General Debate 3 January 2010

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Gulag

NZ’s cyber spies win new powers
5:00am NEW CYBER-MONITORING measures have been quietly introduced giving police and Security Intelligence Service (SIS) officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone’s online life.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/3203413/NZs-cyber-spies-win-new-powers

MONITOR MY ANUS
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January 3, 2010 6:17am
KiwiGreg

Other annoying “news” in stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3203449/49-95-pullover-sparks-two-year-court-battle

There is a man with a real sense of entitlement.
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January 3, 2010 6:23am
jcuknz

Kiwigreg’s link gives us a perfect example of stupid rightwing thinking. Firstly the department should have rejected the request for both pullover and shoes because I doubt if you can get a decent pullover for less than $70 these days and the last pair of shoes I bought cost me $200 after several years of foollishly buying at the warehouse where the shoes are big and clunky. They compound this waste by letting him take them to court … completely idiotic.
I dislike the idea of too many people going to op-shops becuase then there will be nothing worthwhile there for me to find … last purchase was $2.50 for a quality but a bit worn sports jacket, $700 at Bob Shepard’s …. Next day I donated the jacket that cost me $10 a year or so ago, it was a bit tight around the shoulders, in return 🙂 When visiting the States a few years back I found a quite nice sleeveless jacket by a top American supplier [ Katmandu equiv.] for just US$10 in an op-shop. Still my favourite jacket 🙂
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January 3, 2010 7:48am
starboard

Question to mallard ( I know you are reading kb )..why run a blog ( redblert ) and delete/moderate/ban bloggers that you dont agree with? You are pathetic .
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January 3, 2010 7:50am
Whafe

What do you expect starboard, anything that disagrees will in the end flush out all the lefty bullshit and expose them for the pathetic individuals they are, along with them having to admit they have fucked our country in the last decade…
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January 3, 2010 8:08am
Pete George

Question to Starboard – why can’t blogs run themselves however they like? Isn’t it their business how they want to moderate/filter/censor?

DPF is staunchly pro free speech and open discussion, but there are some on Kiwiblog who would prefer to suppress anyone they disagree with, the only difference to them and what you claim about Red Alert is that they don’t run their own blogs.
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January 3, 2010 8:12am
starboard

I dont know which is worse…the strandard with the tiresome iprent or the blert with deluded and paranoid mallard
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January 3, 2010 8:17am
starboard

PG..dont you have some washing to do…
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January 3, 2010 8:25am
Pete George

Had you ever thought that if you don’t like them you don’t have to go there? Or do you just like to find things to criticise and moan about? Kiwiblog is not immune from pathetic posts either.
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January 3, 2010 8:26am
Leonidas

Had you ever thought that if you don’t like them you don’t have to go there? Or do you just like to find things to criticize and moan about?

pot, kettle, black?…..
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January 3, 2010 8:29am
dad4justice

Pot, kettle, black , oh gawd how mundane! Mallard the deluded thinks that it’s his right to play the man handle because the bully needs a ego smack down (try step me out Trev) . Lefty wimps are gutless twisted filth. He is a prime example.
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January 3, 2010 8:45am
Pete George

NZ’s cyber spies win new powers

Sounds bad, but is it? A few warrants granted, criminals prosecuted as a result.

Police say in the year to June 2009, there were 68 interception warrant applications granted and 157 people prosecuted as a result of those interceptions.
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January 3, 2010 8:54am
dad4justice

Petey – will the lost in space SIS still monitor the Fathers Rights Movement now male suicide in the Family Court has become a serious issue?
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January 3, 2010 8:58am
Pete George

Not sure what you are getting at Petey too. Is SIS communications monitoring a factor in male suicides?

157 prosecutions from 68 sounds reasonable, but what isn’t stated is how many of the interceptions did not result in a prosecution. They may be due to unjustified interest, or not getting sufficient interest to proceed to prosecution.
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January 3, 2010 9:14am
dad4justice

petey – my point is, a gender bias judge allows the cops and spooks to have the all powerful ” interception warrant”.
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January 3, 2010 9:20am
Pete George

Judges can have all sorts of biases. And interception warrants have to find or corroborate something illegal to have any real effect.

I’m aware of the relative powerlessness of men in family court issues. I doubt that interception warrants are a major factor, there are a lot of easier ways for men to be legally screwed.
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January 3, 2010 9:37am
dad4justice

Agreed pete.
Do have a productive day.
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January 3, 2010 9:38am
MikeNZ

As long as it has judicial oversight that is robust I don’t have a problem with it.
Now they need to list all the same terrorist orgs as Australia and a few more.
Unless they are using NZ as a conduit to watch them of course.
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January 3, 2010 9:41am
MikeNZ

Charles Krauthammer has a worthwhile read at Townhall.
http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2010/01/01/war_what_war?page=1

His last para sums up pretty well OB1’s refusal to call the Ft Hood and Detroit Bombers Islamist, Jihadist or anything other than what they are.

Any government can through laxity let someone slip through the cracks. But a government that refuses to admit that we are at war, indeed, refuses even to name the enemy — jihadist is a word banished from the Obama lexicon — turns laxity into a governing philosophy.

Others
http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2010/01/01/the_real_war
http://townhall.com/columnists/OliverNorth/2010/01/01/terror_2010
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January 3, 2010 10:13am
s.russell

Sorry, MikeNZ, but I don’t agree.

1) Quite simply, the pen is mightier than the sword. This is a battle that must be fought with words, not just with guns. Defining the enemy as “disturbed individuals” carrying out “criminal acts” is far smarter than glorifying them as “warriors fighting a holy war”.

2) Calling the bombers “Islamists” or anything similar is tainting a whole religion of a billion adherents with the insane actions of a tiny minority. It would be like denouncing Kiwi criminals as Christian criminals because most of them are technically Christians. It is a perfect way to radicalise the other 999,990,000 Muslims by blaming them by implication – thus achieving exactly what the bombers want.

Now, I am perfectly willing to point the finger over incompetence, but the tactics being used in the battle of language have actually become smarter since Obama became president.
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January 3, 2010 10:45am
reid

Meanwhile, demonstrating Muslim tolerance, on New Year’s day a man tried to kill the Danish cartoonist.
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January 3, 2010 12:44pm
Jack5

Gulag at 6.17 drew attention to the Sunday Star Times article: NZ’s cyber spies win new powers.

Gulag didn’t note this this story is by the loathsome Nicky Hager.

What a hypocrite. Hager, who claims to have used stolen emails in smearing Don Brash, objects to police and security powers to monitor net traffic. Is Hager frightened the powers may uncover the Parliamentary email thieves?
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January 3, 2010 2:38pm
Steve

I read a few comments about Trevor Mallard this morning.
He uses Red Blurt to boost his ego as a control freak. Anything he goes not agree with is termed trolling and gets moderated or deleted. On a bad hair day the commenter gets a permanent ban. Some of us in NZ do not like ex schoolteachers pushing us around just to earn brownie points in front of their mates.
Foxtrot Oscar Trev, have sex and travel.
Stick your bullying where the global warming sun don’t shine.
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January 3, 2010 5:25pm
reid

“On a bad hair day the commenter gets a permanent ban.”

That has just become my goal Steve. I’ll let you know how long it takes, starting now – 5:43 Jan 3.

DPF, can we please setup a competition thread?
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January 3, 2010 5:43pm
Fairfacts Media

I see Britain faces yet more cold and snow.
America does too.
While one swallow does not make a summer, it must weaken the AGW case.
There are stories of Britain facing one of its coldest winters in 100 years.
Weather forecaster Mr Bastardi also warns of a major storm event to hit Britain next week.
I have blogged this over at the Fairfacts Media Show.
Indeed, it is so bad, as noted by Drudge Report, the cold is even killing people in India.
How long will the warmist faith survive?
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January 3, 2010 5:55pm
Pete George

What if the climate flips into a rapid onset ice age? That could cause a lot more problems than warming. Burning more oil and coal wouldn’t help for long.

Either way I doubt any major trend will be apparent in my lifetime. A decade is a very short timespan to prove anything like this, one season means nothing.
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January 3, 2010 6:03pm
Steve

Here is a guy with determination. That Waikato river is not kind sometimes.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=168798
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January 3, 2010 6:08pm
dad4justice

Thinking of Mallard makes me mad.
Can we please have a demerit free day Sir David?
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January 3, 2010 6:54pm
Steve

Go for it Dad, see what happens. I don’t think DPF will be too hard on you, a lot of bloggers have had a gutsfull of the mad duck. The more he bullys, the more he strokes his ego and other things.
If you thought H1 was bad, wait until this deluded prick gets the reins
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January 3, 2010 7:07pm
Pete George

On issues like global warming and evolution, scientists need to speak up
– by Chris Mooney, Knight fellow in science journalism at MIT

…the task of translating science for the public is ever more difficult: Information sources are multiplying, partisan news outlets are replacing more objective media, and the news cycle is spinning ever faster.
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January 3, 2010 7:38pm
Steve

Westergaard?
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January 3, 2010 8:17pm
jaba

can we have a week with NOTHING about global fkg warming?
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January 3, 2010 8:43pm
Brian Smaller

jcuknz – $200 for a pair of shoes? I shoe our whole family for that. We buy all our shoes at No1 Shoe Warehouse – eseically good when they have their Buy 2 get third one free deal. I am happy with what I get. My son has odd feet, and I was looking at rugby boots for him this year and because he has flat and wide feet trying to find decent brands that fitted him was nigh impossible. We were looking at $200-$300 pairs of boots. Walked into No1 and found a pair that fit like a glove for $34.00. He had his best year of rugby ever, and was able to play complete game without hurting his feet. That bludger in the linked story should have budgeted.
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January 3, 2010 9:24pm
jcuknz

Brian Smaller — each to their own — For years I have bought ‘cheap’ shoes and saw no point in buying different. But the trouble with cheap shoes is that you have to keep on replacing them also heavy and clunky for my old feet [ very stylish 🙂 ]. For a growing child this makes sense as they grow out of them but for an adult it doesn’t. Though with the cost of repair, $35 just to renew the heels of a pair of shoes I’ve had for well over twenty years, it makes you question things. I would say that the discount importers were to be credited with appreciating that the average kiwi has broad feet and brought in shoes to fit us. In the old days I had to search and search for broad fittings.
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