General Debate 19 February 2010

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southtop

Pansy Wong: me thiinks she’s wrong. Bondi, Sunshine Coast swamped under sea level rises. These idiots just keep on giving!
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February 19, 2010 7:15am
dad4justice

Are the wouldn’t work in an iron lung brigade of lazy lard security guards that lurk in that gin palace they call the Beehive still getting paid by the hard working tax payer while dozing the hours away?

John Key wants to put up GST and I reckon his pc psycho analytical clap trap is both frustrating and nauseating.

Half the size of government parasites, then quarter it, then you are about right. No wonder we borrow $240 mill a week you insane kiwi twits. I am waiting for my invite to Aunty Helen’s birthday bash as big blouse is going. I have a real nice present to give her.
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February 19, 2010 7:22am
Rod

This is getting embarrassing for little old NZ – now we are among the prominent international case studies in climate change fraud:
http://www.epalawsuit.com/storage/pdfs/legaldocs/20100217%20Third%20Amendment%20to%20Petition%20for%20Reconsideration.pdf
Time for our politicians to clean up this mess before we become an international laughing stock and heads have to roll.
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February 19, 2010 8:02am
James Stephenson

Er southtop…methinks you have the wong Wong. You mean Aussie’s Penny, not our Pansy.
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February 19, 2010 8:45am
Luc Hansen

For those firmly fixed in climate change denial mode, here is a link to a series of films about those remote populations already affected by our changing climate.

http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/cop15-filmfestival/

It is graphic illustration of the fact that the earliest hit are those least able to adapt, and only the callous amongst us would deny the fact that we owe them the funds necessary for adaptation.
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February 19, 2010 9:00am
Luc Hansen

On a different topic, I have been sitting on this for a while, but Mike Moore gave an interview to RNZ a couple of weeks or so ago on his new job in ~~Hollywood~~ Washington.

During this interview, Mike made a comment that the US, although it may take a while in its deliberations, always acts for the good.

This was my reaction:

Big scowl!

WTF!

then

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha….you get the idea.

Only in Hollywood!
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February 19, 2010 9:07am
Luc Hansen

Finally for this morning, has Israel been added to the list of rogue states yet? Small matters of secret nukes and terrorist attacks, right?

And why does Obama offer support to the Tibetans over the colonisation of Tibet by China (although China claims Tibet has always been part of China), yet continues to support the colonisation of Palestine by Europeans from Europe (does anyone claim that Palestine was always part of Europe?)
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February 19, 2010 9:12am
dime

“would deny the fact that we owe them the funds necessary for adaptation.”

we dont owe them shit. life aint fair.
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February 19, 2010 9:17am
dime

lol who woulda thought it, the global warming nutter doesn’t like Israel.

IF the mossad did off the guy… who cares??? generally only assholes are taken out by a mossad hit squad.
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February 19, 2010 9:18am
kowtow

two wongs dont make a wight……….sorry couldn’t help myself there.

Chris Trotsky has done a nice follow up to DPF’s Auckland Uni Colonialism to Globalisation blog in his From the Left piece in todays ODT. Sometimes Chris is good value .
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February 19, 2010 9:18am
kowtow

If Luc is so exercised about European “colonisation” why doesn’t he do the decent thing and go “home” ,which for most “colonisers” would mean somewhere close to the Rift Valley in Africa .And while he’s on the return journey please apologise ,symbolically of course,to the Neanderthals in Central Europe whose demise we are alledged to have had a hand in.

As to European colonisation of Palestine would it be OK by him if Jews from North Africa and Arab countries could stay?
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February 19, 2010 9:30am
Tassman

“&#@”
And that was the historical sound of National Radio New Zealand!
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February 19, 2010 9:31am
Luc Hansen

Well now Kotow, where do you suggest I go after five generations of ancestry here?

And that is not what Maori demand of me anyway, any more than the final settlement in Palestine will demand that anyone leave, just as that did not occur in SA.

The difference between us and the latter two is that we completed our colonisation by swamping the indigenous people; they didn’t, and history shows that the indigenous people, under those circumstances, eventually regain their rightful status.

Feel free to offer a counterexample.
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February 19, 2010 9:41am
Guy Fawkes

Luc Hansen. You should leave NZ straight away, and leave it to the early settlers. You will feel much better then.

5 Generations is hardly a blink in the eye of Earth Time. The other Europeans without a conscience can of course stay.

Israel is in the Eurovision Song Contest, and has been for ages. So your argument is destroyed. Innit.
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February 19, 2010 10:12am
RightNow

The sea level fell between 2004 and 2010.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nOY5jaKJXHM/S3xTTpWSGjI/AAAAAAAAAyk/lWAqvOnb72Q/s1600-h/Fullscreen+capture+2172010+122234+PM.jpg
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February 19, 2010 10:13am
MikeNZ

LUC

Tibet?

it’s called cultural genocide.
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February 19, 2010 10:15am
Inventory2

While we’re talking climate change, did anyone read Garth George’s column in the Herald yesterday? It seems that alarmist prophesies over warming, sea level rises etc etc ane nothing new …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/02/not-new-phenomenon.html
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February 19, 2010 10:19am
wreck1080

I see English is now trumpeting a tax rate aligned at 33%.

So, lets take a look at the governments “bold” tax changes which are to catch us up to australia.

Before labour came to power in 2001, our max tax rate was 33% and GST was 12.5%. Thresholds were high enough to ensure most did not pay the top rate.

Jump to the bumbling duo of Key and English. They plan to set the max tax rate to 33% , GST to 15%, and the thresholds will capture many more people in the top rate.

All I can see, is that tax rates will be higher than 2001. I’d suggest, the real problem is government spending, they are out of control with their policy analysts, and jumped up bureaucrats demanding top international pay rates for a country which is towards the bottom of the OECD economically.

I’ll be pretty angry if the top rate is only set at 33% . The problem for ther government with tax creep, is that many more people care about the top rate.
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February 19, 2010 10:29am
kowtow

Luc ,you didn’t read my post. I suggested the Rift Valley,apparently that’s where every one came from. You see we’re all “colonisers” to use your term. It’s just a matter of time and migrations.

Talk of a “final settlement” in “Palestine” is foolish too. History and circumstances are never “final” always fluid.You actually sound a little bit like those other more recent migratory types the Nazis with that “final” kind of language.

No matter what solution is found to the Israel/Arab issue there’s always going to be some group or other who see themselves as victims or saviours there. Just look at Shia Iranian interference in Lebanon and Israel. They dont border either country.What’s their “contribution” other than hatred and potential nuclear escalation?

South Africa? They’re voting with their feet.The thing that made that place properous was “colonisation”.The winds of change really are chaning the face of Africa. SA is slowly sinking into the oblivion that the rest of the former “colonies” have arrived at since whitey went home.
Shalom and best wishes to Mossad in protecting their homeland and people.
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February 19, 2010 11:46am
MikeNZ

I agree wreck
The least tax possible and that means cut govt spending.

I want him to clearly state we are going to go down to below 30% (20-25%) across the board.
By all means make trusts higher but only if they clean up (and be seen to do it) the finance industry.
Cactus Kate has already dealt to that the NZStock Exchange needs change.
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February 19, 2010 11:51am
MIKMS

Just a Question:

Why doesn’t the far left Blogger “No Right Turn” allow people to comment on his blogs? is he afraid of what other views might be to the majority of his posts, pathetic, unrationalised ideologies last heard heard at a UNITE meeting :p, or am I just not clicking on the right buttons?
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February 19, 2010 11:54am
lofty

South Africa? yes kowtow you are correct, NZ is full of “white flighters” and their country is slowly but surely sinking back into the quagmire of tribalism.
Sometimes humans don’t know when they are well off.
Even auntie helen says that the UN has been less than useless in Africa.
Colonisation is inevitable as the sun shine, it is better to lay back and enjoy it, cause the alternative just brings pain.

Luc, count your lucky stars son.
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February 19, 2010 11:58am
philu

that kiwisaver company don brash and john banks are involved with/in..is being investigated by the securities commission..

something/questions about the amounts of profits they claim to have made..over the years..

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/huljich-pulls-kiwisaver-statement-after-securities-commission-probe-huljich-is-the-company-don-brash-and-john-banks-are-associated-with/

huljich have ‘pulled their current investment prospectus’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 19, 2010 12:40pm
lofty

Did anyone else spot the grinning and fawning ginga, smooching around auntie on the news last night after she had received her undeserved gong?
Jeeze the lad has no self respect!
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February 19, 2010 1:16pm
philu

here is the empirical proof that power/key are denying proven pain relief..to new zealanders who are suffering now/today..

do you know anyone with m.s….?

http://whoar.co.nz/2010/%e2%80%98gold-standard%e2%80%99-studies-show-that-inhaled-marijuana-is-medically-safe-and-effective-and-a-big-thumbs-up-for-the-vaporiser/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 19, 2010 1:21pm
kaya

lofty – saw that. Did you work out if the stain on the front of his pants was because he had wet himself with excitement or something else……………?
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February 19, 2010 1:33pm
philu

lofty..kaya..sorry to interrupt yr flow of scintillating (rightwing) political wit..eh..?

carry on..!

keep laying those pearls..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 19, 2010 1:40pm
freethinker

Wreck – agree but I ask why interviewers don’t ask that question – plan to return govt expenditure to 2005 levels in terms of % of GDP – silly me they are all Liabour members supporting more tax, more waste of tax dollars so they get to enjoy larger state salaries.
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February 19, 2010 1:45pm
kaya

Philu – I think ginga might have been the one laying the pearls.
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February 19, 2010 1:48pm
Nefarious

Is phool out on parole or on remand?
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February 19, 2010 1:53pm
redeye

“here is the empirical proof that power/key are denying proven pain relief..to new zealanders who are suffering now/today..”

Not only. One week our Leader, (and I use that phase loosely) say’s preventing people from smoking a drug that causes 5000 deaths a year on our beaches is too ‘nanny state’. The next he slams the Law Commision report calling for relaxation of the laws preventing people from smoking a drug that kills no-one. And no-one sees the hypocrisy.
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February 19, 2010 1:57pm
Fisiani

If you want to hear a clear and cogent appraisal of the recipe for the recovery of New Zealand just listen to National Radio interview with Bill English on Nine to Noon this morning. Hear him patiently explain to Catherine Ryan that the ways of the last decade will never work in the next decade and that we simply cannot go on the way we are.
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February 19, 2010 2:42pm
bearhunter

Delighted to see the Auckland mayors have nixed the “party central” abortion. Very sensible decision and that’s not a phrase I use every day about Auckland local politicians. I understand ARC chairman Mike Lee is upset, but that is just a sign that this was a correct decision.
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February 19, 2010 3:22pm
Luc Hansen

Kowtow, I ignored your irrelevant reduction ad absurdum. And your take on the Middle East is just hypocrisy personified. Iran justifiably seeks influence in its own backyard, while the west sends in its troops from afar. And if you think eventually Palestine won’t eventually remerge as a single entity, you are ignoring history.
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February 19, 2010 5:42pm
Luc Hansen

Now, new depths being plumbed in the repression of information.

The wife of our Deputy PM and Finance Minister is going to court to seek the right NOT to inform pregnant women of their rights to an abortion.

The fundies are at it again!
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February 19, 2010 5:47pm
MikeNZ

so LUC
Why is Iran sending it’s proxy army Hizbullah all over Europe, Africa, South East Asia, South America and North America?
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February 19, 2010 5:49pm
kowtow

Luc, you love that reducto crap dont you . I suspect it makes you feel clever throwing a bit of Latin about .

So Iran supports terrorism in the ME and you call it justifiable influence seeking. Interesting comment!
I imagine your tune would be different if the Shah was still in charge there. Then it would be more imperialism.
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February 19, 2010 6:31pm
MikeNZ

LUC
You are a wanker of the lowest order.

She wants women to know fully what they are getting into as the abortion industry and Dr Greer won’t tell them everything they need to know.

Logically most women in this country who have an abortion are mentally ill as they can’t cope with having a baby which is a natural act/process.

So that means logically 18,000 Kiwi women a year should be under therapy for not being able to have children naturally?
I don’t know that the NZ Psychologists assn has enough members to service that many women patients each year let alone do it properly.

Maybe we need a law that a woman who has had an abortion due to mental health reasons should not be allowed to get pregnant until she has proven that she is well enough to have a child!

Ancillary to that do we need to make her be on Depo or some other drug so she can’t get pregnant until shes well?

This is all interesting stuff don’t you think?
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