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Redbaiter

” BILL O’REILLY, HOST: In the “Factor Follow-up” segment tonight: A new Wall Street Journal poll says there is a big political change going on in America right now. Thirty-five percent of Americans see the Democratic Party favorably. Twenty-eight percent say they like the Republican Party. But a whopping 41 percent now say they support the Tea Party,”

Whilst here in NZ, a sludgy populace trudges onward without a thought to any kind of break out from the current stifling Progressive political paradigm. The old adage “voters get the government they deserve” has never been truer.
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December 19, 2009 10:09am
billyborker

Merril J Fernando for POTUS!
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December 19, 2009 10:10am
billyborker

Rodney Hide survived moves to oust him as Act Party leader last month after Prime Minister John Key privately indicated National’s deal with Act would be off if the minister were dumped.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616488

Why doesn’t Hide have the courage of his convictions and join the Notionals?
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December 19, 2009 10:15am
Pete George

Blind eye to child abuse to be an offence

Justice Minister Simon Power announced yesterday that the Government will make a raft of changes to child abuse laws, including a new offence of “failing to protect”.

It will make adults criminally liable if they do not intervene or tell the authorities that someone else in the house is abusing or neglecting a child or other “vulnerable” person, such as the elderly.

In some cases it could be difficult to prove, but it makes a strong statement and will hopefully “encourage” more family and community responsibility.
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December 19, 2009 10:18am
andrei

Latest from the Copenhagen farce

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he “still” smelled sulfur after President Obama made a keynote speech at the Copenhagen climate conference Friday, accusing the American president of carrying the same satanic scent that Chavez believes followed Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.

At least Chavez speaks his mind unlike like the meaningless piffle emanating from the mouth of our glorious leader John Key as he spends money we don’t have to for science on a non issue regarding “Agricultural Emissions”
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December 19, 2009 10:18am
billyborker

Theer goes Tony Abbott’s chances of ever being Aussie PM.

BIBLE classes should be compulsory so children have a fundamental understanding of Christianity on leaving school, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/all-kids-must-read-the-bible-federal-opposition-leader-tony-abbott-says/story-e6frf7l6-1225811885777

Anyone still wonder why his nickname is The Mad Monk?
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December 19, 2009 10:26am
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Exactly andrei. And listen to The Unpopular One:

“While the reality of climate change is not in doubt, I have to be honest, as the world watches us today, I think our ability to take collective action is in doubt right now and it hangs in the balance,” he said. “I believe we can act boldly, and decisively, in the face of a common threat. That is why I have come here today. Not to talk, but to act.”

1. The climate has, does and will change, and there I no “collective action” humans can change this fact.

2. The reality is there’s significant doubt of the extent, if any, of humans impact of any part of the climate equation.

3. Why does he talk of ‘boldness’, ‘decisiveness’ when the measurable success of those brave actions will be in 2050… long after these ‘leaders’ have left office or are themselves being carbon recycled 6-foot under?

4. It is only egos and world government aspirations that ‘hang in the balance’

5. Does The Unpopular One know that his vacuous 2050 offer will be asking Americans to return their 2050 carbon emissions to the same per capita ratio at 1875? It’s not going to happen. Ever.
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December 19, 2009 10:33am
joe90

The tea party ‘die in’ crowd and an hilarious John Stewart piece on the final tea party of the year
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December 19, 2009 10:35am
Rod

From the BBC:
“Responding to the news, Greenpeace UK executive director John Sauven expressed disappointment.
“It seems there are too few politicians in this world capable of looking beyond the horizon of their own narrow self-interest, let alone caring much for the millions of people who are facing down the threat of climate change,” he said.
“It is now evident that beating global warming will require a radically different model of politics than the one on display here in Copenhagen.””

Clear evidence of the totalitarian agenda being pursued by Greenpeace, if more evidence was necessary.
They don’t achieve their narrow political agenda so the rest of the world is wrong. A very bad sign of their authoritarian anti-democratic stance.
Why do people still support this dreadful organisation without looking behind its false and showy green shop front?
Why does the BBC always give them air time?
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December 19, 2009 10:37am
Fletch

BIBLE classes should be compulsory so children have a fundamental understanding of Christianity on leaving school, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says.

And so they should. Our history and culture are part of a Christian heritage. Even if children aren’t going to be particularly religious they should know what the Bible says. It should be a part of the curriculum as much as Shakespeare. Passages from the Bible are referenced often in everyday life, not just by the religious but by anyone wishing to make a particular point and it is seen as ignorance not to know what someone is talking about.
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December 19, 2009 10:42am
billyborker

One more for the xtians to get in a tizz over – the newest Wii game – Masswepray.

http://www.masswepray.com/

Forget going to church, now you can have your own church at home, right inside your Wii,
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December 19, 2009 10:45am
eszett

Whilst here in NZ, a sludgy populace trudges onward without a thought to any kind of break out from the current stifling Progressive political paradigm. The old adage “voters get the government they deserve” has never been truer.

Well, red, what is stopping you from creating your very own tea party movement here in NZ? If it is so great, I am sure it will catch on here in NZ. It is a grass root movement after all, so just start one up here.
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December 19, 2009 10:46am
Redbaiter

Poor Joe90. An inarticualte loser who constantly and obsessively attempts to draw attention to links he thinks are so special, but give rise to exactly zero curiosity among those who do not have the slightest need for the partisan bullshit of boring and unamusing Progressive idiots trying to make a name for themselves by attacking Conservatives. What a yawner.
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December 19, 2009 10:47am
Pete George

For me, Shakespeare was boring, and the Bible was just as boring. Both written in language that didn’t gel and about times I didn’t empathise with. Neither should be compulsory.
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December 19, 2009 10:47am
Fletch

An Auckland Anglican church decided last night to take down its controversial Christmas billboard after an elderly woman slashed it with a knife – the third attack in two days.

God bless you, woman.
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December 19, 2009 10:48am
Sonny Blount

John Stewart piece on the final tea party of the year

I’ve always enjoyed Jon Stewart even though I disagree with his bias, but that piece was ridiculous.

What a POS he has become.
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December 19, 2009 10:51am
billyborker

May she burn in the everlasting lake of fire for her defacing of the holy images of Christ’s parents.

May her tits turn in to bicycle wheels and back pedal up her arse.
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December 19, 2009 10:51am
side show bob

Hate to tell you Pete but you have a lot in common with Shakespeare and the Bible.
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December 19, 2009 10:54am
Pete George

I’m not compulsory, that’s how it should be.
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December 19, 2009 10:56am
andrei

Christian Extremist – a little old lady with a knife.

Truthfully I wish the poster had remained to stand in condemnation of those who erected it – let the world see for themselves who they truly are.
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December 19, 2009 11:05am
Rod

Mann Made Global Warming Is True!
I suppose I am one of the last to notice this play on words, but I did enjoy this reference to Professor “Hockey-Stick” Mann.
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December 19, 2009 11:11am
andrei

a paraphrase of something I read somewhere – I wish I could remember where

If an Anglican Priest erects a sacrilegious billboard his Bishop issues a vague statement of regret.

A Catholic Priest who did this would be hauled before his Bishop and be required to do some serious Penance

An Orthodox Priest who did this would be lucky if his Bishop arrived in time to prevent his Parish Council from drawing and quartering him
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December 19, 2009 11:15am
Manolo

Excellent article in UK’s Telegraph.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100020279/copenhagen-climate-summit-most-important-paper-in-the-world-is-a-glorified-un-press-release/

The harshest remark: “This week has been truly historic. It has marked the beginning of the landslide that is collapsing the whole AGW imposture. The pseudo-science of global warming is a global laughing stock and Copenhagen is a farce. In the warmist camp the Main Man is a railway engineer with huge investments in the carbon industry. That says it all. The world’s boiler being heroically damped down by the Fat Controller. Al Gore, occupant of the only private house that can be seen from space, so huge is its energy consumption, wanted to charge punters $1,200 to be photographed with him at Copenhagen. There is a man who is really worried about the planet’s future.”
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December 19, 2009 11:24am
kowtow

Here’s another good one from Telegraph on religion ,culture and the law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/6840557/Our-human-rights-culture-has-now-become-a-tyranny.html
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December 19, 2009 11:42am
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Goodbye Saab
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December 19, 2009 11:46am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616465&pnum=2

An excellent read on the breakdown of our court system
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December 19, 2009 11:49am
KiwiGreg

@ krazykiwi – capitalism is creative destruction – I doubt SAAB will be the last car company to go (and shouldn’t be – there are way too many still).
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December 19, 2009 11:49am
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

“Climate deal reached but doesn’t go far enough” — Key

Translation: “Listen, if you don’t believe all this AGW crap, know that behind closed doors we all bid for as little involvement in this circus as we could get away with (not having the balls to walk away). If you do believe the AGW lies (odd, but some still do…) then be comforted by the publicised notion that I wanted to do more, but was held back by my more skeptical peers.”
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December 19, 2009 11:58am
Rod

More evidence that the West has gone mad:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/controlling-money.html
… and that the astute developing world is running circles around the stupid lefty western governments, who couldn’t run a micturition escalation in a fermented beverages plant, let alone a bath.
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December 19, 2009 11:59am
Angus

Heh, Manolo. I particularly enjoyed this bit:

“If there were not $45trillion of Western citizens’ money at stake, this would be the funniest moment in world history. What a bunch of buffoons. Not since Neville Chamberlain tugged a Claridge’s luncheon bill from his pocket and flourished it on the steps of the aircraft that brought him back from Munich has a worthless scrap of paper been so audaciously hyped. There was one good moment at Copenhagen, though: some seriously professional truncheon work by Danish Plod on the smellies. Otherwise, this event is strictly for Hans Christian Andersen.”
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December 19, 2009 11:59am
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Beat me to it Angus. That last para is the best 🙂
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December 19, 2009 12:28pm
MT_Tinman

I’m sick of godbothering (the pluses and minuses) and global bloody warming.

Answer me this.

What is it about bagpipes?

Every official function I’ve watched over the last few years has had either a lone piper or a full pipe band as part of it.

I’ve just watched a group of graduating students walk across Christchurch from the Arts Centre to the Town Hall.

They were of course led by a bloody piper.

Often at functions, by the time the stoneage wailing and the pipe band (stoneage screeching?) have finished there is no time for the function.

Why in this English based, multicultural society as far from Britain as anyone can get do function organisers insist on this bloody Scottish torture at every junction?

The noise defies description.

It is a well known fact that after the Royal Navy, the Royal Airforce and the “Paras” had failed to remove the Argentine forces from the Falklands in 1982 a lone piper was installed, with megaphone, on a hill overlooking Port Stanley. (13th of June, 1982 – look it up)

A great tactic.

The Paras withdrew three miles out to sea and those Argies who could not run/swim fast enough surrendered en-masse to the only Pom left on the island, a deaf gunner’s mate who was having a slash when the piper started up, and demanded earplugs.

I myself am on record as stating that far from being best when heard emanating from over the water (an oft told falsehood) bagpipes are far better when heard coming from under the water.

The only time I’ve ever found the bagpipes even partially acceptable was when a group of four young fellows started playing outside the Christchurch Cathedral last week and for a short time their caterwauling drowned out the incessant, tuneless whistling and braying of a blind lunatic who infests this area and pollutes the whole square.

So why do we get the bloody pipes all the bloody time?

Surely it is time for NZ to stand up and say enough, we want our own “music” to lead the procession.

I suggest a lone Maori guitarist strumming Ten Guitars – which should, if you think about it, take care of the stoneage wailing as well.
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December 19, 2009 1:27pm
krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)

Tiger Wood has been dropped by Tag Heuer, Accenture and Gillette. That’s a shame, because he probably needs some timely , smooth advice on how to restore his endorsement income streams 🙂
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December 19, 2009 2:06pm
Fletch

What is it about bagpipes?

LOL, that made me laugh. I guess one could say the same about the haka.
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December 19, 2009 2:34pm
Fletch

I saw this in the paper edition of the Herald and it really made me laugh and shake my head. A researcher from Australia reckons that Santa is too obese and is a bad role model for children.

“We need to be aware that Santa has an ability to influence people, and especially children, towards unhealthy behaviour,” they said. “Given Santa’s universal appeal, and reasoning from a population health perspective, Santa needs to affect health by only 0.1% to damage millions of lives. We propose a new image for Santa to ensure that his influence on public health is a positive one.”

Oh, give me a break! 0.1% ? That sounds like a figure plucked out of the air, to me.

WHAT PC RUBBISH!

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jPRxoKl2IZfg8NkrfMwiPIlgxd6A
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December 19, 2009 2:57pm
malcolm

He is too fat. I tell him that every year in the letter I send. His BMI is right off the edge of the bloody Health Department poster.
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December 19, 2009 3:17pm
Redbaiter

“I tell him that every year in the letter I send.”

That the same letter you ask him for a replacement for the lookalike Whoopi Goldberg blow up doll? No wonder he only delivers a patching kit.
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December 19, 2009 3:26pm
malcolm

Stick with that new medication, Red. You’re being quite civil at the moment and I can almost detect a whiff of humour.
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December 19, 2009 4:44pm
Fletch

Did anyone read this? It looks like the Maoris are planning to sell off bits of our country, bypassing the usual procedures and we are in risk of losing sovereignty over lands in our own country!

Criticism is mounting over a Maori trust buying up thousands of hectares of prime southern land, possibly on behalf of foreign investors.

Federated Farmers and the Green Party are crying foul over aspects of the offers, believed to total more than $150 million made for 28 farms.

Federated Farmers said yesterday it was “very nervous” about reports deposits may not have been paid, and the Greens claimed the trust might be acting as a “proxy” for foreign interests to engineer a “land grab” and avoid requirements under the Overseas Investment Act.

“The Overseas Investment Act needs to be strengthened to protect New Zealand’s sovereignty. We must ensure we pick up any attempt to use proxies to avoid the intent of the act,” Greens co-leader Russel Norman said.

The trust’s spokesman is Invercargill-based Wynn Murray, who this week declined to name the organisation or confirm rumours it was financed by Dubai interests.

But he did confirm the trust had some overseas backing.

He did not return calls yesterday.

In late November, state-owned investment business Dubai World stunned the financial world when it announced it was defaulting on payments of $83.5 billion property-fuelled debt for six months, US$10 billion ($14 billion) of which has since been paid by another Emirate, Abu Dhabi.

Federated Farmers’ rural security spokesman, David Rose, cautioned farmers to “conduct strict due diligence” before entering into any sale agreements for their farms.

“I am extremely nervous of reports that no deposits are being taken. It is pretty fundamental that a deposit be exchanged as a tangible sign of good faith,” Mr Rose said.

Mr Murray told the Otago Daily Times earlier that deposits would be paid when contracts were finalised, by late February or early March.

Mr Rose said that given Dubai, and Dubai World’s “pressing business issues” over the default, he was concerned the “supposed backer may not be prioritising the purchase of Southland farms”.

He added: “The fact that a reported deposit milestone has already been missed is further cause for alarm.”

Mr Rose urged farmers to seek legal and independent advice and to insist on taking a deposit.

Dr Norman claimed the Government should stop trying to weaken “already loose rules” covering overseas investment.

“Should overseas interests buy up large chunks of New Zealand’s primary production, we risk losing sovereignty,” he said.
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December 19, 2009 4:56pm
Tauhei Notts

Dutch Striker that won at Awapuni today;
Is that owned by the Kevin Brady that was the the very brave Auditor General?
Remeber when when he irritated that sex kitten from Mount Albert?
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December 19, 2009 7:32pm
MT_Tinman

Fletch, what a load of pure and utter crap.

It matters not who owns land in NZ but who makes the laws regulating the use of that land.
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December 19, 2009 9:33pm
Jack5

Any Southlanders following Kiwiblog might be able to tell us whether the Southland Times runs opinion pieces from the ACT party as it does from the Maori Party?

Incidentally in the piece on Wednesday from the Maori Party’s Rahui Katene (link below) one Krichbaum is cited for a broad definition of racism, which seems to be any society that doesn’t embrace the philosophy of multiculturalism.

Presumably this isn’t Krichbaum the SS colonel in charge of deporting Hungarian Jews that led to about 300,000 dying in concentration camps. I think it is the Methodist minister Krichbaum, leader of the Michigan Roundtable for Diversity and Inclusion, formerly known as the the Southeast Michigan Chapter of the National Conference of Christians and Jews.

For anyone interested in Katene’s definition, here is a link to the Southland Times article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/columns/from-the-beehive/3164508/Racism-is-more-than-just-personal-abuse
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December 19, 2009 9:42pm
Luc Hansen

I see that JK seems to have had a change of mind recently, given his speech here
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December 19, 2009 10:10pm
noodle

I see that another little child has been admitted to hospital after being run over in a driveway. How many is that now?
What the hell is wrong with parents? I would not let my stupid little dog be outside if a car was coming or going down the drive. I watch him. Why don’t some parents do that with their children?
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December 19, 2009 10:16pm
Jack5

Re Noodle’s 10.16.

The rear vision of many of the latest vehicles, and not just SUVs, is poor. Aesthetics take precedence over safety. Most cars have blind spots for backing, though.

You can get backing video cameras. The wired ones are better than the wireless ones, which though cheaper, at least in theory could be affected by interference. They use the public frequencies shared by home computer wireless networks, garage door openers etc. The cameras’ picture on the dashboard can also be whited out if the vehicle is backing into bright sunlight. Audio devices that help in parking are of limited in use in protecting pedestrians, children or adults. The warning beeps on Japanese commercial vehicles when they are backing might be useful on cars, at least to warn older children and adults. Turning pads so vehicles can easily leave a section driving forward might also help.

But ultimately, Noodle, you are right. Drivers need to be always vigilant getting out on to the street. The way some vehicles whiz back out of driveways is a menace to passing children and adults. Every pedestrian must have waited for a car to back on to the street and then drive off without the driver having seen the waiting person on foot.
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December 19, 2009 10:34pm
Luc Hansen

I often take our baby for a walk in her pram and I always watch out for cars reversing out of driveways. Invariably, the driver, especially if it is a male driver, blithely reverses in front of us, then sees us and says sorry. It’s just not good enough.

I always make sure our daughter, now walking and mobile, is safely inside before I reverse out to go somewhere. And I check the footpath too.

It’s not being paranoid; it’s just being safe.
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December 19, 2009 10:49pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

The Copenhagen Summit was all hat no cattle.
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December 20, 2009 12:01am
Luc Hansen

Who the fuck gave me bad karma for caring about our babies and kids?!!!

What a whuckwit.
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December 20, 2009 12:16am
noodle

Jack5 and Luc Hansen. Fair points, but what I failed to convey is my concern that family members are crunching their own kids on their properties before they even reach the street. I commented because there is far too much of it happening.
I do not know the solution.
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December 20, 2009 12:34am
Luc Hansen

Noodle

It’s just education

That means govt spending

It’s only about kids so it won’t happen.
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December 20, 2009 12:38am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Some of the staff for the Eurostar were planning strike action before Christmas. Turns out the trains themselves decided to go on strike and beat the scheming Unionists to the punch.
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