar at 3pct compounding, then his or her descendants would have 3 x 10^38 dollars 😉 Even assuming a 1pct margin over inflation, these people would have 9 x 10^12 dollars.

If the primitive person had left the dollar of bronze in the ground, then that bronze would still be worth about a dollar.

(And yeah, I know you don’t mine bronze… it’s a thought exercise.)
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March 23, 2010 1:11pm
david

What you describe davidp is the compound interest effect. The multiplier says that if I spend a dollar, the person that receives it will save some, pay some in tax (possibly), and spend the balance (say 80c e.g.) Of that 80c some gets saved some gets spent etc etc. So one dollar spent by me becomes possibly 3 or 4 dollars of spending (i.e. economic activity) even the taxes get paid out in wages, welfare benefits and the purchase of goods and services and so the money goes round. The faster it goes round, the greater is the multiplier in a given time period. What remains however is that if the dollar is not spent, it cannot multiply into greater economic activity.

And that is what the anti- brigade can never get their heads around or explain.

The deferrers don’t see that creating economic activity now is more beneficial for the economy (i.e. the collection of people who participate in economic activity) than keeping the wealth in the ground until some later unspecified date.

The greenies won’t even talk about rational economic arguments because they can only defend their position by saying that they wish to choke the economy (i.e. the collection of people who participate in economic activity) and return us to the stone age all the while they are tapping on their plastic computer keyboards, on the copper wire internet, with gold and silver connections and silicon chips.

Go figure.
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March 23, 2010 1:41pm
Put it away

Phool’s dream is over http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3490767/Welfare-crackdown-Solo-parents-targeted
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March 23, 2010 1:52pm
bearhunter

Grumpyoldhori: “if you are going to spout that health reform will be Obama’s Waterloo, make sure you do not attack that thin red line in columns, for you will be shot to pieces”

Alas, the Thin Red Line fought at Balaclava in 1854, not Waterloo in 1815. And it wasn’t attacked by columns but by a cavalry charge.
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March 23, 2010 1:57pm
Inventory2

Indeed Put it away – seven words from Paula Bennett which should make Phil’s bowels quiver, and his legs turn to jelly

Welfare should not be a lifestyle choice.
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March 23, 2010 2:00pm
Murray

The thin red is an expression based on the British defensive formation of lines of two or three ranks using precision volley fire where other armies tended to operate in column, particularly the French who dominated Europe with the pais de charge smashing everything in its way. Witt the notable exception of the British infantry who just for the hell of it trained with live ammunition. (Money spent of defence in peace time is not wasted.)

It was first coined in relation to Balaclava, but they were facing Russian cavalry, not infantry columns so contextually Waterloo is acceptable. Technically the “thin red line” fought from Flanders to Flanders (work it out for yourself).

Anyway its still not an entirely appropriate analogy. Health Care is Obamas Dien Bien Phu. A clustrfuck entirely of his own making.
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March 23, 2010 3:14pm
Bryla

davidp – “might involve” and “must value” are forms of conjecture, not evidence.

So your answer to my question is” No, I don’t have any evidence the GCSB has contributed to NZ security”.

Thanx for that.
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March 23, 2010 3:45pm
KiwiGreg

“Go long on all commodities? eh? Hardly the same thing. You = fail.”

@ whoops not sure why you say that. If you think the price of commodities is going up then go long on them. If you think they are going down, short them.
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March 23, 2010 3:50pm
MikeMan

I can see some screams from this as well.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/3495511/English-signals-tax-crackdown#share
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March 23, 2010 3:51pm
niggly

Bryla (57) Says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am
I hear that GCSB has been given a budget increase from $47m to $72m so they can build themselves a new building.

WHAT? The GSCB are getting A NEW building?

That’s outrageous!!!

… They should be getting at least 10 NEW BUILDINGS! 🙂

Preferably near any peacenik hippy camps!
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March 23, 2010 3:54pm
davidp

bryla>So your answer to my question is” No, I don’t have any evidence the GCSB has contributed to NZ security”.

My answer was that the question was irrelevant. GCSB is a tool of foreign policy, rather than of security. I don’t have evidence that GCSB has helped inform NZ’s foreign policy, since GCSB’s advice to government is (by definition) secret. However the odds are close to zero that GCSB has never made a single useful contribution to NZ’s foreign policy interests in 33 years of operation BUT government has continued to fund the organisation and expand its role. I’d sooner bet on UFOs, that the moon landings were faked, that god existed, or that George Bush destroyed the WTC so that he could steal Iraqi oil.

So thanks for your contribution to the debate on the provision of office accommodation for NZ public servants. And for your commentary on the abilities of the NZ media who you believe wouldn’t be able to find a building that has been announced publicly, is being built just a couple of blocks from parliament, and which you can find on the Internet by Googling “new GCSB building”. But really, NZers aren’t children who need an Australian to tell us how to run our affairs.
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March 23, 2010 4:23pm
Hurf Durf

National Party policy being hijacked by a handful of loud nutcase environmentalists? How very progressive.
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March 23, 2010 4:37pm
Hurf Durf

Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?
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March 23, 2010 5:15pm
LeftRightOut

Still waiting for the wages gap between NZ and Oz to close. You’ll be waiting a bloody long time.

Stuff reports

Real wages are set to fall over the coming year as rising prices and extended unemployment keep the labour market subdued, economists say.

The value of wages will decline 0.5 per cent in the 12 months through March 2011 as inflation exceeds salary growth, while unemployment remains elevated, according to the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research’s consensus forecast of ten financial and economic agencies. Wages are expected to grow 1.9 per cent this year, down from 2.2 per cent in the previous survey, and lagging behind the expected inflation 2.4 per cent for the same period, up from a forecast 2.1 per cent in the December survey.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/3493022/Wages-set-to-fall

Meanwhile, in the past 12 months, during a global recession, Australians became, on average, 4% better off.

Its not a wages gap, its a fucking chasm and Key has no idea how to close it.
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March 23, 2010 5:16pm
LeftRightOut

Hurf Durf (1365) Says:

March 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?

Well, they’re noy Kiwi, that’s for sure, probably the Tea Party looking for redbirther.
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March 23, 2010 5:17pm
KiwiGreg

“Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?”

Our new overlords have arrived?
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March 23, 2010 5:22pm
starboard

Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?

might be here for warbirds over wanaka….
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March 23, 2010 5:24pm
davidp

“Four F/A-18 Hornet fighters from the Royal Australian Air Force will be among the many ‘stars’ lining up to give aerobatic displays to the thousands of spectators at this year’s international airshow. The aircraft will be in New Zealand on exercise with the RNZAF and will be taking ‘time out’ to appear at the airshow.”

Four plus a spare, perhaps?

http://www.warbirdsoverwanaka.com/2010_aircraft.html
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March 23, 2010 6:00pm
Hurf Durf

Yeah, it’s Warbirds over Wanaka. I wasn’t expecting it; I thought a passenger jumbo was about to crash.

In other events, Dim Wilson is (or at least, was) an Alliance supporter. I trust him as far as I could throw him.
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March 23, 2010 6:24pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?

We’re surrendering?
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March 23, 2010 6:27pm
Kris K

krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed) 6:27 pm,

Does anyone know why five fighter jets are flying into Auckland Airport right now?

We’re surrendering?

That reminds me of when I was at Rongotai College (which is adjacent Wgtn airport) in the late 70s (76-80) and hearing the Skyhawks taking off – they were still in service back then. While the college pretty much ignored normal air traffic, when the Skyhawks were about the whole school literally stopped and listened – it was like tearing calico – beautiful music to mechanically minded teenage boys.

You’d recall that wouldn’t you GS?

PS Have missed your input here – hope all is well with you and yours, and that you’re still fighting the good fight.
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March 23, 2010 6:38pm
william blake

“Still it is good that you do not oppose mining on conservation land per se and that for you it is a matter not of “if” but of “when”.”

David, it seems the only part of conservation that you understand is the ‘con’. Mining on conservation land is like a thief raping your mother.

Is it still good that it is a question of when not if?

Oh and dont credit Brownlee blame Key.
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March 23, 2010 7:13pm
Hurf Durf

Mining on conservation land is like a thief raping your mother.

Excuse me for not treating your precious conservation land like a cult like you do.
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March 23, 2010 7:22pm
william blake

Its a word Durf. It means you conserve as opposed to digging it up.

If conservation land is dug up it becomes an open cast mine, which seem to be your cult.

And no I do not excuse you, you are thinking in the interests of overseas companies not in the interest of New Zealand.
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March 23, 2010 7:48pm
big bruv

Kris K

“That reminds me of when I was at Rongotai College ”

You as well huh?
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March 23, 2010 7:52pm
Hurf Durf

What part of “It’s not going to be open cast” don’t you Green Party luddite fuckwits understand? So many issues and you prostrate yourself over a few dozen trees that have to be uprooted. What the Christ. Imagine if you cunts were around in the 1850s, we’d still be cooking dinner over an open fire. Anti-nuclear, anti-GM, anti-thinking.
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March 23, 2010 7:54pm
william blake

O I see its going to be men with huge mustaches bush singlets and candles glued to their hats. A pick and a shovel and a donkey.

Have you seen a contemporary gold mine?

Obviously you don’t have to try too hard to imagine the 1850’s that’s where you are coming from.
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March 23, 2010 8:13pm
Dirty Rat

good god, Mallared was actually funny when going through Mr Joyce’s academic record.

honestly
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March 24, 2010 1:12am
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

You’d recall that wouldn’t you GS? PS Have missed your input here

Yes I remember that well Kris. Quadratic equations in a hot classroom after lunch were no match for imagining what it must have been like behind the controls of those jets. Boys and toys! re input, I’ve been pretty busy lately and KB commenting has taken the hit. Still fighting the fight. Good to see you are too. Oh, planning on jogging for Earth Hour… now that the EPA has declared my breath to be a pollutant. That, or driving my V8 up and down the road in 1st gear.
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March 24, 2010 9:24am
niggly

Yup, was there too KK, BB & KK, remember hearing and seeing the tails of the Hercs as they taxied into the Govt hanger apron, when at PE, seeing the gym was quite close to the airport etc. Saw the RAAF’s sharp end quite a bit, touching and going. Good times.
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March 24, 2010 4:29pm
big bruv

Ah, the days when we had a bloody air force.
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March 24, 2010 4:39pm
KiwiGreg

“Mining on conservation land is like a thief raping your mother.”

Yeah and chopping down trees is like eating babies.
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March 24, 2010 4:43pm
big bruv

I note that ‘earth hour’ is coming around again.

I urge all of you who have not be taken in by the climate change con to do as I did last year and ensure that every light and every electrical appliance is turned on during the ‘earth hour’.
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March 24, 2010 4:53pm
Kris K

niggly 4:29 pm,

“Lumen Accipe et Imperti” – Take the light and pass it on.

A great school moto I always thought.
And kind of my life moto, as well, coincidentally.

What years were you there, Niggly?
You too, Big Bruv.
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March 24, 2010 5:05pm
MikeNZ

we had a light up party.
sod the liars it’s our money.

did you see the website with Al Gores place all it up.
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March 24, 2010 5:05pm
KiwiGreg

Failure to observe earth hour is like murdering school children.
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March 24, 2010 5:18pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

KrisK, that noble motto was somewhat less nobly translated “Light it up and pass it around” during my time there 🙂
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March 24, 2010 5:24pm
Kris K

krazykiwi 5:24 pm,

KrisK, that noble motto was somewhat less nobly translated “Light it up and pass it around” during my time there

I wouldn’t know, of course, being a non inhaler (Bill Clinton is my idol).
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March 24, 2010 5:45pm
Kris K

KiwiGreg 5:18 pm,

Failure to observe earth hour is like murdering school children.

What’s that saying?
A small child dies every time you turn the light on.
(I’m sure I heard it on some ‘save the world’ advertisment)

Imagine how many will have to sacrifice their lives when krazykiwi “driv[es] [his] V8 up and down the road in 1st gear”?
A small villiage in the African sub continent disappears.
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