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January 22, 2010 7:09am by David Farrar

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Guy Fawkes

The last couple of Rocks in the Pacific are getting a very good press.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100023258/new-zealand-our-furthest-and-nearest-ally/
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January 22, 2010 7:13am
Chicken Little

I wonder when National will start preparing the ground to repeal the ETS?

The ‘looking like a complete bunch of cocks’ meter is rising by the day.
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January 22, 2010 7:20am
Pete George

IRD focus on property tax dodgers

Inland Revenue is zeroing in on 300 property investors believed to have dodged millions in taxes, including one who could be hit for not disclosing $8 million of profits.

New Zealand does not have a capital gains tax for family homes, but tax must be paid by people in the business of buying other property to sell for profit. Frequent purchases and sales over a short period is a key indicator of a motive of profit.

The other 1700 investors under investigation bought and sold at least six properties each during the past four years.

Investigators were also homing in on 9700 households receiving Working for Families and using losses on rental properties they owned to boost the amount they get from taxpayers by a collective $13 million a year.
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January 22, 2010 7:21am
Pete George

Some interesting views on us from our antipodeans, worth reading through the comments.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100023258/new-zealand-our-furthest-and-nearest-ally/
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January 22, 2010 7:33am
mickysavage

Wow look at this, thousands lining up for a few poorly paid jobs. And I thought that all unemployed were bludgers?
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January 22, 2010 8:10am
dad4justice

Trouble is looming due to massive unemployment, but John Boy Key has his head in the utopian clouds where all is well.
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January 22, 2010 8:14am
peterwn

Wooley thinking is creeping into debate on the tax report and I suspect there is wooley thinking in the report itself.

Assuming a ‘land tax’ is adopted, a comment was made that it would be politically unacceptavle for owner-occupier houses. Assked about baches – mmmmmm – probably not unless the baches are rented out. This is IMO the start of a slippery slope. I do not have time to develop the theme, but leave this thought. In the longer term, it is the tenants of privately owned rental houses who will be effectively paying land tax on the houses/ flats they occupy, not the landlords. Why should tenants pay land tax but not owner-occupiers.
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January 22, 2010 8:15am
calendar girl

Some semblance of order seems to be coming at last to the organisation of aid distribution within Haiti. Some 9 days after this disaster occurred I have to ask: “Where was the United Nations’ ability to coordinate relief efforts over the first week, or was it just assumed again to be the USA’s responsibility ?”
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January 22, 2010 8:23am
Pete George

Calendar girl, have you any real idea how difficult it has been operating in Haiti, and have you any idea what has been done, by many organisations? Keep in mind that the UN presence there was pretty much demolished in the earthquake.
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January 22, 2010 8:27am
KiwiGreg

@ peterwn as I understand the land tax is effectively a dead letter due to the list of exemptions – Maori land, church land, non profit land, farming land, government land, principal home….basically the base gets reduced too small to make it effective. Look instead for depreciation deductions on buildings (or at least residential buildings) to go.
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January 22, 2010 8:37am
Fisiani

So National intends to give NZ a world class taxation system.
No matter what changes are made the left will scream that it favours the rich.
Trouble is that may of the rich currently arrange their affairs to pay less tax.Your average salary earner does not do so.
The changes will make these rich pay more tax.
Fair to say then that we can call the changes The Robin Hood Tax Reforms.
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January 22, 2010 8:42am
david

@Mickey Savage Consider then that if you can be so wrong about something so obvious, what else are you misguided about?
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January 22, 2010 8:53am
peterwn

Micky – The left would like to think that right wingers think that all beneficiaries are bludgers. It makes a good catch-cry during election campaigns. However the left is far too ready to ‘shelter’ bludgers to get their votes.

KiwiGreg – that about sums it up, land tax is a real potential dog’s breakfast.

As far as depreciation is concerned- there are complications here. In some circumstances eg in provincial towns, gains in property values would in general merely track inflation and it would be inequitable to lumber such owners with what would be effectively a tax on inflation.
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January 22, 2010 9:01am
calendar girl

Pete, yes, as much idea as most of us who follow international news closely. I’m not underestimating the difficulty involved, just commenting on the UN’s apparent lack of general preparedness for a disaster, or for assuming leadership responsibility. (It took 7 days for relief suppiles to begin being targetted through neighbouring Dominican Republic, not the most difficult strategic idea to pursue for whatever organisation was supposed to be providing leadership.)

My point is really this. The USA is generally assumed to be the entity ready to respond to disasters like this, and to a lesser extent the EU. But what is the defined role of the UN, if any, and what is its state of disaster capability and preparedness?
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January 22, 2010 9:01am
david

HEH, ZB claim to have been trying to track down the Administrator of the UNDP for an interview or comment ever since the earthquake. So far to no avail. Latest comment from New York was “Well it is Friday and she will be on a plane on Monday so No Comment will be possible”

Time NZ withdrew contributions to that ineffectual and corrupt bunch of no-hopers.
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January 22, 2010 9:07am
stephen

I had a laugh at the Tom Scott cartoon on Mike Moore, no idea if it accurately reflects Moore’s personality or not though.
Somewhere there: http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/
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January 22, 2010 9:11am
kowtow

Pete George re tax investigations:

How many investigators does the IRD have? By that I mean dedicated investigators who gather evidence and build a case that can be presented in court.

Iask because I suspect theres not that many and every now and again out comes a press release designed to show some work is going on and perhaps to deter others thinking about speculating.
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January 22, 2010 9:29am
Pete George

How can you prepare for random disasters like this? Especially when your local HQ is destroyed, killing many of the staff. Communications, roads, fuel, airports, port all severely affected.

The Haiti government was rendered barely operational, if at all. It is still their country, and especially when dealing with a neighbouring country that it has had conflicts with there are protocols to follow.

I think the UN has higher priorities than talking to someone at ZB in NZ.
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January 22, 2010 9:31am
dime

Bruv – great news! Mauger is coming home!!!
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January 22, 2010 9:33am
Pete George

I don’t want to rain on your parade if you think Scott Brown is the messiah, and I swear that’s about what the people are starting to say about him.

I want a chastity belt on this man, I want his every move watched in Washington. I don’t trust this guy … This one could end with a dead intern.

– GLENN BECK, referring to Massachusetts Senator-elect Scott Brown
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January 22, 2010 9:35am
stephen

Yeah, he definitely could end up having someone killed.

Wait what?
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January 22, 2010 9:42am
andrei

The Haiti government was rendered barely operational

The Haitian Government, Pete George, has never been “operational” – that is part of the problem and why Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere.
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January 22, 2010 10:05am
polemic

Re the Haiti Quake –

The Un foreign Aid dept is run by some former communist isnt it – Comrade Hulun Klark ?

They couldn’t organise a booze up in a brewery!

Thankfully the bastion of the free world -The US -once again has the resources and the courage to immediately help. What other left wing country has done anything significant. — They cannot because its all about the state deciding whats best for you therefore they have no resources and no compassion.
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January 22, 2010 10:06am
kowtow

Here’s a thought on the gun sights;

We’re constantly being told that Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet and Mary his mother figures prominently in the Koran.If this is true then why should any one worry about offending people with references to people they revere?

This is totally outwith the secular argument which is falacious anyway.The equipment is supplied by a private contractor who can do what he wants with his gear. Its up to the buyer to specify their needs and wants.

Meanwhile the west continues to roll over to appease the unappeasable.
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January 22, 2010 10:22am
dime

the beck quote is strange.

i watched Browns victory speech. i thought he had similar qualities to Key. Seems like a good bloke. takes the piss a bit.

seems like a guy i could have a beer with. thats always the litmus test 🙂
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January 22, 2010 10:34am
david

@Pete George
“I think the UN has higher priorities than talking to someone at ZB in NZ.”

The silence from the Member With An Opinion On Everything since her appointment has been deafening. Ban Ki Moon has made more mmedia comments in the last week than teh Administrator of UNDP has in the past 6 months. It is all very strange. Perhaps they cloned her and left out the vocal chords.
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January 22, 2010 10:40am
Pete George

the beck quote is strange.

It was a bit strange but not surprising, Brown seems to be generally a moderate, he won through appealing to the independents who outnumber Republicans by far there. If a Beckite candidate had stood the result would have likely been different.
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January 22, 2010 10:45am
stephen

I don’t know that much about this Beck guy but he comes up with some real…zingers doesn’t he.
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January 22, 2010 10:48am
Redbaiter

” Brown seems to be generally a moderate, he won through appealing to the independents who outnumber Republicans by far there.”

Pete, the people of Massachusetts are left wing dummies who forced the sleazy dirtbag Teddy Kennedy on the US government term after term after term.

For them to elect a man who even the left tied to the Tea Party movement signifies a major shift in the political paradigm. You need to understand that your leftist ponzi scheme is all over, and that it reached its zenith with the election of Obama but is now firmly on the way to its nadir. Obama has shot his bolt, your media scam is completely undone, and the sleeping giant of mainstream America, drugged so long by your Gramascian propaganda offensive, has finally awakened.

Whatever Brown is, and whatever he may be, its only just starting. Its goodbye to the deceitful lying leftists like Reid, Pelosi Dodd and Obama. You’ve had a remarkable run (much to the detriment of Western civilisation) but the games up commie. Fold your tent and slink off back into your cave.
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January 22, 2010 10:56am
dime

red – i agree. obama winning was the worst thing that could have happened to the left.

he was always going to fail. the leftist dream is over.

cant wait for the mid-terms, its going to be carnage
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January 22, 2010 11:01am
Pete George

You need
your leftist
your media scam
your Gramascian propaganda offensive
You’ve had a remarkable run
Fold your tent
your cave

Sorry Redcow, I have the Internet on in my cave, so I can keep speaking for myself, which is just as well because you sound like a cow farting, emissions from a bovine bum with no substance.
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January 22, 2010 11:09am
Redbaiter

The discontent is with the Democrat-Republican soviet style far left conglomerate.

Even the Massachusetts dummies have awakened. The Renascence of the west is underway.
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January 22, 2010 11:21am
big bruv

Dime

I did not that the non tackling poof wants to return to NZ, good luck to him, he has no chance of making the Pacific Island rugby team.

On Glenn Beck, I have watched a bit of him, and IMHO he is as bad as anybody he attacks from the left, the guy has a screw loose and panders to the religious right nutbars who think that the way to make America great again is to have school prayer and preach abstinence as the only form of contraception.

Last night I chatted (by way of the internet) with a highly placed member of the “tea party” movement, according to them to be a real tea party member you have to have the three “C”s.
You must believe in the constitution (no problem with that), be conservative (fine with that one as well) and you MUST be Christian (no chance of that ever happening)

While the right might be patting themselves on the back at the victory of Brown they are still a divided force, what’s more, the left know this and will keep driving a wedge between the various factions of the republican party.

If the Republicans really want to take back the White house then they need to drop the religious extremist bullshit
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January 22, 2010 11:23am
Redbaiter

” you sound like a cow farting, emissions from a bovine bum with no substance. ”

Mr. Farrar, if there is any justice on Kiwiblog, surely such an utterly disgusting and profane utterance cannot escape demerits.
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January 22, 2010 11:23am
calendar girl

PG @ 9:31 “How can you prepare for random disasters like this? Especially when your local HQ is destroyed, killing many of the staff. Communications, roads, fuel, airports, port all severely affected. ”

Yes, Pete, it’s gruesome I agree, but some entity – one would think – should have responsibility for doing something more constructive than wringing its hands. International airlines, for example, have to prepare for ramdom catastrophes all the time, events that can occur on the other side of the world at sea or on land, in jungles or on mountaintops, even when all their own “local” staff are wiped out. It involves defining lines of institutional and management responsibility, mapping out “worst-case” disaster scenarios and alternative response strategies, pre-arranging on-call personnel and logistical capabilities, setting aside on-call contingency budgets, and practising, practising, practising the call-out and response procedures to be “on the ground” within hours if at all possible. It’s a tough responsibility and at times an almost impossible practical assignment, no question about that. But if the mechanisms are in place and well-oiled, the actual effects of the disaster might be ameliorated by (say) 20% – perhaps as many as 40,000 lives in the case of Haiti.

So my questions again are: Is there a relief leadership mandate that falls on the United Nations to step into “natural disaster” situations that occur on this scale? If not, where else would such leadership be expected to come from? The good old USA again?
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January 22, 2010 11:25am
Redbaiter

” If the Republicans really want to take back the White house then they need to drop the religious extremist bullshit”

Hey fuckwit. You keep using that phrase “religious extremist bullshit’, and you play right into the hands of the left when you do so. Get a brain, get some perspective and get over your anti-Christian bigotry.

Its confused propaganda sucking fuckwits like you who have given the left their stranglehold on our culture. I’m no genius, and I’m not religious, but at least I have the fucking tactical sense to see them as an ally and not an enemy.
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January 22, 2010 11:27am
big bruv

Red

I have tried to write a reasoned response to your last post but I failed, accordingly I will have to make do with a far more traditional reply.

FUCK OFF.

I had thought you were smart, but if you cannot see or accept that an atheist can be a supporter of right wing politics then you are not as smart as I thought you are.
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January 22, 2010 11:37am
Pete George

but at least I have the fucking tactical sense to see them as an ally and not an enemy.

With allies like Red, who needs enemies.

You have to email Mr Farrar if you want to whine to him today:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/no_phone_home.html

surely such an utterly disgusting and profane utterance

coming from you, that’s funny.
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January 22, 2010 11:40am
Pete George

bigbruv: I have tried to write a reasoned response to your last post but I failed

No you didn’t, it was reasoned and reasonable, I’m with you on that. Whether labeled left or right or whatever it is still easy to find a lot of common ground if you use common sense.
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January 22, 2010 11:44am
dime

hey redbaiter ((((((hug))))))
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January 22, 2010 12:00pm
Redbaiter

” I had thought you were smart, but if you cannot see or accept that an atheist can be a supporter of right wing politics then you are not as smart as I thought you are.”

I don’t give a fuck if you are an atheist or a damn ranting papist. I am telling you that when you use phrases like “religious extremist bullshit” you are doing the left’s work for them. Splitting and undermining our forces. You need to get over your bigotry or fuck off and join the Labour party. From the continually confused and erratic crap I read from you on here that’s more where you belong.

That’s the problem with a lot of you pretend rightists. Your true home is the Labour party but you’ve had that ground taken from you by the extreme left.

NZ would be far better served by having you in the Labour party Bruv, and not out there pretending to be right wing.
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January 22, 2010 12:12pm
MT_Tinman

Red your communist diatribe wears thin.
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January 22, 2010 12:19pm
big bruv

Red

The right is supposed to stand for freedom and personal liberty, I firmly believe in that concept.

You and your version of right wing politics is more aligned with the hard left, you demand total obedience and see any deviation from your view as treason.

For some stupid reason you seem to think that blindly supporting middle eastern superstition (or refusing to speak out against it) is vital if we are to ever remove the hard left from power, clearly that argument is ridiculous.

I refuse to give religious bigots any oxygen and I am stuffed if I am going to put up with their extremist bullshit.
What you refuse to admit Redbaiter is that these religious extremists are as determined to control your life and your liberties as are the hard left.

I value freedom and personal responsibility Redbaiter, clearly, you do not.
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January 22, 2010 12:47pm
Redbaiter

Tinman, you need to understand that a large part of the left’s success in obtaining a stranglehold on our culture and our political system has been due to their marginilisation and demonisation of Christianity. Anyone who takes part in that demonisation process is aiding the enemy. If you can’t appreciate such a simple point, then I can’t do much more to help you.

(If you doubt I’m right, then just look at who is coming out above in support of Bruv.)
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January 22, 2010 12:48pm
Redbaiter

Fuck off Bruv. Your pissant diatribes are so uninformed, so bigoted and so logically and politically incoherent they’re not worth dealing with.
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January 22, 2010 12:49pm
Ryan Sproull

Redbaiter and Bruv
Had had quite enough
Of what the other had said.

When push came to shove,
They both fell in love,
And so to each other were wed.
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January 22, 2010 1:05pm
Redbaiter

Ryan- I always thought it was Garth George who was setting the benchmark for political dyslexia in NZ. Until I discovered the writings of Big Bruv that is.
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January 22, 2010 1:09pm
big bruv

Red

“Fuck off Bruv. Your pissant diatribes are so uninformed, so bigoted and so logically and politically incoherent they’re not worth dealing with.”

Yep, spoken like a true disciple of Saul Alinsky.

Are you sure you are not a commie troll Red?, it does surprise me that the views you hold do not stand up to debate or scrutiny.
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January 22, 2010 1:12pm
Pete George

Splitting and undermining our forces.

There won’t be many of “our forces” left if you keep abusing and alienating everyone.

Your pissant diatribes are so uninformed, so bigoted and so logically and politically incoherent

You shouldn’t look in the mirror while you type. Maybe bruv is right, you rubbish “our forces” so well you could be a Commie Troll.
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January 22, 2010 1:13pm
Redbaiter

Yawn– the Topp Twins in miniature.
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January 22, 2010 1:17pm
Pete George

Not just NZ that didn’t like it I guess.

No More Jesus Rifles

Trijicon has announced that it will no longer imprint the verses on the sides of scopes intended for the U.S. military, and will also provide clients with the kits to remove the Bible verse numbers from existing scopes.

Stephen Bindon, Trijicon president and CEO in a statement. “We want to thank the Department of Defense for the opportunity to work with them and will move as quickly as possible to provide the modification kits for deployment overseas.”
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January 22, 2010 1:19pm
Repton

If the Republicans really want to take back the White house then they need to drop the religious extremist bullshit

I think that if they did, the rest of the world would be a lot less worried by the thought of a Republican president..
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January 22, 2010 1:41pm
dime

“a large part of the left’s success in obtaining a stranglehold on our culture and our political system has been due to their marginilisation and demonisation of Christianity”

there is truth to that. the problem is some of the freaks the church attracts.

The GOP is associated with religious nut jobs. its not a good thing.

Some of us are right wingers economically only.

Imagine how far advanced the GOP would be if abortion wasnt an issue? they would govern forever.
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January 22, 2010 1:41pm
stephen

… and you MUST be Christian (no chance of that ever happening)

Did the person in question try to justify this? Bizarre. Way to alienate a lot of people.
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January 22, 2010 1:44pm
Manolo

“..but if you cannot see or accept that an atheist can be a supporter of right wing politics..”

Hey, I’m a proud atheist. 🙂
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January 22, 2010 1:46pm
Redbaiter

” The GOP is associated with religious nut jobs. its not a good thing. ”

That is the left wing propaganda, disseminated through the mainstream media and popular culture and wantonly sucked up by ignorant kool ade drinkers who unthinkingly repeat it because they are too stupid to see how they are being used.

A nut job is a nut job, Christian or secular, and if you’re truly worried about nut jobs, then you should be a lot more concerned about the religion of Progressivism that is the really destructive force in our culture, and the zealotry of the brain damaged losers who promote that as our most significant cultural influence.

In fact religious zealotry is as present on the left as it is on the right. That fools continue to associate it only with the right is more a sign of how well the left’s propaganda has worked. Helen Klark could not have held power in NZ for so long if she hadn’t had the support of a large section of the religious community. Barack Obama is a constant and regular attendee at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where the most bigoted anti-capitalistic racist crap is always present.

Christianity is something you must put aside, (and cease demonising) for the focus should be on the one battlefield and with a united force.
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January 22, 2010 1:55pm
Redbaiter

” Bizarre. Way to alienate a lot of people.”

Grow a brain. All that is necessary is that you respect the right and the freedom of people to have a faith if they so choose.
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January 22, 2010 1:57pm
Redbaiter

” I think that if they did, the rest of the world ”

..and who the hell are you to be talking for the “rest of the world’?? Marked as a complete dumbarse before the end of the first sentence.
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January 22, 2010 1:58pm
Pete George

the focus should be on the one battlefield and with a united force.

How do you encourage unity by abusing people?

The world has never been that simple, one battlefield. Sounds like Hollywood science fiction. Are you promoting a movie? Avatar was a bit like that.

the religion of Progressivism that is the really destructive force in our culture, and the zealotry of the brain damaged losers who promote that as our most significant cultural influence.

I’m interested to know if this is anything more than redspeak for anyone who disagrees with you. It sounds like kids bogeyman sort of stuff. Are you with Disney?
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January 22, 2010 2:06pm
Redbaiter

” I’m interested to know if this is anything more than redspeak for anyone who disagrees with you.”

I disagree with every facet of Progressivism.

” How do you encourage unity by abusing people? ”

Ever asked that of a Marine training officer? Fuck off lamer.
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January 22, 2010 2:09pm
Pete George

Marine training? Is it Ears, Open. Eyeballs, Click. ?
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January 22, 2010 2:12pm
big bruv

“Grow a brain. All that is necessary is that you respect the right and the freedom of people to have a faith if they so choose.”

Did you read that before you posted it?

You ask us to respect the rights and freedoms of others (which I do) but then demand that we stop voicing our concerns about the extremists element, in other words the religious extremists have rights that they should be allowed to voice but not those of us who have no time for a non existent god.

I have always defended the rights of people to worship what and who they want, I well remember many battles here with your fellow pinko’s who thought the Brethren were fair game because they dared speak out against Klark.

You are one of the most hypocritical people I know off Redbaiter, you demand that we make allowances for the right wing religious extremists yet on other topics you bang on about the ‘fight’ not being one where we can make allowances for any middle ground.

You’re a fucking joke, you do more damage to the cause you profess to care about than anything written by the left.
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January 22, 2010 2:14pm
Pete George

RedOwngoal?
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January 22, 2010 2:16pm
Redbaiter

Bruv, please refer to my post of 12:49. Its a wonder you don’t strangle yourself on your own incoherency. ( Pete’s enjoying your company immensely I see.)
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January 22, 2010 2:17pm
big bruv

Red

Exposing you as a complete nutjob is far more fun than I had anticipated.

This is the sort of religious extremist shit you demand that we overlook….

On the issue of sexual education in public school’s, a spectrum of views exist, from advocating no sex education in public schools to advocating abstinence until marriage, to advocating complete modesty and chastity. The Christian Right has been successful in promoting abstinence-only curricula; in fact 30 percent of America’s sexual-education programs are abstinence based.[34] These programs promote abstinence until marriage as the only way to prevent against pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and the other emotional issues that could arise from sexual activity. Unlike comprehensive sex-education programs, alternatives such as contraception and birth-control are only mentioned, in the context of their failure rates.
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January 22, 2010 2:25pm
Redbaiter

For the third time Bruv, please refer to my post of 12:49. I have no interest in trying to logically deal with something that is so obvioulsy written by a distracted and faltering intellect.

Trying to argue the point with someone who has such a feeble grasp of the issues and such an incoherent writing style is like wrestling with a column of smoke. I don’t know where to start.

In the first place there should not be public schools. In the second place, public schools should not be intruding on the responsibilities of parents but focusing on the traditional curriculum. As for the paragraph you (presumably) quote, I cannot even distinguish a point. Just go away you fricken rabbiting bore.
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January 22, 2010 2:32pm
big bruv

Red

If at any time you want to debate the virtues of the religious right and why we should overlook their extremist views and attack on our freedom please let me know.

Until then I suggest you chill out a bit, it cannot be healthy being angry 24/7.
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January 22, 2010 2:36pm
Jack5

New topic for a moment.

The Crown will appeal against the decision for a group of families to be paid as caregivers for severely disabled adult children.

You have to have sympathy for these families and their huge burden, but the decision by the Human Rights Review Tribunal, from the heart rather than the head, is further proof that ACC is quickly becoming an unsustainable scheme, as leftists abuse it to institute socialism by stealth.

As originally conceived, ACC was a good innovation, replacing legions of slow court cases that bogged the system down, but the lefties have broadened it into a second welfare scheme. National should reintroduce the choice of employers and self-employed being able to substitute private insurance providers. It should then pare ACC coverage back to strict insurance liability.

If not, ACC will collapse, and private insurers will step in, but tens of millions will go into supporting legions of lawyers, judges, and court staff.

For those interested, here are members of the Human Rights Review Tribunal:

Royden Hindle (chairman) – lawyer and a “fellow” of the Arbitrators’ and Mediators’ Institute.

Patsi Davies (Ngai Tahu – this race description is listed on the Ministry of Justice web site). Davies is described as holding tertiary qualifications in law, social sciences and health administration and as being a “candidate in the Health Science Doctoral programme at the Auckland University of Technology”. She also co-ordinates an anti-smoking project and is described as a “rape crisis educator” and a “lecturer in law at Waikato’s School of Chemistry”.

Andrew D. Trlin, a retired acadmeic, formerly a lecturer at the “School of Sociology, Social Policy and Social Work, Massey University”. His other research interests are listed as including “race/ethnic relations, social demography, and evaluation of social programmes and policies”.

Sue Ineson, who is described as an independent consultant in the health sector. She was CEO of the Medical Council. She has a BA and Diploma in Business Studies, and gained a QSM for services to Human Rights and Amnesty International.

Jacquie Grant, colourfully known as the West Coast “tranny granny”, a transexual. Grant served as a local body councillor and has fostered children and worked with children with behavioural problems and did good work with conservation of indigenous wildlife. Grant was appointed a a member of the NZ Order of Merit in 1998. Margaret Wilson appointed Grant to the tribunal.

Link to report in the NZ Hooerald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621674
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January 22, 2010 2:40pm
Redbaiter

“Until then I suggest you chill out a bit, it cannot be healthy being angry 24/7.”

See Bruv, soon as you get nailed you start the typical leftist denigration cycle. Merely because I have a different political view from you and express it passionately does not mean I am angry. (Especially when in your first response to me you wrote ‘fuck off’ in capitals).

That you make such an ill informed and prejudiced decision and offer your ignorant patronising advice (chill out) is only more proof of where your true political sentiments lie.

Just go away Bruv, you’re a fucking idiot.
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January 22, 2010 2:44pm
Angus

Air America Bankrupt.

http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/01/21/breaking-air-america-ceasing-live-programming-this-afternoon/

. . . oh the humanity !
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January 22, 2010 2:47pm
Manolo

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621608

“Prime Minister John Key says any increase to GST would have to be compensated for by immediate increases to pensions, benefits and Working for Families payments.”

What a wet, gutless individual NZ elected as Prime Minister! Empty-suit Key at his worst.

Hat-tip: Lindsay Mitchell
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January 22, 2010 2:48pm
KiwiGreg

“. . . oh the humanity !”

More like oh the schadenfreude. It’s not a pretty emotion.
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January 22, 2010 2:49pm
Angus

“More like oh the schadenfreude”

Damn right.
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January 22, 2010 2:53pm
Pete George

What a wet, gutless individual NZ elected as Prime Minister!

No, he is sticking to his word. He has said the tax restructuring will be tax neutral for beneficiaries. Welfare reform is a separate matter and he will need to put any changes on that to the people at the next election.
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January 22, 2010 2:56pm
Rod

Hmmmm …
Does this look kind of familiar?
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/agendas-merge.html
Have Key and Cameron been talking?
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January 22, 2010 2:57pm
big bruv

Red

I am going to leave this subject alone now as after a while it becomes boring for others and there is only so much laugh out loud humour I can take in one day.

However, before I go I thought I must point out the fatal flaw in your argument…..Sarah Palin.

If you really think that the people of the USA will elect her as President then you are in need of some fucking strong drugs.
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January 22, 2010 2:59pm
stephen

All that is necessary is that you respect the right and the freedom of people to have a faith if they so choose.

That’s not what Bruv was taking issue with. He was taking issue with his exclusion.
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January 22, 2010 3:00pm
big bruv

“What a wet, gutless individual NZ elected as Prime Minister! Empty-suit Key at his worst”

Well said Manolo, with each passing week Neville Key emerges as the new poster boy for bludgers, Maori and Redbaiter.
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January 22, 2010 3:01pm
Redbaiter

” He was taking issue with his exclusion”

He excludes himself with his compulsion to mindlessly and irrationally repeat left wing propaganda like a pull string doll.

“is only so much laugh out loud humour I can take in one day.”

Such a patent lie and so habitually leftist. I’d ask you to grow up if I didn’t know you were fast descending into your second childhood.

” If you really think that the people of the USA ”

Why don’t you fuck off (as you promise) with your braindead left wing presumptions and cease telling me what I think.
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January 22, 2010 3:06pm
big bruv

“and cease telling me what I think”

Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, would ever know what you think Comrade.

Just when you think you have a handle on it you come out with something so hypocritical it makes many think you are really Heather Simpson.
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January 22, 2010 3:12pm
stephen

He excludes himself with his compulsion to mindlessly and irrationally repeat left wing propaganda like a pull string doll.

Wadever. The teabagger excluded him first.
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January 22, 2010 3:17pm
Pete George

Such a patent lie

And you know that how RedHeather? It’s quite credible that bb laughs out loud, it’s not an uncommon reaction. With some of the things you come out with you must be joking. A master of reverse psychology, deliberate or not.
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January 22, 2010 3:30pm
Redbaiter

“The teabagger excluded him first.”

..and deservedly so. Such an extreme anti-religious bigot with such loony tunes doggerel and perverted viewpoints has no business being part of a movement that advocates liberty and welcomes Christians into its circle of influence.

(BTW, don’t think your smug and unoriginal reference to tea-bagging doesn’t go unnoticed.)
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January 22, 2010 3:32pm
Redbaiter

” It’s quite credible that bb laughs out loud,”

Not credible when you line it up with his frenzied diatribe. And it is a pathetic transparency that is very common to leftists. They say they’re laffing while they’re in fact busy emailing complaints to the host claiming to be deeply offended.

Nice to see you supporting your Comrade tho Pete.
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January 22, 2010 3:35pm
stephen

I actually had gotten over the whole double-entendre thing, but turns out I just chose the wrong term to use.

…welcomes Christians into its circle of influence.

Bruv’s contact makes it sound a little like Christians are the ONLY ones welcome into the circle.
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January 22, 2010 3:43pm
labrator

Hey RedBaiter, you’re the new philu.
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January 22, 2010 3:43pm
stephen

Bruv is peverted, he has a visceral dislike for rugby league and thus can only be a fan of Peter Fulton.
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January 22, 2010 3:44pm
dad4justice

Don’t worry big blouse is not a right winger. He’s a fucking nutjob.
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January 22, 2010 3:44pm
Pete George

There you go again, another laugh out loud. I’ll tell you as you can’t get your karma fixes at the moment.

while they’re in fact busy emailing complaints to the host claiming to be deeply offended.

Like this?

Mr. Farrar, if there is any justice on Kiwiblog, surely such an utterly disgusting and profane utterance cannot escape demerits.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/general_debate_22_january_2010.html#comment-653158

Once again, you are what you accuse.

I don’t support bruv on Key, I think JK deserves another year to prove that he’s got it, or not.
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January 22, 2010 3:46pm
Redbaiter

” Bruv’s contact makes it sound a little like Christians are the ONLY ones welcome into the circle.”

Bruv doesn’t know his arsehole from his elbow. Its why he keeps repeating the same old same old Marxist line about Christian ” extremists” . A stupid old socialist fart with one foot in the grave and the other on a well oiled roller skate and with a mind fast receding into the black hole of dementia.
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January 22, 2010 3:47pm
Pete George

dad’s pissed at bruv. Again. This may not be so funny.

Just in time Redjester returns.
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January 22, 2010 3:49pm
dad4justice

“I don’t support bruv”

Who in their right fucking mind would Petey!
No drink Petey Girl you vile liar.
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January 22, 2010 3:50pm
Redbaiter

” Once again, you are what you accuse.”

It was a joke you sad witless moron. I’ve never emailed Mr. Farrar with one complaint ever. And I would never do so.
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January 22, 2010 3:51pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter – NZ’s Sarah Palin. All hat. No cattle.

“You know, well, all of them, because they came collectively together with…so much diversity in terms of belief but collectively they came together to form this union.”
– Sarah Palin, when asked by Glenn Beck to name her favorite founding father

That horrid commie lying bastard Glen Beck, how dare he put Sarah under pressure with a trick question like that. Bet redbaiter couldn’t do any better,a?
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January 22, 2010 3:52pm
dad4justice

“dad’s pissed at bruv. Again. ”

More lies from Petey Girl or is it Gerogie Girl??
Jack shit shut up.
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January 22, 2010 3:53pm
big bruv

Bloody hell, now dumb has turned up in support of dumber.

Redbaiter and D4J, a perfect match.
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January 22, 2010 3:53pm
Pete George

Thank goodness for your wit.

# Redbaiter Says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 am

Mr. Farrar, if there is any justice on Kiwiblog, surely such an utterly disgusting and profane utterance cannot escape demerits.

And what’s the difference with this?

# Redbaiter (8513) Says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

I’ve never emailed Mr. Farrar with one complaint ever. And I would never do so.
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January 22, 2010 3:54pm
Redbaiter

Big Bruv, Petey George and MNIJ. Same old Palin hating brain deficient Marxist gang..
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January 22, 2010 3:54pm
dad4justice

“perfect match”

You should get away from your keyboard every now and then you twisted lefty. big bruv = joke of the year. Blouse of the century.
Give the Petey Georgie thing a kiss from me you wet paper troll.
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January 22, 2010 3:57pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (8514) Says:

January 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Big Bruv, Petey George and MNIJ. Same old Palin hating brain deficient Marxist gang..

Unlike redbaiter, the world’s first living brain donor and his Palin fettish. News flash reddy – it’s all plastic, from her tits to her opinions.
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