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Pete George

Shades of Magenta

Some think they’re left
Some think they’re right
Everyone’s arse is in the centre
The sun can shine
All shit can stink
Rose tint or not, red blue’s magenta
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January 24, 2010 7:49am
Rod

Anybody in Wellington able to help out Richard North?
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/keeping-it-in-family.html
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January 24, 2010 9:14am
Rod

If you still believe in the Global Warming scam, folks, here is where you get when you start to follow the money. Its a story about how to publish a false but scary claim in an authoritative place (IPCC), and then persuade politicians (in this case the EU) to stump up big money to “research” it. This is shocking stuff.
It looks to me like our ETS has shaky foundations too and that JK needs to get rid of it quick before he gets sucked into this fast developing mess as well.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/pauchauri-eu-caught-by-glaciergate-hype.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/23/highnoon-for-pachauri/
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January 24, 2010 9:35am
tristanb

It just gets worse for ass-grabber Robin Brooke, great photo:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/3257471/Ex-All-Black-Brookes-Fiji-high-jinks-in-drag

Unfortunately the nerds at Wikipedia don’t think any of this recent scandal should be in their encyclopaedia.

And in other celebrity news, Millie Elder ‘might’ have jail time. In my opinion she should have been in the slammer a long time ago given all the crime she’s committed! It pisses me off that a celebrity can get away with drug and property crime, but the lawmakers are worried about people downloading mp3s.
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January 24, 2010 9:42am
Pete George

This was linked to in a previous thread.

I find it hard to believe that a party that campainged on tax cuts can be having a serious debate about ways to raise more taxes.

Property taxes for goodness sake! Don’t they know we pay enough in rates and many asset rich but cash flow poor households will have real trouble paying any more?

The whole thing is ludicrous. National needs to cut spending and that’s that!

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=909&p=27889#p27889

Just reducing spending is not the answer. Of course spending should be kept to a reasonable minimum. But if you don’t restructure taxes some people keep getting away with paying less tax than they should, leaving others to pay more tax than they should.
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January 24, 2010 10:11am
kaya

Predictions from Trends Institute, I love the one on neo survivalism in particular, also TB or not TB………

The Collapse of 2010

In November of 2007, we predicted the “Panic of ’08.” There was a panic. In November of 2008, we forecast the “Collapse of ’09.” In March ‘09, the global equity markets collapsed. But before they could crash all the way to the ground, a scaffold of emergency props was erected. An unparalleled array of government cash infusions, rescue packages, bailouts and incentives papered over the crisis.

Today, even as government spokesmen and the major media proclaim that the world is emerging from its near-cataclysmic recession, we predict the “Crash of 2010.” The rising equity markets, on which claims of recovery are based, are worlds away from the hard reality of the streets….

Terrorism 2010

While we can’t predict precise dates or the magnitude of terror attacks, we can be fairly certain they are on the way. The “Fort Hood Gunman” is being recognized by the intelligence community as the poster boy for an alarming new terror phenomenon termed “lone-wolf, self-radicalized gunmen.”

Years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq – and now Pakistan – have intensified anti-American sentiment and increased the number of individuals seeking revenge. NATO allies contributing troops to the wars will also be targeted……

Not Welcome Here

In 2010, the anti-immigration movement, long building, will arrive and stay in the US and abroad. America and Europe, with their immigrant populations close to double digits, are experiencing an identity crisis.

In Europe, fear and resentment of Muslims has led to huge gains for anti-immigrant political parties. In the US, with mid-term elections coming up, what to do about the “illegals” will be a hot- button issue that will top the political agenda and serve as a galvanizing force for a new party…..

Mothers of Invention

The ongoing shock to the economic system is rebooting “Yankee ingenuity.” The need to overcome the effects of reduced individual buying power will lead to the invention of a new class of product which will be a major trend of 2010 and into the future: “Technology for The Poor.”

Growing with the same speed as the Internet Revolution, the trend will be recognized, explored and exploited by legions of skilled but jobless geeks, innovators and inventors who will design and launch a new class of products and services affordable by millions of newly downscaled Western consumers……

Depression Uplift

As times get tougher and money gets scarcer, one of the hottest new money-making, mood-changing, influence-shaping trends of the century will soon be born. We forecast that this will be “Elegance” in its many manifestations.

The trend will begin with fashion and spread through all the creative arts, as the need for beauty trumps the thrill of the thuggish. A strong, do-it-yourself aspect will make up for reduced discretionary income, as personal effort provides the means for affordable sophistication…..

Neo-Survivalism

In 2010, survivalism will go mainstream. Unemployed or fearing it, foreclosed or nearing it, pensions lost and savings gone, all sorts of folk who once believed in the system have lost their faith.

Motivated not by worst-case scenario fears but by do-or-die necessity, the new non-believers, unwilling to go under or live on the streets, will devise ingenious stratagems to beat the system, get off the grid (as much as possible), and stay under the radar……

TB or not TB

About two-thirds of Americans are Too Big (TB) for their own good and everyone else’s. We forecast a massed revulsion for TB in all its manifestations – obesity is only the most obvious.

Everything in America is TB . Houses, cars, debt loads, deficits, state budgets, the states themselves, foreign aid, military budgets, bureaucracies local, state, federal and “too big to fail” businesses – they’re all Too Big.

Apart from government action, the “Shape Up” trend will provide a wide array of business opportunities…..

Not Made in China

A “Buy Local/My Country First” backlash will be the first sign of what we forecast will become a massive, “circle-the-wagons” movement. We forecast a “Not Made in China” consumer crusade that will spread among developed nations, leading to trade wars and protectionism.

Craftspeople and small manufacturers that can establish a reputation for quality products will be able to build thriving micro-brands, while marketers who can amalgamate micro-cooperatives into true local commerce organizations will carve a solid niche for themselves……
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January 24, 2010 10:16am
Pete George

Interesting Kaya. Like all predictions, some will happen, some will partially happen, sometime, and some probably won’t happen.

While I am all for a TB revolt it will take a major change in popular mindset for that to happen. There is a widespread obsession with being noticed, and BIG is an easy way to achieve that.

“Look at how modest I am” is going to be a difficult trend to set.
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January 24, 2010 10:28am
Redbaiter

Scott Brown wavering?-

“I voted for health care here (in Massachusetts) ….we’re past campaign mode and it’s important for everyone to get some form of healthcare. So to offer a basic plan for everyone I think is important….there are some very good things in the national health care plan that is being proposed”
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January 24, 2010 10:37am
Redbaiter

Who is Elle Light?

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/01/letter_writer_claims_diverse_r.html
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January 24, 2010 10:45am
Redbaiter

Blog posting identifies “Ellie Light”-

“I believe Ellie Light is a journalist by the name of Samantha Power. The meaning of the name ellie is light. An Ellie is also a national magazine award which Ms. Power won in 2005 for a piece in New Yorker magazine, entitled Dying in Darfur.

She worked for then Senator Barack Obama and then on his presidential campaign before she was forced to resign for referring to Hillary Clinton as a monster.

While there, she met then later married Cass Sunstein who works in the Obama administration as Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs .

Wwhile at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-“independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites.”

http://connect.cleveland.com/user/piperbaye/index.html

More deceit and chicanery from Obama and his gang of crooks.
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January 24, 2010 11:09am
kowtow

RE Kaya@1016 and circling wagons and not welcome here .When you read the PC human rights madness that’s going on in the UK it’s no wonder there’s a growing backlash.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/7060947/Killer-cant-be-deported-because-he-might-kill-again.html

I also enjoyed the recent story about the rival Somali pirates fighting over the ransom for a seized tanker and crew.One group calls for assistance from the Western powers to drive off the other group so the ransom can be paid and the naval force involved obliges!! Nelson would be turning in his grave.
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January 24, 2010 11:27am
Viking2

http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/21/the-governments-endless-appeti

http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/13/who-wants-to-tax-a-millionaire
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January 24, 2010 11:38am
Guy Fawkes

O’Bummer is finding the going tough right now. One year on, and nothing has changed. Fox News has got him by the balls, and have hugely increased their audience. Change you can believe in, has become the classic USP that was based on NLP, and will come back to haunt him.

The Kenyan isn’t looking very special anymore, and he appears to have caught Gordon Brown’s bad luck. Dithering is an affliction that affects them both, and yet they had no hesitation in plunging their respective citizens into generational tax debt. Why? because they can’t fucking well count!
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January 24, 2010 11:40am
Viking2

http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/22/fight-ben-bernanke-while-you-s
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January 24, 2010 11:44am
Viking2

The magnitude of the damage is daunting. Last year’s $7 billion budgetary shortfall now stands at $8 billion and growing. The fiscal patches of 2009—stimulus money, tax hikes, and program cuts—spent their magic six months into FY 2010. With the nation’s highest property taxes (an average of $7000 per capita), an eight-bracket, progressive income tax, a $45 billion debt load, and the net loss of more than half a million residents since 2000, New ******* is suffering the painful fallout of its long-running policy of fleecing residents to benefit politically-connected special interests.

The Garden State’s budget has been crippled by spending schemes that largely benefit a well-paid and unionized public sector,

With the nation’s highest property taxes (an average of $7000 per capita), an eight-bracket, progressive income tax, a $45 billion debt load, and the net loss of more than half a million residents since 2000, New ******** is suffering the painful fallout of its long-running policy of fleecing residents to benefit politically-connected special interests.

Sound in anyway familiar?

We can either follow their example which is where we are at right now or make a change before we get that bad.
the rest of the story here.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/22/exiting-new-jerseys-fiscal-nig
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January 24, 2010 12:05pm
NeillR

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621939
Isn’t it time to get tough on gangs? It seems like this may have been some form of initiation, so why not bring in a “gang-busting” law, whereby the gang leaders are held responsible for the actions of their members or initiates?

I would propose something along the lines of “conspiracy to commit” offences where causal links between the leaders and members is automatic. The gang leaders would therefore be rounded up and put in prison for the actions of their associates. It seems to me to be the fastest way to alter the gangs’ behaviour.
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January 24, 2010 12:52pm
Fisiani

That laid back feeling you have is called freedom.
You are free to look for work, you are free to employ someone on a trial.
You are free to have an opinion in the civil service and not be sacked for your beliefs or the beliefs of your friends or family.
You are free to choose to buy a light bulb or a shower head.
You are free to know the Government is working for you and not for the favoured few.
Freedom Freedom Freedom
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January 24, 2010 1:45pm
jaba

re the Robin Brooke incident .. god knows what was going on in his head when he apparently did what he did. A totally unnecessary and stupid action that I would suggest happens hundreds of time in bars beaches etc all over NZ and thousand’s of times around the world .. per day.
The continued complaining by the girls parents (great to see they are supporting her, don’t get me wrong) and the constant reporting in the media is just plain crazy .. move on people.
A woman I work with once told me about her trip around Europe, Italy in particular, and she said if she was paid a $ every time her arse was pinched by total strangers, she would be a millionaire.
Now this wanker Minto .. I see he has a new victim lined up .. the USA along side shit for brains Keith Locke.
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January 24, 2010 2:18pm
Redbaiter

” A totally unnecessary and stupid action that I would suggest happens hundreds of time in bars beaches etc all over NZ and thousand’s of times around the world .. per day.”

Bullshit.

Brooke needs to go down, for indecent assault and assault (on the boy friend who tried to protect the girl).

I don’t know many fourty year old men who make a habit of groping young girl’s arses in public. Especially when they don’t know them. In fact I don’t know any men who would pinch a strange woman on the arse. You must live in a weird damn neighborhood if that kind of behaviour is commonplace.
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January 24, 2010 2:27pm
adc

who else thinks Matt McCarten must be a commie? What’s with all these pinko journos pushing for more ways to tax the people that are already propping up this country?

Drive the actual taxpayers out, and then what will he do when the bottom tax bracket goes up to 60% just to pay for anything?
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January 24, 2010 2:30pm
jaba

Redbaiter .. you must live in a monastery .. I have had my arse pinched in bars in the very weired town called Auckland on a few occasions by mothers/aunties of the bride on hens nights.
Why should Brooke “go down” for that for gods sake. The so called entertainer got a hand smacking and name suppression for what he did.
Brooke did a stupid thing and he has paid for it big time already .. what’s your gripe that makes this so important??
It is commonplace (in certain places at certain times) .. why don’t you find some woman and ask if it has ever happened to them at least once in their lives.
Why is this whole eposide being drawn out .. charge the man, fine him a couple of hundy, make him apoligse and get on with life.
If having her arse pinched by an idiot is the worse thing to happen to the girl, then she is a lucky girl .. goodness me, such anger.
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January 24, 2010 3:02pm
mike tan

Jaba, you ignore the difference in the context, getting your ass pinched in some weird but socially acceptable situation is a world away from having it happen to a young girl, by a much older man at what should be a happy, safe time of celebration.

The fact that the bloke has a reputation is what is fueling the fire behind the story + the silly photo to boot, pretty much a late xmas prezzie to the media.

For me personally, ass pinching is never socially acceptablel.
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January 24, 2010 3:30pm
mike tan

Last line should read:

“For me personally, ass pinching strangers is never socially acceptable, and is infact a classless act of sexual assault”

but it seems to be much less than that to you, to the extent where you defend the so called “ass pinchers”

to each their own..
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January 24, 2010 3:34pm
mike tan

Also, based on what we know right now, there is no parallel between this case and that of the entertainer, namely because it seems like Brookes actions were unprovoked
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January 24, 2010 3:40pm
MikeNZ

yep
indecent assault and take his firearms licence off him for a violent crime of assault against the kid who came to her aid.
Now wheres the next celebrity we can kick over before they get name suppression.
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January 24, 2010 3:43pm
mike tan

I should note that its important not to arrive at any conclusions until all the facts are out there, and they may never well be..
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January 24, 2010 3:45pm
MikeNZ

get real Mike, of course not as the island police didn’t do their job properly and the parents didn’t lay charges immediately as HE was a big hero!

Lucky sod it wasn’t my daughter as he’d have been charged the same day and civil action to boot.
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January 24, 2010 3:51pm
jaba

anyone who pinches the bottom of a female (or male) whether they are 15 or 50 is unacceptable behaviour. If Brooke had done it to my now 27 yo daughter, she would have found a chair, she is 5′ 2″, hopped on it and slapped/punched the moron or made such a fuss in front of all present that he would have crawled away and hid in a hole somewhere.
The issue is .. what should happen in legal terms to arse pincher’s be they “entertainers”, ex All Blacks or MP’s or Johnny the builder??? Redbaiter wants Brooke to go down which means he wants all arse pincher’s to go down .. or maybe just well known ones. Wow, big call. (I asume he means prison).
The Police have far more important things to do .. monitoring Cameron for instance.
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January 24, 2010 4:05pm
mike tan

From where im sitting, the issue looks like a transparent, open shut indecent assault case. Initially, i considered that there is always the possibility of the whole issue being fabricated as a means of financial gain, but i conceeded that the % of new zealand parents willing to exploit their children in such a way is at best nil, at worst extremely low so its pretty much irrelevant to consider this
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January 24, 2010 4:08pm
Swiftman the infidel

I’ve got a hideous computer virus.

Bullguard is useless and cost me $50.

Can anyone recommend a free product/website.

Please!
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January 24, 2010 4:10pm
mike tan

Well it comes down to how serious a violation of an individuals liberty “ass pinching” is, well according to our society anyway

Matters like this are usually settled out of court, saving police resources and keeping the private lives of both parties out of the public arena
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January 24, 2010 4:14pm
Viking2

Blogged eslewhere.

Did anyone else see this on TV1 last night? David Beckham gets sexually assaulted by some female reporter. The female news reader on one thought she was brave.

I hope that David insists on her being charged. There is already a double standard when a woman assults a man. This is sexual assault and should be treated as such.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/blogger-bites-back/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501366&objectid=10621664

Sorry, but who cares? This is mindless rubbish in the scheme of things and who ever knows the truth. Just Like the manufactured reporting on the Robin Brookes saga at a Fiji resort on New Years EVE when dozens were participating in hijinks.
All printed to sell newspapers to people whose minds are bored.
The papers are so hopelessly staffed with breathless reporters and even more hopeless editors that they don’t even have minds large enough to void the trivia.

Non of anybody else’s business and in Brookes case the mother, (no doubt a big fat lefty who hates capitalists, solo mother comes to mind, unionist, femmist, etc ) is continuing with the abuse and victimization of her 15 yr old daughter, (ACC claim coming up),( would you want to be her going back into high school after all this bullshit?), aided and abetted by lawyers needing legal aid (for which the taxpayer will front),and newspapers whose management is so hopeless that they consider the only way to sell their rapidly going extinct dead tree press is to run with this garbage.

Place all this rubbish in the delete bin where it belongs.
Harden up and be a bit more discerning about the rubbish you feed your minds.
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January 24, 2010 4:18pm
Bok2

If you brooke supporters read the original complaint, you might be a bit red faced.

He did it once (sexual assault to a girl that could be his daughter.)
She complained, told him that it was unexceptable, and he did it again. Then when a kid comes to her rescue, the “big man” decides to bully him as well.

Brooke is a coward and a lowlife for this action. he is welcome to my address if he wants to address that statement with me. We have mutual friends that he can get my name from as well. And next time I am in NZ I will tell him to his face.

Despicable. Brooke you are a lowlife.
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January 24, 2010 4:21pm
nickb

Swiftman, try AVG, Ad-Aware, or Spybot Search and Destroy
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January 24, 2010 4:22pm
Swiftman the infidel

Thanks nickb
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January 24, 2010 4:26pm
Bok2

Viking, would you feel the same way if it was your daughter who was attacked? i would not
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January 24, 2010 4:26pm
nickb

Swiftman go to http://download.cnet.com/windows/

Excellent site, can get loads of free stuff there, including those 3 programs
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January 24, 2010 4:28pm
big bruv

V2

Sadly the type of behaviour Brooke got up to is common from our rugby players, for years and years the press refused to print or report it, many of these overpaid thugs are not much better than some of the criminal scum who walk our streets but because they happen to wear the sacred black jersey many of us look the other way.

I am not one of them, the more these thugs are exposed for what they actually are the better, the Aussie press are finally prepared to report the antics of the league lowlife and the sooner our press become brave enough to really go after the rugby players the sooner these men might realise that a black jersey is not a free pass to act like an idiot in public.
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January 24, 2010 4:33pm
Bok2

In fact Viking, I usually respect your opinion. but the post above rates up there with rogernomes’s posts.
Assault of young women has nothing to do with political beliefs.
I hope your daughters , if you have any, can depend on your protection.

The guy not only attack the girl, the coward had a crack at bulling 17 year old who tried to defend her.
Next you are going to suggest that she asked for it.

Man that was one screwed up post. The guy has reaped the benefits of being a public figure. He got plenty of money and plenty of adoration. Now he should man up and take the dealing to he deserves for this cowardly act.
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January 24, 2010 4:33pm
mike tan

you make the mistake in assuming the media aren’t a bunch of circling vultures, this means fabrication, entrapment , blackmail all to tarnish the reputation of someone notable, for nothing other than financial gain in the form of readership/subscriptions..
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January 24, 2010 4:36pm
Hurf Durf

24th already? Shit, I want to go back to New Year.
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January 24, 2010 4:37pm
Bok2

And the biggest joke is this line…
“ust Like the manufactured reporting on the Robin Brookes saga at a Fiji resort on New Years EVE when dozens were participating in hijinks.”

Then you go on to manufacture your own facts, such as her weight, employment, marital status and political beliefs. The facts were corroborated.
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January 24, 2010 4:38pm
nickb

Totally agreed bruv. what a prick the man is.
Hopefully he gets his arse handed to him in a long and drawn out civil lawsuit, because it appears the fijiian police fell to All-Black Awe syndrome.
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January 24, 2010 4:39pm
Viking2

UN wrongly linked global warming to natural disasters
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e … 000063.ece
Jonathan Leake, Science and Environment Editor

THE United Nations climate science panel faces new controversy for wrongly linking global warming to an increase in the number and severity of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods.

more at;http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32&p=27923#p27923
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January 24, 2010 4:44pm
jaba

V2 .. I did see Beckham get the golden balls grabbed .. it was hilarious especially the slow mo of the expression on his face.
I assume she will be prosecuted, publicly shamed both locally and internationally and “go down”
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January 24, 2010 4:56pm
jaba

bloody hell .. Carmel Sepa something is suggesting Te U Flavell “could” be lying to Maori while acting as a translator at Ratana .. umm, really, how many Maori can’t speak English??? (RednotsoAlert)
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January 24, 2010 5:17pm
Viking2

The whole point of my post was that it has happened since time began, will continue till time runs out. It ain’t news, its mindless crap and the continuing push by mother smacks of all the worst type of extortion.
Its interesting that so far no one has bothered to report about the girl involved. How she just happened to be unaccompanied by any responsible adult in a bar setting and no one has commented on her or the fellows behavoir. I have no idea what it is and really I don’t fucking care. Its the world, its people and their behavoir and frankly after the last few months and dealing with some very shitty females I suspect there are few that get what they deserve.
The ain’t all saints. Quite the opposite.
This is a TV one news/newspaper makeup for ratings which will continue on while you suckers bother to give them air.
Ask any of them to do some half descent analysis of this Govt and policy or the discussion about tax and frankly they don’t have the brains to do it, so they feed you out mindless social news.
Bok , had one of grand daughters attacked by a drunk, attacked another a few days before. When her boyfriend(and they were both 17 at the time) went to her defense and give the fellow a bunch of fives he finished up being charged and the arsewhole got nothing. Nothing new anywhere. Cops took the easy way out despite it all being on a servo camera,inside but not outside where the knuckle up happened.
Taught my grand daughters something. Make sure you can look after yourself in this world because the cops won’t help and mostly are never there anyway. No fuss made because the fellow wasn’t an ex allblack with money to extort. Ha. yeh that’s right.
Being close to the store and talking to reps. I am aware that the store has suffered quite badly and that’s despite a lot of effort on Brookes part to build up his business. Show what damage can be done by malicious people.
By the way don’t know Brooke and if he did wrong then he needs to sort it out. If I was Brooke the Herald would never be a product for sale in my store ever again. That’s what Foodstuffs would do to any other supplier that caused them grief. I’ve seen it happen more than once.
But as I said this is all mindless garbage and not worth the time wasted on it.
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January 24, 2010 6:50pm
Bok2

yep Viking and now you want Brooke, who in this case is the drunk arsehole, to get away with it as well. or are you saying your grand daughter was looking for it and deserved what she got? So the cops took the easy way out and you were too gutless to fight for your grand daughter. That is entirely your prerogative, just dont attack others who actually does stand up and say “enough is enough”. You complain that the cops did not want to do something for your daughter and the girl in fiji’s parents are upset because the cops did not want to do something there. As for brooke’s business, cry my a fucking river. He got pissed , he assaulted a child, he can carry the can. or do you want us all to do it for him?

Here is the rub. Brooke is an All Black and you support him, the guy who attacked your grand daughter (what was she doing there anyway? according to your logic) was what “maori?, Unemployed? not a celebrity?’ so he was an arsehole.

Here is a little info for you. Brooke attacked the girl at a upmarket resort, hardly the solo mum beneficiary hangout you want people to believe. And the guy was an all black, you expect he has a few social graces, but the truth is he was a thug. If he does not front, he demeans the jumper and the fern.

And one other thing if I was drunk and beat some kid up I deserve to carry the consequences, it is what every right leanng person in NZ faught for, got rid of Helen for. For us to be responsible for ourselves and that means the good and the bad.
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January 24, 2010 7:22pm
MT_Tinman

Viking I think I see the point you are trying to make and to a certain extent I agree with you … BUT

You are wrong.

Yes, the slime are pushing this because they are too fucking lazy to find the real stories but Brook, whether he likes it or not, is a well known NZer and when he commits a disgusting act of sexual thuggery (as this has been reported to have been) not only does he have to deal with the consequences as an ordinary Joe would but he must face the fact that as a public person his indiscretions will make the headlines.

One positive is the kid he snotted was an Ocker but that is offset by his reputation (earned or not) as a right scumbag in social situations.

As an aside had the piece of shit grabbed my daughters ass he’d be facing the judge from a wheelchair, I would have kneecapped the bastard.
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January 24, 2010 7:53pm
jaba

Redbaiter and bok2 .. tell us all what you think should happen to Brooke. Advise the charge (assume he is found guilty), what punishment does he deserve and will it include a criminal conviction limiting future overseas travel.
Now, should ALL people who pinch the bottoms of others get the same penalty??
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January 24, 2010 8:24pm
Viking2

Are we not all getting a bit emotional over this. After all we have only the news makers side of the story and what was the “grab at the girls bum” really all about and just how serious was it?
As I said I don’t know and still don’t fucking care. Not my issue and its not my place to judge unless I am in full possession of the facts and I’m not and neither is anyone else as far as I can tell.
There are certainly plenty of prejudices coming to the fore.

Its all really rather boring shit.

Perhaps you would all like to help this fellow out as well.

http://player.video.news.com.au/couriermail/#2XKHtz5ZPq5ka2zWRbIqLrEP1VsWJONE
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January 24, 2010 8:47pm
Redbaiter

Viking2 is so far off the mark its not worth debating with him. Do some research on the girl and the family you dumbarse and find out how incredibly wrong you are.

” what punishment does he deserve”

3 years on each assault charge.

“and will it include a criminal conviction limiting future overseas travel.”

Why the fuck not. Is he fucking God to you or something?? Or is it just that your moral base is so fucked you wouldn’t know your arse from your elbow when it came to right and wrong??
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January 24, 2010 8:56pm
Pete George

Are we not all getting a bit emotional over this.

I think some of us might be.
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January 24, 2010 9:36pm
Whafe

Viking2 = you are fully entitled to your opinion, but can I suggest that he grabbed her ass twice! Not just once, big difference….

Truth is, dont interfere in someone’s space, if you do, face the consequences… Simple….

I can tell you now, if any older dude grabbed his daughters ass (Twice), the dude would be struggling to walk…

This is as boring as watching the grass grow, punish him accordingly. Who gives a fuck if he was an All Black, what the fuck does that have to do with anything, he still invaded someone’s space….
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January 24, 2010 9:39pm
Luc Hansen

For once I agree with Viking2. You guys have got much more weighty matters to debate than gossip etc.

I receive regular emails form a Palestinian (Greek Orthodox Christian) peace activist and it’s pleasing to see that they are developing more awareness of their actual history outside of the biblical myths. This is an extract:

“Then we moved up the hill to the old city. I remember walking these roads
and roaming around the area when I taught in Jerusalem in 1978 and 1979 (at
Schmidt Girls College). Nostalgia at seeing familiar structures and
buildings (the old YMCA, the schools, the American Consulate, the Churches
and mosques) is mixed with apprehension at seeing the scarring that
destroyed many other familiar landmarks. The city I think will slowly become
totally unrecognizable. It will become like an extension of Tel Aviv
(except populated with more religious Jews). Now I realize cities do change
in time. But this is different. Jerusalem was a city that is multi-ethnic
and multi-religious. Many occupiers tried to change its character by force
(Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, British, etc) but the people of the
city have always clung to traditions and resisted changes. And there were
only two periods were there was massive ethnic cleansing: a) when the
crusaders came in the middle ages (removing and killing local Eastern
Orthodox, Jewish, and Muslim residents), and b) in 1948 when Western
Jerusalem was completely cleared of Palestinian residents (some 23,000 born
before Jan 1948 and now the total refugees from that part of the city is
93,000, see data in
http://www.jerusalemquarterly.org/images/ArticlesPdf/3_Jerusalem%2048.pdf )
and concomitantly nearly 2000 Jews removed from Eastern Jerusalem. The old
Jewish quarter has always been Muslim Waqf land whose residents before 1948
paid rent to. For data on population changes through historic Palestine,
see
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story559.html .

At this point, I know some will say that ethnic cleansing was done by the
Romans when “the Jews” were expelled following the Bar Kokhba revolt. But
historically this is not true. First, there was no such thing as the Jews
but residents of Judea who were referred to as Judeans (in Arabic, Hebrew,
and Aramaic variations on Yahudi best translated as Judean not Jew). These
Judeans practiced different religions including many pagan traditions. Some
religions were shared by other Palestinians (e.g. monotheistic traditions
shared between some Samaritans and some Judeans). The revolt by radical
Pharisee elements was against the Roman appointed Herod dynasty (Herod, of
Idumean background, was considered kind of the Judeans). These radical
elements were the ones who were removed from Jerusalem, not the Judean
population. Judeans in Jerusalem at the time who continued to live there
included many who believed in Baal, YHW/Yahweh, and El/El Elyon (Elohim in
Hebrew, Alla in Aramaic, Allah and Arabic), and the nascent Christian
tradition (and later ofcourse many adopted Islam). The languages spoken
included not only Greek and Latin but various dialects of Aramaic including
those that are recognizable Arabic and spoken Hebrew dialects (although the
latter was mostly for religious rituals). Many forget that the Arabic
alphabet evolved here in the Holy Land from Nebatean Proto Aramaic!”

Funny thing is, it’s Israeli researchers who increasingly inform the world of these facts!
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January 24, 2010 9:51pm
Redbaiter

Whatever the standard of the previous discussion, It looks like that great load of deranged extremist ranting has killed the whole GD thread stone dead. Hardly surprising.
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January 24, 2010 11:22pm
Luc Hansen

Hey, Redbaiter, where’s the ad hominem?

Everyone else gets it, why not me?

What about me?
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January 24, 2010 11:38pm
Tassman

Social Housing
Issues for social housing have gradually developed into complex relations, especially during the last decade. The nature of current economic and political decisions has surfaced a social trend among low income families and individuals. Its coercive nature is particularly reflected upon families with teenaged children, along with families who are newly immigrated into the neighbourhood. This pressure is also shared by individuals who are semi dependant and carrying an addiction, as well as your local gang affiliated neighbourhoodies.

As I have mentioned on my Social Relations blog: http://www.noonchorus-june.blogspot.com ‘The Future’, normal communication across members of society are somewhat characteristic of rebellious and extreme attitudes.

HNZC is like any other bureaucratic and big corporation which set out to minimize service and obligations in order to make a profit. An in the doing so it is likely to reward workers who save the company money more than those who are helping the needies. HNZC has thus resorted to the authority including the Tenancy Tribunal, the Police, the local City Council, and to its own community vigilant groups for resolutions.

This process has been advanced in favour of HNZC and other landlords by depriving tenants support workers in Tribunal Hearings and in Mediations while HNZC has the full support of their own technical staff and their own lawyers.

The landlord is responsible for repair from normal wear and tear, but this liability is often delayed until the tenant is moved out. The tenant is not aware of any need for repairs or final inspection but is surprised to receive a bill, after redecoration repairs are carried out. These bills are usually kept up to and under $2000 in compliance with the RTA 1986 standards.

Some tenants have gone beyond the level of decent communication with HNZC to have any effective communication of issues and where a third party intervention is inevitable. But Mediation in these cases is only a formality when a decision is already on the pipeline.

The tension between HNZC and local tenants has redirected blames on newly immigrated tenants into the neighborhood. They are blamed for taking over houses when locals have waiting on the queue for years. The new tenants who are often refugees from war torn countries end up isolated and further alienated by the local circumstances.

Along with these folks are those vulnerable semi dependant addicts are mostly live alone. Frowned upon by refugees as criminals, these semi dependant addicts are themselves easy targets of another peer group following the drug scene. It is where HNZC tenancies are tarnished by violence and crime. Semi dependant addicts end up in prison cells or back on the streets while the real culprits of the drug scene get away free. [Right now, HNZC is pursuing the eviction of another semi dependant at the Tribunal as this is posted online.]

The social reality is where the Police State is set on a path of brutal relations and harsh punishments as the poor endure a struggle of extreme ends.
As this it the result of economic stimulus and political decisions, the resolution rests with the same discretion. Under democratic consensus, objective economic projects quantify a social purpose not only to the social order of society also the stability of mass economic consumption.

This requires the intervention of community minded management who are conscious of social relations in terms of humanity and the environment. Social Housing would organize coherent relations of a community and not the social consequences of political and economic decisions such as dealing with rebellious and extreme behaviour. Meantime, the alternative is where capitalist economists continue to strip the material in the destruction of our families and our communities.
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