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CharlieBrown

Just read about a lady who was mistreated by ACC:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619367&pnum=2

It goes to show the lefts argument against ACC being privatised is full of sh!t. I’ve heard many claims that service levels will go down, well it sounds like they don’t have very far down to go.
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January 10, 2010 12:25pm
Redbaiter

Another power crazed socialist brings another country to ruin. Chipping away at democracy, social stabiltiy and economic stability, another dogma driven Progressive drives a stake through the heart of the living standards of the citizenry.

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez’ decision to devalue Venezuela’s currency for the first time in nearly five years aims to stretch his government’s oil earnings further and counter a recession by increasing spending.

The devaluation of the bolivar lessens a wide gap with the black-market exchange rate for dollars and will unavoidably push inflation — already the highest in Latin America at 25 percent — to even higher levels.

Opposition leaders on Saturday called the devaluation a blow to Venezuelans that will make them pay through inflation while letting the government instantly convert its oil earnings into more cash domestically to boost spending ahead of congressional elections.

“Venezuelans’ standard of living has been devalued,” said Antonio Ledezma, Caracas’ opposition mayor.

Finance Minister Ali Rodriguez said the devaluation announced by Chavez on Friday night should add to inflation by 3 percent to 5 percent this year. Some economists predict a much bigger leap.

Dozens of Venezuelans lined up in Caracas on Saturday outside stores that sell electronics and appliances, trying to buy items that they fear soon will be considerably more expensive.

“When I heard about the dollar, I didn’t think twice about it. I got some of the last cash out of my account and I came to buy my washing machine,” said Iraima Rodriguez, a 31-year-old secretary. “Whenever they devalue, the prices go sky-high.”
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January 10, 2010 12:26pm
Whafe

More robust discussion is needed in my opinion on Muslims in general, have not stopped thinking about this yesterday…

Reading the fact that Mahamad is the most popular boys name in the UK amongst other places is down right scary… ALong with the fact that in 20 years, a third of the EU population will be Muslims……… This is way scary….
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January 10, 2010 12:30pm
Pete George

It is good to see they have been looking at a better way to deal with this:

Sweeping changes to the way sexual offence cases are handled by the courts are on the cards as government-ordered research throws new light on how the current system is failing victims.

The Law Commission has been instructed to look into whether an inquisitorial system should be used in sexual abuse cases, amid concern the current adversarial system is defective, and that rapists may be getting off scot-free.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3218475/Push-to-ease-rape-victims-court-ordeal

But there could be more to this than helping where mainly female victims are at a severe disadvantage….

Justice Minister Simon Power has now instructed the Law Commission to formally investigate whether an inquisitorial system should be used in sexual offending and child abuse cases and to report its recommendations back to him.

Does this mean it could also potentially address difficulties men can have in child abuse cases particularly relating to custody battles?
dads4justice?
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January 10, 2010 12:32pm
Elijah Lineberry

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I think our immigration laws are childish and silly.

If it were up to me I would ‘open the doors’ tomorrow and allow, say, the first five million or so chaps who apply for residency to come here without restriction or having to jump through hoops to do so.

We in New Zealand live in paradise and the more chaps residing in our great nation – the better; and therefore anyone wishing to live here should be able to do so without a seemingly endless battle with the State in order to qualify.

New Zealand will become a considerably more successful and rich Country if the population is raised from 4 million to 9 or 10 million in a short space of time and the ACT/National Socialist government is doing a great disservice by continuing with roadblocks to higher immigration.

Open the doors and let the new chums in!

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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January 10, 2010 12:45pm
Ryan Sproull

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Reading the fact that Mahamad is the most popular boys name in the UK amongst other places is down right scary…

What is scary about that?
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January 10, 2010 12:50pm
jackp

CharlieBrown, that discussed me. Although I don’t know the whole story, that email the acc EMPLOYEE signaled the arrogance of ACC and most bureaucracies. She used I not WE. The tone of that email told me that the public is working for ACC specifically this arrogant EMPLOYEE. We are their employers and should be treated with respect. This is one of the reasons I despise bureaucrats. The other reason is they waste so much money!!!!
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January 10, 2010 12:51pm
Whafe

What is scary about that?

What is not scary Ryan S is more so the question?
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January 10, 2010 12:53pm
Whafe

jackp, more so for me, bureaucracies tend to forget whom their customers are! As happened in the case you mention…
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January 10, 2010 12:56pm
Ryan Sproull

What is not scary Ryan S is more so the question?

What do you care what people name their kids?
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January 10, 2010 12:57pm
Matt Long

The implications of sharia law and jihad is what is scary about that.
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January 10, 2010 1:03pm
dime

30% of the population voting for an islamic parliment. muslims in charge of nukes. its a little bit scary.
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January 10, 2010 1:50pm
Ryan Sproull

Double-posting this year from the other thread, because I think it is of interest:

Want to see something cool?

On Google, start typing “Christianity is” or “Buddhism is” or “Hinduism is” and watch the autocomplete showing you common search phrases.

Then try “Islam is”.
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January 10, 2010 1:53pm
Ryan Sproull

30% of the population voting for an islamic parliment. muslims in charge of nukes. its a little bit scary.

Why is that any scarier than anyone else in charge of nukes?
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January 10, 2010 1:54pm
Redbaiter

” What do you care what people name their kids? ”

You should care. If hard line Islamic culture ever becomes the dominant NZ culture, you and all the other fags will be swinging from lamp posts.

Like the Libertarian fuckwit Elijah, you put no value on what you have, or what you have gained from traditional Judeo-Christian Western culture.

“Open the doors and let the new chums in!” proclaims Elijah in one of the best indicators you’d ever get as to why one should never vote Libertarian. What if they’re 10 or 20 million fervent believers in Red Chinese Communism Elijah? What if they’re 30 million illiterate and unskilled Somalis? What if they’re 50 million rabid Iranian Islamics?

Like Progressives everywhere, you put no value whatsoever on what you have now, and show no inclination to defend or protect it. You want it watered down, and our European traditions treated as a doormat for every other culture, no matter how uncivilized or barbaric.

If you believe so sincerely in immigration, then why not do it yourselves.

Might I suggest the Sudan as the first place you should try, so that just maybe, you might think back to the west one day and lament the time you believed its customs and traditions were of no value to you.
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January 10, 2010 2:12pm
Whafe

Ryan, you are suffering “Cranial Rectal Inversion”

Pull your head out of your ass and smell a good extracted coffee
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January 10, 2010 2:12pm
jaba

I see Matt McCarten backed dip-shit Mintos protest in his Sunday Herald column today. I see in the SST that Minto is an ex teacher now working for/with ……………… wait for it ……………….. Unite
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January 10, 2010 2:21pm
Ryan Sproull

You should care. If hard line Islamic culture ever becomes the dominant NZ culture, you and all the other fags will be swinging from lamp posts.

People name their kids Mohammed in the UK, and this will bring about “hard-line Islamic culture becoming the dominant NZ culture”? I think you missed a few steps.

Consider this: it doesn’t take all that much to be the most popular name of kids in the UK. Most people in the UK have no particular reason to name their kids one thing or another, whereas Muslims have a tendency to name their kids Muhammad, Ahmed, Ali, Aisha, etc., after major figures in their religion.

Think about how many names there are for non-Muslim Brits to choose from. Thousands and thousands. Even the most common names – Jack, Tom, Harry, Richard, etc – aren’t picked by that many non-Muslim Brits in proportion to all the other names they might use – Jonathan, Luke, Ryan, Elliott.

Do you see? In a country of tens of thousands of names, 0.5% of the population all naming their kids similarly are very likely to make that name one of the most popular for newly born kids.

Like the Libertarian fuckwit Elijah, you put no value on what you have, or what you have gained from traditional Judeo-Christian Western culture.

You demonstrably have no idea what I put value on. But plenty of the reasons I think you’re wrong come from my Judeo-Christian Western cultural heritage.

Like Progressives everywhere, you put no value whatsoever on what you have now, and show no inclination to defend or protect it. You want it watered down, and our European traditions treated as a doormat for every other culture, no matter how uncivilized or barbaric.

Your fear of boogeymen and appeals to the government to protect you from them – those are threats to our way of life too.
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January 10, 2010 2:31pm
grumpyoldhori

Another homophobic fundy hypocrite of a politician.
Except this one is female and Northern Irish.
Tsk,tsk, goes on about homosexuals stating they are a abomination yet at the age of 59 has an affair with a boy young enough to be her grandson, hell ,in biological terms the boy is young enough to be her great grandson.
Member of the Elim fundy church yep, believes in the teachings of the bible about homosexuals, maybe the woman should have checked the same chapter in the bible about adultery.

Yep I can hear her wails now, but it is different rules for we the religious.
And religious fundy hypocrites wonder why the public want to put the boot in.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2…ambley-belfast
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com…cle6981520.ece

I notice she stated medical help is available to turn homosexuals into straights, I wonder if the same is available for those who practice adultery to stop them ?
Hope she believes in this (And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.)
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January 10, 2010 3:12pm
Redbaiter

“Tsk,tsk, goes on about homosexuals stating they are a abomination yet at the age of 59 has an affair with a boy young enough to be her grandson, hell ,in biological terms the boy is young enough to be her great grandson.”

I guess if the youngster had been a girl, you’d have been a lot happier right Hori??
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January 10, 2010 3:19pm
grumpyoldhori

I would not have been at all surprised Baiter, normally those who rant on about gays have dirty little secrets they want to keep hidden.
I hope you do not take a wide stance like another good conservative does.
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January 10, 2010 4:09pm
Yvette

Ryan Sproull – OK, did you try “Judaism is” – it’s sort of halfway to Islam I take it.
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January 10, 2010 4:51pm
Pete George

What about:

The independent search after truth, unfettered by superstition or tradition;
the oneness of the entire human race;
the basic unity of all religions;
the condemnation of all forms of prejudice, whether religious, racial, class or national;
the harmony which must exist between religion and science;
the equality of men and women, the two wings on which the bird of humankind is able to soar;
the introduction of compulsory education;
the adoption of a universal auxiliary language;
the abolition of the extremes of wealth and poverty;
the institution of a world tribunal for the adjudication of disputes between nations;
the glorification of justice as the ruling principle in human society;
the establishment of a permanent and universal peace as the supreme goal of all mankind
—these stand out as the essential elements
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January 10, 2010 5:00pm
starboard

..gee where would I find this Utopia PG ??
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January 10, 2010 5:09pm
Ryan Sproull

I think he’s quoting the Baha’i religion, Starboard.
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January 10, 2010 5:26pm
starboard

Ryan Sproull

What do you care what people name their kids?
Why is that any scarier than anyone else in charge of nukes?

..” hello hello !! “…anyone home Mc Fly ??
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January 10, 2010 5:31pm
Ryan Sproull

What do you care what people name their kids?
Why is that any scarier than anyone else in charge of nukes?

..” hello hello !! “…anyone home Mc Fly ??

I’ve already explained how the number of kids named Mohammed doesn’t indicate some kind of uprising in Islamic births. If you want to argue with the maths, please do.
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January 10, 2010 5:37pm
Hurf Durf

Here’s my thoughts about the recent snow storms in the UK:

The Brown Labour government have been one of the most consistent and loudest doom mongers vis-a-vis climate change. Regardless of the anthropogenic global warming to and fro, we’ll say that climate change is a natural process and inevitable, which it is. For the last five years, they’ve been warning the British people about climate meltdown: more extreme weather, hotter summers and colder winters. This naturally entails more snow and ice and blocked, impassable roads. The British Government has been receiving said advice and warnings from the experts and in tow relay the same doom to the public to get them on board the bandwagon.

So, in spite of all this advice and warnings and doom for years on end: why is the government so hopelessly ill-prepared for this? Surely, they’d be stocking up on rock salt and grit and expanding Britain’s strategic gas reserves. Nope. Councils are prioritising grit, they’ve ordered more from the Mediterreanean (!) which won’t arrive until the 21st (!!) and they’ve got eight days of gas reserves left at best. Whole communities are sealed off from the outside world. And yet, despite this, the Labour government would rather seal itself in a Green bubble and stab each other in the back. Hundreds of millions of pounds to the Third World in order to “adapt” to climate change when the most unprepared on this issue seems to be Britain itself!

How could they have got this all completely wrong? Is the left hand not telling the right hand what it’s doing? Is it all just a load of hokey? Do the British Government just not care about its own people in the face of postcolonial guilt? Remember when Brown was jumping up and down with the floods back in 2007 compared to the non-interest showed now? Is Gordon Brown really that malevolent?

A Conservative government cannot come soon enough, regardless of David Tennant’s whining.
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January 10, 2010 5:39pm
Pete George

It could be just an abnormally widespread and prolonged amount of snow Hurf. Sometimes shit like that happens.
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January 10, 2010 5:44pm
starboard

come on man…Mohammed being the most popular boys name in the UK , not Tommy or William or Jack…its the UK FFS !!! not Saudi Arabia..Iran…Yemen….UK !!! Its there in blazing lights RS…
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January 10, 2010 5:44pm
Hurf Durf

The Met Office’s crap prediction of the season (“mild winter” lol) didn’t help matters much either.
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January 10, 2010 5:47pm
reid

“Why is that any scarier than anyone else in charge of nukes?”

Yes Ryan, you’re a very reasonable person on many things but if you’re sanguine with the idea of having mad mullahs in charge of real nukes with real delivery capability then I’m afraid I’m not with you on that.

Let me however define what is and isn’t a mad mullah.

A mad mullah looks like this and lives round here.

Some people think that a mad mullah looks like this or this but they are wrong and are sadly suffering from the well known propaganda-induced-useful-idiot delusional syndrome surprisingly common amongst people who think that Fox News is indeed, “fair and balanced.”
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January 10, 2010 5:49pm
Pete George

Mohammed being the most popular boys name in the UK

Actually no. If you take various variations of Mohammed it totals 5090 out of 339910 (1.5%).
Jack has 8007. And variations of that increase it more.
Plus there is also Jacob (3128) etc, and plenty of variations of John of which Jack is related.

Source: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=15282 (2008)

And that still doesn’t mean anything much.

There are about 1.5m Muslims in England and Wales, about 3% of the population. That’s a lot but a long way off being a majority.
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January 10, 2010 6:15pm
tristanb

I tried typing “Islam is” and because Google was a bit scared, I completed it with the first thing that popped into my head.

I found this quiz: http://islamisevil.org/quiz.aspx

Like DPF, I’ll brag about my score. 😀
Eleven out of 11 in less than 20 seconds.
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January 10, 2010 6:21pm
Ryan Sproull

Yes Ryan, you’re a very reasonable person on many things but if you’re sanguine with the idea of having mad mullahs in charge of real nukes with real delivery capability then I’m afraid I’m not with you on that.

Reid,

The 3% of the population of the UK that are Muslim “outbreeding” non-Muslims until they reach overwhelming numbers and suddenly participate in some kind of coordinated uprising and gain control of nuclear weapons is given to me as a nightmare scenario – and something a few people in this thread are genuinely worried about.

I was not clear. I am not sanguine about the idea of “mad mullahs” with nuclear weapons. I am just equally unhappy about the idea of anyone with nuclear weapons. I think they are monuments to mankind’s incredible stupidity.
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January 10, 2010 7:03pm
Ryan Sproull

come on man…Mohammed being the most popular boys name in the UK , not Tommy or William or Jack…its the UK FFS !!! not Saudi Arabia..Iran…Yemen….UK !!! Its there in blazing lights RS…

Starboard, I’ve already explained this to you. I will explain it again.

Non-Muslim parents in the UK name their kids a great variety of things.

Muslim parents have a tendency to name their kids after early Islamic figures.

Think of all the people in the UK who had kids last year, then narrow that down to the ones who had boys, then narrow that down to the ones who – out of ALL THE NAMES THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN – named their boy “Harry”.

All this statistic means is that the number of Muslims in the UK who had boys last year and named them Mohammed – as has been very common in Muslim families for centuries – just recently crept higher than the tiny number of people who went with Harry.

Do you see how tiny that number is?
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January 10, 2010 7:19pm
eszett

Reading the fact that Mahamad is the most popular boys name in the UK amongst other places is down right scary… Along with the fact that in 20 years, a third of the EU population will be Muslims……… This is way scary….

Not sure where you get your numbers from, but Mohammed was No 17 in 2007 in the UK and No 16 in England and Wales in 2008

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/naming/topnames2007
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=15282
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January 10, 2010 7:28pm
tristanb

Why would anyone name their child after a murderous hateful paedophile?
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January 10, 2010 7:36pm
Ryan Sproull

Why would anyone name their child after a murderous hateful paedophile?

Oh, they’re probably just being deliberately inflammatory. You’d be surprised how many people are just that childish.
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January 10, 2010 7:39pm
starboard

Starboard, I’ve already explained this to you. I will explain it again.

I give up.
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January 10, 2010 7:44pm
Ryan Sproull

It’s just maths. Don’t give up now. I believe in you.
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January 10, 2010 7:47pm
Pete George

More maths – and even the variations of Mohammed I totaled combined only rank 11th, and some of them are different names:
Mohammed, Mohammad, Mohamed, Mahamed, Mahmoud, Mahammed, Mohammod, Mohmmed, Mahmud
Mohamedamin, Mohanad, Mahmood, Mohmed, Mohmmad, Mohaned, Mahamad, Mahammad
Mahomed, Mohamed-amin, Mohammed-farhan, Mohamud, Mohannad

In Iran Mohammad is most popular followed by Ali.
In Iraq it is Ali, then Muhammed.

In the UK Ali is only 436. So Ryan could be right, they may be trying to be inflammatory and make you worry about them.

Top 10 are
Jack
Oliver
Thomas
Harry
Joshua
Alfie
Charlie
Daniel
James
William
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January 10, 2010 7:57pm
Ryan Sproull

Alfie?
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January 10, 2010 8:13pm
Pete George

ALFEY 4
ALFI 12
ALFIE 5557
ALFIE-GEORGE 5
ALFIE-JACK 9
ALFIE-JAMES 19
ALFIE-JAY 10
ALFIE-JOE 10
ALFIE-JOHN 7
ALFIE-LEE 22
ALFIE-RAY 4
ALFONSO 9
ALFRED 434
ALFREDO 13
ALFY 6
Total 6121
The Poms wind-up?
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January 10, 2010 8:16pm
tristanb

You’d be surprised how many people are just that childish.

Come on, everyone’s a child on the inside! 🙂

Except for Mohammed, who was inside a child.

(Sorry, that was bad and inappropriate. I voted you up Ryan for calling me on my previous comment.)
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January 10, 2010 8:34pm
Viking2

Unbelievable.

Queensland students may sing New Zealand anthem on Anzac Day
Article from: The Sunday Mail (Qld)

By Darrell Giles

January 10, 2010 12:00am

QUEENSLAND state school students will for the first time be encouraged to sing the New Zealand national anthem to commemorate Anzac Day.

Premier Anna Bligh will write to principals asking them to play God Defend New Zealand, along with the Australian national anthem, at school ceremonies.
# Vote: Should students sing the NZ anthem at Anzac Day ceremonies?

Her request, as chairwoman of the Anzac Day Commemoration Committee, could be controversial considering the rivalry between the Tasman neighbours, particularly in sport.

Queensland continues to be a magnet for Kiwis, with 11,700 settling here in the past year.

More than 150,000 live in the Sunshine State, about 40 per cent of all New Zealanders in Australia. Trade between the countries is worth about $2.8 billion.

Ms Bligh said it was time to mark NZ’s contribution to Australia by playing God Defend New Zealand.

“This would be a fitting tribute and suitable recognition of the members of the New Zealand armed forces who have served alongside the men and women of our Australian armed forces during wars, conflicts and peacekeeping operations,” Ms Bligh said.

“I encourage you to give favourable consideration to this request when planning the 2010 Anzac Day ceremony.”

The Premier said schools could obtain free copies of the Kiwi anthem on CD or the sheet music. It would be up to individual schools whether they got the children to sing the song or just listen to God Defend New Zealand.

The New Zealand consulate office in Brisbane said it was unlikely that schools in NZ would reciprocate, but a spokesman said Ms Bligh’s direction to state schools was a “wonderful gesture”.

Anzac Day – April 25 – falls on a Sunday this year, so the public holiday will be held the following day.

Queensland Principals Association chairman Norm Hart said it was “an interesting idea”.

He said Ms Bligh had called on schools to improve numeracy and literacy, with a target of being one of the top three states in the country, and the focus was on that rather that extracurricular activities.

“If she is saying our students have to learn the lyrics and sing it, then I am less impressed,” Mr Hart said.
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