General Debate 14 December 2009

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mickysavage

Latest TV3 poll, National down 5, Labour and Greens up 4.5.

Smith’s appalling handling of the ETS has obviously had an effect.

[DPF: Actually the TV3 poll with a 25% gap is very consistent with the November polls, and shows little change.

The previous TV3 poll was in October and was shall we say artificially high with a 60% to 27% result. That was never going to last.]
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December 14, 2009 8:18am
Yvette

Yesterday

Johnboy (1691) Said:
December 13th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem . . .

Popular. Like: 75 Dislike: 14

75 must be a record, is it not DPF ?
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December 14, 2009 8:23am
Pete George

Changing climate, but not a smoking gun…

Otago Regional Council records highlighted a significant increase in the intensity of rainfall events in the past decade, resulting in more flooding within the city, but showed the overall amount of rain falling on Dunedin was declining.

There had also been a noticeable drop in the number of frosts across Otago since 1953, and an increase in the number of days with temperatures over 25degC.

Tidal-gauge data from the Dunedin harbour basin also showed the sea level was already creeping up at a rate of 1.3mm a year. The rate, based on measurements dating back to 1899, would equate to just a 12cm increase in Dunedin by 2100, but the pace was expected to increase.

The changes were consistent with climate-change predictions, although it could not be confirmed and could yet prove to be “natural variation”.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/85633/rising-sea-039will-pose-threat-dunedin039
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December 14, 2009 8:24am
Brian Harmer

I can’t help feeling that the Goff speech may have appealed to a volatile constituency with a fortress like mentality on issues of race. The same people would have loved Don Brash’s Orewa speech and I think they will go with anyone else who, for the moment appears to support their beliefs. It’s an unpredictable pendulum.

For clarity, I didn’t like Goff’s speech.
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December 14, 2009 8:24am
Inventory2

Indeed Brian – not only has Goff taken over from Peters as the longest-serving MP in the House; he has adopted Winston First’s key policy plank!
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December 14, 2009 8:29am
petal

Geert Wilders is saying what a lot of people are afraid to even think. There are parallels here with the ’30s and “good people doing nothing” while a nationalistic movement took over the country, and eventually most of Europe. There is a complete IDIOCY going on where our “tolerance” means that we sacrifice our way of life as to not ‘offend’ those who have no such needs/standards/guidelines of their own. It’s like inviting people in need to stay in your sleepout, and over time they end up in your house and bed and you are in the sleepout having to beg to come inside and use your own toilet.
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December 14, 2009 8:31am
hj

The Common Link with Climate Change, Peak Oil, Limits To Growth, Etc. – Belief Systems:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6031
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December 14, 2009 8:32am
petal

“The changes were consistent with climate-change predictions, although it could not be confirmed and could yet prove to be “natural variation””

News! Something is something, or it is something else.

Great fence sitting by the ODT.
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December 14, 2009 8:33am
joe90

Michael Yon: Arghandab & The Battle for KandaharIf you’re interested in WTF is going on this is a must read.

Russians say we repeat their mistakes but they are wrong. The Soviets employed true scorched-earth tactics—the same tactics that many armchair commanders at home would like to employ. Every time the Soviets whacked the Afghan hive, more hornets raged out. Soviets bullied their way around places like Hungary and Czechoslovakia, and were fantastically brutal in Afghanistan, using all the fire they could breathe. Their “Rules of Engagement,” if any, were probably more concerned with conserving ammunition.
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December 14, 2009 8:37am
joe90

There are parallels here with the ’30s and “good people doing nothing” while a nationalistic movement took over the country, and eventually most of Europe

Eight thirty on a Monday morning and the threads been Godwined.
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December 14, 2009 8:45am
petal

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. — George Santayana, in “Reason in Common Sense”

and that applies to BOTH of your posts above.
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December 14, 2009 8:51am
Chicken Little

Eight thirty on a Monday morning and the threads been Godwined.

Actually Joe it’s been decided that the Godwin meme does not apply to climategate. The decision has been throughly peer reviewed and has the backing of one hundred million respected completely neutral experts worldwide.

It’s not that the activists are acting particularly like Nazis at the moment but they may act that way in the future. We must take precautionary measures against them to forestall this future fascism, otherwise trillions of Bangladeshis could die from this rising wave of stupidness.

Please report to your nearest recycling centre for dissolution.
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December 14, 2009 9:01am
Sonny Blount

Thanks for your thorough research Pete.

They give an observation that lines up with no runaway AGW:

The rate, based on measurements dating back to 1899, would equate to just a 12cm increase in Dunedin by 2100 … There were no signs yet the rise was accelerating

The article is then written with the usual conjecture and spin to deflect from this including an entirely irrelevant headline:

Rising sea ‘will pose threat to Dunedin’

…but the pace was expected to increase.

Looks like our taxpayer dollars will fix this though with some East Anglia style fudging and modeling:

There were no signs yet the rise was accelerating, but a University of Otago masters student planned to study that next year, he said.

He was more comfortable with the latest predictions by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2007, which predicted a 0.6m rise by 2100.

University of Otago geochemist Abigail Smith, of the marine science department, said a computer model she helped develop highlighted the challenges the city might face

This sounds like good news:

There had also been a noticeable drop in the number of frosts across Otago since 1953, and an increase in the number of days with temperatures over 25degC.

But why 1953? This sounds awfully specific, somewhat like 1998.

Otago Regional Council records highlighted a significant increase in the intensity of rainfall events in the past decade, resulting in more flooding within the city, but showed the overall amount of rain falling on Dunedin was declining.

This is virtually meaningless as it is totally unquantified, no timeframes or measurements.

More disgraceful reporting, the author of the article and editor of the paper should be fired immediately but I’m not holding my breath.

Pete, putting up stuff like this makes me suspect you are a mole considering the embarrassments of AGW that you continually highlight.
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December 14, 2009 9:06am
Michaels

Oh just to funny……. North Shore Drunk Mayor has just rung Leighton Smith’s producer threatening to sue him if he keeps talking about him.
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December 14, 2009 9:15am
Redbaiter

The left-

” the wealth is redistributed to political cronies. It is not so much an ideological campaign as the appropriation of wealth and arbitrary power to fund themselves and consolidate their hegemony. ”

http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/12/12/the-left-from-progressive-to-oppressive/

Worth a read if you’re interested in understanding the left’s obsessive drive for political power.
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December 14, 2009 9:15am
Pete George

Sonny, that article was topical and typical, I thought it might be of interest for those wanting to keep up with what is happening with the climate. I thought it was reasonably balanced and common sense. What really is your gripe with it? That it doesn’t completely discount AGW?
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December 14, 2009 9:17am
Redbaiter

Two timely graphics that give the old saying “a picture is worth a thousand words” new life, and expose the left’s intense desire to control the debate-

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6913/gorebullwarming.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3139/obamunismsuckssmall.gif
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December 14, 2009 9:18am
Pete George

understanding the left’s obsessive drive for political power.

If that is true what does it say about “the right” who on average are in power more than the left?
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December 14, 2009 9:19am
Redbaiter

Armed force used to shut down questioning journalist at UN Climate Conference-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI
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December 14, 2009 9:20am
joe90

Petal, HTF do you get an edit function and I don’t?.

CL, umm, Petal was referring to the Geert Wilders article that was posted in yesterdays GD.

WRT the whole climate debate/shifight, I’m pretty much an agnostic but I reckon this bloke is on the money.
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December 14, 2009 9:21am
Redbaiter

The left have perverted every public facility, major parts of our culture, our media and our education system, and of course our system of government and democracy itself, into a totalitarian web designed to deliver to them the supreme political power they obsess over.
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December 14, 2009 9:26am
Redbaiter

A 59 second video that deals a devastating blow to the indoctrinated evangelistic youth and aging totalitarian socialists that comprise the AGW forces-

The hockey stick versus ice core data.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI
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December 14, 2009 9:41am
Johnboy

“Oh just to funny……. North Shore Drunk Mayor has just rung Leighton Smith’s producer threatening to sue him if he keeps talking about him. ”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6954621.ece

Going the same way as Pommieland are we? Andrew Williams is after all a comedians dream subject. 🙂
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December 14, 2009 9:42am
Tassman

I have made a suggestion that for Goff to pick up support, he has to turn left sharply away from competing with the National on the right wing agenda. Not only his whole party turned, but also gained public support. Keeping going left and and enjoy it while National spirals down on the slippery slope on the back of the Climate Change debate, Education, ACC, and obviously the Public Service.

This is immediately felt with the coercive nature of the media to stamp out freedom of speech in public places…
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December 14, 2009 10:02am
Sonny Blount

Sonny, that article was topical and typical, I thought it might be of interest for those wanting to keep up with what is happening with the climate. I thought it was reasonably balanced and common sense. What really is your gripe with it? That it doesn’t completely discount AGW?

Do you think this is a fair headline:

Rising sea ‘will pose threat to Dunedin’

For this piece of scientific data:

The rate, based on measurements dating back to 1899, would equate to just a 12cm increase in Dunedin by 2100 … There were no signs yet the rise was accelerating
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December 14, 2009 10:21am
Jack5

The Christchurch Press has gone overboard shouting global warming. It has sent a suitably bearded reporter to Copenhagen to bore us readers shitless, and today he waxes indignant because John Key is dining with the Danish Royal family when he could be listening to Nick Smith deliver a speech that Key will already have read.

The bearded greenie reporter then goes on to quote – who else – Labour’s Chauvel calling for public pressure on Key to attend the talk shops.

So the Greenie pressure just wasn’t about getting Key to Copenhagen, it was about getting at Key.

The Monday dailies are so light and boring (because most of the world is still in its weekend) why don’t they just publish Tuesday to Sunday?
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December 14, 2009 10:40am
Pete George

Note the quote marks Sonny, suggesting they are reporting what some one said.

More controversial is the opening in the first paragraph:

Water lapping over the Forsyth Barr Stadium site, parts of Portsmouth Dr under water and roads crumbling into the sea on the Otago Peninsula

Portsmouth Drive and the peninsula road already get pounded by waves at times, and large areas of reclaimed land bordering the harbour or with high water table would be threatened by further increases.

“Lapping over” the new stadium is deliberately attention seeking, but they do say “site” which could mean ground level, a high sea and flooding Leith River are a risk there.
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December 14, 2009 10:43am
getstaffed

Some useful sites (SPPI Blog, WattsUpWithThat, ClimateAudit, ClimategateTV) for anyone interested at some balance in the face of constant MSM alarmism.

I expect the pushback from the usual AGW alarmists & apologists, no doubt with smearing the skeptics’ names with sundry claims of backing by ‘Big oil’ or long history of lying etc.

Ignore the DDD strategy (Deflect, Deny, Denigrate) , and take on some rational balance to what we’ve been spoon fed via the education system and MSM for 15+ years.
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December 14, 2009 11:07am
Komata

On a completely different note:

Did anyone see the absolutely brilliant Sky TV advert’ for the History Channel on TV3 last night (13 December 2009)?

For those who didn’t, it went something like this:

Opening picture: A young dad in a supermarket suddenly gets mayonnaise splashed across his face, while the sounds of an hysterically crying child are heard off-stage. More things are thrown at the hapless male, who starts to recite Martin Luther King Juniors.’I have a dream’ speech, as he continues to push his trolley around the shop, to the accompaniment of more sounds of destruction – tins to the floor, things being grabbed as they go past displays etc, etc, etc.

It eventually transpires that the mayhem, destruction and hysterical screaming are emanating from a 2-3 year-old toddler (the hapless-one’s daughter) in the child-seat of the super-market trolley – a delightful little miss who is utterly out of control does what she wants to and is not under any form of discipline at all.

The father of course is not able to administer any discipline on the little darling – he’d get prosecuted, so while he is being abused by the 3-year old in the trolley in front of him, he continues to recite the ‘I have a dream’ speech in its entirety – almost in tears and knowing full well that he can do absolutely nothing to change what is going on in front of him!! He daren’t do the obvious (apply a bit of discipline) and so must endure what is being dished-out to him. He is also painfully aware that he while can do nothing to change things in the present, equally, sadly, nothing is going to change in the future – a realisation reflected in his eyes and face as he reaches the end of his recitation of the ‘dream’ speech.

It is, in essence a very, very, very sad little advertisement!

In the knowledge that TV advertisements frequently tend to reflect the society they are part of, this particular advertisement is a definite reflection of the consequences of both the demonization and emasculation of fathers in New Zealand, under Dear Leader and her fellow-travellers, and also the consequences of Komerade Sue’s infamous legislation.

If you can get to see it , try to do so – it’s ‘New Zealand the way we wanted it’ – and the New Zealand we’ve got as a result of the socialists hold on education since ‘Tomorrow’s schools’.

Look at it, wonder why we’re where we are – and remember that the generation encapsulated by the hysterical, uncontrollable little lady in the trolley is the one which is going to be running the country in some 25 or so years time.

Its the face of the future folks – and a reflection of the genie the liberals and the socialists have released. The self-same socialists and liberals who are of course not prepared to accept any responsibility for what they have done and who continue to belive that ‘rights’ are above responsbility

There are going to be interesting times ahead. . .
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December 14, 2009 11:13am
Colonel Masters

The ODT article does not seem to be spooking the punters too much though, over half in their online poll are “not worried at all”.
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December 14, 2009 11:20am
Pete George

The father of course is not able to administer any discipline on the little darling ….

It is, in essence a very, very, very sad little advertisement!

I think it is very sad that you seem to think whacking is the only way to sort things out.
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December 14, 2009 11:23am
Sonny Blount

Pete, I’m bored, you are simply a tiresome troll.

I know you will continue to ignore the actual data and simply focus of the rambling conjecture of the scare mongers.
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December 14, 2009 11:25am
Redbaiter

“Pete, I’m bored, you are simply a tiresome troll.”

One of the truest things ever said on Kiwiblog. (Dunno what draws these screaming leftist wankers here.)
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December 14, 2009 11:39am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

I have to agree with Sonny, Pete, you’re a twat. Welcome to my RIP, I can’t be bothered with your nonsense anymore. You and Philu can compare notes.
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December 14, 2009 11:43am
petal

“Sarah Palin – Going Rogue”

I’ll read if she reads it.
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December 14, 2009 11:47am
Fletch

ps, further on from my slow browsing problems on this site (using dialup) I have fixed it by using a new browser.
I am using SRWare’s Iron browser (which is essentially Google’s Chrome browser with the privacy problems removed), and an adblock.ini file that you put in Iron’s directory. (Chrome won’t block ads yet). It’s blazingly fast!

So basically, you download Iron from here: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
Download fanboy’s adblock.ini from here: http://www.srware.net/downloads/adblock.ini
Replace the adblock.ini that’s already in the SRWare directory, restart the browser and you’re ready to go!

As I said, it loads this site blazingly fast; in fact it’s way faster than Firefox as a whole. Bleeding edge stuff. I’d switch completely if it weren’t for the FF extensions I always use.
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December 14, 2009 11:47am
lofty

Yeah you do red, you know why the trolls come here, same as I do.

They seek to discredit the truism that personal life endeavour will always deliver a better society than communal endeavour.

The lazy and dependant will always seek to discredit personal endeavour, as if they don’t they themselves may have to join the ranks of acheivers (God forbid)

Far better to expouse the communal message of wealth distribuition and then steal (sorry redistribute) yours and my hard earned wealth to those who can but wont (why would they?)
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December 14, 2009 11:53am
big bruv

Yahoo!!!

Guptill…….Yes, Martin Guptill…. takes a wicket in the first over of the day
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December 14, 2009 12:03pm
Pete George

Intoxicated by power, Blair tricked us into war

It is now very difficult to avoid the conclusion that Tony Blair engaged in an alarming subterfuge with his partner George Bush and went on to mislead and cajole the British people into a deadly war they had made perfectly clear they didn’t want, and on a basis that it’s increasingly hard to believe even he found truly credible.

Ken Macdonald QC (practises at Matrix Chambers and is a visiting professor of law at the London School of Economics. He was Director of Public Prosecutions, 2003-2008)
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December 14, 2009 12:06pm
philu

“..The Monday dailies are so light and boring ..”

whoar is never ‘so light and boring’..25 stories/links today..so far…

(all having met the required high-standards..)

and when the media closes down for christmas/new year..?

i don’t..

remember that when you’re at the beach..

eh..?

it’s all just a whoar away..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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December 14, 2009 12:07pm
joe90

Guptill…….Yes, Martin Guptill…. takes a wicket in the first over of the day

How many overs has he bowled at test level BB?
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December 14, 2009 12:12pm
philu

“..They seek to discredit the truism that personal life endeavour will always deliver a better society ..”

it that that freemarket thingy..?..that we have ‘tried’ for the last few decades..?

didn’t you hear..?

that hasn’t worked out so well..didn’tyaknow..?

and the external threats..(the harvest from those decades of greed/pollution..seems to dictate more ‘communal’ solutions/schema..eh..?

you really are a man out of step with the/these times..?

eh lofty..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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December 14, 2009 12:12pm
Johnboy

Stop press: Since Tolley became Education Minister the ‘Standard’ of education has improved immensely.

lPrent has learned to spell. ‘Formenting’ has become ‘Fomenting’. Well done young Lynn. Keep up the good work. 🙂
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December 14, 2009 12:16pm
lofty

Good on you phil, we have not had a “FREE” market in my life time.

But in answer to your question, no it is not all about a free market thingie, it is more about us being the best we can be, and having the mechanisms in place to assist us to get there.

Yes greed and pollution are issues, human nature being what it is, communisim is littered with greedy dictators and their ilk, as you are well aware. Fortunately for all of us free marketeers are in the main not so, and are happy to redistribute their wealth in return for honest endeavour.
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December 14, 2009 12:20pm
Pete George

How many overs has he bowled at test level?

Yesterday was the first time he has bowled in a test (7th test). He has bowled 20 first-class overs at 1-80.
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December 14, 2009 12:21pm
Chris C

Redbaiter (8130) Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am

“Pete, I’m bored, you are simply a tiresome troll.”

One of the truest things ever said on Kiwiblog. (Dunno what draws these screaming leftist wankers here.)

It’s you. You’re funny. You could rake it in if you’d hire out the Vector and just stand there saying the things you say every day on Kiwiblog.

So yeah. It’s your fault.
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December 14, 2009 12:22pm
Inventory2

Guptill strikes again – maybe Dan Vettori really DOES walk on water 🙂
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December 14, 2009 12:24pm
big bruv

And Guptill takes his second wicket…….
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December 14, 2009 12:24pm
Inventory2

Watching or listening big bruv?
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December 14, 2009 12:34pm
joe90

Thanks Pete.

And Guptill takes his second wicket…….

Marvelous.
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December 14, 2009 12:55pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

With regard to Pete – Is it possible to be a troll on a General Debate thread???

Komata – that sounds like one lame ad. Next time I’m at the supermarket and a father is having sauce and mayo thrown at him while he just keeps walking and lets it happen… I’ll give him a pat on the back in sympathy
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December 14, 2009 1:02pm
stephen

With regard to Pete – Is it possible to be a troll on a General Debate thread???,

SGTH is obviously a very delicate little petal.
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December 14, 2009 1:50pm
big bruv

IV2

Live streaming on http://www.skysport.co.nz
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December 14, 2009 1:54pm
Inventory2

Cheers for the link big bruv – I’ve been listening to RadioSport online, but with my new widescreen monitor, the visual option has a certain appeal 🙂
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December 14, 2009 2:05pm
stephen

…the visual option has a certain appeal

For those with their backs to a wall it does.
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December 14, 2009 2:36pm
Chris C

The Economist talks about the current oil field auctions being held by the Iraqi government:

“On Friday Royal Dutch Shell, in partnership with Malaysia’s Petronas, won the right to develop Majnoon, one of the world’s biggest untapped oilfields. CNPC, China’s largest oil and gas producer, with Petronas and France’s Total were also awarded a contract to extract oil from Halfaya beating off competition from other European, American and Asian oil companies. On Saturday Russia’s Lukoil and Norway’s Statoil got there hands on the biggets prze on offer, West Qurna-2. Although several of the fields under the hammer on Friday and Saturday failed to find buyers this latest auction of Iraq’s oil is already more successful than the previous effort.

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The Majnoon field produces just 46,000 b/d at the moment but Shell has pledge to increase output to 1.8m b/d. Shell’s winning bid guarantees it a fee of just $1.39 a barrel. But it and the 44 other oil companies taking part in the auction must hope that getting a foot in the door will help when Iraq needs help later to develop other oil fields.”
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December 14, 2009 2:45pm
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Yeah Stephen I am a delicate little petal, I have no time for fuckwits and idiots. Which group do you fall into?
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December 14, 2009 3:48pm
Fisiani

I see that the Director of AVATAR James Cameron has confirmed that the movie is indeed an allegory of the US policy in Iraq as I pointed out on this blog 2 months ago. Watch it with this in mind. It will add a richness to the sci-fi aspect. Or just take it as a literal popcorn movie with no deeper message……..
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December 14, 2009 4:04pm
backster

JACK5………Has the bearded reporter been able to report how the Kaumatua are effecting the outcome.
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December 14, 2009 4:14pm
Redbaiter

John Key has agreed to fly the separatist flag from government buildings on Waitangi day.

Nothing has made me feel more contempt for this shallow opportunistic stand for nothing coward. If only the voters who went to National last election had known what a two faced shyster they were voting for.
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December 14, 2009 4:31pm
Yvette

Misleading the masses
“… and the “experts” were either mistaken or making it up. – and wrong again, the experts who knew most about it (Hans Blix and the UN weapons inspectors) were right and were ignored or overidden.”

Roughly what I was alluding to – the American public [as shown by polls] believed there were WMDs – here in New Zealand I don’t think we were taken in.
So now it seems a majority are convinced CO2 is the major problem and ETSs the solution, and some of us wonder if Milankovitch cycles of the earth’s orbit with CO2, sun ray penetration and ice sheet dynamics may be nearer the truth, as oil and fucking Texas arrogance have been in the past.
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December 14, 2009 4:35pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (8133) Says:

December 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
John Key has agreed to fly the separatist flag from government buildings on Waitangi day.

Nothing has made me feel more contempt for this shallow opportunistic stand for nothing coward. If only the voters who went to National last election had known what a two faced shyster they were voting for.

Some of us didn’t vote Notional BECAUSE we saw jonkey as a two faced shyster. Why did YOU vote Notional?
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December 14, 2009 4:51pm
Ryan Sproull

I see that the Director of AVATAR James Cameron has confirmed that the movie is indeed an allegory of the US policy in Iraq as I pointed out on this blog 2 months ago. Watch it with this in mind. It will add a richness to the sci-fi aspect. Or just take it as a literal popcorn movie with no deeper message……..

I understand that people are already calling it Dancing with Aliens.
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December 14, 2009 5:04pm
Hurf Durf

The moderate centre left holds AGW very close to his heart. Presumably he has many shares in the “gween energy” industry he doesn’t want to see collapse.
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December 14, 2009 5:06pm
Ryan Sproull

I understand that people are already calling it Dancing with Aliens.

Sorry, that should be: Dances With Aliens.
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December 14, 2009 5:09pm
Repton

New experiment: automatically ignore all posts on climate change and islam. [Will there be anything left of General Debate?]
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December 14, 2009 5:39pm
Ryan Sproull

New experiment: automatically ignore all posts on climate change and islam. [Will there be anything left of General Debate?]

I bet you three smacks of a kid there would.
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December 14, 2009 6:14pm
Pete George

I’ll raise you a Hone, two Christian hypocrites and three solo mothers.
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December 14, 2009 6:19pm
billyborker

This article is a must read.

Two Flags, Two Peoples, A Divided Nation

Racism is alive and well in New Zealand. That is, anti-white racism of the sort recently made public by a Member of Parliament. In claiming that ‘Whities’ had been ripping off Maori for centuries, MP Hone Harawira exposed the underlying attitude that drives the Maori sovereignty movement – along with its beneficiaries the Treaty of Waitangi gravy train and indeed the Maori Party itself. This undercurrent of anti-white racism has existed for years but remains one of those truths that most are reluctant to admit and that few have the courage to address.

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Incredibly, John Key has now embraced the party that believes that white man should be kicked out of New Zealand, and under John Key’s direction National is now assisting Maori to advance its racial agenda.

Read the whole article at http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0912/S00183.htm

Other than clinging to the baubles of power, why is Key so keen to lie down, roll over, and take it up the poop chute from these racist bastards?
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December 14, 2009 6:33pm
malcolm

Other than clinging to the baubles of power, why is Key so keen to lie down, roll over, and take it up the poop chute from these racist bastards?

Because he lacks principles and vision.

He’s a short-term, fast-money man who only thinks as far as the next bonus or the next election. He has no vision for NZ. He has shown that by pooh-poohing the 2025 report and he will shortly do the same to the tax review.

He is John Keyless. He is John Principleless. And he is John Visionless.

He might be the nicest bloke in the world, but right now NZ needs a lot more from it’s PM.
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December 14, 2009 7:13pm
Steve

Geeze what is happening?
billyborker gets positive k from me.
Mr Key has been emailed about having to whistle for my vote next Election, yep I am in his Electorate and he will know come campain time.
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December 14, 2009 7:15pm
malcolm

Mr Key has been emailed about having to whistle for my vote next Election, yep I am in his Electorate and he will know come campain time.

He won’t care. He’ll be No.1 on the list. And who else are you going to give your party vote to? ACT is OK for John. He’s got them played off against the Maori Party so all is honky-dory.
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December 14, 2009 7:24pm
Hurf Durf

Hey, remember when Newsweek wasn’t hawking left-wing crap 90% of the time? Oh wait, that’s never happened.
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December 14, 2009 8:00pm
Steve

Malcolm,
I know he won’t care.
There are 122 of the bastards who won’t care
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December 14, 2009 8:26pm
Johnboy

I have been thinking of changing my name from Johnboy to something more likable like Johntwofaced or Johnslimeylittleshitbag or Johnpromiseanythingdonothingforavote. Any ideas folks?
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December 14, 2009 8:30pm
Johnboy

Just been to the Stranded look what rocky the ridiculous has posted:

“The life of a dairy cow in New Zealand is already far from ideal. Cows are made pregnant every year until they are determined to be not producing enough milk. They are then surplus to requirements and shipped off to the slaughterhouse. Every year a dairy cow has her baby stolen from her just 2 days after giving birth and is then forced to give far more milk for humans than she would give her own baby. As with a human mother, the more she is milked, the more milk she produces. Individual cows in New Zealand are already forced to produce up to 50 litres of milk per day.”

“Made pregnant”–“Baby stolen”– What fucken planet do dumb socialist greenies come from??
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December 14, 2009 8:41pm
Hurf Durf

Lefties like to anthopogenise animals because it makes their emotional case for animal rights stronger (there is no logical or rational case, so they can’t really do that for long). It’s also why a lot of lefties are furry weirdoes.
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December 14, 2009 9:13pm
pentwig

@ Hurf

Ergo the phool!!
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December 14, 2009 9:19pm
Johnboy

“Oordle ardle wardle doodle—-this is a stickup”!

phil the toker said.
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December 14, 2009 9:22pm
Ryan Sproull

Lefties like to anthopogenise animals because it makes their emotional case for animal rights stronger (there is no logical or rational case, so they can’t really do that for long). It’s also why a lot of lefties are furry weirdoes.

What are your thoughts on people killing their dogs for food, Hurf?
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December 14, 2009 9:45pm
malcolm

Malcolm, I know he won’t care.

Actually I take it back. Steve, good on you for emailing John Keyless. If more people did that then it might make a difference.
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December 14, 2009 9:50pm
billyborker

Hurf Durf (1147) Says:

December 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Hey, remember when Newsweek wasn’t hawking left-wing crap 90% of the time? Oh wait, that’s never happened.

That’s right Hurf, Global Cooling was another leftist conspiracy promoted by Newsweek. read it here.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
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December 14, 2009 9:56pm
philu

“..Any ideas folks?..”

how about just ‘john’..

(as in ‘toilet’..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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December 14, 2009 10:36pm
Hurf Durf

What are your thoughts on people killing their dogs for food, Hurf?

I’d try it on a barbeque.
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December 15, 2009 12:50am
Viking2

So Maurice (what leaky homes ) Williamson continues to procrastinate.
One is left wondering why he doesn’t use his airline ticket to travel to Tauranga and ask Bob the Builder what to do. Bob set it all out two years ago.

Leaky home solution unlikely this year
By JOHN HARTEVELT – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 15/12/2009

The Government has blown its own deadline for a solution to the leaky homes fiasco and is refusing to tell victims the scope of the problem.

In a letter written late last month, Suzanne Townsend, a deputy chief executive of the Building and Housing Department, says a solution was planned for release before the end of the year.

The letter, to a victim of the crisis, says once the Government had decided on a solution, a report describing the extent of the problem will be publicly released.

“I cannot give you an exact date … but it is currently planned to be before the end of this year,” the letter, dated November 23, states.

The Cabinet meets for the last time this year on Thursday, making an announcement before the end of the year highly unlikely.

A report on leaky buildings, prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers, is believed to put the total cost of an estimated 80,000 leaky homes at $11.5 billion. The Government has repeatedly said since August that its release was imminent.

In her letter, Mrs Townsend states: “The department’s view is that release of information about the work being done … in isolation from a proposed solution may cause homeowners undue concern, stress and worry.”

The letter says media speculation on what the policy issues and options were was to blame for the worry caused to leaky-home owners.

Home Owners and Buyers Association president John Gray said Building and Construction Minister Maurice Williamson had “thrown the toys out of the cot” over negotiations. “Williamson has failed to respond to emails sent directly to him asking for some further information.”

Victims had been expecting a solution in August or September. “They’ve given false hope to people. We’ve got people who are still hanging on to any thread of hope that the Government will come up with a rescue package.”

It was revealed earlier this month that a six-party local government team consulting with Mr Williamson had been trimmed to include only the mayors of Wellington and Auckland.

“To do a deal behind closed doors … without consulting with the majority of owners currently affected is just simply wrong,” Mr Gray said. “Sitting on the PWC report is, in my view, totally dishonest.”

North Shore City Mayor Andrew Williams led a unilateral approach to Prime Minister John Key over the issue last week.

Yesterday, Mr Williams said the Government had refused to release documents of public interest. Given the end-of-the-year working deadline, he expected a response from Mr Key in the near future.
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Mr Williamson has declined to comment. That’s because he now consults Kerry and John. (Banks that is.) Neither of whom is an representative of leaky home owners but represent councils with fault as large as the Govt.s.
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December 15, 2009 6:26am
Viking2

Steven Joyce for PM.

Green light for $1b Gully route
By KERRY WILLIAMSON – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 15/12/2009

Transmission Gully is expected to get the green light from the Government today as part of a $2 billion upgrade of State Highway 1 from Levin to Wellington Airport.

An announcement will be made at midday by Transport Minister Steven Joyce, who is likely to approve the Gully project as well as a Kapiti expressway, improvements around the Basin Reserve and new Wellington tunnels.

The entire Transmission Gully project will have a price tag of about $2 billion. The latest cost for the new highway was pegged at $1.025b.

It is the first time it has been given the go-ahead with funding in place. It should be completed within a decade.

“It is a sensible decision,” said Fran Wilde,
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December 15, 2009 6:33am
Brian Harmer

I hope that for Transmission Gully, they will use the same brilliant project manager (a young woman, I believe) who did the upgrade of SH2 from Korokoro through the Dowse Drive interchange. As far as I can see, it came in on time and budget and motorists were scarcely inconvenienced at all. Superb job.
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December 15, 2009 7:36am
lofty

I see the whale has posted that 2 detectives turned up for a chat, he has to go to the cop shop at 9…..wonder what that is all about?
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December 15, 2009 8:15am
malcolm

The Grammar Police?
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