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toad

Seems that young workers might not get Rogered after all.

Questions for written answer:

1039 (2010). Darien Fenton to the Minister of Labour (12 Feb 2010): Is she in favour of reinstating a minimum youth wage rate?

Hon Kate Wilkinson (Minister of Labour) replied: No

[DPF: Yes, when I saw that I started selling the iPredict stock and moved its price from 82c to around 30c]
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February 26, 2010 8:15am
Captain Crab

This has to be the rant of the day. Long read but worth it when Willis gets wound up. DPF probably called it right on the tipping point for climate science and public trust in certain scientists.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/25/judith-i-love-ya-but-youre-way-wrong/
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February 26, 2010 8:23am
mickysavage

So why did Phil Heatley resign. His story just does not add up.

If his offence was sackable then what about Blinglish, Brownlee, Tolley, Collins, Carter …

[DPF: I am enjoying Labour flunkies unable to comprehend a Minister doing the right thing and resigning voluntarily]
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February 26, 2010 8:27am
Murray

They’ve already BEEN rogered by making people pay them full rates fewer of them can now get jobs.

As always communists (masquerading as “environmentalists”) are only interested in appearances rather than reality because if they had to deal with their unintended consequences resulting in a negative impact of their desire to create a Marxist utopia their little heads would pop.

Thats way univeristy enrolments are up with teenies who have never had a job, can’t get a job and have already blown arse in teh first week of actual study they’ve ever experienced.

THANKS!

BTW they’re not young workers, they’re young UNEMPLOYED. Well bloody done again.
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February 26, 2010 8:28am
Murray

mickey so did Helen protect so many obviously corrupt labour MP’s. Till you answe that question you’re pretty much stuck in cram it corner playing with yourself.
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February 26, 2010 8:29am
dad4justice

mickyslow – how many Liarbour MP’s appeared in the District Court docks under the Klarkula Absolute Power Regime Of Feminazi Clits and Angry Trevor sods? Fat Phil, Mallard Flapper, Drunk Ruth etc….etc….!
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February 26, 2010 8:31am
Luc Hansen

Exploitation of our females and our young is a time honoured tradition of western males. It’s good to see, for those who like to retain our traditions, the continued support for such practices on Kiwiblog.

But:

It’s all just so damned archaic!
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February 26, 2010 8:33am
dime

luc – i feel sorry for you. you just seem to hate yourself.. being a western male and all. i suspect youre a victim of some kind.

micky – why post here? yesterday at the standard you said “Good to see someone calling Farrer for what he is.” so why come to his blog?
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February 26, 2010 8:43am
peterwn

Ministerial Limos – beginning of the end? Phil Goff has decided that Ministerial limos are too expensive to use (as Opposition Leader he has use of them on the same basis as Ministers). If he cuts down this is likely to push up the charge-out rates up even higher. Ministers might start following suit leaving only the PM and High Court judges using limos. Phil considers that the chargeout rates are over the top, but they seem what is necessary to fund the service. There seems no easy answer unless Ministerial Services ‘bulk funds’ the limos and deliberately does not keep statistics on use by individual ministers.
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February 26, 2010 8:45am
Luc Hansen

Anyway, this is a serious gripe, non-ideological so you funny rabid rightists (who over on Fox News would largely be the looney left!) can just settle down.

What is it with these power price rises based on paying for future power stations, which may or may not be eventually built? Since when do consumers pay in advance for the privilege of a risk taking venture like building a power generation plant?

When I was an industrialist, investing in reasonably heavy and expensive machinery to produce my widgets, I didn’t go to my customers and say I have to charge you more so I can buy more machines. I purchased the machines on the basis that I was buying a depreciable asset that will earn me an income at acceptable rate of return on the capital employed.

So why can’t our power companies, say, issue shares, or borrow funds on the local and/or international markets, or retain dividends, or all three, to invest in future growth, and back themselves to attract enough customers to make it a rewarding venture?

In this era of free markets, what am I missing?
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February 26, 2010 8:46am
Luc Hansen

Hey dime, I would say a dime for your thoughts, but that would surely be a gross overvaluation!
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February 26, 2010 8:47am
davidp

Toad>Seems that young workers might not get Rogered after all.

Translated: “We care for you young people, so we’ll pay you adult wages while you’re training. So welcome to unemployment! We call this a “Green job”. “
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February 26, 2010 8:58am
onelaw4all

@Luc Hansen

“In this era of free markets, what am I missing?”

Well, for starters, the fact that there are no true free markets in the world.

“Exploitation of our females and our young is a time honoured tradition of western males.”

I think someone has been falling asleep to the dolcet tones of recorded Delahunty speeches.
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February 26, 2010 9:11am
Luc Hansen

Tense stuff going down in Turkey, the seat of the once great Ottoman Empire. Senior army staff are being detained in an attempt to forestall the inevitable coup that the army pulls off regularly.

The governing party is Islamist based, although quite secular in its policies, and has had to tiptoe around the recurrent threat from the generals. If this is really the end of the power of the generals in the public domain, it’s good news for the people of Turkey and Europe as a whole.

On the other hand, if the governing party has overplayed its hand, look forward to the return of the generals and a more pro-US and militaristic stance. The Kurds will be watching with non-detached interest, as the generals traditionally murder them for Sunday sport.
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February 26, 2010 9:11am
Luc Hansen

Who’s Delahunty? And I think you meant “dulcet.”

And are you saying the Industrial Revolution was not fed by young male and female labour worked to death in mills?

While there may indeed be no true free markets (although the above example shows at least there once was), you beg my question.

Why are normal commercial principles turned upside down for power companies?
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February 26, 2010 9:17am
sbk

“Exploitation of our females and our young is a time honoured tradition of western males”.

..as opposed to honour killing..the time honoured tradition of middle eastern males…
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February 26, 2010 9:17am
Luc Hansen

SBK

I have been waiting for that one. You’re late!

Honour killings are not economic exploitation in the western capitalist tradition. Although it is a truly sick and offensive practice, it is about family honour, in their particular environment.

So can we stay on topic?
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February 26, 2010 9:22am
toad

@davidp 8:58 pm

The issue is about young people working, not young people training. The law still provides for a lower training rate for 16 and 17 year olds. Sue Bradford’s amendment didn’t change that.
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February 26, 2010 9:30am
dime

Following three-hour talks with Turkish Gen. Ilker Basbug and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President Abdullah Gul said a row between the Islam-based government and the secular military would be solved “within the framework of the constitution,” Reuters reported Feb. 25. He said parties involved need to act responsibly. Erdogan, who said there were no plans for a snap poll, said the meeting went well; Basbug did not immediately comment.
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February 26, 2010 9:31am
kaya

Bloody brilliant article from Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone describing the massive Ponzi scheme going on in Wall St and busting the bubble of this bullshit “recovery”. All a big con.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/1

As one commenter put it when talking about the behaviour of financial giants lie Goldman Sachs:

“I had a similar problem when trying to house break my dog every time I rewarded him for shitting in the middle of my bed he kept right on doing it.”

Brilliant……!!!
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February 26, 2010 9:33am
LeftRightOut

as opposed to honour killing..the time honoured tradition of middle eastern males

Ah, the ignorance of the uninformed and prejudiced.

“Honour killings” are also carried out by women, by Asians and Africans, not just ME males.
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February 26, 2010 9:34am
sbk

LUC..what is your view on “Dowry” killings ?.
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February 26, 2010 9:34am
Murray

For their own good young people are better off not having any jobs according the socialist hysteria brigade.

They keep repeating slogans and mouthing from the good book but don’t actualyl give a crap about the results.
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February 26, 2010 9:37am
LeftRightOut

sbk (126) Says:

February 26th, 2010 at 9:34 am
LUC..what is your view on “Dowry” killings ?.

I don’t know about Luc, but I think that marriages should be subject to the free market and if the dowry doesn’t measure up, then the wronged party should seek restitution. They were giving the life of their son to his wife, if she fails to please, then she should give her life. Keep the government out of private arrangements and private property.
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February 26, 2010 9:43am
davidp

Murray>For their own good young people are better off not having any jobs according the socialist hysteria brigade.

Across the Tasman, the Labor Government introduced a lot of new work-related regulations in order to reward their union backers. One of the regulations enforces a minimum number of hours work. Unfortunately this means that a lot of high school students who want to do a couple of hours retail or other part time employment each day after school now find their jobs are illegal and are being laid off in large numbers.

Still… better a hundred young people lose their jobs than a union lose a single member.
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February 26, 2010 9:50am
cha

Bloody brilliant article from Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone describing the massive Ponzi scheme going on in Wall St and busting the bubble of this bullshit “recovery”. All a big con.

If you’re looking for something that’s sure to burst your bubble try The Automatic Earth with posts like February 19 2010: A thousand miles behind

Ilargi: When on any given morning you see consecutive headlines that read

1. “US bank lending falls at the fastest rate in history”,
2. “Lending to British businesses falls at record pace”,
3. “UK mortgage lending falls to 10-year low “,
4. ”Shock as British deficit equals that of Greece” and
5. “Britain posts first deficit for January since records began”
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February 26, 2010 9:58am
Inventory2

I’ve just blogged about what most be the most slanted political story to appear in the Herald since the EPMU’s (journalists’ union) party of choice got voted out.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/02/is-phil-vip.html
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February 26, 2010 10:15am
virtualmark

Luc @ 8:46 … You’re not necessarily missing anything.

It’s quite right, in economic terms, that you will only commit to build your next power plant when you know you can sell the electricity it generates for more than it costs you to generate that electricity. So if the power from your planned power plant costs 10c/kWhr to produce, and 4c/kWhr to transmit, then you won’t build the plant until you know you can sell the plant for 14c/kWhr.

The fly in the ointment is the way that the electricity market works off a clearing price, where all of the electricity produced in a 30min block is “sold” at the same price. So while the 10c/kWhr might be the right clearing price for your latest plant … it might be pretty racey profits for a hydro plant which might generate electricity at a cost of just 5c/kWhr.

So the economics are sensible on a powerplant-by-powerplant basis … but they get skewy on an industry basis.
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February 26, 2010 10:26am
capitald

As a public service, I am selling backup 111 systems in case of another Telecom failure: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=274364775&ed=true

DPF: Hope you don’t mind me plugging this 🙂
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February 26, 2010 10:46am
Kris K

capitald 10:46 am,

As a public service, I am selling backup 111 systems in case of another Telecom failure:

Will your “111 backup starter kit” be able to access emergency services from the ‘middle of Mt Vic tunnel’ or from ‘shipping containers somewhere off the NI coast’?

If so, I’ll take two thanks.
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February 26, 2010 11:19am
Inventory2

capitald – “in case of”? Surely, you mean ‘WHEN” 🙂
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February 26, 2010 11:20am
Bob

This is not a comment. I wonder if someone more computer savvy than me can help me. I use skype mainly for contact with family members. I take still photos and put them into a picture file. What I would like to know is can segments of video be recorded? I can’t find any mention of it in Help topics.
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February 26, 2010 11:55am
Doug

Phil Heatley’s expenses pail into Insignificants compared to Phil Goff’s $89,454 spend for no gain in the polls.
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February 26, 2010 11:59am
david

Well Doug, in that you use a pail to phil a trough you have a real point.
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February 26, 2010 12:05pm
LeftRightOut

Kris K, nice to see you back to play, will you be man enouggh to appologise for this comment about my dead wife?

Kris K (1649) Says:

February 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Shunda barunda 7:11 pm,

So which sexually transmitted viruses have evolved to infect a couple that mate for life? do you catch a sexually transmitted disease from your wife 2 -3 times a year like the common cold?

That question may be a bit too close to the bone in LRO’s case – he and his wife may have an ‘open’ relationship – and therefore the answer would be, “Yes”.

The last line was your christian comment to me.
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February 26, 2010 12:25pm
Kris K

LeftRightOut 12:25 pm,

Perhaps a bit cutting – but only to those who may have an open marriage or promiscuous lifestyle.
I did qualify it with a ‘may’.

And perhaps I did lower myself to the level from which I feel you often attack primarily me (but other Christians too) and my beliefs. But on reflection I may have been a bit uncharitable – and on that basis I’m happy to apologise.

If you want to disagree with my beliefs that’s fine, and to be expected, but when you attack my character and denigrade my faith and my God then I guess you have to expect to bring the worst out in people, as you did in me, and they end up attacking you in response.

I would encourage you to look at yourself in this regard, and perhaps consider that other individuals are due an apology from you (not necessarily me) as well.

And am I really dealing with Billy Borker and/or MyNameIsJack?
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February 26, 2010 3:28pm
Pete George

“As New Zealand’s biggest portal, Yahoo!Xtra offers an immediate and often surprising insight into the attitudes of the nation through its daily polls,” says Laura Maxwell-Hansen, General Manager.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6857537/tv-host-henry-smashes-yahoo-xtra-poll-record/

Attitudes of the nation? How scientific?
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February 26, 2010 4:37pm
Yvette

It does remind me of the historic hoarding [possibly urban myth] which said SOCIAL CREDIT IS THE ANSWER under which someone added IT MUST HAVE BEEN A BLOODY STUPID QUESTION

A vote may be as much against the present presenters, as a vote for Henry.
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February 26, 2010 5:08pm
Luc Hansen

I see he is referred to as non-PC. The funny thing is, depending on your definition of PC, which I define as giving primary consideration to those who adhere to the prevailing consensus, Henry is as PC as they come.

It’s actually very PC to ridicule people with a difference, or people(s) who are different, or the unfortunates on welfare, etc etc.

Just look at the goons on Kiwiblog! Surely his biggest fans!

With Henry, one wonders just what psychological illness the front of ego and bravado actually hides.

And for those who doubt me, think on this: would any non-Fox News mimic attract the same audience? You know, with boring stuff like politeness and the promoting of information over ignorance.
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February 26, 2010 5:13pm
Luc Hansen

I forgot to add, 25% can’t stand him. Check the party standings in DPF’s poll of polls for outstanding correlation with my thesis!
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February 26, 2010 5:14pm
Yvette

Henry was once excellent, when he was on Radio Pacific or whatever it was before becoming Radio Live. He was more pertinent than blunt and showed considerable passion in pushing to get answers to what he thought the audience should know. Television seems to have spoiled him, and what he tries to present now as humour is rather dull and formulaic, like: make a remark, let people run on with saying something else and then drop an addition to the earlier remark back into the patter – can be funny but not when it is pushed again and again. But his holiday is about as likely to have changed him as Harawira’s sidelining changed him.
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February 26, 2010 5:28pm
dime

“With Henry, one wonders just what psychological illness the front of ego and bravado actually hides.”

cant argue with that. the guy is a nerd, he was bullied at school.

infact, im surprised he isnt a closet leftist.. afterall, that is the ideology for victims.
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February 26, 2010 5:49pm
Luc Hansen

I don’t see that Harawira needs to change much. He had obviously had a couple of ales but he only spoke the truth. The big sinner was the fellow Maori who stabbed him in the back.

And I’m sorry to say, even on Radio Pathetic I found him dogmatically self-opinionated and to the right of, well, whoever your favourite mass murderer is.
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February 26, 2010 5:52pm
Luc Hansen

hey dime, I keep asking this but I never get an answer – what’s a leftist?
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February 26, 2010 6:01pm
Redbaiter

“what’s a leftist?”

Marxist Communist Social Democrat Progressive Red Commie Leftist. all the same. Control freaks with an obsession to use government to promote their ideology and simultaneously possessed of the fucked in the head belief that they should have uncontrolled access to everybody else’s money. Now you’ve been told. So fuck off and don’t ask again.
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February 26, 2010 6:14pm
Luc Hansen

Hmm, sounds like the US banks and Microsoft, to me!

So now I am even more bewildered. I can’t think of a political party in godzone that promotes this ideology. Can you enlighten me further?
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February 26, 2010 6:20pm
Steve

Strange that there are 11 posts on Kiwiblog today and only 4 on Red Blurt, wonder why?

btw this Heatley thing has duck’s disease written all over it. Year of the Tiger is not a good year
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February 26, 2010 7:11pm
Sonny Blount

hey dime, I keep asking this but I never get an answer – what’s a leftist?

What, are you 12 Luc? Use google if you have some remedial study to catch up on.
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February 26, 2010 7:21pm
Luc Hansen

Google has got nothing on the twits, sorry, twists and turns of the fevered minds of Kiwiblog’s most rabid – consider yourself included.

I am bemused by this left/right crap. For example, I consider both Labour and National centrist in our environment, but very, very left in the Fox News point of view. And both major parties in the US are very and very, very right. So what’s the baseline?

But I assume intellectual justification of their posts is a stretch too far for most on here.
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February 26, 2010 7:33pm
Redbaiter

” For example, I consider”

Please don’t bore me with your “considerations” you deceitful creep. Just crawl back into your cave and regard your navel for another fifty years. That a sleaze like you is possessed of such unreal perceptions is hardly of interest to citizens of the real world.

Objective university studies have proved that FOX news is the most balanced of all networks and that all other networks lean left. All that exists to counter this truth is left wing smears from the likes of duplicitous reptiles like you.

No “right wing” network would employ Greta, Shephard Smith, Alan Combes, Chris Wallace, Juan Williams, Geraldo Riviera, Marc lamont to comment on news items. The fact is that there is no “right wing” news source, although there should be three or four of them just to balance the overwhelming bias on all of the other networks.

Survey after survey after study after poll have all shown that not only is the media chock full of liberals, it doesn’t hire anyone who thinks differently to the left.

In fact the media is the real left wing political force. Compared to this band of weasley insidious cheats liars hookers and smear merchants, the Labour Party in NZ or the Democrats in the US or the Labour Party in the UK are all small fry. It is the media who are the real left wing force. Phil Goff is just their toyboy. John Key is their goldfish. Obama is their anointed one.

You’re a communist with a brain so fucked by doctrine you don’t even know it. But I get no pleasure from telling you this. I don’t even know why a repugnant POS like you hangs out on Kiwiblog polluting every discussion with your vile propaganda. Why don’t you take your worthless shit to the Standard like every other Progressive fascist? I’d venture the opinion that no one would miss your cross wired crap here on Kiwiblog.
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February 26, 2010 8:22pm
big bruv

To those of you who are animal lovers I have a request.

Please raise your glass tonight and offer a toast to my best mate who has lost his long battle.

RIP big boy, you will be sadly missed.

http://clintheine.blogspot.com/
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February 26, 2010 9:08pm
Ryan Sproull

Condolences, Bruv. Sorry to hear that.
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February 26, 2010 9:26pm
dime

sorry to hear that bruv.
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February 26, 2010 9:26pm
Chthoniid

sorry for your loss

You can assume that alcoholic beverages were consumed tonight & a glass of something of high alcoholic content passed lips by way of a toast.
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February 26, 2010 9:26pm
Chthoniid

PS that took a lot longer to type than I anticipated, so you are safe in assuming the liquid imbibed was in fact, of a high alcohol content…
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February 26, 2010 9:28pm
Whafe

Sorry to hear the sad news b Bruv… No magic words, I have experienced this pain more than once, and it never ver gets easier…
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February 26, 2010 9:32pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Puke, we won in Honduras. Deal with it.

Though you may be able to get a score up pretty soon. Hasta la victoria siempre!
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February 26, 2010 10:09pm
nickb

Sorry to hear that bruv, gutted for you mate.
Sounds like you’ve got a few others though, they must be said losing their bro as well, but its always sad wheb you lose such a loyal mate…
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February 26, 2010 10:11pm
big bruv

Thank you all for your kind words, it is much appreciated.
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February 26, 2010 10:18pm
Robert Black

Interesting to note the Counties/Manukau Senior Sergeant when being asked why NZ youth is so fucked up and violent actually having the balls to say, “I don’t know.”

Wasn’t there some idiot here the other day saying the crime rate is dropping in NZ?

I would offer a few guesses, I mean apart from the country being culturally doomed, District 9?

I mean thise kids that wanted to beat that cop to death were prawns right?

I would offer this explanation:

The youth of NZ are becoming increasingly violent and more importantly BORED with the country they reside in.

How can we unborify the country for the violent youth of NZ?

The youth with all those drug taking and alcoholic genes rampaging and increasing in their Kiwi blood from generation to generation.

That will be an interesting problem to fix.

On the bright side a mate of mine and I were literally chased down the street by a mob of teenage girls trolling the streets in Hamner a few years ago.

So, I suppose it is not all bad, with the man drought an all.
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February 27, 2010 12:58am
Luc Hansen

I see Redbaiter was on form last night.

Now such august media organisations as NYT, WSJ and NZH are all the true left wing force in the world, commies, no less, according to RB.

The issue with Fox is not it’s lack of balance. It’s the ongoing denial of lack of balance, and, worse, the very loose relationship with facts.

Personally, I never actually studied up on communism. It was already passe when I was in my formative years. I had a quick look at Marx and Lenin but I gave up after just the obligatory browse. More impenetrable than Redbaiter’s diatribes and nowhere near as much fun!

Pragmatism is my guiding force. I think RB will have to think too hard to understand that one!

Finally, RB, you mad bastards NEED me!
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February 27, 2010 7:09am
Luc Hansen

Hurf, the past can’t be changed. I don’t lose any sleep over it. The future is going to be very different, as your link shows. I can see, for example, an international campaign to boycott Britain’s stolen oil being a goer.
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February 27, 2010 7:17am
sbk

“Google has got nothing on the twits, sorry, twists and turns of the “fevered minds of Kiwiblog’s most rabid “– consider yourself included.”

..most rabid..considering your average “rants” per day..LUC..pot kettle black..
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February 27, 2010 7:17am
Redbaiter

” Pragmatism is my guiding force. ”

Of course. That’s what make syou incapable of comprehending the difference between the voluntary interaction of Microsoft and the buyers of its product, and the compulsion of socialist politicians elected by amoral losers like you. Politicians legislating to steal from a worker’s wage packet and give you that stolen money to you so you will vote for them.

Go away. You bring nothing to Kiwiblog but inane drivel.

Idiocy is your driving force.
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February 27, 2010 9:38am
Hurf Durf

Oh, “stolen oil,” is it, even though it’s mined out of British territorial waters which have been owned by Britain for centuries and have never seen any attempts at colonisation by the Argentinians.

Take your fucking self-loathing and fuck off to Laos or some other Turd World shithole. I’m sick of pricks like you.
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