General Debate 12 January 2010

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Lee C

http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2010/01/national-to-make-slavery-compulsory.html

With thanks – Lee MWT
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January 12, 2010 7:07am
dad4justice

I think Whale Oil’s latest publicity stint has sent jitters throughout blogosphere. The law masters do not like people rubbing salt into there dysfunctional and totally unfair beloved corrupt justice system. Power to him, as the underdog having a go at correcting double standard justice.
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January 12, 2010 7:45am
Whafe

The so called powers have no real clue how to deal with an age of rapid information flow, best they start learning really fast…
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January 12, 2010 7:53am
Murray

I think Slater has aquired a complex of some kind and his best bet to avoid being the next occupant of the Tim Selwyn suit is to cop a section 8.

Ignoring laws that don’t suit you is something for Maori and feminazis, not middle class white men.
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January 12, 2010 8:23am
CharlieBrown

See Harawira’s racist mongrel tribe is at it again. Occupying private land this time. Police should lock the dickheads up, and as mentioned previously, kick harawira out of parliament for ignoring his parliamentary oath.
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January 12, 2010 8:43am
Murray

Charlie, see above who laws do and do not apply to.
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January 12, 2010 8:44am
CharlieBrown

As for Slater, I half support him and half don’t. I support him in the fact that the courts are retarded in releasing any information allowing for speculation on half a dozen people that are innocent, however its unfair if this guy is innocent, even if he is a left wing fool.
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January 12, 2010 8:45am
CharlieBrown

Finally, who supports these Martinborough businessmen?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619691

As the police and courts continue to allow more petty crime to happen, people like this are going to become more regular. And to be honest, they should be supported in full, only then will the police and courts take notice of how pathetic our justice and policing system is on more non-violent crime.
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January 12, 2010 8:48am
Pita

What’s wrong with this quote from a UK Met office staffer?

“This will be the warmest winter in living memory, the data has already been recorded. For your information, we take the highest 15 readings between November and March and then produce an average. As November was a very seasonally warm month, then all the data will come from those readings.”

For the answer as to how the overpaid idiots arrive at this conclusion :

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100021984/this-will-be-the-warmest-winter-in-living-memory-defiant-met-office-staffer/
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January 12, 2010 8:51am
jaba

in all my years of work, since Jan 74, I have dealt with dozens, maybe hundreds of people in various levels of management. many where useless BUT they had somehow made it to management level. Now, why am I saying this?
I have noted over the years that many people who get into higher level positions get so caught up in their own impotency (opps sorry, importance) that they will not listen to reason and a reason is that they fell they are being challenged by lesser people.
Some of you may remember a telly program .. a couple of versions .. The Rise and Fall (and Fall and Rise) of Reginald Perrin. Funny as a fart BUT I am getting there. His boss, CJ, had a saying .. “I didn’t get to where I am today by ………..”. I just Googled Reggie and one was “I didnt get to where I am today by telling the truth”.
Anyway .. this is why Cameron is in trouble. Judges didn’t get to where they are today by allowing bloggers challenging their decisions. It sounds like some high profile lawyers think the same.
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January 12, 2010 8:51am
jaba

CharlieBrown .. I heard on the radio (its on again as I write) that a woman in England is in the shit because she was in her kitchen, (2 yo upstairs in bed and partner away) when she saw two “youths” in her back yard. She told them to go away but they actually moved towards her, not away. So, she got a knife from the drawer, opened the window and waved it at them .. it seems they moved on. Now, who is in trouble, the trespassers or the vulnerable woman .. that’s right, she is.
It seems she could be charged with brandishing a weapon .. oh dear lord.
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January 12, 2010 9:01am
Pete George

Our legal system get to where it is today by allowing any peerson who thinks they are backed by a group that thinks it knows best to re-write the laws.

Whale is all over the place on this, more and more.

He says he didn’t do it for the publicity but applauds his site hits.

He said he he would not defy suppression laws where young victims of sexual abuse could be identified – now he says he had been reviewing his position and decided to take a harder line – he had received emails from victims of sexual abuse who thought an offender should be named.

He is doing it because of the level of support he been getting on his blog. He ignores the level of criticism and opposition elsewhere?

He criticises Cromesky because he has defended scum – what lawyer has he found to help him (who hasn’t represented scum)?

He has some reasonable points, but he is taking it too far. A few blog posts and emails are not going to amount to a great defence.
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January 12, 2010 9:03am
CharlieBrown

“Our legal system get to where it is today by allowing any peerson who thinks they are backed by a group that thinks it knows best to re-write the laws.”

It also got to where it is by people who think they know better than the rest… hense we have no section 59. 🙂
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January 12, 2010 9:08am
cha

It also got to where it is by people who think they know better than the rest… hense we have no section 59.

Those parliamentary majorities just aren’t fair.
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January 12, 2010 9:14am
dad4justice

Does Cromesky want a job behind the bench? All judges are ex lawyers.
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January 12, 2010 9:14am
CharlieBrown

“Those parliamentary majorities just aren’t fair.”

Especially when the huge national referendums majorities are ignored by the overwhelming elistist parliamentary majorities.

When your only options for voting are bull crap or dog crap you still only have to ability to vote for crap.
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January 12, 2010 9:21am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619671

See these wannabe radicals are now trying to take over my home town, great, makes the xmas break that much more fun when you have to put up with fuckwits like these roaming the beaches.

Incidentally I remember a family from this tribe getting evicted from a state house and living on the beach at
Taipa for months and months. Presumably they thought it was their “Treaty right” to wash, eat, defecate etc on the beach 24/7. I wonder if they got a fine for camping in a public place… haha. Fat chance
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January 12, 2010 9:32am
Pete George

Surprise of the year – not. Palin signs on with Fox News

A Fox executive says the network will shortly announce that the former vice-presidential nominee is signing on as a contributor. Palin will appear as a commentator on various Fox shows. She will also host an occasional program that will examine inspirational tales involving ordinary Americans.

Another part of God’s plan? http://www.theweek.com/article/index/104925/Gods_plan_for_Sarah_Palin

McCain political strategist Steve Schmidt says that Sarah Palin believed it was “God’s plan” for Sen. John McCain to pick her as his running mate in 2008.
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January 12, 2010 9:32am
Murray

If they were white nickb they would already have been areested. This bi-legal system our countryhas bought into gone on long enough.
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January 12, 2010 9:45am
graham

“Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, who supported the Popata brothers after the incident with Mr Key, said the fact they had assaulted the PM did not affect their credibility within the tribe.”

So Hone, who is proud of the fact that he’s been in court 53 times, says that it’s ok for people to assault the Prime Minister because they were “passionate”, and anyway, “the men were not angels but then who is?”

Surprise surprise …

Why the hell do we put up with these thugs?
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January 12, 2010 10:02am
Portia

A new thread for discussion –

Is 2010 the year that the death knell finally tolls for the US economy?
Six Months to Live

And will the final straw leading to financial collapse be a catastrophic, global food crisis?
2010 Food Crisis for Dummies
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January 12, 2010 10:25am
Manolo

Chances are the two parasite “protesters” are dole bludgers and have not had a job for ages.
The fact scum like these could get welfare benefits from the state makes my blood boil.
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January 12, 2010 10:26am
RightNow

Pita, it seems the quote about the Met Office averaging the hottest 15 days from Nov to March is not an official Met office statement. The remark can be traced back to http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2010/01/however-cold-it-gets-this-is-officially.html originally, where the last comment appears to be from the Met office stating that “We do not believe ‘Tony’ is an employee. This comment is not an official statement from the Met Office and does not reflect the views or policies of the Met Office.”

Interestingly the Met Office have recently rubbished the extravagant claims that sea level would rise by 2 metres by 2100.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6982299.ece

IMO the Met Office are trying to salvage their reputation now, and about time too. This is a good watch
UK MET office head gets a grilling and fails miserably: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8BCnX8LIIY
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January 12, 2010 10:28am
Reg

Oh no it’s official; we are heading for a mini ice age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/11/ipcc-scientist-global-cooling-headed-our-way-for-the-next-30-years/#more-15116

Call an international conference, buy SUVs, build coal fired power plants and chop down rain forests.
At least after all the indoctrination of the last deccade we know how to warm things up!!!!!
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January 12, 2010 10:57am
Pete George

Careful Reg, burning more could cool the planet even more – it’s well known that an increase in air particles (pollution) blocks sunlight/heat.
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January 12, 2010 11:07am
Murray

Reg I was picking about three years before the Goreites would be telling us that they were wrong but they were right (fake but accurate) and we’re actually heading into a manmade ice age and we still need the same cabon trading scheme as before but to prevent us all being eaten by polar bears.

We’re now into the 6th cycle of global warming or ice age hysteria since 1900 anyway so whats number 7 if Gore can keep making millions of the stupidity of the credulous.
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January 12, 2010 11:22am
Reg

Horrors Pete
It’s also been proved that International conferences precipitate cold snaps (refer Copenhagan), that chopping down forests causes increased relection of sunlight resutling in lower tempertures and SUV make there owner’s feel cool.
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January 12, 2010 11:28am
Reg

Is there any way NZ can extract itself from the ETS, with out looking too stupid?
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January 12, 2010 11:34am
Murray

ANY way we get out can only make us look brighter to future generations.
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January 12, 2010 11:44am
Reg

Good call Murray
Now how do we make it happen?
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January 12, 2010 11:47am
Pete George

Is there any way NZ can extract itself from the ETS, with out looking too stupid?

Some would say that horse has bolted.
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January 12, 2010 11:53am
wreck1080

I see telecom are getting another bollocking and fines for obfuscation of facts between 1999 and 2006.

I recall Theresa Gattungs speech where she proudly announced the best way to lead a telco is to obfuscate the facts and to basically mislead customers.

Now , the flotilla of chickens are coming home to roost.

It’s unfortunate her bonus’s cannot be docked retrospectively for appalling management.

She must have been one of the worst CEO’s ever. Sure, she made great profits but she ran a monopoly- my cat could have done better. Not only did her management decisions result in telecom losing their monopoly, she screwed up the only competitive company they owned -that is, AAPT in Australia. THat proves she was no good in a competitive marketplace.

It does annoys me (just a little though) that she was so highly paid while making such poor decisions.
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January 12, 2010 11:56am
Reg

Wreck1080 said:
It does annoys me (just a little though) that she was so highly paid while making such poor decisions.

Was she a climate scientist?
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January 12, 2010 12:01pm
Patrick Starr

a herald reporter is running a poll on global warming, shame it isnt ‘do you believe its man made’ but nevertheless its still poll

http://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/content/poll-global-warming-something-youre-seriously-worried-about
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January 12, 2010 12:21pm
Murray

Reg we keep sacking PM’s till we get one that listens.
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January 12, 2010 12:23pm
gravedodger

Was the sports bulletin I heard yesterday Tony V’s first day back courtesy of commercial radio, if so it is good that he is able to move on with his life.
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January 12, 2010 12:24pm
JoeAverage1948

Manolo, going to the jvlle wharehouse today here in Wgtn when i passed a maori who had spread his jacket over the footpath and was asking people for money(begging) i was REALLY tempted to tell him to get off his fat arse and look for work(begging) in New Zealand really pisses me of.
I think he scared ladies as they gave him a wide berth
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January 12, 2010 12:57pm
tristanb

JoeAverage, have you ever been to Auckland?

I live there now (but I vehemently deny being an Aucklander) and walk to work down Queen Street. On my way (even at 7:30am) I pass about 20 or so homeless people, slumped on the footpath. They all stink and with the weather heating up it’s getting worse. They all have poorly written cardboard begging signs.

I’ve got today off, and my girlfriend just came back from Victoria Park New World. There was a well-known fat homeless man who has a trolley full of his crap, wheeling it through the supermarket and stealing/eating/handling fruit. The security guards did nothing.

Often nearby the Imax theatre, there’s glue huffers spitting and breaking stuff on the street. The police just drive by. It’s enough to make us want to leave here.
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January 12, 2010 1:22pm
freethinker

Portia (171) Says:
January 12th, 2010 at 10:25 am

That was the most depressing reading this year – if this is true and becomes known more public-ally the whole sewage works will go through the fan and the financial meltdown will seem tame. Thank god we live in a country that will always be able to feed itself and not be invaded by neighbours – not surprised that NZ media have not reported this more from their lack of ability than responsibility to avoid panic, I hope our leaders are ware and have contingency plans in place.
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January 12, 2010 1:26pm
KiwiGreg

@ portia the answers to your questions are “no” and “no”

@ tristanb if you look at the Queen St beggars you will see the is a group of 3-4 who all have the same sign. The only people I have seen give them money are Chinese ladies. I’ve always been tempted to ask them not to as beggars only exist where people give.
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January 12, 2010 1:36pm
Portia

KiwiGreg – and that would be “why” and “why”?
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January 12, 2010 1:42pm
reid

“Thank god we live in a country that will … not be invaded by neighbours”

Where did you get that idea from, freethinker?

Remember, just because YOU don’t see a threat on the horizon doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Secondly, just because there isn’t a threat on the horizon today doesn’t mean there won’t be one tomorrow.

And puhless don’t munt on about “well where is it then” for such would just underline your inability to understand what I just said.
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January 12, 2010 7:17pm
Viking2

Call Helen Quick. Crudd needs advice.

Brethren schools to get $70m in funding

* From: The Australian
* January 11, 2010 11:35PM

The Exclusive Brethren has secured more than $70 million in funding for its schools / Jamie Hanson Source: The Courier-Mail

* Brethren schools secure $70m
* The religion shuns modern society
* Brethren says schools deserve funding

THE Rudd Government is handing more than $70 million to schools run by the Exclusive Brethren, a religious sect Kevin Rudd described as an “extremist cult” that breaks up families.

The sect’s schools have secured more than $8.4m under the Government’s school building stimulus package and they will share in $62m in recurrent taxpayer funding.

Documents show a Brethren-run school at Swan Hill in northern Victoria was granted $1.2m for a library and $800,000 for a hall when its most recent annual report shows it had just 16 pupils and already had a library.

Grants data released by the commonwealth shows that Brethren schools in every state received funding under the $12.4 billion schools stimulus package, The Australian reports.

Despite the Brethren’s past disdain for computers, figures show its schools have received more than 300 under the commonwealth computers-in-school initiative.

Brethren schools have also secured grants under the Schools Pride program. All up, the 2400 children in Brethren schools will each receive the equivalent of $26,127 in recurrent funding and $11,200 in stimulus funding.

Australian Education Union federal president Angelo Gavrielatos said these sums were outrageous and the funding system had to be urgently replaced.

“How can the Government justify handing tens of millions of dollars to an organisation it believes is a cult while public schools which educate the vast majority of our children are struggling for funds?” Mr Gavrielatos said.

“The Government has said it will review schools funding this year. That review needs to be begin as a matter of urgency to allow for a proper public debate on where school funding should be directed and for what purpose.”

The Brethren is a fundamentalist Christian sect that lives by the doctrine of separation from mainstream society.

Brethren schools must teach the normal curriculum, although reports say some novels are banned and chapters on sex and reproduction are excised from science textbooks.

Brethren members are taught to shun broader society. They do not use TV, radios and do not watch movies or eat in restaurants. They do not vote, are opposed to unions and other forms of association, except their own church.

The Brethren has been accused by former members, and the Prime Minister in his 2007 comments, of denying those who leave access to their children, a claim the organisation denies.

Doug Burgess, the head of the Brethren’s Victorian schools, said its schools were growing rapidly and the funding reflected that.

He defended the sect’s right to school funding, saying the children would otherwise be enrolled in state schools at full taxpayers’ expense.
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January 12, 2010 8:22pm
Viking2

End of road for Aussie Falcon? Oh dear how sad.
Article from: AAP

January 12, 2010 09:24am

THE all-Australian Ford Falcon could soon be a thing of the past, the world president of the American car-making giant has warned.

The Falcon marks 50 years on Australian roads this year, but speaking at the Detroit motor show, Ford boss Alan Mulally said only one large car platform would be built for all world markets under the company’s One Ford program.

“The best thing for Ford is to bring our scale and volume (to the market),” Mr Mulally told Fairfax newspapers.

“(Car-makers) who make one vehicle, a different vehicle for one country, I think those days are gone, because you can’t compete with the global companies and Ford’s going to be a powerhouse globally.”

The likely successor for an Australian designed and engineered Falcon is a car based on the American Ford Taurus, which unlike the Falcon is a front-wheel drive car.

The Taurus was imported to Australia in the late 1990s with little success.

Mr Mulally would not say if Ford Australia would play a leading role in developing the large car platform, or whether a local version of the global car would be built in Australia.

Ford Australia president Marin Burela told Fairfax he hoped Australian engineering talent would be used for the project.

A decision on whether the world car would be front- or rear-wheel-drive was at least a year away, he said.

“The all-new Falcon doesn’t have to come into play until the end of 2014, early 2015, and we don’t have to make a decision until 2011 on what that vehicle will be, in terms of styling, technologies ” he said.

Mr Mulally said Ford Australia may help to develop the rear-wheel-drive Mustang platform.

The Ford Falcon was introduced to Australia in 1960.

The car has been the mainstay of Ford’s Australian manufacturing operations.

Ford Australia employs about 4700 people at its Victorian plants, 2300 of whom were factory floor workers and 2400 in areas such as engineering, administration, marketing and product design.

Panels and engines for the Falcon and its Territory wagon variant are produced at Geelong, with assembly housed at Campbellfield, in Melbourne’s north.

Falcon was the fifth-highest selling car in Australia in 2009, with 31,023 sales compared with 44,387 sales for the top-selling Holden Commodore.

Flagging sales because of higher fuel prices have hurt the Falcon and the Australian large car sector in recent years.
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January 12, 2010 8:38pm
Jack5

Reports of an NZ citizen being arrested as a terrorist in Lebanon – one Khaled Ziyad Shamout – the NZ Hooerald reports.

This guy is undoubtedly integrated rather than assimilated as an NZ citizen, in Victory University womble-speak.

The link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619798
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January 12, 2010 8:50pm
Jack5

DPF: Kiwiblog without karma buttons – a political meeting without claps or boos; a church service without amens or the congregation singing hymns; a university lecture without the smart-arse quips from the students; a film screened in an empty cinema; horse trials – racing without the punters cheering.
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January 12, 2010 11:42pm
pjje

Re Ms Gattung’s explanation of Telecom’s competitive policy of price obfuscation. Shortly before Ms Gattung made that speech, Harvard Business Review published an article explaining how other telecoms providers (including, I think, Telstra) pursued just that policy. If it was news to anyone when Ms Gattung mentioned it, that was perhaps because they were remarkably ill-informed. Not suggesting that everyone reads the HBR, of course, but I wonder why a competent business reporter or commentator would not be familar with it.
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January 13, 2010 12:33am
Reg

Jack5 (1407) @ 11.42 pm
DPF: Kiwiblog without karma buttons – a political meeting without claps or boos; a church service without amens or the congregation singing hymns; a university lecture without the smart-arse quips from the students; a film screened in an empty cinema; horse trials – racing without the punters cheering.

Hear Hear 13050 Boo Boo 0
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