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Tauhei Notts

Man On A Mission
Say no more.
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March 10, 2010 9:40am
MikeNZ

Mission accomplished 🙂
well done!
something to think on.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/the_folly_of_rusing_into_green.html
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March 10, 2010 9:42am
Luc Hansen

There is a lot to like about nuclear power!

Not that we need it over here, but it’s a lot more “green” than the alternatives.

Just a pity that Australia benefits.
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March 10, 2010 9:51am
Tassman

The WINZ office is completely overloaded and very few staffs are onboard. Some of them have been out on stress leave for days. I can understand the Minister wanting to take a holiday during the most demanding time of need… what a minister!

Anyways, I just wanted to wipe the smile off the PM’s face before I am completely banned. And speaking/writing of which, when I clicked on the Submit button, a new window named Good Bye bobbed up!

……!
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March 10, 2010 10:19am
philu

is paul buchanan still around..?

i’d like to see his comment on this..

seeing as he is an outspoken 9/11-scoffer..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/proof-that-911-truthers-are-dangerous/

“.. Most Americans don’t know what kind of people 9/11 truthers really are.

So they can’t figure out whether or not they are dangerous.

Below is a list of people who question what our Government has said about 9/11.

The list proves – once and for all – that people who question 9/11 are dangerous.

Email this list to everyone you know, to prove to them that 9/11 truthers are all dangerous nut cases.

Senior intelligence officers:

* Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers”.

He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11.

And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible ..

.. that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been”,..

.. that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration ..

.. and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation into 9/11 .. with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.

* A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said

“I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

* A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said ..

..“I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. …

.. All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11.” (and see this).

* A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) ..

.. sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)

* 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) ..

..stated that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and it was probably an inside job (scroll down to Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).

* A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East” ..

.. and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) ..

.. said that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job

* The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said ..

..”The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup.”

* Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army)..

.. questions the government’s version of the events of 9/11..”

(but wait..!..there’s more..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 10:22am
Luc Hansen

I’m with Paul on this.

The US government is just not smart enough to have pulled such a stunt off so successfully!
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March 10, 2010 10:31am
philu

really..?..luc..?

“… that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration ..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 10:41am
philu

luc..have you never seen the footage of bush jnr when he was told the plane had hit the building..?

this came as no surprise to him…

..he knew it was going to happen..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 10:43am
freethinker

If the electronic spending data for Feb is a precursor then Joe Public clearly understands economics as he is resisting the urge to spend and appears to be paying down debt. Message for Key/English – follow the herd – reduce govt spending – now – and use the savings to pay down debt.
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March 10, 2010 10:51am
eszett

# philu (7283) Says:
March 10th, 2010 at 10:43 am

luc..have you never seen the footage of bush jnr when he was told the plane had hit the building..?

this came as no surprise to him…

..he knew it was going to happen..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

wow, that is profound! You uncovered this whole consipracy by the look on GWB’s face. Well, that really nails it.
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March 10, 2010 10:53am
thedavincimode

Well its obvious really, to anyone who has ever struggled against the regulatory morass that is city and environmental planning. How else could anyone avoid all the red tape to redevelop the WTC?

But to give the credit to G dubyah? That’s just plain silly.
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March 10, 2010 11:22am
philu

no..esett..just a thread…just another (confirming) thread..

did you not read the comment @ 10.22..?

from the cia-dudes..?

..saying it is all a jack-up..?

they don’t even mention the bush-footage..

as i said…’just a thread’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 11:23am
Redbaiter

The low IQ Commies have taken over GD today. What a fucking yawn.
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March 10, 2010 11:26am
thedavincimode

Too much time on your hands little pica pica.

But then, my little Gollum of the welfare system, this too will change. Every day that passes is a day he grows older and a day closer to Paula taking away your precious (if not before).
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March 10, 2010 11:31am
philu

how is the weather down there in that centre of white-flight..tauranga..?..reddy..?

comfy in yr lazy-boy-rocker..?

off to the r.s.a. for lunch..?..and a few (cheap) beers..?

will you return as choleric as usual..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 11:32am
Luc Hansen

Phil

I saw the footage, and my impression was that Bush was just like a possum stuck in the lights.

Where you saw prior knowledge, I saw total lack of instinct of how to react to a serious situation.

He is that dumb and that gutless.
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March 10, 2010 11:55am
wreck1080

The Gore police have bought the NZ police into disrepute. If you are wondering, the Gore police are the ones who charged the Bus driver with assault on a child.

The police actions against the bus driver are nothing short of shameful.

I hope the Gore police are not an reflection of the rest of NZ police.

Once again, I have lost respect for the police.

Why is it that some police are so far out of touch ?
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March 10, 2010 11:55am
Luc Hansen

Yep, you have to wonder what was going on in their little brains down there. And I don’t mean the kids!
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March 10, 2010 11:59am
philu

luc..

..my understanding is that the ‘science’ of body language leans heavily to the thought that this news was ‘no surprise’..to the recipient..

..and anyway..leaving that to one side..

how about all those cia-dudes..?

how would you disparage their comments/opinions..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 12:13pm
Murray

70% left wing conspiracy drug induced left wing fuckwittery.

Must be a Kiwiblog general debate threat. Perhaps it should be changed to mass rather than general.
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March 10, 2010 12:17pm
Luc Hansen

…didn’t the CIA say Iraq was flooded with WMDs?…

And so we invaded and found…zilch…

…but killed a mil and a half or so…

and another mil and a half or so are IDPs…

…and four or five mil or so have departed for different deserts…

CIA

Curious Information Agency…
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March 10, 2010 12:24pm
philu

muzza..!..yr thoughts on the utterings from the great and good of/from the c.i.a..?

‘y’know..!..about that 9/11 thing..?

you being a ‘military-man’..and all..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 12:25pm
philu

“..Perhaps it should be changed to mass..”

i didn’t realise you were catholic ..muzza..

tho’..that you fancy wearing those man-dresses/robes..when you play dress-ups-war..

.does kinda fit..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 10, 2010 12:28pm
Bryla

Anyone interested in fairy stories ought try to make it down to District Court 3 where Mr Murray for the prosecution is asserting that the Emperor Keys pm is the very well dressed head of an efficient and accountable democracy, with the wisdom of Solomon and the powers of God. It is seriously good satire.

For a summary of yesterday’s proceedings head to http://www.cairnspeacebypeace.org
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March 10, 2010 1:31pm
Redbaiter

” His Counsel, Michael Knowles, led Adi through a description of his life as a Christian, and his story as a teacher, community worker and political activist. ”

What the hell does that matter? He is being tried, at taxpayer expense, on his actions at the time of the offence, and that should be all that matters. Courtrooms are not there for one issue narcissitic zealots to sermonize. They exist to dispense objective justice and to punish those who break laws. I hope to hell they cut to the chase and send this (IMHO) weaseling anti-life treasonist down for five years. (no parole)
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March 10, 2010 1:46pm
MikeNZ

Red
I think 3yrs would be fairer with his share of the fine and a 1/3rd share of the damages.
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March 10, 2010 2:38pm
Fisiani

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Interesting post and bizarre response on the Standard today. Mental health alert….
Fisiani
10 March 2010 at 9:31 am

Go and watch Mao’s last dancer. Great movie especially if you like ballet. Then you will know why the communist sympathisers of the Left are such deluded fools.

[lprent: Are you going to rank yourself as a deluded fascist?

In any case a 2 week ban for being stupid, inaccurate, and generally a anti-social moronic troll.

As far as I can understand your moronic mutterings you just labelled ME as a communist sympathiser because I support the left. You did it without even bothering to present an argument (which even deluded fools like redbaiter do). That fails the policy in many ways. First it is a flame starter. Second you offered an assertion without an argument. Third you offended the sysop.

I’m intolerant of fools who want to label me. Now bugger off and learn some manners you idiot. Because next time I have to ban you, it will be permanent. That would be a pity, because when you aren’t doing stupid comments like this, you’re sometimes almost coherent. ]
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Fisiani
10 March 2010 at 12:28 pm

And you personalise my comments? WHY? I made no such assertion. I did not label you. You chose to accept a label. Get some help buddy.
A posting about a ballet movie is hardly starting a flame.
If you saw the movie there is no argument just a truism.
Third you CHOSE to be offended.

“Now bugger off and learn some manners you idiot” must be the height of the H word.
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March 10, 2010 2:48pm
Scott Hamilton

On a different subject, there is a very strange affair unfolding in the little Northland town of Dargaville at the moment, where the local paper is hailing a controversial local amateur historian as the winner of the New Zealand Senior of the Year Award, despite the fact that the title, which is given out as part of the wider New Zealand Awards, was given to the South Island businessman and philanthropist Sir Eion Edwards. Kiwibank, which sponsors the Awards, and Awards coordinator Grant McCabe have both contacted the Dargaville Online paper and asked it to retract its claims – and the paper has responded by running a special issue and sticking by its story, using what appears to be a bogus certificate! It appears the paper may be the victim of a hoax, or be taking part in a hoax.
Details and links here:
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/03/heads-in-sand-in-dargaville-as-claims.html
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March 10, 2010 3:26pm
LeftRightOut

Well well well, its not just Sarah “Texta” Palin who writes on the palm of her hand, its also GOD!

http://media.theage.com.au/world/world-news/palin-claims-god-had-crib-notes-too-1209224.html

At least that’s what Sarah “I don’t remember a thing” Palin has claimed.
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March 10, 2010 3:44pm
KiwiGreg

“What the hell does that matter? He is being tried, at taxpayer expense, on his actions at the time of the offence, and that should be all that matters. Courtrooms are not there for one issue narcissitic zealots to sermonize. They exist to dispense objective justice and to punish those who break laws. ”

QFT
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March 10, 2010 3:44pm
LeftRightOut

Redbaiter (9249) Says:

March 10th, 2010 at 11:26 am
The low IQ Commies have taken over GD today. What a fucking yawn.

Makes a change from your usual fawnings over Sarah “I’m a FOX” Palin and your generall no IQ rants.

redbaiter, keeping the internet content free, since, oh 1996.
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March 10, 2010 3:47pm
Hugh Manatee

Red.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/10/a-fruitless-mix-of-racism-and-conspiracy-theories/
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March 10, 2010 3:52pm
eszett

# Hugh Manatee (52) Says:
March 10th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

Red.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/10/a-fruitless-mix-of-racism-and-conspiracy-theories/

Hehe, I had to see for myself.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/02/09/think-tea-party-movement/

Amusing as it is, the overly clear result makes it rather suspicious.
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March 10, 2010 4:36pm
Redbaiter

Do you smug insufferable insipid people understand that by maligning the Tea Partiers, (who have their origins in the Boston Tea Party, an event that you, educated in the socialist system, are probably to ignorant of history to understand or even know about) and aligning yourself with a corrupt and undemocratic state that seeks to rule by tyranny, you are putting yourself on the same losing side as every oppressive regime in the history of the Western world?
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March 10, 2010 4:46pm
Hugh Manatee

Can ‘insipid’ people malign?

Seems too strong a word.

And ‘insufferable’?

Not only do you suffer such people, you seem to take pleasure in engaging in discussion with them!

What a contradictory baiter you are Red!
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March 10, 2010 4:52pm
Angus

Do you smug insufferable insipid people understand .. .

Of course they don’t ! They’re subliminally mind-fucked drones. They react to certain political stimuli with an arsenal of pre-programmed talking points.
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March 10, 2010 4:55pm
Hugh Manatee

Then why, you gotta ask, didn’t Red know that, professing as he does, to have Deep Knowledge of his enemies.

A simple but revealing slip-up, Red!
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March 10, 2010 5:01pm
Pete George

That’s funny Angus, you know who’s got the biggest arsenal of pre-programmed talking points here. An arsenal with all the power of spud gun (I know they’re a thing of the distant past, but so is that arsenal of talking points).

Redspuds.
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March 10, 2010 5:06pm
Redbaiter

“An arsenal with all the power of spud gun ”

Apparently that’s all it takes to bring you to an apoplectic dead end.
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March 10, 2010 5:08pm
tristanb

Sorry, but I always come here to bitch about things:

Anyone see these two pieces of crap on the news? (Boyes-Warren and Randell Legion Wiremu Brown)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10631109

God they looked arrogant and unremorseful in the dock. I’m glad at least one of them is getting a life sentence.
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March 10, 2010 6:30pm
dad4justice

Hey National if you stop giving more f ing money to Maori you could TAKE the GST OFF petrol. Yeah right. Pigs do fly ask Crusher!
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March 10, 2010 6:36pm
Hurf Durf

Phool and Luc do battle. Two men enter, hopefully neither leave.

Hey billybonkers, why don’t you stick to one user name instead of hopping between Brainsrightout and Hugh like a greedy bisexual?
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March 10, 2010 7:01pm
eszett

# Redbaiter (9251) Says:
March 10th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

Do you smug insufferable insipid people understand that by maligning the Tea Partiers, (who have their origins in the Boston Tea Party, an event that you, educated in the socialist system, are probably to ignorant of history to understand or even know about) and aligning yourself with a corrupt and undemocratic state that seeks to rule by tyranny, you are putting yourself on the same losing side as every oppressive regime in the history of the Western world?

What? Fox News is “aligning with a corrupt and undemocratic state that seeks to rule by tyranny”? Who would have ever thought to hear such things from Red?

After all, it was Fox News who had the poll with Fox News readers voting.

You are being a tad precious here with your beloved tea party.
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March 10, 2010 7:05pm
reid

Phil I’m surprised you’re dissing 911 because it’s clearly the most environmentally friendly way to demolish large skyscapers we’ve ever seen.

I mean apparently, according to the FACTS all we need to do is drop some burning debris on a 47-story skyscaper containing lots of sensitive information on all sorts of bad guys being investigated by the CIA, NSA, SEC etc (like ENRON) and apparently, according to the FACTS the large diesel tank in the basement just spontaneously combusts resulting, according to the FACTS in a top-down (not bottom-down) collapse of the entire structure, virtually within its own footprint.

In the face of these FACTS I woulda thought the Greens would have been seriously advocating this technique because clearly, 911’s WTC7 building exposed FACTS that were hitherto unknown in the skyscraper demolition world and it really does seem like the way to go.

On another note, anyone just see the Walrus attempt “fair and balanced” with Street and Joyce. I couldn’t get over the nice relaxing red speckles floating up behind Marion resplendent in heavy screen makeup and a bright red suit while Steven looked like just another bald rich-prick with his dark blue suit imposed over a dark photo of yachts in a marina. Congratulations on the subliminal propaganda to whomever in the Walrus team setup those sets, but just be aware some of us aren’t completely fucking blind/stupid and yes, we did notice what you’re doing.
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March 10, 2010 7:19pm
Hurf Durf

eszett, you effete moron, it was spammed by Koskunts and other leftards.
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March 10, 2010 7:43pm
Pete George

Yeah, right Hurfer, Fox are such dumbasses with their systems aren’t they. But it’s easy to be selective, Reddie was quoting a LAT blog (great reliable source according to him) referring to other favourable polls.
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March 10, 2010 7:57pm
Redbaiter

Hurf- One thing about Eszett is that he doesn’t pretend to be any dumber than he actually is. What you see is what you get.
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March 10, 2010 8:35pm
Pete George

Gotta admit this, Glen Beck at the moment, interviewing ex congressman Massa, fascinating. The system is broke, what to do about it. Digging for something big to go with, but where does one start.
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March 10, 2010 8:42pm
Redbaiter

“great reliable source according to him”

Yet another weak, cowardly and conscienceless misrepresentation from the usual pathological twister of truth.
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March 10, 2010 8:44pm
Redbaiter

” Glen Beck at the moment, ”

Careful PG. Once you’re seduced by that horrible reason and truth stuff, there’s no going back.
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March 10, 2010 8:46pm
Pete George

Some guarded reason and truth from a Democrat. Not enough meat for Beck, but is it enough to prompt any changes? I doubt it, too many forces, too much money, too entrenched.

1. Politics is corrupted by money. Representatives spend hours a day fundraising, continually. And fund raising puts continual pressure on policies. The system won’t start recovery until campaign finance is reformed majorly.

2. At a time when consensus and working together is badly needed on person in particular is sand in the gearbox – Rahm Emanual.
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March 10, 2010 9:01pm
eszett

# Redbaiter (9254) Says:
March 10th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

” Glen Beck at the moment, ”

Careful PG. Once you’re seduced by that horrible reason and truth stuff, there’s no going back.

Horrible, yes.
Reason and Truth? Only in the redbaiter universe.
Next thing you’ll say is O’Reilly is a moderate.
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March 10, 2010 10:22pm
Luc Hansen

Let’s close out the vitriol with this delightful little anecdote.

I took my 18mth old girl to the local with me to watch the Phoenix Sunday. She has a lot of fun but she does keep me busy wandering around after her stopping her from a)visiting her friends behind the bar b) keeping her out of the pokies room – lights, noise and action all in one package – c) keeping her inside the bar instead of the footpath and road outside.

Anyway, a soon after we got home, she began parading in front of her mother, throwing her hands in the air and chortling. She had us puzzled until I realised that she had seen the adults in the bar do that ritual three times during the game, and was letting her mother know all about it.

Just amazing how acute their observational skills can be!
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