General Debate 23 December 2009

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Jack5

New Year’s wish for 2010. That John Key appoints a Minister of Archaeology. This might increase the chance that the buried inquiry into the stolen Brash emails could be rediscovered, excavated, and generally brought to light. Remember Don Brash? Brought low largely because he dared ask for equal treatment for all under the law. Got treated a lot harsher than Harawira.
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December 23, 2009 10:40am
Pete George

Aren’t we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here? This won’t fool Santa.
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December 23, 2009 10:41am
MikeNZ

I want what Sandra Bullock wanted in miss congeniality
World Peace 🙂
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December 23, 2009 10:46am
Murray

I’ll settle for Sandra Bullock.
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December 23, 2009 10:55am
lofty

Get in the queue Murray!!!!! Santa has promised her to me!!! I might let you have seconds 😉
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December 23, 2009 11:05am
Pete George

Kidnap trio seize and rob woman, 82

An 82-year-old woman was kidnapped by three young women and driven around in the back of her own car while her captors robbed her of more than $1500.

Auckland police are hunting for the women, whose faces were filmed by security cameras, and are appealing to the public for any leads.

I hope the photo gets wide circulation so those three have a just Christmas.
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December 23, 2009 11:09am
reid

Just heard a good comment re: leaky homes on RadioLive.

What the govt should do is provide free legal representation to allow affectees to take developers builders architects etc to court.

Why not? Williamson is merely proposing to underwrite bank loans. That’s crap. Hold those responsible to account.
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December 23, 2009 11:22am
Murray

Lofty, from my cold dead fingers pal.
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December 23, 2009 11:23am
MikeNZ

So what was the best movie of 2009 so far?
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December 23, 2009 11:34am
RightNow

Sandra Bullock? Each to their own I suppose. I’m more of a Charlize Theron type of dreamer myself.
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December 23, 2009 11:41am
kowtow

No doubt the reverend in this case would be welcome at any “progressive” church gathering.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1222/breaking76.htm
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December 23, 2009 11:51am
MikeNZ

kowtow
are you an inflamer or a responder?
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December 23, 2009 12:10pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Poor old Fidel Castro. He’s written complaining about Danish police brutality (lol – own medicine!) and the fact that they’re not going to be handed billions money to play with.
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December 23, 2009 12:14pm
RightNow

Study shows that greenies have low ethical standards:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Green+shoppers+more+likely+cheat/2365766/story.html

“According to the results of a University of Toronto study, participants who assigned more social value to ‘green’ shopping were more likely to cheat and steal in subsequent tests than those with less stringent shopping habits.”
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December 23, 2009 12:15pm
Murray

Krazy if he can walk they weren’t that brutal.
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December 23, 2009 12:19pm
kowtow

MikeNZ @1210, don’t get it,please explain.
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December 23, 2009 12:35pm
Inventory2

@ kowtow – I wonder which part of “Thou shalt not steal” Rev Tim Jones doesn’t understand.

I daresay Glynn Cardy at St Matthews in the City will be wanting Rev Jones’ CV 😉
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December 23, 2009 12:37pm
Elijah Lineberry

I think the ACT party should never have gone into Government.

Had they been in a similar position to the 1996 – 99 Parliament (on the crossbenches supporting National) they could have concentrated on building their support, membership and finances for the future whilst pushing their main policies.

Instead because Rodney thought “I have been here for 12 years – time I enjoyed the fruits of office for a while” (and entering into coalition with National was based on nothing more than that) they have had a disastrous time in Government which has seen an abandonment of principles and policies for absolutely no gain whatsoever.

On the ‘crossbenches’ they would be saying “will we have a dozen MPs in 2011 or only 10?”; in government they are saying “will we be lucky enough to get 5 MPs next time?”

On the crossbenches they would be having one ACT policy after another implemented; in Government they have to implement socialism and pretend to have been closet Muldoonists and Maori activists for years

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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December 23, 2009 1:05pm
Inventory2

Your mathematics let you down Elijah. National + Maori Party + Peter Dunne = a majority in the House

To suggest that “On the crossbenches they would be having one ACT policy after another implemented” is simplistic at best
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December 23, 2009 1:14pm
kowtow

Rightnow@1215
That’s OK as they can find solace at St Lawrence’s York .See my 1151 am above.
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December 23, 2009 1:15pm
MikeNZ

Kowtow
Two opinions at variance with each other but linked.

“What I’m against is the way society has become ever more comfortable with the people at the very bottom, and blinded to their needs,” he said.

“It’s the job of our welfare system, which retailers support with the billions they pay each year in tax, to help vulnerable people,” said spokesman Richard Dodd. “There are no excuses for stealing.”

For some here that is a rational for dealing to lawbreakers, that life in NZ isn’t like other poor places so the lawbreakers should be penalised more harshly because of that.

It isn’t helped with stories of 300 people out of ? who have been living off the state benefit to what some consider the extreme.
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December 23, 2009 1:48pm
Komata

Agreed kowtow – after all, shoplifters are more socially ‘acceptable’ to St Matthews and their ilk than ’70 year-old Christian fanatics’ who just happen to actually believe in what the Bible says rather than merely using it as a means for a vocation.
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December 23, 2009 1:48pm
trout

State radio announcers and State TV presenters have rushed to change their pronunciation of W(h)anganui to a politically correct ‘fonganui’. Has nobody told them that local Maori regard the ‘wanganui’ pronunciation as correct even if they disputed the spelling?
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December 23, 2009 1:53pm
Murray

Even that is being argued about now trut with the various tribes claiming their own dialect is supreme.

Consequently Laws is going to change the name to New West Brightonshirebergton.
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December 23, 2009 1:56pm
Brian Smaller

Consequently Laws is going to change the name to New West Brightonshirebergton.

But pronounced “Wanganui”?
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December 23, 2009 2:00pm
Murray

As you wish.
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December 23, 2009 2:03pm
Komata

Trout, murray, you’ve both highlighted the old adage (slightly varied) that ‘you can take the Maori out of the tribe, but you can’t take the tribe out of the Maori’ – the dialectal discrepancy has always been an issue – although no-one in Maoridom wil ever admit to it.

What makes it especially funny and ironic is that I have it on very good authority, that what is taught as ‘NZ Standard Maori pronunciation’ in schools and elsewhere, is actually the dialect of a very small iwi in the far-eastern Bay of Plenty, who apparently had one of their own in a strategic location within the relevant ministry when the need for ‘standardised’ Maori language to be taught in schools was being debated, and managed to get the jump on the ‘big boys’ such as Arawa, Tainui, Tuhoe etc, with the result that his iwi’s dialect became the ‘official’ version of Maori in schools and elsewhere. The elder (from the iwi concerned) thought it was absolutely hilarious and fully appreciated the ‘burr-under-the-saddle’ effect it had had on the other, larger and supposedly more-important tribes as they were compelled to learn the dialect of a hitherto insignificant little group located out in the middle of nowhere. It apparently rankles no-end – even today.

A small point, but, I suspect, a very important one – thought you might like to know.
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December 23, 2009 2:15pm
Murray

My mother teaches Maori Komata and has done since before it became the cause de jour, you haven’t actually told me anything I didn’t already know.
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December 23, 2009 2:34pm
kowtow

Komata@215pm
“what is taught as” I was in an IRD office a wee while ago and there was a poster prominently displayed giving the ‘correct’ pronunciation of for instance Oh Ah Maru etc so someone in Wellington has put out the imprimatur and I imagine if you don’t follow the orthodox version you can probably kiss bonuses, promotions etc goodbye or maybe even get a warning letter for poor performance. Radio NZ and TVNZ weather announcements are really bad for my health.
I thought the new govt might have rolled back the clock but I suppose the deal with the M party as well as more important fish to fry means I’ll have to wait,not holding my breath tho.
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December 23, 2009 2:40pm
Murray

I’d be more impressed if any effort was made in our schools to have people speak English with some degree of accuracy.
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December 23, 2009 2:57pm
jaba

I am still shattered over the H .. it’s not over. That S (hit) F (or)B (rains) Mair has won .. my ancestors will be spinning in their graves having their written language ripped from them .. I am still shaking and will hold off any letters to the editors until I have calmed down. This is NOT a case case of spell it how you like, it’s a case of the H is official.
anyway .. talk of hot chicks .. saw Stevie Nicks and the band Sunday and she still rocks .. i lust over a 60+ year old .. all power to the oldies.
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December 23, 2009 3:21pm
Pete George

It’s funny, radio and TV used to try and use some poncy artificial pronunciation of English, now it seems like anything goes, but they try to standardise in Maori. Maybe they will grow out of that too.
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December 23, 2009 3:37pm
andrei

Well looky here: Obama Now More Loathed Than Bush at End of His Second Term
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December 23, 2009 4:03pm
Pete George

Well, looky here further down the Rasmussen article:

“One bright spot in the numbers for the President is that 51% of voters still say former President George W. Bush is more to blame for the nation’s economic woes. Just 41% point the finger of blame at the current President. “
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December 23, 2009 4:09pm
big bruv

Speaking of radio….

The female bashing wanker Vietch is back on Radio sport and Newstalk ZB.

“Broadcaster Tony Veitch will return to radio next year.

The former Radio Sport presenter is being hired by one of his former employers, The Radio Network (TRN), in the role of sports-news bulletin presenter and journalist for Newstalk ZB and Radio Sport from early January.

Veitch was suspended and then resigned as Radio Sport breakfast host on July 17, 2008, following a domestic dispute which was dealt with by the court.

Veitch says he is “incredibly grateful” to TRN “for giving me this opportunity to get back to doing what I love and the only career I’ve ever known.”

Veitch says while many things have changed over the past 18 months “my passion for sport remains the same. I’ve missed it desperately and I now look forward to once again utilising my skills as a journalist and a broadcaster.”

TRN says hiring Veitch as a contractor will give him the chance to prove himself again.

General Manager of talk programming Bill Francis says the company did not make the decision to rehire Veitch lightly. He says the opinion of the public and a number of people in the sports world were sought and they all thought Veitch should be back on radio.

In April, Veitch pleaded guilty to a charge of injuring with reckless disregard, his former girlfriend Kristin Dunne-Powell”
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December 23, 2009 4:13pm
Angus

Veitch returns.

Colour me not surprised.
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December 23, 2009 4:18pm
Pete George

Funny that they should announce it at this time of year so it gets everyone’s attention.

He says the opinion of the public and a number of people in the sports world were sought and they all thought Veitch should be back on radio.

Interesting claim that “the public” where part of “all” those who thought he should be back on radio.

I actually have mixed feelings about this, I don’t like what he has done but perhaps he should have a chance to get on with his life and work. Radio is certainly a safer re-introduction than being visible on TV.
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December 23, 2009 4:19pm
Angus

Shane Bond retires from test cricket. What a complete bummer.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10617206

Oh well, what’s a another couple of decades of living off the memories of Sir Richard John Hadlee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUff5NsfKU
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December 23, 2009 4:24pm
billyborker

andrei (500) Says:

December 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Well looky here: Obama Now More Loathed Than Bush at End of His Second Term

Well looky here: A xtian fruit loop posts about a politician’s popularity as it it is important. If same xtian fruitloop had read Romans 13 he would know god put ObaMA THERE SO oBAMA IS EITHER DOING GOD’S WILL, OR GOD PICKED A LOSER. Which is it, andrei?
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December 23, 2009 4:44pm
billyborker

BigBruv, why should Veitch, or anyone for that matter, be denied the right to earn a living. Are you happy to pay his dole for the next 50 years?
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December 23, 2009 4:50pm
billyborker

Three Gays and a Baby.

Perfect example of why poofs and dykes should never be permitted to have children.

What a tangled web we weave when the clever human race begins to meddle with nature. In the Irish courts this month a homosexual man won an injunction to stop two lesbians moving to Australia.

(…)

And you wonder what impact gay parenting will have on the lad. The usual gay-rights line is that children of homosexual households have no more or less inclination to live homosexual lifestyles themselves but that may not necessarily be the case. A Longitudinal Study of Lesbian Families’ in 1999 by Susan Golombok and Fiona Tasker found that 15 per cent of 39 children raised in 27 lesbian families had gone on to have a gay relationship. That compares with none of the kids from a comparative group of heterosexual families. And that also compares with about two or three percent of the general community who identify as exclusively homosexual. It doesn’t do much for the old gay-rights argument that homosexuals are born, not made, does it?

Back in the 1970s the law courts would not award custody to mothers who had turned lesbian and left a heterosexual marriage. The view was that lesbian motherhood was not a healthy nurturing environment but that view seems to have changed in the law’s eyes.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/blogs/modern-times/three-gays-and-a-baby/20091221-l7uv.html
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December 23, 2009 4:53pm
big bruv

Borker

Because he is a spineless little wanker who beats up women, the bastard should be in prison, it is only the fact that we have a separate justice system for rich white men in NZ that kept him out.
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December 23, 2009 5:00pm
big bruv

Angus

Bond can piss off for all I care, the prick has used NZC for years and when it comes time to repay the fans he bails for the money.

Fuck him, I could not give a shit if he never plays for NZ again.
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December 23, 2009 5:02pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Our son is back from the UK so TV3 is on a news time again. Yesterday we had one story on disappearance of a native bird egg, and another on problems with Kakapo mating.. both in the first news slot.

Today it’s baby Kiwi problems and day-in-the-life of a SPCA officer. All very interesting but it’s complete nonsense to call this prime-time news.
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December 23, 2009 6:19pm
TimG_Oz

Hey they let me back into NZ. Grumpy Old Hori wants me tried for treason, so I was expecting to get stopped at the border

Hardly been here (once in last 5 years). You lot are strange. Good weather but.
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December 23, 2009 6:27pm
Viking2

Probably better than watching the wankers at TV1 making up some shit news about someone.
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December 23, 2009 6:32pm
TimG_Oz

DPF – what’s with the date on this Post? Couldn’t you wait to open the pressies under the tree???
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December 23, 2009 6:42pm
Elijah Lineberry

What is the matter Tim, haven’t you ever dealt with a time traveller before? 😉

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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December 23, 2009 6:46pm
MikeNZ

So DPF
In the interest of fairness,
billyborker (1014) Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

Straight off the bat we have Billy Borker enflaming with no demerits?

billyborker (1014) Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Was it the longitudinal study that was his shield just so we can all know what to do?
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December 23, 2009 8:58pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

From stuff:

Court orders noses, ears cut off

A Pakistani court has ordered the noses and ears of two men cut off after they did the same thing to a young woman whose family spurned one of the men’s marriage proposal.

And Pakistan has nukes. Seeesh!
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December 23, 2009 9:38pm
billyborker

What’s your problem MikeNZ?

Is it because I called andrei for not knowing his bible?

Or was it because I posted re an article about the damage homosexuals can cause when they pretend to be parents?

Maybe you didn’t like my choice of words, but at least I am up front and honest about my opinions. You, I suspect, follow a religion with adherents who want poofs pushed back in the closet, their proclivities to be made illegal again. A religion that has senior leaders supporting the death penalty for homosexulaity. I have spoken out against this. Have you?
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December 24, 2009 6:33am
MikeNZ

Good morning Billy
You are the problem.
Either you are too dense or deliberately rude, you can’t be both and DPF seems to be protecting you.
It’s been said before why don’t you get banned by DPF. (it certainly seems that he gives you a big leash.

You post deliberate posts enflaming people of faith which certainly looks like trolling.
The only subject DPF protects are homosexuals (individual not the subject) but you manage to get that in after a leave of absence.

As youwill carry on please don’t anyone else moan about people of faith here going on on this blog anymore.
When we aren’t attacked and villified (or defended) we won’t have to respond and as we don’t deliberately enflame you have no excuse.
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December 24, 2009 8:25am
billyborker

So, Mike, you condone Kris K’s condemnation of homosexulas and his desire for them to be criminalised? Why?

You obviously also approve of the death penalty for homosexuals. Why?

I make no secret of my contempt for homosexuals whan they make fools of themselves at the Poofter Parades in Auckland, Sydney, and elsewhere. I refuse to use the word gay to refer to them, much preferring the correct term homosexual, or the more cloquial poof. But I also support their right to indulge in homosexual acts in private and oppose the death penalty simply for being born, or made, homosexual. Why don’t you?

I know why – because the correct spelling of Christian is hypocrite.
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December 24, 2009 8:34am
Pete George

Yesterday this thread was headed General Debate 25 December 2009 at
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/general_debate_23_december_2009.html

Now it is headed General Debate 23 December 2009 at
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/general_debate_25_december_2009.html

The elves are confused.
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December 24, 2009 8:34am
MikeNZ

Dear Billy
I won’t aid you in your baiting.
I am not going to get sidetracked into a discussion on homosexuality with you.

I cannot understand the venom and vitriol that spews out of you except in the context of serious hurt and degradation.

Have you or someone close to you been sodomised or been sexually abused by a priest and been given the run around by his denomination?
If that is so, I can understand the pain and grief you carry and feel for you and all those who come into contact with you.
I know others who are and have lived with that pain for years, affecting their personal and family lives to a horrible degree (of both genders).

If not, what can I say?
but bugger off.
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December 24, 2009 8:52am
Angus

Sorry, I don’t want to inadvertently make this into a thread about queers, but this is funny !

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2009/12/24/whoopsy-now-that-was-embarrassing/#comments
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